The UK : a world beating embarrassment

The bloviating man-child Boris Johnson, has gone full Trump over the preliminary findings of the Parliamentary Privileges Committee, which has reported that there is credible evidence that the former Prime Law-breaker misled Parliament on at least four different occasions, and in the process demonstrated that he can indeed drag the tattered credibility of the standards of behaviour in public office to even lower depths. Johnson and his supporters – and quite remarkably he still has supporters are now trying to discredit the Parliamentary committee by claiming that it’s all a Labour stitch up because senior Civil Servant Sue Gray, who conducted the original investigations into the series of lock down busting parties held at Number Ten Downing Street during the height of the pandemic, has accepted a post as Keir Starmer’s chief of staff. Johnson’s supporters are now taking to G Beebies News to claim that Sue Gray was not independent and that partygate was all a Labour conspiracy to ‘bring down Boris’ and that there has been nothing in the story all along. There is no law or precedent to stop civil servants going to work for a political party – David Frost was a civil servant too, and Johnson gave him a peerage and made him a government minister. The same Conservative apologists who are now clutching their pearls about Sue Gray had no issue with that at all.

Johnson and his delusional supporters now want to make this a story about the alleged ‘constitutional impropriety’ of Sue Gray and the Labour party rather than the fact that the Parliamentary Privileges Committee has reached some damning conclusions about Johnson, including stating that it beggars belief that Johnson did not know that the parties in Downing Street were a flagrant breach of the lockdown rules in force at the time. Yet for all their whining and greetin faces, none of Johnson’s supporters has identified any part of the Sue Gray report as inaccurate. Johnson held parties during lockdown, he got found out, he was fined by the police, he lied repeatedly about it, and he still refuses to take responsibility.

However it is worth bearing in mind that Sue Gray played no role in uncovering partygate, it was the press which broke the story. Sue Gray was only called in to investigate after the allegations had been dominating the news agenda for days and one damaging photo and story after another was being published in the media. Gray’s was not the first investigation to conclude – that was the Met police who found PM broke the law. Or are we to believe that the police are also party to Keir Starmer’s evil plan? It’s also important to remember that Sue Gray’ report played no role in Johnson’s departure. He brazened her report out even though her findings were backed up by the police who handed out 126 fines, including fines that had to be paid by Johnson and by then chancellor and current Prime Minister Rishi Sunak. It was Johnson’s mishandling of the Pincher scandal that finally caused 57 Conservative ministers to resign, setting in motion a train of events that gave us the disastrous premiership of Liz Truss, followed within weeks by her being turfed out and Sunak, the man who had just lost a leadership contest in his own party, being anointed as Prime Minister. Yet now those same Conservatives see fit to lecture us all on constitutional propriety. That’s like Harold Shipman lecturing us on the care of the elderly.

But for Starmer to announce this week that he’s offered Gray a job was a massive own goal which has only bolstered Boris Johnson just when we thought that the abandoned mattress of British politics had been finally been consigned to the dumpster fire of ignominy where he rightfully belongs. But now we have an outbreak of faux outrage from the Johnsonettes because they think it’s a way back for him to become PM again, using the classic Trump whinging line of “it was a witch hunt”, “It’s fake news.”

Giving further proof of his unfitness for the position of whelk stall manager, never mind Prime Minister, in his long delayed resignation (dis)honours list Johnson is reportedly seeking a knighthood for his father Stanley Johnson, presumably for services to upper class middle class boorishness. Johnson Senior who has six children, and whose son has an indeterminate number of offspring once took to the airwaves to pontificate about how the ‘black and brown and yellow races’ have too many children. Stanley Johnson also took out French citizenship so that he could continue to enjoy the freedom of movement that his son was removing from the rest of us. He was also accused of inappropriately touching up Tory MP Caroline Noakes.

Johnson giving his father, whom Boris Johnson’s mother alleged was a violent and abusive husband who once broke her nose, is like a child giving its parent a grubby crayon scrawling which gets pinned to the fridge with a fridge magnet alongside the menu from the local Chinese takeaway. It might make Johnson Sr. very proud of his wee boy, but it is utterly meaningless trash to everyone else. All it achieves is the further debasement of an honours system which has already lost all credibility and completes it descent into rewards for cronyism. On the BBC’s Victoria Derbyshire show in 2019, the elder Johnson claimed in 2019 upon being told that a viewer had called his son Boris ‘Pinocchio’ retorted : “That requires a degree of literacy which I think the Great British public doesn’t necessarily have.” Be that as it may, Stanley, but we do have the requisite degree of literacy to spell W.if.e. B.e.a.t.e.r.

The honours system is nothing more than a means for British party leaders to reward their donors and supporters, it is state sponsored patronage which bears the same relationship to the recognition of true public service that Elon Musk’s subscription service blue tick on Twitter does to public notability. Anyone can get it if they pay enough to the right people.

On Tuesday the Conservatives unveiled another inhumane and cruel bill which heaps yet more misery on the desperate people attempting to cross the English Channel in small boats. The proposals, which aim to pander to the basest instincts of the Daily Mail, will strip those who cross the Channel in small boats of any right to asylum in the UK, and seeks to deport them to third countries, barring them of any right to enter the UK or ever to apply for British citizenship, the bill is almost certainly unlawful under the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and the extremists in the Tory party , which is most of them these days, have renewed their calls for the UK to exit the ECHR, joining such human rights abusing states as Russia and Belarus. In 2014 Scotland was urged to remain a part of the ‘world beating’ UK, but nine years on we see all too clearly that the UK is only world beating in being a disgrace and an international embarrassment.


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72 comments on “The UK : a world beating embarrassment

  1. Legerwood says:

    All sadly true yet there seems to be one name missing from this despicable saga and that is Hoyle, Mr Speaker. Where was he when Parliament was being trashed by Boris & Co?

    A more useless appendage to Parliamentary democracy would be difficult to find.

    As to the ‘honours’ system time to end it. A relic of a time gone by that never really existed other than in the whitewashed history of Empire.

  2. Dr Jim says:

    Yeah, but this is Scotland, so ferries
    Other countries have revolutions, we have *ats terrible at intit, sumdy need tae dae sumthin*

  3. Hamish100 says:

    Great article. As the tories move further to the right and labour follow suit we must ensure that in Scotland our social democratic and liberal outlook on life is not corrupted.

  4. Handandshrimp says:

    To be fair to Boris he is being just as blatantly outrageous as he has ever been. The suggestion of knighting his father being almost Wodehouse in its satirical caddishness.

    I bet he would still win in a run off between himself and Sunak with the Tory party faithful. UK politics is farce.

  5. Billy Watt says:

    Didn’t Sue Gray only get the investigation because Simon Case had been attending the parties himself and had to recuse?

  6. Hamish100 says:


    Westminster Christmas parties controversy[edit]
    Main article: Westminster lockdown parties controversy
    Case was the highest ranking public official to be implicated in the ‘partygate’ scandal; however, he stated he would not resign.[29]

    The Lockdown Files[edit]
    In early March 2023, The Daily Telegraph revealed a number of WhatsApp conversations during the UK’s COVID-19 Lockdowns. Case, who was in discussion with the then-Health Secretary Matt Hancock mocked holidaymakers stuck in hotel rooms by the UK’s quarantine policy, stating it was “hilarious” and how he wanted to “see some of the faces of people coming out of first class and into a Premier Inn shoe box”.[30]

    Personal life[edit]
    In 2007, Case married Elizabeth Kistruck, chief finance officer for at Expedia Inc. They have three daughters.[3]

    Worked for Prince William, Minister of Defence etc. Establishments man.

  7. Welsh_Siôn says:

    Ok, not very scientific, but if you wanna have a wee vote on this feel free. I think the vote is open to everybody, not just Scots (hence, I voted and got the message ‘You have a strong view’):

    27,849 VOTES
    Do you expect Scotland to seek independence from the UK again?

    Currently – YES 74 %, NO 19%

    (You need to scroll past the news story)

    • Dr Jim says:

      I couldn’t find it

    • Welsh_Siôn says:

      No, it’s not the petition – though if you want to sign that, go ahead.

      The LIVE POLL seems to have disappeared since I signed it @ 6.10pm and Dr. Jim’s not being able to find it 2 hours later.

      I’ve done a Google Search for it, and it doesn’t show up, either.

      I trust fellow Duggers know me well enough to know that I’m not misleading them on this.

      It was a ‘stand alone’ poll associated with Yahoo. (I’ve seen similar in the past with binary choices such as “Do you think Sunak is doing a good job as PM?”)

      Suspicious this disappearance, no?

      • Capella says:

        I think we can take that as a definite landslide for independence. That’s why it disappeared! Thanks for recording this WS

      • Welsh_Siôn says:

        Ah … ok. The latest “LIVE POLL” asks you how you would vote in a 2nd EU Referendum.

        I guess you just have to catch the poll that you want to reply to when it’s LIVE.

        (It’s below the news article I cited and features something that looks a little like a swingometer – you remember those? You have to guide the needle to your choice of answer.)

  8. grizebard says:

    Many southern Tories want to retreat even further into isolation from the civilised world in order to prevent their latest tawdry legislative bluff from being called, as it surely will be. But make no mistake, any withdrawal from the EHCR wouldn’t “merely” affect some desperate refugees, it would remove substantive protections from the increasingly-intrusive anti-democratic lurches of this morally-bankrupt dead-end London regime for every single one of us.

    Just chuck that on top of the large pile of other reasons why we have to get out of this threadbare shrunken end-of-days English Empire ASAP.

  9. P Harvey says:

    Not impressed with the FM debate tonight
    Doing the unionists media job for them

    • Dr Jim says:

      Indeed, I was never for it, stupid idea, didn’t want it, shouldn’t have happened and it’s resulted in exactly what I thought it would, pretendy journalists congratulating themselves on securing it and exaggerating what was said in it

      Already they’ve used adjectives like “savaged” and given Ponsonby the opportunity to pontificate his Liberal Democrat unionist credentials all over the place by stating that no candidate could show a route to independence, well of course they couldn’t, because we don’t live in a democracy do we, we live in the Russian state of England without the bombs

      Even if there were a direct route to independence, which there is, no SNP minister is going to blurt it out on STV parochialsville amateur night telly

    • Paddy Farrington says:

      The debate did bring some clarity, though. I shall be voting for the SNP candidate.

  10. Hamish100 says:

    Elsewhere Ash has a plan, A “cunning plan” it seems approved by someone’s mother who doesn’t support the snp.

    How lucky we are that britnats don’t have a vote.

  11. yesindyref2 says:

    I actually watched the debate, the first one.

    My wife saw some of it and thought 1. Regan, 2. Yousaf, 3. Forbes. She’s basically non-political.

    I thought Regan won the debating, Yousaf seemed to be doing the best but the after-taste might not be so sweet. The gloves were off. Best strategy was Forbes, and I have not the slightest intention of saying why.

  12. Hamish100 says:

    Regan won’t win despite the albanists and non snp commentators.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      As always you miss the point.

      Anyways, strategy is vital to achieve Independence.

      • Dr Jim says:

        Very comical indeed, Regan won the debate, good one, I laughed at that I have to admit, the woman struggles constantly trying to remember what Alex Salmond told her to say, and it shouldn’t even be that difficult for her, he said it all on the telly word for word the night before
        She’d collapse the party within a fortnight by bringing in Alex Salmond as an

        Yousaf would be a decent FM I’m sure, but honest? no, slippery? yes, devious? definitely, so probably fine as the keep the train steady on the track man

        Forbes has integrity honesty no fear and she surprised me by her muscle, if she makes FM there’ll be no dicking around, she’ll do what she says she will

        It all depends on what the members decide they want a FM to be

        • yesindyref2 says:

          I don’t disagree with you. But I think a lot comes down not to the immediate reaction, but what people think afterwards, and after talking to friends etc.

          I also think the SNP as a whole won – at last (apart from the GRRB vote), there’s been open, well, argument. Which means the idea that the SNP is a cult will have to be rethought! The media will be rubbing its hands and polishing up its splits. Good. They’re doing our job for us, they’re patsies.

          I thought the panel wasn’t bad, but missed perhaps the most important parts.

          Anyways, I enjoyed it, and I rarely watch political programs. Too slow usually 🙂

        • yesindyref2 says:

          It reminded me of Sturgeon in her debates with Moore and Carmichael, but somewhere in-between.

      • Alec Lomax says:

        Which won’t be achieved either by Alba and the non-SNP commentators.

  13. Capella says:

    For those who couldn’t watch the STV leader debate last night, perhaps because like me you don’t have a licence, here’s a link to the Youtube video. I’ll try not to embed it. I’ve watched the first 30 minutes and so far it’s been good. However, my twitter feed has a few “progressives” in uproar because some people dared to criticise the status quo. I agree with Kate. I think we need far more than “nearly 50%” demanding independence.

  14. I thought that the panel last night were quite superficial.They seemed to concentrate on sound bites from segments of conversation and missed the context. and essence of the argument.They seemed also to think that when candidates were asked to interview each other,that signalled disunity.Since the media constructed the process,candidates had little option other than to challenge each other.Of course there are different opinions about the way to go,but disagreement is not a bad thing,since it can result in creative thinking and solutions that move us forward.

    I dont agree with Ponsonby that no plan emerged for independence.There are diverse views about the way to go.The only thing that I am certain about is that Kate Forbes plan to introduce a costed vision of what an independent Scotland would look like 10 years after independence is essential to move the Yes vote beyond 48-50 per cent.As Kate pointed out,there is a need to link the constitutional argument to things that are important to people.I believe that this has not been done effectively so far.

  15. malcolmh says:

    I find it quite strange on here that some are suggesting in their comments that Nicola’s reign was not as good as we all thought it was.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Not at all, she was so good in fact that the English government were forced into becoming obvious Naz*s and showing their dictatorship credentials to the world by openly denying Scotland is a country by use of their Supreme law

      What she couldn’t do was make them democratic, that was kinda outwith her control

    • Tam the Bam says:

      I suppose it was only a matter of time before ‘Malcolm-in-the-Middle’ would pop his head over the parapet .

      • malcolmh says:

        Not at all. A month ago we were all looking forward to a de-facto election. Is that off the cards now?

        • Tam the Bam says:

          Your satnav seems to be malfunctioning again.
          You obviously took the wrong turning on departing Bath hoping to arrive in Albaland.

        • Dr Jim says:

          Why ask us here, we’re not politicians, ask Alex Salmond why he “lost” last time, is it because he wasn’t good enough? did he do a deal? were the English and Alistair Darling just toooo smart for him? we’ll never know will we

          Unfortunately our Arses just aren’t smart enough

          • malcolmh says:

            Ole well. all I want to see is an independent Scotland run by a left of centre SNP putting forward socially progressive policies as they have done in the past.

            • Dr Jim says:

              We all do, but something has to change with regards to buckling for every tiny minority focus group that keeps making a lot of noise and blackmailing the government into doing what they want all the time

              Equality is for all, not more for some than others, there’s been a little too much of that for a while, understandably of course because some groups have needed to catch up, but they cannot be allowed to set their agenda’s anymore using the media to expand their arguments in the same way the opposition does

              It’s time to set the financial business of governing Scotland towards the goal of independence, without that firm base we’re just wallowing and reacting to things being done to us instead of setting our own agenda and moving forward

              With no help from the media we must prove to Scotland that England is a right wing shithole best left behind to its own devices

  16. Dr Jim says:

    What Humza Yousaf was saying last night but dodging the use of the right words to say it is the United Kingdom brand is English, created by England and dictated by England, their law is the only law and thou shalt not question the supreme authority which is England

    That’s why no candidate for FM of Scotland can even try to announce any initiative using democracy to gain Scotland’s rights to choose its own destiny

    Ash Regan is I’m afraid talking out of the hole in Alex Salmond’s face by just repeating that they will cave in because, it won’t happen, because England is the law and refer to answer one

    Kate Forbes is correct, the only way to force England to capitulate is by embarrassment of numbers demanding Independence and making the rest of the world sit up and pay attention to England’s dictatorial behaviour, and her way is to reorganise the economy in such a way as to show that with independence Scotland can be so much more than it is
    Now it might not work, because nobody can see the future, but she’s nevertheless right that up until now it hasn’t worked using the methods we have been using

    So far our government in Scotland has been forced to play England’s game with their ball their officials and their pitch, then mitigate the amount of goals we lose by playing all defenders, leaving Scotland unable to deploy any strikers to give us even half a chance of a draw

    It’s the only way of the two ways in which to bring about attention to England’s dictatorship, which btw even Gary Lineker now likens them to 1930s Germany

    The other way is the Irish way and what that leads to, take your pick
    Personally I don’t mind either way, I detest what the English government is and always have, but we don’t get allowed to pick do we, they just pretend we have a say then outvote us ten to one, nothing equal about that is there

    • Golfnut says:

      Their baw, their law, their Supreme court and their Parliament and the only way to deal with that is kick their baw and all the rest oot the park, or in real terms into the international arena. Leaving via the 1707 Treaty of Union busts their baw.

  17. Capella says:

    The economic argument is key. In this article Robin Thompson shows that GERS figures are irrelevant to the viability of an independent Scotland. He extends Doyle’s analysis for Wales to restate the outcome showing in fact a budget surplus for Scotland.

    Urban myth’ GERS figures debunked by Scottish economist’s research

    On hearing about the groundbreaking research, Robin Thompson – who had a career in economic development with various Scottish councils – applied Doyle’s methodology to GERS figures for the same year of 2018/19 in a bid to examine whether an independent Scotland would inherit the giant fiscal gap the UK Government often claims it would.

    The GERS [Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland] figures for 2018/19 suggested the deficit in Scotland was £12.6bn, or 7% of GDP, but Thompson concluded an independent Scotland could actually inherit a surplus of £2.7bn.

    GERS has been consistently criticised for only representing what Scotland’s economic situation is as part of the UK and gives no indication of what an independent Scotland would absorb.

    Even in what Thompson regards as the “worst-case scenario” – where Scotland had to pay 100% of pension costs – he concluded the deficit would still only be £6.3bn or 3.4% of GDP.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      The aspect which grinds my gears most over “fiscal-gap” is the misconception that money mysteriously vanishes to some far off tax-haven a la Michelle Mone, the Tory exception rather than the rule.

      From Thatcher’s “Good Grantham housewife” con of governments having the same constraints as would a family budget, to Ian Lang’s concept of dissuading a Holyrood Parliament reworked as GERS, it was as ever lies to imply folks were living beyond their means, a gambit still exploited today by reprobate MPs Gullis, 30p Lee, and most noticeably unelected HMS James Cook.

      The “national debt” goes all the way to how much gold England had in the 12th century, and has been graphed as such on one of Richard Murphy’s previous blog posts.
      Only in the aftermath of WW2 did the “national debt” have any reality – GB Inc had borrowed to the hilt from foreign investors and had to pay it back, yet note the distinction of who owed whom.

      Today HMG owes HMG megabucks apparently, yep, to themselves – Subsequently weaponised to imply everyone is living beyond their means despite barely managing to survive in the consistent drive toward their destitution.

      Can an Independent Scotland do better than an a 1,400 year old con ?
      Hell yeah…

      • Capella says:

        Robin Thompson has raised this research with Ivan McKee with a view to asking Professor Doyle to do a similar report for Scotland. I think he’s asked the right person.

      • Capella says:

        BTW there’s an interesting comment btl which spells out a different approach. I hope the commenteer doesn’t mind if I quote a section:

        What is the answer? To ignore GERS altogether. At best GERS are only partially factual, a lot of it is guesswork. How should the block grant be managed? It shouldn’t. The Scottish government should be allowed to decide what it wants to do, what resources it needs to employ for the services it has to maintain, for the infrastructure it wants to improve. The Scottish Government should be allowed to manage these things and then to spend as it sees fit on such things by directly drawing on the Consolidated Fund using the provisions of the 1866 Exchequer and Audit Departments Act, treating Scotland as a currency issuer just like Westminster.
        Once the money system is understood for what it is, and how government spending is not dependent on taxes and borrowing, and that a currency issuer does not have to “balance the books”, it completely blows away any argument centred around GERS and Barnett.

        You can’t access the comments via the archive version.

  18. Izzie says:

    I am concerned about the grassroots choice versus the hierarchy choice. If Forbes wins will what happened to Labour under Corbyn be repeated.

    • Dr Jim says:

      I think if Kate Forbes wins the party will accept it as the democratic choice and move on, if there are some that don’t then they’re not very democratic and exactly like Labour and will either be moved on out or not afforded the next opportunity to stand for the SNP, that’s the way it should be in a proper democratic political party
      The SNP are not Labour or the Tories thank goodness, so not likely there’ll be any shenanigans (except from the candidate who comes last that is)

      I personally like the idea of a new young fresh approach, I remember when Estonia achieved its independence and the entire government was under 30 years of age, I believe the top job was around 26 years, and look at them now, booming

      Kate Forbes has no fear of the English UK government, I don’t think that young woman fears anything in fact

      That’s the folk I want running stuff, let’s face it we could be doing with a bit of boldness now, what have we got to lose

    • keaton says:

      Kate Forbes is much more part of the party establishment than Corbyn was, so I wouldn’t expect anything like the same kind of constant undermining of her leadership. But I’ve been surprised at the paucity of support from MSPs for her. Not a single ministerial endorsement. Going to be a bit of a clear-out if she wins.

  19. yesindyref2 says:

    Okay. From the National:

    Toni Giugliano has criticised her tactics … Another activist, who is also supporting Yousaf, told The National his jaw was “just about on the floor” listening to Forbes’s attack on the SNP’s record in Government. … Shona Robison, who is supporting Yousaf, said …

    Ah, so three biased activists criticise Forbes. Cool.

    Congrats at least to the National for putting its wild and exaggerated headline “SNP activists say ‘damage done’ to party after first TV debate” in context in the article itself. There were three, all Yousaf supporters.

    “Yousaf supporters support Yousaf”. Who’d have thunk it?

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Actually, to be fair, as I said elsewhere it’s good to see such enthusiasm and indeed, robust debate.

      Unionists are like “Help me, Rona”. And no wonder.

  20. Skintybroko says:

    Disappointed in Kate last night, she knows full well the straight jacket any SG Minister is in in terms of what they can do financially and they don’t drive the trains, make the schedules, train the police or manage the health service – they are there to try and assist to move things on. Yes the unionists make hay out of waiting lists, poorly run services etc but that’s more down to the people managing than at ministerial level – if she wants to speak to truth then acknowledge the real issues not the pretendy unionist ones. Humza even gave her an ideal opportunity to speak to the LGBTQ+ membership and frankly she didn’t come across as supportive. In her own way she is also in a minority group so should maybe reflect on that. Everyone is entitled to their views, all I am looking for is acceptance and respect for another’s point of view where it is neither dishonest or illegal. Not really getting that vibe from Kate. To me Ash doesn’t come across as a leader and Humza is the continuity candidate.

    • grizebard says:

      “the real issues”? – absolutely! Then sadly you veer off again into identity politics. It evidently features highly in your estimation, but it’s hardly bread-and-butter for the public-at-large, is it? As the Unionist media discovered when they tried to leverage it, first against Nicola then against Kate. From diametrically opposite positions besides!

      Maybe more convincing to build a case on something more substantive than oppositionalist “torches and pitchforks” posturing. As in the real “real issues”…?

  21. Skintybroko says:

    Not inspired by any of them so far

  22. Hamish100 says:

    What you say to a branch or constitutioncy is not the same as what should be said on television.

    Whoever agreed to the tv broadcasts is an idiot. Forbes was in the wrong.

    • Sad Old Pete says:

      I agree with you, but still think Kate is the best of a disappointing bunch.

      • Hamish100 says:

        Agree. Just disappointed that those advising didn’t do a better job.

        My main issue is over the tv entertainment show. It shouldn’t have happened.

        I’m going to a hustings on Saturday —— on second thoughts why don’t I just watch the tele and watch the hatchet job by the “impartial” commentators.

  23. Dr Jim says:

    Maybe we can superglue them altogether and try to make a new Nicola out of the three of them
    We can’t do that, so it’s going to be one of them who’s going to have to learn how to be a statesperson just like Nicola had to, while also remembering Nicola had many years of practice beforehand, then she stamped her style on it once she got the job
    It won’t be any different for the new FM and it won’t happen overnight

    We were used to two FMs who were well rehearsed and well practiced in everything they did over a long period of time, we can’t expect the new one to be that polished and switched on right away

    Humza has been a minister the longest and has been unexceptionally adequate in his performance but he did have the advantage of Nicola Sturgeon goalkeeping for him and still probably will for a while, but is that really good enough? depending on someone who needs his old boss to keep him right, she won’t and can’t be there forever, because the opposition will goad and ridicule him mercilessly if that’s the situation

    Ash Regan hasn’t a snowballs, we all know that, so the members will have to make the decision of do we change? or do we just depend on the Yes movement voting for us because we represent continuity and keeping the English political parties out of Scotland?
    I’ve heard lots of stuff from the so called minority groups and each one of them is issuing threats of desertion if they don’t have their demands met as they demand them, you see if that’s their behaviour before a vote is cast they can sod off the lot of them, because that in no way sounds like any kind of democracy I ever heard of, and not a jot different to the English UK government threats of denying Scotland our democracy if we don’t behave they way they order us to

    Humza said he was worried about Kate alienating groups of people, when what it sounds like is he’ll capitulate to whatever they demand as long as they stay please thanks very much we love you
    The government is supposed to work for all of us all of the time. not some of us first all of the time or else

    There are lots of voters out there who think Sarwar’s Labour and DRoss’s Tories are Scottish, which of our candidates is up to smacking them about the chops on a daily basis?

    I believe that person is Kate Forbes, the competent efficiency candidate
    Right that’s my campaigning over for today

    Ooh apart from this
    Did you know as well as Gaelic and English, Kate Forbes also speaks Hindi
    Rishi Sunak can only speak basic Hindi and that’s his own native language

    Ya gotta laugh

    • Eilidh says:

      It is not the Yes movement who predominantly votes for the Snp it is the ordinary electorate of which I am one voter. As it stands at the moment and I didn’t watch the debate if I was a member I would struggle to vote for any of the three of them

  24. Skintybroko says:

    Ash is no leader, she starts every comment with “I think” to be a leader you should know what you are going to do. So frustrated listening to the hustings so far, no runaway winner but Ash is currently an also ran as far as i am concerned- she needs to up her game and tell us what she will do rather than what she thinks she will do.

    • Dr Jim says:

      As soon as Ash Regan loses and returns to parliament she’ll publicly announce her defection to Alba, and I’ll bet 50pence on it
      Every word that Ash Regan said in that debate Alex Salmond said the night before, word for word
      It’s a two way contest for sure but the STV media wants Humza to win because they just accused Kate of being a Tory talking Douglas Ross’s script, now that’s what I call fear when the media launches themselves into total exaggeration mode
      You’d think the candidates were armed and dangerous to hear the media fulminate and froth at the mouth
      Whichever one wins the media are crossing their fingers hoping for a loser and an end to the SNP

      They’re ontae plums, no gonnae happen, we’ll have a winner and we’ll move onwards and upwards whoever it is

  25. grizebard says:

    Getting back to the article topic rather than obsessing endlessly over the entrails of the public SNP leader’s debate, a positive shout out here for Gary Lineker, who has evidently retained a functional moral compass, called a spade a spade and embarrassed a cowardly and ever-equivocating BBC. With our experience we have long known that the BBC is unfit for purpose, but it seems England is finally discovering this too.

    • Skintybroko says:

      Completely agree, a man of integrity amongst a group of charlatans

      • Eilidh says:

        Lineker having integrity-Not to the extend of him losing his terribly overpaid job for talking crap about fitba methinks.
        He will get a wee quiet warning and told to shut it with his opinions other than about fitba because he is BBC Borg and has long since been assimilated

    • scottish_skier says:

      I do like the guy and good on him.

  26. Hamish100 says:

    Yeh – a man of principles or selective ones and paid £1.35million by the bbc or licence payers last year.
    Also he has an Order of the British Empire which he holds onto.

    I await his retirement and becoming a labour candidate. Labour needs a few more millionaires to its ranks.

  27. Dr Jim says:

    As if by magic a poll has appeared showing the SNP and independence doomed
    but then not really

  28. Hamish100 says:

    You know dr Jim -we don’t comment on individual polls unless it suits the bbc , Mail, express, hootsmon, herald etc

  29. Michael Bell says:

    I would say “world-beating UK? Wife-beating, more like”, only it’s not actually funny.

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