The Tories can’t save a Union they want to abolish


north britainRuth Davidson, the erstwhile Saviour of the Union according to the British media, at least before she realised that her cosmetic exercise in putting some modern and tolerant drag on the reactionary and rotting body of the Scottish Tories had failed and she buggered off to the House of Lords before facing inevitable humiliation at the hands of the voters, has denied reports that she and her fellow failed politician the unreconstructed reactionary Arlene Foster of the DUP who like Ruth left politics to go and join the circus, in her case the right wing clowns of GBeebies News, are to join up and embark on a Save the Union tour.

It would have been the worst comeback since Sex in the City, more like Brass necks with no Pity. I wonder what it was about associating the cause of the Union with a dyed in the wool reactionary who is opposed to gay marriage and abortion rights and who is the darling of the Orange Order that made Ruth think that it was a bad idea? After all, this so called Union already a recipe for giving us the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson, who barring an unforeseen upset is about to be replaced by Liz Truss, a woman for whom there is as much chance of winning an election in Scotland as there is of Arlene Foster’s voter base kneeling before a statue of the Virgin Mary and praying for the well being of the Pope and a united Ireland. For the lesbian Ruth to go on tour with the gay marriage hating Arlene would not only be as implausible a double act as Cliff Richard and Slipknot, it would also serve as a reminder of how limited democracy really is under the Westminster system.

Davidson’s denial came after it was reported that Arlene Foster, who has recently launched a new “non party political Foundation” called the ‘Together UK Foundation’ which Foster claimed would “bring mainstream pro-Union voices from across the entire country to highlight the benefits that the Union brings to us all – mostly without us realising it.” The report also announced that Foster would “hit the road with the likes of Ruth and show people what the Union means.” In the case of Foster’s supporters it means bonfires, big drums, and sectarian songs about being up to your knees in Fenian blood. This would appear to be yet another of those well funded anti-independence initiatives which enjoy a suspiciously high profile in the media.

Being lectured on the benefits of the Union by Arlene Foster is like listening to Harold Shipman explain why there is no need to supervise GPs whose vulnerable and elderly patients change their wills in their doctor’s favour.

Ruth Davidson is scarcely in any position to lecture Scotland on the benefits of this supposed Union, a Union which her fellow unelected Conservative politician Lord Frost has determined doesn’t really exist. The demand for independence is above all driven by a desire for proper democracy in Scotland and governments which are elected by and accountable to the people of Scotland. As a member of the unelected House of Lords, Ruth Davidson epitomises the democratic deficit that Scotland faces as a part of the UK.

The other difficulty that Ruth and Arlene are going to have in “selling the union” is that some of their Brextremist Conservative colleagues, like Frost, want to abolish it and replace it with a unitary “single country” of which Scotland would be nothing more than a ‘region’ with no more modern political import than Mercia or Wessex. Frost, who is a prominent supporter of the Conservative front runner Liz Truss, has urged Truss to ban her ministers from referring to the UK as a union of four nations but rather to stress that the UK is a ‘single great country.’  Truss has herself denied that the UK is a voluntary union of nations but has likewise insisted that it is a ‘single great country’.

Naturally there has and will be zero consultation with the people of Scotland about this radical change in the conception of the nature of the UK. The decision that the UK is not in fact a partnership of four nations but instead a “single great country” is one which the Conservatives are making unilaterally and imposing on everyone else. The reason that they are doing so is because it allows the Tories to justify to themselves their wish to ignore the democratic choices of the people of Scotland because the people of Scotland persistently reject the Conservatives at the ballot box. It is beyond hypocrisy that the Conservatives constantly harp on about how the SNP must respect the result of the 2014 independence referendum but they have repeatedly shown that they have nothing but contempt for the result of every single election in Scotland since 2014.

However if Scotland is merely a region of a “single great country” then it doesn’t matter how Scotland votes any more than it matters how an English county or city votes. All that matters is that the Conservatives secure a majority in the House of Commons to allow them to impose their will across the entire UK. Liz Truss has already said that she will expect her policies to apply across ‘the entire country’. Truss is not going to let a little thing like the devolution settlement stand in her way. Nicola Sturgeon recently remarked that the Conservatives are coming for the devolution settlement, but it is far far worse than that. What the Tories want is for Scotland to be abolished as a meaningful political entity for the electoral and party political advantage of the Conservative party.

The Conservative antipathy to devolution is well known, because they mistakenly blame devolution for creating the desire for Scottish independence. In fact devolution was created in an attempt to contain the desire for Scottish independence by giving Scotland some means to protect itself from the excesses of a Conservative party that Scotland did not vote for. However devolution has failed because devolution has been unable to withstand a Conservative party which is determined to ignore the democratic choices of the people of Scotland and which refuses to accept that the referendum result of 2014 was conditional on the Better Together parties coming good on the promises that they made in order to win that No result which they so badly craved.

The Tories have decided that the 2014 result meant that Scotland surrendered for all eternity to whatever the majority party at Westminster decided to impose on it, up to and including the unilateral abolition of the conceptualisation of the United Kingdom as a voluntary partnership of nations. That is the road down which this Conservative party is taking us. It’s a road to the destruction of Scotland as a meaningful political entity and leaving Scotland as nothing more than a historic region of a “single country” with no more modern political relevance than Wessex or Mercia.

 

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333 comments on “The Tories can’t save a Union they want to abolish

  1. Aye, the Tories would love to wipe out Scotland as a political / legal entity, but in the end it would not matter if they passed a law legally abolishing Scotland, as it’s not Scotland that has the right to self-determination, but Scots; something I’ve always been keen to make sure people understand. A nation is not a land, but a people, and it is peoples who have the right to self-determine, not lands.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

    https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/international-covenant-civil-and-political-rights

    All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development…

    And the only legal requirement (in the absence of passports, citizenship etc) for recognition of a nation is the collective agreement (through personal self-identification) of a people that they are one. I am Scottish. We are Scottish. We are a people. We are a nation. No law can stop that. Put them in jail and they are still Scottish. Only option is ethnic cleansing, which is what that’s used to stop self-determination, such as what the UK did in the Chagos Islands.

    Handily, there was another country-wide exercise last year that asked everyone in Scotland what they considered their ethnicity* and national identity# (both of these being determined purely by self-identification, unless you are a racist), e.g. Scottish, British, English etc. From other surveys, and demographic trends, we can be rather confident that the number of self-identified Scottish (but not British) people, both in terms of their ethnicity* and national identity#, will be even higher than it was in 2011.

    If you want to convince the UN that Scots don’t have the right to self-determine, you need to successfully argue they are not a people. Good luck with that. Someone just needs to present the census results and your legal argument collapses instantly.


    *This is how someone feels about themselves based on parentage, while # this is how they feel when also taking into account life experience and attachment to peoples they’ve lived amongst.

    So someone might say they are ethnically e.g. Nigerian, but nationally identify as Scottish as they were born here of Nigerian parents, but for them Scotland is their home and Scots (also) their people. And lots do exactly this; English Scots for Yes is case in point!

  2. dakk says:

    Excellent Paul.

    It is not only the Conservative party who view UK as a single unitary state.

    The two Knights of the Realm who front the two British Opposition parties(Sir Keir Starmerand Sir Ed Davey) exhibit no discernable difference to the Tories in their cavalier attitude towards the democratic rights of the people of Scotland.

    • alexkashko says:

      If the Tories “abolish” the four nations then the SNP can campaign in England. If they then get a majority in Westminster they can declare Scotland Independent. If they are nice they will also work with Wales to declare Wales independent. And the Unionist cannot complain because it is a Westminster decision.

    • Azel says:

      In Sir Keir’s case one really feels it’s because Scotland dared to stop voting Labour

    • Azel says:

      In Sir Keir’s case one really feels it’s because Scotland dared to stop voting Labour… Of course, that spiteful reaction doesn’t take into account that it might well lose them their stronghold of Wales.

  3. UndeadShaun says:

    One to quote the next time Scotlands NHS is criticised..

    Ft “The NHS is being squeezed in a vice”

    The collapse of emergency healthcare in England may be costing 500 lives every week

    https://t.co/VTsPbc2ajH

  4. Iain R says:

    And yet there are still approximately 50% of people in Scotland who say they shall vote ‘No’. Or to put it another way, even with all this happening we can still not get ‘Yes’ above 50% in the polls.

    I can not understand these people, and with the bias in the media and all the infighting on the Yes side, things do not look great to me.

  5. Dr Jim says:

    Of course in Arlene Foster dinosaur world Ruth Davidson could not exist, a married Lesbian with a child is everything Foster and her ideology is opposed to, so it kinda shows you Ruth Davidsons preferences and priorities here that she prefers the company of an unevolved dinosaur drum banging flute whistling racist sectarian Catholic hating bigot to just about anybody in Scotland, I’m quite sure other LGBT folk will have observed this also

    As for the big plan to dissolve Scotland, it’s not new, since the SNP won everything politically in Scotland, the realisation for the *British* parties that they can no longer win rule again in Scotland has become as clear as day even though they constantly deny it to their supporters to give them some glimmer of hope that one day Labour will bounce back and trounce the dreaded SNP, It’ll never happen in anybody’s lifetime and they know it so crush Scotland is the next big move

    Now that *Get Brexit done* is done we move on to *Get Scotland dissolved*
    because that way will surely secure the love won’t it, have they learned nothing from Northern Ireland? well no, they haven’t because they think that worked out fine and dandy, and if they can crush Scotland then it’ll be Wales next and Northern Ireland will do a runner and reunite with the Republic, which is something the hierarchy of England will be delighted about anyway, although they will express their great sadness at Northern Irelands legal decision to take this path and subsequently congratulate them on Irelands independence day each following year

    All of this is known to every British politician both here in Scotland and in England though they will deny deny deny it just as they denied Brexit would ever happen, because as we all know Ruth Davidson David Mundell and a host of other so called Scottish politicians promised to resign if such a dastardly thing were ever perpetrated upon Scotland without our consent

    They’re all still here, and they’re all still lying

    Independence is not about the SNP folks, It’s about what England is going to do to our country, y’see if you don’t happen to like the current government in Scotland you can vote them out, and in an independent Scotland that choice will be possible, but in the new region of whatever England decides to designated Scotland as you will have Tory rule forever with no chance ever of voting them out because that will be the choice of the 55.5 million people of Englands choice to make, and Labour? well, is there really a difference? of course there isn’t, is there *Sir Kier*

  6. Bob Lamont says:

    Excellent.
    Might I suggest that the Arlene/Baronless ruse was dreamed up by Conservative HQ to use Foster as the patsy, giving the now largely ignored Baronless Ruth a punt of limelight in the media ?
    After all, the original story is attributed to the Sun, that utter bast..ion of democracy…

  7. JP58 says:

    You are correct when you say the failure to follow through on Better Together promises in 2014 have boosted support for another independence referendum. Brexit and how it’s implementation upon Scotland are another big factor.
    They maybe factors but not the reason why another independence referendum should be held – it is because the Scottish electorate have voted in a Parliament (under PR) with a majority of MSP’s voting for another referendum. The squabbling about actual numbers voting is irrelevant in a parliamentary democracy – all it shows is there is all to play for in the referendum when it takes place.
    If the UK is a voluntary union then the decision to leave is up to each individual nation in Union. 2014 independence & 2016 Brexit & 1975 EU votes established that this should be by a referendum with >50% of votes cast being the winner. Each nation should be able todecide to hold a vote if their own parliament votes to hold one during lifetime of parliament- this should apply equally to Scotland, Wales& NI and England can use Westminster excluding MP’s of other nations. This should apply to each term in each parliament and
    if the electorate of a country do not want a referendum they will not vote for parties who have it in their manifesto and campaigned to hold one during the election.
    This is the democratic way to address this issue and if it is not applied across UK we are not a voluntary union. Any amendments to this eg voting thresholds would require agreement of individual nations parliament to implement.
    It is that simple in a modern democracy.

  8. James Mills says:

    There is little DEMOCRACY evidenced in the utterances by the UK leadership of Tory , Labour or LibDumb when Scotland is the topic of discussion .

    Come to think of it , there is little knowledge of Scotland exhibited by any of these ”leaders” which tends to suggest that their scripts are being written by a roomful of monkeys with typewriters ( just after writing Shakespeare’s canon of plays ) .

    This ignorance extends to the ”Scottish” Labour millionaire champion of the bin-men
    ( but not the Edinburgh ones ! ) Sarwar , DRoss ( pat. pending ! ) currently appearing at The Fringe in a re-make of The Man Who Knew Too Little , the tailor’s dummy that presently inhabits the ”Scottish” Libdem spokesman , Alec ”Go f*ck yourself ” Coal-Scuttle , and the massed ranks of BBCScotlandshire who have signed up to the Tory’s ”Levelling Scotland Down ” agenda .

    Scotland can look forward to dropping Flower of Scotland as an anthem and adopting the old D:Ream hit ”Things can only get FAR WORSE !” as we breathlessly await the result of the longest leadership contest in the history of Mankind .

    Despite the tiny electorate this contest has been so long that each Tory voter could have had a personal audience with each candidate at home and still knocked half the time off that these two are expending on a foregone conclusion .
    The contest is so mind-numbing that one of the ”debates” had to be called off as the presenter fainted through sheer , overwhelming boredom .

    So , Truss , the ”hand grenade ”( according to Dominic Cummings ) will win – so the ”country” loses – or explodes !
    On the one hand she probably knows where Paisley is on a map , while the ”man of the people ” Rich! Cynic has as much knowledge of Scotland as the Channel 4 Scottish correspondent .
    On the other , she knows where Paisley is on a map and that is as much as she knows about Scotland – still , quite a lot more than Keir Starmer !

    She together with Rich! knows what the Scottish people want . They never stopped telling us when they were in Perth ( or North Darlington if you were Rich! ) that the Scottish people ”don’t want to talk about Independence ”, it’s only that Sturgeon woman who keeps bringing it up – and most of the audience on the night .

    However , they were at a loss to explain that , despite not wanting to talk about Independence ( unlike DRoss , Sarwar , Starmer , Johnson , Truss etc… ) at every election in Scotland the party of Independence keeps on winning !

    As a failed US Senate candidate once opined :
    ” The People have spoken – the b*stards ! ”

  9. yesindyref2 says:

    OT
    It’s a new initiative, somebody trying to do something to address any divide between worshipping the SNP and hating them, or stages in-between, I daresay it will offend some people, tough luck, we’re all on the side of Independence with wildly different views in-between, so here it is:

    https://peterabell.scot/2022/08/23/the-people-say-yes/

    To this end, I [he’s Peter A Bell] have taken the first steps in setting up an organisation provisionally called The People Say Yes! ─ taking inspiration from the quote [by Canon Kenyon Wright] at the start of this article.

  10. yesindyref2 says:

    Ruth Davidson is a bit of a shame really, she could have been a good sensible politician.

  11. raineach says:

    I suspect Truss will never get around to her Scottish question as she will be overwhelmed by all the other problems that are just about to consume the UK, and come the Spring her government will be about to collapse

  12. barpe says:

    I’m wondering, what if Truss’ problems when she takes office are as bad as raineach says, and she decides on a quick election in the autumn?
    Will the Scottish government be ready to make it the ‘de facto’ GE, because if we are still waiting for the SC ruling, it means it will then be another 4 years to the next GE when ‘de facto’ could be used?

  13. gavinochiltree says:

    Greater England, the dream of the neo-con right.
    Labour is in on the act as well.

    We have no political leverage, but England is increasingly dependent on Scotlands energy assets.
    That is our leverage, if we choose to use it.

  14. Hamish100 says:

    No, there is Britain then England or is it the other way about? This email does make life even more confusing. One thing Wales and Scotland don’t exist.

    https://mail.yahoo.com/m/folders/1/messages/40128?.partner=sky&.src=ym&reason=mobile

  15. Well this is just lovely. English security services getting Scots tortured overseas apparently.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-62646755

    Jagtar Singh Johal: Tortured Scot’s family astonished by tip-off claim

    …In May, Jagtar Singh Johal, 35, from Dumbarton, was charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

    His family claim he was abducted and tortured by Punjab police.

    The UK intelligence agencies MI5 and MI6 have now been accused of tipping off Indian authorities….

    An investigation by the United Nations Working Group on Arbitrary Detention ruled in May that there was no legal basis for Mr Johal’s detention in India, citing multiple violations of his human rights – including claims he was tortured into signing a false “confession”, through electric shocks to his ear lobes, nipples, and genitals.

  16. Hamish100 says:

    Sorry I was sent a link from a pal but didn’t work.

    This one should. England v Britain

    http://link.visitbritain.com/m/1/18389858/p1-b22235-73a4931705c34398a6ff53b436269e34/2/439/7406df7b-c7f3-407c-a099-36703c315764

  17. Welsh_Siôn says:

    There’s been a Burnhavention (aka ‘a mouse squeaks’)

    Andy Burnham says he understands case for independence from Westminster better after being Manchester Mayor

    23 Aug 2022 3 minute read

    Andy Burnham has said that he has developed a new understanding of the devolved nation’s desire for more autonomy from Westminster after being the Mayor of Manchester for five years.

    The former Secretary of State for Health said that he now believed that “this country, the UK needs to be completely rewired, there needs to be a redistribution of power”.

    He added that he now also had “more of a perspective on the Scottish independence debate” than he had in his previous role as an MP.

    Mr Burnham said he was still opposed to Scottish independence but that the country should have “as close as you can get” to home rule.

    […]

    • Alex Clark says:

      That’s awfy nice of the Mayor of Manchester to think of us in the regions.

      • Welsh_Siôn says:

        Isn’t it so? And the ‘fact’ that allowing Scots to vote on their on future remains England’s gift*.

        * Note to fellow-linguists. Consider the ‘false friend’ of the German word ‘Gift’ …

    • Dr Jim says:

      Being the Mayor of Manchester town council is exactly the same as being FM of Scotland, Burnham’s always good for a high pitched wee whiny laugh though
      He’s very very relevant you know, now stop it, he is I tell you, stop laughing ! damn you Scottish people for being contemptuous towards us important Labour people when we’re allowing you the space to be nearly as equal as us until we say you’re not

      Such a silly little man

  18. Welsh_Siôn says:

    From the Guardian Leader, roday:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/22/the-guardian-view-on-liz-truss-a-little-englander-pm-risks-running-a-little-england

    […]

    A poll this weekend showed Scotland is more likely to become independent if Ms Truss becomes prime minister. Her hard line on the Northern Ireland protocol has alienated nationalists and moderates in the province, which is on course to leave the UK within 20 years. Nationalists in Wales too would be boosted by a Truss premiership.

    _____________

    Dear Guardian,

    You say independence for Scotland and Wales is so much of a bad thing – why?

    Yet …

    In your self-same paper today, you anticipate the approaching ‘independence day’ of Ukraine and commend the people of that sovereign country for not being subsumed into a ‘Greater Russia’.

    Do you need lessons in self-awareness of matters closer to home?

    Yours etc.,

  19. Dr Jim says:

    It kinda looks as though the save the people from energy hikes is going to be a Gordon Brown style PFI deal where we get to pay back a Himalayas sized debt mountain that we didn’t cause over the next ten years

    We had Tory austerity for ten years where they bailed out the bank billionaires with our cash and we’re still paying for it, now we’re bailing out the energy billionaires for the next ten

    No bankers are poor, no energy giants are poor, no Tory or ex Labour governments are poor, they’re all still better off than they were in the first place, they’ll be telling us we’ve been living beyond our means again shortly and there’s no evidence that folk need to eat *every* day

    • Hamish100 says:

      I take it when we are independent the debt accrued by the unionists remains with England?

      • Azel says:

        Depends on how it goes, but if rUK wants to keep the shared assets as the continuing state, they also get to keep the shared debts.

        • Bob Lamont says:

          And DO bear in mind some of the bizarre allocations included in what is now termed the “National Debt” such as savings, pensions, etc etc..
          It would be an actuarial nightmare to arrive at a notional “Debt”, and even if it were apportioned in a “divorce”, Scotland would not be liable to pay the capital until the rUK did, which is never going to happen.

  20. bringiton says:

    I can remember on the weekend before the last referendum,coach loads of Orange people from Ireland descending on our capital to demonstrate against Scottish independence.
    How would they like it if Scottish Yes supporters marched through Belfast demanding the reunification of Ireland.
    Our independence is our business and no one else.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Indeed, when Scottish people speak everybody else wants to tell us what to say
      One minute we’ve got the best education anywhere, the next minute we’re all stupid and can’t think for ourselves, we invented half the modern world yet it was all by accident they say, they use the television that we invented to pump out propaganda against us while at the same time deny us the right to our own broadcasters

      Hard line British nationalists in Scotland will never be changed, they’re either English dependents or the same religious zealots who went charging around other peoples countries murdering them in the name of their particular God of the moment

      Remember it was still a thing up until the sixties that the current incarnation of these religious zealots could be excommunicated from the church if they set foot inside a Catholic church or a Mosque or Synagogue or any other building not consecrated for their particular beliefs, there were even demonstrations against some notable figures in Scotland for daring to do such a heinous thing, only tonight on STV we saw a previous Lord Advocate of Scotland hounded and protested against for going to the funeral of a friend who was Catholic

      On the surface these things have changed, but underneath and still for a considerable amount of people these things have not changed, they are what they are and will always be, and that’s not even counting the English folk in Scotland who just believe that they and England are born to rule and that we in Scotland are born to be ruled, but just by them, not these nasty foreign EU folk who they don’t like either

      Bloody grim isn’t it

    • I guess you typo missed an N there! They were of course not from Ireland, but ‘Western Brenglandshire over the Water’!

      Irish oange folks (protestants) in the republic supported independence and back reunification. Hence the green and orange united in white peace and solidarity; the tricolour.

      It was never about religion. That’s the lie the spun by the Brenglish press to paint the continued British imperial occupation of large area of a European country as just trying to save the uncivilised natives from their sectarianism. Everyone outside the UK knows it was about Britain vs Ireland and it still is today (see flags at old firm games). Hence the EU, US and UN negotiating a peace deal where Britain renounced it’s claim to sovereignty over a large tract of its neigbour’s land and reluctantly gave native Irish people there their basic human rights.

  21. Not-My-Real-Name says:

    Re Andy Burnham in Edinburgh on the 19 August he tweeted this…. :

    “Tories rock up in Manchester lecturing us about opportunity.

    Don’t think so”.

    Meanwhile Andy rocks up to Edinburgh lecturing us about ‘opportunity’ of ‘as close as you can get’ to Home Rule…..for Scotland.

    Don’t think so.

    See there is ALWAYS a tweet…..

    I mean call me cynical or just a stickler for detail…..but did the VOW one and the intervention of one Gordon Brown in 2014 NOT state the SAME as this if we voted NO….that being the case then surely proof that VOW one most definitely NOT fulfilled (which we know anyway)……but on what Planet does Andy Burnham think we here in Scotland are on if he thinks we will FALL for this again from someone whose OWN party are currently (yet again like Brown’s intervention) NOT in power ….and who himself has had ‘issues’ with the current party who ARE in power aka the Tories……

    On 17 May 2020 he tweeted :

    “Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland benefit hugely from the Barnett Formula. This means that, if the Government spends money in England (ie London), they get an automatic top-up. This is why I have called for a Barnett Formula for the English regions”

    That tweet shows where Andy’s MAIN focus is…..as in ENGLISH regions. It also shows his ignorance….we “benefit hugely” really ????

    One could elaborate how England benefits HUGELY on our resources but Andy would argue that was not the case as he is firmly in the camp of ‘We , the English, subsidise the Scots’……’and we , English regions, should get MORE than them’.

    See Andy comes up here to Edinburgh and argues that we in Scotland should FOLLOW England and have Mayors….thus like the Tories endorsing LESS powers to Holyrood…..we would also have to contend and compete with Mayors like Andy Burnham in Manchester who want a bigger cut of the money pie for his region via a UK centralised Government as opposed to a COUNTRY like Scotland getting what he sees as MORE subsidised money via the The Barnett Formula Myth that argues we are subsidised…..when we are NOT.

    You could go on and on but basically you would be wasting your breath, energy and time with the likes of Andy Burnham…….he talks the talk for the working man but his REAL ambition is to become leader of the Labour party THAT is what drives him to seek the limelight in badly timed and uncalled for interventions where he repeats the same old same…..but as a Unionist he will get the undeserved publicity that he so desperately craves……disrespecting who WE in Scotland CHOOSE to elect, the SNP, and who we do not as in HIS party Labour.

    Where do you start and where do you finish at the sheer hypocrisy and gaslighting.

    Post Brexit we have lost EU funding and the UK government have NOT matched this in their fake ‘levelling up’ policy ….one where we hear that should Truss win the leadership contest she will make J R Mogg the NEW Levelling up minister…..no comment required on THAT appointment ……except perhaps we should expect poorer areas to be levelled DOWN and wealthier areas to be levelled UP and much latin phrases and dismissive attempts at (unfunny) humour with a heavy BRITISH theme to be uttered via HIM.

    Kinda sick of people like Burnham and t’others…..playing politics to promote their own political party in Scotland……for ONLY the benefit of THEIR party not for us the people of Scotland (as if)…………a re-run of Indy Ref 1…..same players on UK side but with even LESS positives than before……but they can always rely on MAKING UP things which worked the first time round….but second time round via Indy Ref 2 perhaps the targeted audience, Scots and t’others living in Scotland, may be LESS receptive to their lies, pledges and promises living ,as we are now, in the REALITY of our country IN their Brexit UK.

  22. Ken says:

    Arlene and Ruth a mismatch made in hell. Creationism. Bonfire of the vanities. The wood chip scandal. £Billions up in smoke for unionist support at Westminster.

    Total illegal gerrymandering and denying people the vote. NI went up in smoke. Still breaking the Law with impunity. The NI unionists destroying the economy.

    Electoral gerrymandering and inequality. Foster has lost the vote and support. Ireland could vote to reunite finally. After years of strife and mismanagement. The unionist illegal brief causing so much grief,

    Illegal Masonics. Racist, misogynist bigots. Unequal and unfair. They blackball people and should be banned from the streets. Wasting public, taxpayers monies and resources.

    They are banned from the streets in most parts of Scotland. Take their bigotry and inequality elsewhere and try to obey the Law. Not to be annoying people and destroying the economy. They will die out eventually. The UK the most unequal place in the world.

  23. Ken says:

    The North East of England got a chance of an assembly. They voted against it, Labour let the NE of England down. Now they vote Tory.

    Burnham is delusional. So ignorant as to have absolute no knowledge of how the Barnett Formula works. It is embarrassing. Every statement shows complete ignorance and arrogance. Just continues losing Labour support in Scotland,

    Burnham is an ignorant chancer. Showing ignorance and arrogance in every statement. Plain to see. Losing Labour support, especially in Scotland. Labour supporting Tories. In cohoots with the Tories supporting austerity.

    Illegal wars, financial fraud and tax evasion. The unionist parties at Westminster killing people. Labour let the NE of England down. Along with every unionist party. Living it up at other people’s expense.

  24. Brenda Braithwaite says:

    Can anyone tell me what the difference is in England attempting to annexe Scotland in the same way as Hitler did to Austria at the start of WWll. This is a very serious matter when a neighbouring country attempts a hostile takeover of another. Then we warch Johnson swanning around the Ukraine trying to drum up support for no-one but himself. The stench of hypocrisy is overwhelming.

    • Welsh_Siôn says:

      They have form, Brenda.

      Consider the Anschluss of Wales by England under the so-called ‘Acts of Union’ 1535 and 1542 (properly known as ‘the Laws in Wales Acts’) which were only abolished in December 1993.

    • Or the Anschluss and ethnic cleansing of the Chagos islands.

      Or the Anschluss of N. Ireland following Irish independence.

    • Dr Jim says:

      The baddies in Germany just copied the baddies in England, but the baddies in England had been doing this for hundreds of years and were better at it, still are

      For the moment

  25. Good stuff.

    https://archive.ph/Fnim0

    Consultation launched to ensure long-term growth of Scots and Gaelic

  26. Alex Clark says:

    I see the GERS figures are out again today. They tell us that Scotland’s “deficit” under Westminster rule has fallen…then they tell us that it’s still twice that of the UK.

    Hahaha, GERS day is always good for a laugh, should be plenty of bullshit to laugh at from the usual suspects in the coming days. Each year the reaction from the propagandists gets more and more shrill, real frothing at the mouth stuff because nobody believes any of this pish hahahaha

  27. Alex Clark says:

    No sense at all of the bitter irony of this tweet for Scots

  28. weegingerdug says:

    Just to let everyone know. I am experiencing a bad bout of post-stroke fatigue so am going to have to take a couple of days to recover.

  29. yesindyref2 says:

    So from the National:

    Scottish public sector revenue was estimated as £73.8bn – 8% of UK revenue.

    but with “This was equivalent to 9.2% of total UK public expenditure

    and some vague notion that public sector revenue might have some relation to public expenditure, you could work out that 9.2% of UK revenue would be £84.9bn = £11.2 billion more revenue, which would nearly halve the notional deficit of £23.7 billion down to £12.5bn, and make out notional deficit 6.5%, compared to the UK one of 6.1%.

    I have absolutely no idea if that is a valid thing to do, though it seems reasonable to me, as in a virtually closed economy, expenditure generates revenue for the state.

    • Alex Clark says:

      The whole exercise is pointless without real data on income and spending.

      Who does the estimating of income and spending on our behalf and might they have a political agenda of their own that could possibly introduce a little bias into their estimates? Is the grass green?

  30. yesindyref2 says:

    Anyways, with GERS out of the way and a relatively good set of results, AND a prediction they’ll get better next year, the last ones before Indy Ref 2, it means the financials can get going now for campaigning, the financial paper and predictions, maybe a bit along the lines of my posting above but correctly.

    Bye bye Union, parting was ever so, errr, sweat.

  31. Bob Lamont says:

    Richard Murphy’s interview with Xander at the National over GERS was most amusing, Richard’s knowledge of GERS configuration is priceless at times.
    Then along comes wee Dross who was specifically trained to recognise every one of the tits in a herd of 400, yet notably is unable to identify Sunak, Truss, or indeed himself.

  32. Capella says:

    New kid on the block The Bottom Line with Roger Mullin on the case:

    Scotland’s economy loses billions after slow UK recovery, report says

    SCOTLAND’s economy lost out on around £18 billion because of a “decade of lost growth” in the UK which has added to the impact of the cost-of-living crisis, a new report has claimed.

    The latest analysis, from independence project The Bottom Line, says the price that Scotland is “paying for dependence on the UK economy” has increased since the severe global economic crisis of 2007-8.

    It argues the financial shock of more than a decade ago was not only greater in the UK, but that the UK also took longer to recover.

    If the UK had matched the growth rates of other large advanced economies between 2007 and 2019 – such as Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, and the United States – the UK economy would have been 4.4% larger.

    The contrast was even greater when compared with small advanced economies (SAEs), including Austria, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Israel, New Zealand, Norway, Singapore and Switzerland, the analysis said. If the UK had kept pace with these countries, it would have been 7.7% larger.

    The Bottom Line initiative involves David Simpson, founding director of the Fraser of Allander Institute at Strathclyde University, Graeme Blackett, who was economic adviser to the SNP Growth Commission, and former SNP MP and Treasury spokesperson Roger Mullin.

    https://archive.ph/qRn6e

  33. Capella says:

    Richard Murphy’s excellent article on the fallacy that is GERS:

    The 2022 GERS report will be nonsense, and it should be the last ever published

    I HAVE been writing about Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) since 2014. I had no plan to do so, but once I had looked at what GERS was, and is, I realised it was pure and utter drivel and someone needed to talk about it.

    There are so many problems with GERS that it is hard to know where to begin, but perhaps the biggest problem is that no set of accounts, which is what GERS claims to be, should be prepared for an entity that does not exist and yet that is precisely what GERS does.

    https://archive.ph/1qfxC

  34. And so the annual ‘We Scots Unionists / No voters are subsidy junkies, it’s true!’ day again passes with even less fanfare than the last time.

    As I’ve said before, you can’t be a ‘subsidy junkie’ and a Yes voter. Only people who support the union could possibly be that.

  35. James Mills says:

    I notice that some ”Yes ” supporters are getting their kilts in a twist because Nicola Sturgeon has had the nerve to say that she regards herself not only as Scottish but also British .
    Really ! How dare she ! Traitor !

    Their feeling is that she never wanted Independence anyway and should stand down as her comment is proof positive that she is a traitor to the cause , should be hung drawn and quartered and then given a good kick up the arse !
    This is followed by ”SNP members” then claiming that they will join a more Independence-minded party (Hmmm, I wonder which one ? ) and doing their level best to ensure that SHE ( guess who ? ) has no part in the Independence movement from now on .

    Sad to see such reaction but all too predictable from some who see ousting the FM as their ultimate priority .

    I am Scottish and British . I was born in Scotland . I hold a British passport . (I would rather have a Scottish passport )
    I detest the use of the term British/Britain to equate with English/England but this is often sheer ignorance by the people who adopt it , particularly in the media .

    I cannot rewrite history . Scotland has been a part of British history since The Union . I like many Scottish people wish it were not so – but that is fact . There is much of British history of which I am ashamed – so too are many English people .

    Some might wish to declare themselves Scottish ONLY but if they were born in the UK they are also British . They don’t have to declare themselves British unless there is no choice .
    I don’t declare myself British in any census or questionnaire . I only accept British nationality when there is no alternative Scottish option .

    This is a side show which is being driven by some who clearly will use any excuse to undermine the FM and which unionists will lap up .

    Whether you designate yourself as Scottish only , Scottish /British it should not affect the desire to make Scotland an Independent nation again .

    • She’s going after the Scottish and a bit British vote. Important swing voters. My best mate considers himself Scottish and British. English parents, Scottish granny, but lived from birth here. We had many chats. He ended up voting Yes in 2014.

      Like it or not we are all British Citizens. I went to St. Andrews in the 1990s where it was spot the Scotsman. I first saw braveheart with a group of my classmates who were all English. Everyone loved it. They were like ‘Man we were bastards then! :-)’.

      I’ve never nationally identified as British. The union flag has never been mine. But I held that passport until I got my Irish one post Brexit. Scotland was Scotland and part of the UK. When I cross the border I am in a different country. Just like when I go to any other country. Except with England, we are ruled by the same erses.

      While I have supported Scottish indy from the moment I first decided what I believed in politically (as a Scot, that was Scotland should get the government it votes for, for better of for worse), I did not have particular animosity to ‘British’. I danced badly to the spice girls / britpop. However, notably since 2007, the British parties have worked tirelessly to do everything they possibly can to make me reject Britishness completely. They have tried to finish what Thatcher started; to batter any sense of Britishness out of me. They really are trying make me hate British rule. Their latest wheeze is to take the vote off me and all Scots, removing our right to self-determine. That’s really got me feeling warm and fuzzy about minis, red phone boxes and spitfires.

      How on earth can they expect me to want to be British when they call me an ‘English hating subsidy junkie from a country full of druggies that can’t survive alone’ while stripping me of my right to vote? This isn’t hearts and minds stuff.

      I suspect the 2022 census will be very telling here.

      • Golfnut says:

        Her mother is English, why wouldn’t she consider herself British as well as Scots.

        • Tam the Bam says:

          Excuse me Golfnut….my late mother was English…my father Scottish.
          I was born and raised in Scotland.
          I consider myself Scottish and Scottish only.
          I have cousins in England who I keep in touch with…why wouldnt I?…..they are my family.
          I took offence at your comment.

          • yesindyref2 says:

            It’s optional Tam the Bam, nobody will force you to think you’re also British.

            A mistake the blood and soil nationalists make is that ultimately, if it’s racial purity they’re pushing, NOBODY is pure Scots, not even some inbreds living for hundreds of years in a cave on an unexplored part of the west coast of Scotland – because – where did they come from before that?

      • yesindyref2 says:

        Scoff not at the Spitfire young Pretanian. First aerial battle over Britain was over Scotland, and by the Spitfire, not the Hurricane which won the early parts of the Battle of Britain.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_River_Forth

    • Welsh_Siôn says:

      And it’s not as if post-independence that anyone’s nationality as ‘British’ is going to be wiped – unlike the various Anschlusses in history mentioned upstream. No one in the YES campaign is going to put anyone proclaiming themselves ‘British’ (or indeed any other nationality other than ‘Scottish’ (or ‘Welsh’)) into a concentration camp, are they?

      It also brings to mind that quote from the film ‘Passport to Pimlico’, something along the lines of,

      “It’s because we’re British that we’re sticking up for our rights to be Burgundians”

      or something like that.

    • James says:

      I suspect that the majotity of people loosing their minds over her comments have just read the headline without actually bothering to read what she actually said:

      “So, this might surprise people, but do you know I consider myself British as well as Scottish. British is an identity that comes from being part of the British Isles”

      So the fact that she considers herself British as well as Scottish is nothing to do with politics its simple geography – Scotland is part of the British Isles. Its nothing different to someone in Switzerland saying i’m Swiss and European or someone in Nigeria saying i’m Nigerian and African etc etc.

      But this is the type of silly comment that it has genrated (from the National)

      “I’m Scottish. No arguments. I think very highly of the FM but am surprised at how naive she sounded by stating that following independence we would still be part of the British Isles”

      Yes how naive of her for saying that independence will not casue Scotlands location on the Globe to move!

      • James says:

        Another example of someone tweeting and having a dig at Nicola Sturgeon without actually reading what she said comes from Christopher McEleny

        “Ireland is in the British Isles but the Irish don’t class themselves as Brits.”

        That will be becasue of this Chris:

        British Isles

        This is purely a geographical term – it refers to the islands of Great Britain and Ireland – including the Republic of Ireland – and the 5000 or so smaller islands scattered around our coasts. Remember this only refers to geography, not nationality, and while the Republic of Ireland is part of the British Isles, its people are not British – a very important distinction.

        https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/newsroom/blog/whats-the-difference-between-uk-britain-and-british-isles

        • Capella says:

          Many Irish people won’t even use the term “British Isles”. Welcome to the Atlantic Isles.

        • Tam the Bam says:

          Unfortunately James.. McEleny carries some sway at my football club…Greenock Morton FC.
          Peruse the latest Morton v Dundee game from last weekend (I was there) and you will notice ALBA hoardings (SNP Ronnie McCowan MSP hoarding is still there but less prominent) are very prominent for the camera.
          How did this happen? One McEleny inside the club naturally talks to ……………..

  36. Alex Clark says:

    She was talking of being British as an identity just as a Norwegian, Swede or Dane could identify with being Scandinavian.

    “So, this might surprise people, but do you know I consider myself British as well as Scottish. British is an identity that comes from being part of the British Isles. An independent Scotland will still be part of the British Isles.

    People talk about independence sometimes as if we’re going to cut ourselves off and float away up into the North Sea. We’ll still be part of the British Isles. An independent Scotland would still be part of the British–Irish Council that I go to right now as First Minister.

    Identity is a complex thing. Many people live in Scotland, are as Scottish as I am, but will have a very proud Pakistani or Indian or African identity.

    Independence – it’s about self-governance. It’s about whoever lives in Scotland, wherever they come from, whatever their identity it is, however multi-faceted and complex that identity is, it’s about those of us living here taking responsibility for the decisions that determine what kind of country we are.”

    We can identify as Scottish but that does not mean that as a resident of the British Isles others will not see us as being British as a result of that residency. It was also about removing the fear that some people have that if Scotland was an Independent country then they would somehow stop being British. They can still claim to be British as part of an Independent Scotland if they want to as that is where Scotland is located.

  37. Legerwood says:

    Interesting report – Emily Maitlis’ McTaggart lecture at the Festival. From comments on Twitter about this it would appear that people in England may be more aware now of the BBC’s shortcomings re its news reporting

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/24/emily-maitlis-says-active-tory-party-agent-shaping-bbc-news-output

    • Alex Clark says:

      The bias of the BBC against Scottish Independence is so blatant now that it no longer has any impact in my opinion. Supporters of Independence are already all too well aware of it and that view has only been strengthened over the years since the referendum.

      There are those that voted No in 2014 who because their bias is so blatant are now for the first time starting to see this with their own eyes and realising that they might just have been lied to in 2014 as they are being lied to today.

      In their desperation, they have to become even more blatant in what they say and broadcast about the SNP and Scotland with the most obvious recent example being the behaviour of James Cook at the Perth Tory leader hustings. That bit of theatre has backfired for him just as it has for the likes of Radio Scotland and Reporting Scotland.

      The trouble for the BBC is simply that nobody believes them anymore, not even their own former journalists who are trying to maintain their dignity since repenting their sins.

      There are a few in Scotland with plenty sins that are yet to be admitted never mind repented.

      • Tam the Bam says:

        You are correct Alex .BBC bias no longer has any impact on THOSE WHO ARE AWARE OF THEIR PARTIAL BROADCASTS.
        They will..nontheless continue (actually…their journalistic input is pretty awful…ever listen to GMS these days?) in their effort to obfuscate and ignore the actuality.

    • JoMax says:

      As someone once famously said “I have a dream …” Ours must surely be that one day a BBC Scotland journalist/broadcaster will have the guts to fess up and spill the beans.

  38. Alex Clark says:

    This is truly scraping the bottom of the barrel by both Johnson and the Torygraph.

    Boris Johnson has urged the British public to endure higher energy bills as the price of freedom in Europe because “Ukrainians are paying in blood”.

    Words fail me.

    • Fable says:

      Absolute disgrace

    • Dr Jim says:

      We should be grateful bombing us he’s not?

    • Statgeek says:

      Meanwhile, he’s on his hols and planning his future with all that cash.

      • Welsh_Siôn says:

        I have it on good authority he’s now hard at work (yes, I know …) on that biography of Shakespeare that’s always due out ‘at any minute’. This, apparently, is also the excuse/reason given for his absences at Cobra during the pandemic.

        If this latest literary work is anything like the last ‘historical’ tomes by the … ahem … Great Man … we won’t be looking far before we see fantastical untruths about (that other) WS, coupled with personal associations.

    • Tam the Bam says:

      Well…..we’ve all seen you in a Typhoon fatboy……chocs away!!!

  39. Alex Clark says:

    Surely even a government as ignorant and stupid as this one can figure out that when the price cap increases to £3600 for an “average” household this October then millions of defaults will be the result simply because those below the “average” in income simply can’t pay.

    Millions of direct debits will go unpaid because there won’t be enough in people’s bank accounts to cover them but that is just one side of the story. The biggest hit will be to those on Universal Credits and other benefits, especially those that use prepayment meters which are already the most expensive way to pay for energy.

    The number are really simple, 60% of a year’s energy use for a household is roughly Nov-Mar or 4 months of the year. So an “average” will need to find £18/day to pay their energy bill.

    When you consider that the UK basic state pension is £141.85/week then there won’t be much left over for food after the electricity is paid. Even worse off will be anyone over 25 on Universal credit, they get a pittance at £334.91/month and £525.72 for a couple which is just £121.32/week.

    If any couple on that had to pay £18/day for energy then they’d need to borrow £35 to pay for it and then find money elsewhere for food ect.

    I know I’m ignoring government help announced so far but the maximum £1200 that the worst off will get covers £10/day for those 4 months but nothing at all for the rest of the year, nor does it cover bills going up again in Jan and the April to a forecast £6000/year.

    That figure is quite simply preposterous when you consider how other European countries are supporting their citizens. The vast majority will be getting £400 this year, a sum decided when the cap rise was from £1200 to today’s £1900 which is a very long way away from £3600! A £2400 rise since last year and £400 seems laughable now.

    The price needs to be frozen, but it probably won’t be and then the whole energy supply/price structure on the UK needs to be reassessed in the face of this new reality. With Truss as the new PM, I see little action until it’s too late, too late at least for her premiership. I doubt she’ll be in the job long.

    • Alex Clark says:

      I know that what I wrote will scare some people but that is far from my intention. The fact is unless we start making more noise about this then no one will pay any attention.

      These ridiculous price rises cannot go ahead and if they do then the noise will be so loud that they will soon be canceled. You can’t get blood out of a stone.

    • Alex Montrose says:

      as the colder autumn nichts draw in, I find Mrs Montrose manually switching on the central heating as darkness falls, so at the end of October her switching on goes from 6ish to 5ish an extra hour of heat required, maybes not putting the clocks back 1hr this year might help everyone, just a thought.

    • jfngw says:

      If you don’t have enough money in your bank for the direct debit then you are most likely to be charged for them refusing to pay it (unpaid transaction fee). This just adds to your problems if you have no money. Should you cancel the direct debit, difficult to say as many energy companies will then start charging you even per unit, you are caught in a poverty cycle of ever expanding debt.

  40. yesindyref2 says:

    There are things that make me sad about all this, and one of them is the sad demise of the Herald, the way it twists and turns to put the Scottish Government, the SNP, Sturgeon – and anything in Scotland they can twist to be the fault of the SNP, in a bad light, all the time – and with no regard for Scotland itself, like tourism with its vindictive campaign against the ferries. Damage? Who cares, it says. Tally Ho.

    It wasn’t always so, the Glasgow Herald used to be a great newspaper, and even the renamed Herald was OK. It threw itself heart and soul behind the Devolution Referendum in 1997, having supported Home Rule since the previous century apparently, what a sad fall from grace where it clutches to its bosom any viper that has a bad word to say about anyone and anything, basically, that dares to support Independence for Scotland – and totally fails to protect the very Devolution it campaigned for when it was decent and genuine.

    Anyways, before its sad decline, this article from 1993:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12745032.george-pinkerton/

    THE Scotsman who claimed to have shot down the first German plane during the Battle of Britain [see above – Battle of the River Forth], Group Captain George Pinkerton, died over the weekend. He was 84.

    Born in Rutherglen and educated at Glasgow High School, he joined the city squadron of the Royal Auxiliary Air Force in 1933.

  41. Tam the Bam says:

    Posing a quandary…..
    What do you think would happen if the people take to the streets and the establishment have to reply

    The people take to the streets and the establishment utilise ‘crushing’ tactics resulting in multitudinous injuries..perhaps fatalities.
    Feasible…..I ‘m not so sure….different generation.
    Theyve never done this before.
    well….we’ll see.

  42. yesindyref2 says:

    Yes, the IFS make the same point I made earlier:

    Updated OBR forecasts will be available this Autumn and again next Spring. GERS outturns data for the current financial year, 2022-23, will be published next August, just before the Scottish Government hopes to hold a second referendum on Scottish independence. The relatively rosy picture they are likely to show will be a welcome contrast to recent years’ figures for the ‘Yes’ campaign.

    https://ifs.org.uk/publications/16162

    Some people in the Indy movement think GERS should be ignored, dismissed, scoffed at. Problem is the other 99% of voters – won’t. In my opinion, just calling GERS “cr4p” is good for the echo chamber, but totally ignores the real world where most people are neither independentistas nor unionists, they just get on with their lives, within whatever budget they have.

    Luckily the SNP high heidyins agree with me …

    • jfngw says:

      I don’t see any issue with telling people GERS is nonsense as far as an independent Scotland is concerned. If it was presented in a form that made it clear what the Scottish government spends per head and what the UK government spends per head then it may be worth reading. Why, because most of the deficit I have a feeling is allocated by the UK gov and it would like to see them account for why they allocate more per head to someone in Scotland rather than England.

      It is, as these types of procedures always are, designed to give the impression of the magnanimous generosity of Westminster government to its colonies, the truth is usually rather different.

  43. Ken says:

    The majority vote SNP/others and support Independence. Over 50% and increasing. If people do not want to vote. That is up to them.

    GERS is crap and everyone one with any sense knows it.

    IndyRef turn out 85%. More young ones coming on board. A residential qualification? Many people voted No to stay in the EU. Then we’re pulled out. Circumstances have changed a lot. Enough to win an Independence Ref.

    The unionists are running scared and losing support. Another 1+ year the Tories will be out,
    Independence in Scotland will improve the north. Away from London S/E. It will improve the UK economy.

    More prosperous and fair. More equal and cohesive. The UK the most unequal place in the world.

    Once the increased bills strike there will be riots and protests in the streets. Poll tax Thatcher. Violence and disruption.

  44. UndeadShaun says:

    Emily Matlis confirms what we always knew..

    “The former Newsnight presenter highlighted the role of Sir Robbie Gibb, who previously worked as Theresa May’s director of communications and helped to found the rightwing GB News channel.”

    “former Downing Street spin doctor, and former adviser to BBC rival GB News – now sits, acting as the arbiter of BBC impartiality.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/24/emily-maitlis-says-active-tory-party-agent-shaping-bbc-news-output

    British Biased Corporation is the correct name for their news and current affairs output.

  45. James Mills says:

    Well , thank goodness nobody could accuse BBCScotland of bias !

  46. Capella says:

    Richard Murphy asnwers questions on GERS Live with The National
    https://tinyurl.com/5t4vwk7

  47. Capella says:

    Pity the BBC doesn’t stay “studiously neutral” when it comes to Scottish politics.

    Outlander’s Diana Gabaldon: BBC checked my Scottish independence views before interview

    OUTLANDER author Diana Gabaldon has said the BBC phoned her before an interview to ensure she did not make any “inflammatory” comments on Scottish independence.

    Speaking to The National, the best-selling writer revealed that in 2014 the broadcaster had “cautiously” contacted her to ensure she “didn’t inflame the controversy” around the 2014 referendum “any more than unavoidable”.

    The American made the comments while in Scotland for the Edinburgh International Book Festival after releasing the ninth addition to her series that has sold more than 50 million copies worldwide and inspired the hit TV show of the same name.

    She said during the interview, where she was accompanied by Tom Devine and another guest, she stayed “studiously neutral” which “didn’t get me in trouble with the BBC”.

    https://archive.ph/lt56q

  48. Some interesting findings here from MORI on the arguements for Yes/No and people’s feelings on these:

    https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/scottish-public-divided-whether-treating-next-general-election-as-referendum-would-establish-mandate

    This is interesting:

    Caution on the last one because it does not mention ‘if the UK government blocks an iref completely’ which it should. I imagine support would rise sharply if people felt that was the only option.

    • barpe says:

      Of course these ‘polls’ never ask the really pertinent questions, as you mention in the final paragraph, just as they never seem to ask the straightforward ‘Indy Yes/No’ one but conflate with other questionable variations, enabling them to ‘muddy the waters’.
      Pollsters do their masters bidding, remember.

  49. Dr Jim says:

    I keep reading prominent independence supporters telling us all to be nice and friendly and happy quite a lot these days when we are forced to engage with the British nationalists, but surely that’s a bit of a forlorn hippy pipe dream is it not?
    In any competition (and independence is a competition) there are losers, and nobody on any losing side I’ve ever heard of is looking forward to being happy with the result going against them, but in the case of independence for Scotland winning will be joyous but it’ll also be the opposite for those who lost and they will want to make us pay dearly for beating them because it’s in the nature of British nationalism to behave that way

    The British nationalist team will foul and kick us and introduce badness into the game, but in this game they are also the referee linesman and VAR and they will not award us free kicks, so I would just say to the proponents of *let’s all be nice* it ain’t gonna happen, it can’t

  50. Not-My-Real-Name says:

    Well is it not great Emily Maitlis has spoken on BBC bias and their allegiance and connections to the Tory party….and everyone who is anyone is clapping and hailing her as a hero.

    I’m old enough to remember when many of us and t’others spoke out in Scotland at the obvious bias of the BBC and we were ignored and chastised……as too parochial for some of them to support as a truth or endorse on OUR behalf…..same ones currently falling over themselves to hail Emily as a truth speaker against the BBC…….

    See no one listened to us…still do not…..we were conspiracy theorists….members of a cult according to them…How DARE we criticise the BBC…..NOW from the horses mouth as in one who WORKED for them repeats what we in Scotland already knew and have been saying for ages …..but SHE is the great exposer of lies and propaganda at the BBC…but NOT the first is she….we were there long before SHE came out and spoke out against the Biased Broadcasting Corporation..

    Indeed many who now congratulate her for exposing the deceit and dishonesty of the BBC are the same ones who attacked us for saying the exact same thing about their, the BBC’s, political coverage and bias in Scotland….as in them, the BBC, NEVER door stepping the Baroness , or DRoss now, at times when the Tory party was in chaos or mired in a scandal BUT always ready for action at the hint of any CONTRIVED issue involving the SNP with Glen Campbell and camera crew ready to travel to the ends of the earth to confront the FM and accuse her thus relaying the Tory message of #SNPBAD….indeed most political news via the BBC is generated by Pro UK politicians criticism and accusations against the SNP…not news just tittle tattle …not investigated or checked as to credibility of …just repeated and presented as if truth…where opinions of Pro UK politicians are presented as news worthy of broadcasting to the Scottish public. ( and in UK news too…and via panel and audience members on debate shows like BBC QT and Debate night).

    See Brexit triggered them…..them as in those who ignored us when we spoke out against the BBC long before Brexit …but who now laud Emily for ‘speaking truth’…..many hypocrites who demonised us for our position on the BBC…..who now , because THEY are IMPACTED by Brexit and a ruthless dictating TORY party , are suddenly awake to the truth …that has ALWAYS existed with the BBC as far as Scotland is concerned and now it seems also the UK .

    I did not NEED Emily M to spell out that which I was already witness to and very much aware of….but nice to know we were all right about them as in the BBC….but WHO listens to us and WHO cares about us…… they, as in those prominent anti Brexit liberal minded Remainers, are only now swayed re their opinions of the BBC because it has had a detrimental impact on THEM…..unfortunately for many of them she, Maitlis, also dissed the Labour party and their acceptance of Brexit in her speech……not that many of them will promote THAT part of her speech….and let’s not forget as Brexit may have been declared Omerta for the BBC ( and other media too) as per Tory HQ instructions and relayed via Robbie Gibb their man (Tories) at the BBC…..it was always at the front and centre of many SNP politicians and indeed the FM’s attacks against the negative impact it has had on Scotland and indeed their UK too…..inconvenient fact that, and one I am sure Maitlis and many of those now lauding her , will fail to mention or highlight as a truth….and indeed something ELSE the BBC supressed in their ‘news’ coverage.

    So NOT news to us but they will use it , exploit it and manipulate it for THEIR advantage alone for their precious UK……let’s see how they who currently celebrate Maitlis react on BBC coverage come next Indy Ref campaign ……as THAT will impact them too ….but some of them will find they are more on the BBC side than ours…when the BBC being their ‘special ‘ style of reporting on THAT…. as in from a Pro UK position.

    So this current supposed exposé by Maitlis is NOT news to us in Scotland….by any stretch….old news……so whose the REAL dafties now then.

    • Not-My-Real-Name says:

      *when the BBC being their ‘special ‘ style

      when the BBC BRING their ‘special ‘ style

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Emily Maitlis should be invited to have a position of responsibility in the new SBCC – Scottish Broadcasting Co-Chomunn.

  51. Welsh_Siôn says:

    Calling Scottish friends,

    Sign the petition … (please)

    We demand that the Welsh Senedd has full control of natural resources in Wales

    https://www.change.org/p/we-demand-that-the-welsh-senedd-has-full-control-of-natural-resources-in-wales

    https://chng.it/TxdnM8B24R

    Many thanks.

  52. This literally is like calling a black person an ‘overstuffed gollywog’ or ‘banana stuffed monkey’ or similar.

    https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.thenational.scot/news/20759198.nicola-sturgeon-overstuffed-little-haggis-daily-mail-writer-tells-gb-news/

    Nicola Sturgeon is an ‘overstuffed little haggis’, Daily Mail writer says

    But anti-Scottish racism is fine in the UK. Same for anti-Irish and anti-Welsh racism.

    • Dr Jim says:

      And folk tell us to be nice to them, they’re racist English British nationalists

      Scotland is in the position of having to ask for what we can’t/won’t take, and that’s what gives the British nationalists the cohones to behave like this without fear of consequences

      • raineach says:

        think it’s spelt ‘cojones’

      • Bob Lamont says:

        Google “Amanda Platell” and you can see much the same traits as “Dan Wootton” or the infamous Katie Hopkins, making a living out of “shock” journalism, and a lucrative one it is until the Neanderthals they cater to want more than the host can accommodate with being sued despite the far right rich boys funding all of it well able to afford it.
        The media is no longer competing on better journalism but who attracts the money-men – And they are predominantly men, exceedingly rich, and want to “rule a country” as a hobby interest, rather like the current United Queendom’s PM…

        For “racist English British nationalists” substitute “colonialists” and it gels.
        Given Truss’s “initiative” (🤣) on referring to Scotnats as “Separatists” rapidly gaining ground, perhaps “Colonialists” as response is becoming appropriate.
        It’s a zero sum game really but ultimately they were always going to lose, and they will lose England in the process…

    • Skintybroko says:

      Absolutely disgraceful. This should be front and centre in an ideal world where media held people to account – won’t happen here though as our media will likely hold the same views

      • When the wife and I were in England last year with my daughter for a tennis tournament, we met and became friendly with a coach and his wife after we got him to give Mini Mrs SS a warm up lesson on grass.

        He was genuinely a very nice guy, but still cracked the ‘scots are tight’ joke a good few times. If he was an old friend that I had permitted to do this fine, but I hardly knew the guy. I didn’t laugh, but just looked at him. This happens because racism against national minorities in the UK is institutional, from casual up to actual attempts to deny basic human rights (No S30). From Russ Abbot up to the PM. The media do it and nobody is held to account for it.

        It is this attitude ultimately driving the attempts to stop iref2. You really have to consider yourself racially superior to a people to try and deny them the right to vote when you readily afford this right to your own people. If Westminster was trying to stop all peoples of the UK self-determining, then ok, it’s authoritarian and we are all victims. But no, British/English people are allowed to self-determine, such as with Brexit. The minority Scots / Welsh / (N) Irish though? Nope.

      • I note that the primary reason for the right to self-determine under international law is specifically to prevent peoples being racially abused by other peoples (slavery, serfdom, colonialization / occupation). Self-determination provides the means to escape such mistreatment, putting all peoples on an equal footing, no matter the difference in population size. China has one seat at the UN just like Iceland.

    • Golfnut says:

      I expect Cook to be outratged.

  53. Hamish100 says:

    Regional divide in education https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-62498631.

    In England. Surely not?

  54. yesindyref2 says:

    Jings:

    A busy Scottish street has been named in the top three “coolest streets in the world” in a Time Out survey.

    Glasgow’s Great Western Road, between St George’s Cross and the city’s Botanic Garden, took third place in a 2022 ranking of the ‘coolest’ streets on the planet.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/20759608.glasgow-road-top-three-coolest-streets-global-time-ranking/

  55. jfngw says:

    BBC journalists circling the wagon today, it’s a bit like ‘I can’t be biased I have friends who are not Tories’, for BBC Scotland change Tories to unionists.

  56. Alex Clark says:

    Yet more signs of the desperation in the Tory Unionist camp.

    Henry Hill: Another week where the cracks in the Scottish nationalist movement widened a little

    This week saw yet more signs that the Scottish nationalist movement is growing increasingly restive about Nicola Sturgeon’s faltering push for independence.

    As the Daily Telegraph and others reported, Alex Bell, a former adviser to the SNP, dismissed her effort to secure a Supreme Court ruling granting her the power to hold a referendum as “theatre”, and claimed the First Minister has received legal advice to the effect that she will lose.

    Meanwhile Jim Sillars, the Nationalists’ one-time deputy leader, has said that he is in “despair” at the state of the separatist movement, which he claims is not ready to fight a referendum and is unwilling to confront difficult truths about the referendum.

    He singled out the Scottish Government’s woeful record on education and alleged that it is “ruining the lives of children”, according to the Herald, and denounced the ‘Yes movement’s’ unwillingness to confront the Nationalists’ various failures in government.

    Another SNP fault line also reopened this week when Joanna Cherry, the ‘Salmondite’ MP and potential candidate to succeed the First Minister, alleged that Sturgeon offered her “no support whatsoever” after she received rape threats. Cherry claims other Nationalists were “afraid” to be seen defending her because of her gender-critical positions.

    Of course, none of this is yet reflected in the SNP’s polling, which continues to make grim reading. But it is all a reminder that the increasingly illusory prospect of a second referendum is the thing keeping the Nationalist show on the road.

    If Sturgeon takes a Supreme Court defeat, or more likely a failure to hit her apparent Plan B requirement of winning a majority of the vote at the next election, as an opportunity to bow out, these birds could all come home to roost far more quickly than one might expect.

    https://archive.ph/wip/jPxvI

    They really are pinning all their hopes and dreams on a successful divide and conquer strategy weakening support for Independence. I think that strategy has been going on for so long now that it can already be seen as a failure since support hasn’t fallen and in fact has increased.

    The anger will come next and that’s when we should laugh even louder at their panic.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Indeed – The distortion of who made the SC referral and why is is but one of many such distortions in this Henry Hill “Bilge and Swoon” publication, note his sneaking in the “separatist” reference to get on the good side of the attention seeking colonialist in the truss…
      The legal clarification is but one in a series of carefully planned steps, and from each, support for independence will continue to climb ever higher….

      At the risk of repeating myself, support in England for a Scottish Independence Referendum being held is in the majority, a public opinion which runs contrary to the media, Tory, Labour and Lim-Dem perspectives and presentations, the realisation they are being gaslighted grows every day, welcome to our world ;).
      At some point soon with all else which is happening, something will go bang in England…

    • Capella says:

      Still wheeling out Alex Bell and Jim Sillars. Dearie me. Was Prof Pennington not available?

      • Dr Jim says:

        We even had STV digging up dog food salesman Kevin Hague for his financial opinion on how Scotland can’t do anything last night

    • Dr Jim says:

      I don’t think anyone in the SNP was ever aware of the notion that Joanna Cherry would ever be likely to succeed Nicola Sturgeon as FM, it’s much more likely that she will disappear from politics after the next elections

    • A supreme Court defeat for the Scottish people in their right to freely self-determine would be an utter disaster for Scottish unionists. This much is obvious.

      • Trying to argue a Brenglish Supreme Court victory for the English government over Scottish people’s right to vote would be a blow to the independence cause, is like imagining the Russian supreme court ruling that Ukraine is ultimately Russian and has no right to independence would be a blow to support for Ukrainian independence plus would damage Zelenskyy’s reelection chances.

        Seriously, what are these people on exactly?

        Oh wait, cocaine. Sorry, forgot.

        https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/westminster-sleaze-drugs-mps-parliament/

    • stewartb says:

      “… woeful record on education and alleged that it is “ruining the lives of children”.

      Not only refutable by statistical analysis and by reference to various ‘expert’ research sources but perhaps more importantly, known to be false by (I suspect) a majority of parents – and perhaps EVEN more importantly by (I suspect) a majority of current and recent school students! Of course this will be put to the test – again – at the ballot box!

  57. Hamish100 says:

    Jim Sillars one time deputy leader….. aye in 1991.

    People age 35 and under, say who?

    As for Henry Hill people of any age, say who?

    • James Mills says:

      Henry Hill was the ‘Wise Guy’ who at the beginning of Good Fellas said
      ”As far as I can remember I always wanted to be a gangster !”

      Maybe this Henry Hill always wanted to be a journalist – but failed !

    • Dr Jim says:

      Once a Labour mixer always a Labour mixer
      Doesn’t he sell ice cream now?

  58. James says:

    Following yesterdays revollations from Nicola Strugeon this from Ian Blackford seems to of pushed many over the edge.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20759707.ian-blackford-says-loves-cut-thrust-life-westminster/

    https://archive.ph/6N8JG

    Who a person likes or dislikes is no ones business than the person involved. If you cant be friends with someone who you don’t agree with politcally thats fine, equally if you can be friends with someone who you dont agree with polically then thats fine.

    • Dr Jim says:

      I suppose it’s possible, but I have to say I have no Unionist British nationalist or English nationalist friends, and these days I don’t even know any and have never even bumped into one in the flesh for quite some time, it seems everyone in the real world is just waiting for a chance to vote Scotland out of this

      I haven’t been to Edinburgh for a while though so I know it’s a bit different over there, more eh, well more erm, there are folk from the other part of the universe of rule in Embra so I steer kinda clear of that place now, I’m too old and less patiently tolerant of their *banter*

    • I work with a guy who is Scottish and British. He’s a really good guy. He voted Brexit, mainly because he bought the crap sold to him by the British press. We’ve had lots of good debates, sometimes heated. In the end though, he says while he doesn’t want independence (mainly for emotional attachment reasons), he respects the right of Scots to choose freely.

      And that last point is the key. Anyone who does not respect the right of Scots to freely choose Independence is an enemy of Scottish people and a thoroughly unpleasant racist. That’s quite different from supporting the union while also supporting the right for Scots to freely choose independence.

      That is why I have said be careful to separate Scottish unionists from British nationalists. They are two different groups. About 3/4 of the electorate either support indy or are not in principle against it. They are Scottish first and foremost. The groups that voted Yes in 2014. The 25% odd on top of the 50% Yes are ‘Scottish unionists’. They can be persuaded to vote Yes, just as they did for devo in 1997.

      • ‘The groups that voted Yes in 1997’ sorry, where close to 3/4 voted to re-convene the Scottish parliament. The basic rule was Scottish people voted Yes in 1997, Brits voted no.

        • yesindyref2 says:

          The basic rule was Scottish people voted Yes in 1997, Brits voted no.

          Crap.

        • Lol, it’s normal practice to provide evidence when you counter someone’s argument.

          ‘Basic rule’ = generalisation. Of course some British identifying Tory (= British nationalist party) voters backed devolution, and there were some hardened Scottish (only) nationalists that opposed it, but the general rule was Scottish identifying voters (their country = Scotland) supported a Scottish parliament (again), while British identifying (country = Britain) wanted to keep direct British rule.

          I can’t find the same direct comparison for devolution, but the single biggest factor government people’s vote in 2014 was their national identity:

          % Yes 2014 by Moreno National Identity*
          68% Scottish not British
          49% More Scottish than British
          12% Equally Scottish and British
          15% More British / British not Scottish

          People of Scottish (self-identified) nationality voted Yes at epic levels; nearly 7 in 10. By contrast, just 15% of those identifying primarily as British did.

          Heavens the only reason countries with their own parliaments exist is because of a collective national identity. I personally have always supported Yes because I’m Scottish. Simple as that. It’s the same reason most people in the world support independence for their nations. If you asked the French population tomorrow if they should close their own parliament for a few seats in the Spanish one they’d say no for the same reason I back Yes to indy. I’m Scottish, not English. It’s nonsense that English politicians are making laws for a neighboring country; i.e. Scotland. Who in their right mind would allow that to happen to their country? Well, British people.

          Spanish and French are distinct. Our case is more complicated by the fact British is a secondary identity for many, meaning it’s not specifically in conflict to Scottish for them, and many don’t even see it as a nationality (but a union identity) even though quite a lot do (and see Scottish as regional only).

          But there’s no way on earth in 1997 about 3/4 of people in Scotland would have voted for a Scottish national parliament if this was not the case:

          To suggest otherwise would be completely at odds with the whole concept of self-determination and the formation of nation (people sharing a common national identity) states. Scotland went from being quite unionist to backing devo due to large shifts in national identity driven by decline of the empire and breakdown of the post-war social-democratic consensus, both of which had created / maintained a British identity in Scotland.

          *https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.5153/sro.3797

    • Golfnut says:

      So did Alex Salmond.

  59. Alex Clark says:

    Well done Truss in managing to recruit another EU leader who is now sure to support an Independent Scotland when the time comes.

    Liz Truss: ‘Jury is out’ on whether Macron is Britain’s friend or foe

    https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-liz-truss-jury-is-out-on-whether-emmanuel-macron-is-britains-friend-or-foe/

  60. Alex Clark says:

    This was mentioned earlier by Scottish Skier but it’s worse than I’d imagined.

  61. jfngw says:

    When BBC Scotland say balanced reporting they mean they will interview someone from the SNP vigorously then invite a Tory response, a Labour response and possibly even one from the four horsemen of the LibDem’s. After that they will then have a couple of journalists from either the Herald, Scotsman, Record, Mail, Express or the Sun to give their take on the interview.

    What could be more balanced than that in a country with a 50/50 independence split.

  62. Alex Clark says:

    The actual cap per kWh is as in the table. Forgot the talk of an 80% increase it is 85% increase per kWh for electricity and 114% increase in the gas price.

      • jfngw says:

        If you want a laugh (an ironic one not a real one) then have a look at the Tory claim the ‘wide shoulders of the UK’ has given me a union dividend of £2,184. Even if this nonsense was true it will, by my calculation, be wiped out by an increase in my bill since March of £2990 (340% in my personal case, from £1248 to about £4240). Looks more like burden rather than a dividend.

      • Bob Lamont says:

        I presume without checking these are pre VAT Alex ?
        Currently here in Romania as I had the bills in front me…
        The kWh rate for power (pre-VAT) is ca 0.28, inclusive of a host of other charges and deductions (all of which are consumption related) – This rises to 0.48 if I add back the “OUG27” deduction (the EU agreed intervention).
        The kWh rate for gas likewise is 0.086/kWh, without intervention (OUG27) it is 0.14, again all consumption based.
        No 0.72 standing charge per day for consumers here, there’d be a riot in Romania if they tried charging 20 odd quid a month for being a monopoly…
        Perhaps the “Great British Rip-Off” might feature as a BBC special ?
        No thought not,,,

        • Alex Clark says:

          Yes, VAT needs to be added to these figures. Also not available yet is the price of off peak electricity or Economy 7 as it’s known. The decision on what to set that at is left to the suppliers but must remain below the capped price.

          In April they choose to make it roughly 60% of the main rate which would be 35p/kWh. I’m all electric as no gas available here, as are 14% of all homes in the UK but it is substantially higher in rural areas of Scotland. In the Highlands for example more than 80% of homes cannot get gas.

          What this means for me is that before the Aprile rise I was paying 7p/kWh for Economy 7 electricity for heating and hot water, this was just over double the price of gas at the time. This winter it will be 5 times more expensive than it was last with another 50% rise to come in January, that is unacceptable as far as I’m concerned..

          Gas today has gone up by 8p/kWh while if you must use electricity since you can’t get gas then your bills have gone up by 24p/kWh. It won’t fly and it’s about time the Tories got their heads out of the sand.

          • Bob Lamont says:

            Call me naïve if you will, but I suspect this is all rehearsed like an extremely bad ham-dram, where Bodice-eugh rides to the rescue at the last instant to become the hero…
            Quite what the Trussed-chicken will do nobody really knows let alone her, her managers are the brains of this scam…
            My best guess would be they reset cap to a level preventing riots or a meltdown with service providers deprived of funds, they have not a snowball’s chance in hell of surviving otherwise.

  63. Dr Jim says:

    I see England is already making plans to remove water from Wales
    There’s nothing they won’t steal from anybody because they don’t invest in anything except their own profits
    The plan for Scotlands water removal is a Boris canal, any minute now

  64. Golfnut says:

    What the world economists think about Independence without the unionist spin.

    Excellent article, though I would argue the trade deficit is false as is the fiscal deficit.

  65. raineach says:

    London bin strikes loom – it’s the SNP at it again!

  66. Alex Clark says:

    They’ll be a lot more of this in the coming months.

  67. James says:

    With prices tipped to hit average price of £6000 per year by April the UK Goverment has no choice but to stop the increases simply becasue at those sort of levels your are no longer talking about the poorest struggling to afford the prices, you are talking about middle earners – those earning in the £30k bracket. You cant support them through targeted payments through benifits becasue many will not be entitled to any benifit (especially if they are single with no children) and cutting a couple of pence of income tax is not going to do anything.

    On a side note, even if you think that you are not entitled to any form of support its worth checking something on a site like this
    https://www.entitledto.co.uk

    As an example my wife and I have an combined anual income of around £55k and assumed that would not be entitled to anyting due to that being too high, but on checking found that we are entitled to £350 a month in Universal Credit (due to the fact that we have two school age children, we would be over the threshold otherwise). It only takes about 10 minutes to complete the form and you only need basic information like your pre tax yearly income, tax code and how much you pay in pensions etc.

    Even if you have applied / checked in the last couple of years it might be worth looking as the change in the tapper rate (which I think happened last year) means that you may get something were as before you did not.

    • It’s not just domestic bills that are a problem, but business bills too. Without help, a lot will go under, unemployment will start to rise and taxes will start to fall. Businesses are not even protected by the crap price cap.

      It is this type of crisis where the type of hard right capitalism the UK has increasingly followed since Thatcher falls down completely. Governments have to resort back to social democratic solutions or society will ultimately collapse leading to political revolutions of some form. In the UK’s case, that would be the rapid acceleration of its break-up.

      ‘There is no such thing as [British] society’ is not conducive to the survival of the British state. Societies cannot be built around ‘every man for himself’ individuals; their must be a collective aspect. A team effort where society collectively looks out for its own. Without mass nationalisation during WW2 for example, the UK would have unquestionably been defeated by the 3rd Reich, and would not have recovered in the post war boom in the way it did.

      The energy crisis, like Covid, is going to be a major test of the British state. If the British government does not step in to help Scots, what is the point of it? That will be the reaction of voters when faced with heating or eating. And this crisis is going to badly affect all but the most affluent.

      • James says:

        Its a major test for every northern European country to be honest. Sadly things seem to look like they are going to get much much worse before they get better. Only a couple of months ago many were predicting prices to peak at the end of the year and then start to stabilise, no one is thinking that now, as an exmaple France and Germanys year head prices have gone up 25% and 33% in one day and are now at 1130 and 995 Euros per Kwh respectivly. In oil terms this is the same as a barrel of oil trading at $1600. Even if prices go up at 5% a day which the UK price is averaging up it does not take long for prices to double. Its goiing hundreds of billions for countires to cover those sort of increases just for domestic customers let alone businesses as you mention.

        I’m sure that nationlistation of energy is definatly going to be high on the agenda when this is all over. Of course nobody is suggesting that it is a solution to stopping energy prices, hence why no country save France which had unique circumstance, is using nationalisation as a tool.

        Lets hope Europe has a mild winter, when the first cold spell arrives and everyone starts turning on their heating there is a very real chance there will not be enough energy to go around.

    • UndeadShaun says:

      I think even those middle income on 40k_50k will be hit too.

      They might not need to decide between eat or heat, like those on lower incomes will, but they will curtail any spending on non essentials

      Which will impact on takeways, restruants, cafes, cinemas where they would otherwise have spent money.

      This then impacts the business viability and their staff. Who will also be even harder hit.

      If the tories do nothing this may be a “let them eat cake” moment, with very serious implications for the tories.

      • Bob Lamont says:

        What makes you think “takeways, restruants, cafes, cinemas” will survive…?

        • Welsh_Siôn says:

          Cineworld, the world’s second-largest cinema chain, is [already] preparing to file for bankruptcy …

        • UndeadShaun says:

          Im not sure why you ask that question?

          This is going to have a massive impaction on 75% of uk population, which includes businesses.

          As i said this could turn into a “let them eat cake” momeent for the tories, should decide that public finances are mair important than businesses or their citizens.

          Once people decide they have nothing to lose is when revolutions that overthrow governments happen

          We are now at probably 1 minute or 30 seconds on the clock to that momement.

          • James says:

            Yea look at things like Deliveroo or Just Eat and others which have grown massivly over recent years. There business model depends on people having enough disposable income not only to afford to have takeaways but also be prepared to pay a noticable premium to have it delivered. When people see there disposable incomes reduced things like that will be the first to be cut back on. Not only will this effect the businesses who supply the food but also the people making the deliveries many of which rely on those deliveries to top up their income or is there only form of income.

        • Golfnut says:

          When you think back to the worst days of the pandemic and the tory’s were worried about people not using the buses and trains and all those coffee shops which wouldn’t survive if people didn’t get back to their desks. Not so much now.

  68. Naina Tal says:

    Sent this to Ofgem. Should I get a reply I’ll post it here. Dinnae hing b’ the thumbs though. Their autoreply says they’ll take ten days.

    Dear Ofgem
    I think you are a bunch of charlatans in thrall to the big energy producers. Big business making obscene profits all the time operating a cartel. The term “price cap” is a joke. It’s obviously not a cap when all suppliers charge the max. You are actually controlling the price, not capping it. You allow those companies to charge based on the international price for gas, yet most of Scottish power comes from wind and hydro power. As far as I know, the cost price of wind at source in Scotland has been relatively stable from time immemorial – £0 : Same for water.
    Between cost of energy and recently inflated standing charges you have absolutely forgotten your duty to ensure fairness to consumers.
    Incidentally, I do think standing charges should be abolished. I can think of no other business, whether butcher, Baker or candlestick maker* who is allowed to impose a charge on me just to be able to buy from them. I know people who have a standing charge after the last increase which is much higher than energy used.
    Don’t Expect this epistle will make any difference to an organisation such as yours but you needed tellt

  69. Naina Tal says:

    Sorry somehow missed the last bit off my Ofgem message:

    Can see candlestick makers making a big comeback soon. Suggest you get your friends in the Tory party to invest.

    • We have an open fire. Since we did up our 1860’s cottage and insulated it really well, it was just for decoration in the evening. Heating is off peak electric storage, which works well if a house is well insulated (useless if not).

      I think it will be running the fire night and day this winter, especially as the local farm manager is fine with us helping ourselves to windfall in the surrounding woods. I already have a big pile building up.

  70. Dr Jim says:

    They knew there was a pandemic coming, they didn’t prepare
    They were told the old and the sick would die first, they delayed and over 200.000 and still counting have died
    They knew along time ago that Putin controlled the majority of the gas production, they did nothing to prepare
    They knew Brexit would lead to inflation, they did it anyway
    They know this winter the old and the sick will die in greater numbers than normal, they’re delaying

    Look at the ideology of knowing that the old and the sick make no visible financial contribution to the economy so they allow them to vanish by inaction, then look at the ideology of sending *immigrants* you don’t like away to house them in *facilities* in another country

    Now listen to Liz Truss and her current allies in Westminster London and decide if it looks like she’s going to change a thing

    Old people, sick people, people they don’t like

    Marry all of that up with Brexit, the denial of Scottish democracy, the international law breaking, the breaking away from the international human rights laws, the defying of UN rules over the occupation of the Chagos islands, the Northern Ireland protocols, the support for the DUP in denying Northern Ireland a governing body

    None of this is the work of any normal political party that requires the votes of the majority to govern, we’ve seen this before and I have not the slightest doubt in my mind who and what these people are

    • Alex Clark says:

      Small quibble, you missed out the tearing up the Human Rights Act and no longer abiding by rulings from the European Court of Human Rights.

  71. yesindyref2 says:

    From the news:

    CHANCELLOR Nadhim Zahawi has urged households to cut back on their energy use, in a bid to tackle rising bills.

    The Conservative minister – who, along with wife Lana, has a sprawling property empire estimated to be worth £100 million …

    Gosh, I never thought of that, better switch off that solid gold sauna.

    These Tories are absolutely disgusting, the filthy rich lot of them.

  72. davetewart says:

    Aye he doesn’t want the power to the stables cut off, these horses are important.

  73. Outside the Brenglish bubble.

    https://archive.ph/1RZse

    UK media image of Nicola Sturgeon ‘opposite’ to abroad, CNN N1 anchor says

    THE “respect” shown for Nicola Sturgeon by the international media is the “complete opposite” to her portrayal in the UK, a CNN news anchor has said.

    Speaking to The National, Ika Ferrer Gotic, a news producer and anchor at the CNN-affiliated N1, also said she had been subject to extremely “negative” comments on social media due to her praise of the First Minister and Scotland as a whole.
    Gotic said: “I noticed in the last couple of months that the division is so bad that no matter who says it, if you say anything positive about Scotland you are immediately marked as pro-independence or pro-SNP.

  74. davetewart says:

    ‘We Will Keep Our Existing Energy Cap and Introduce New Measures to Lower Bills’

    Another key pledge broken from the 2019 manifesto was the Conservatives’ promise to keep the energy price cap and “lower bills”.

    As almost everyone reading this will have realised in the past week, both of those pledges have now been broken.

    For around 18 million households on standard tariffs, bills have now risen by an average of around £2700 with those on pre-payment meters paying even more.

    From the 2019 tory manifesto, why have the media not mentioned?

    • Dr Jim says:

      They’ve got an easy scapegoat now, blame Vladimir Putin for everything

      • davetewart says:

        The chancer says there’s a war on.

        If so, why not recall the licences from the North Sea and West of Shetland fields.

        Maybe it’s because the chancer worked for the oil industry even as an mp, maybe a wee ob prospect in the offing.

  75. Alex Clark says:

    Why is it that Scotland produces more oil and gas than any other European country other than Norway, and produces enough renewable energy to power the entire country, and is a net exporter of energy.

    Yet from today the cost of electricity in Scotland is the highest in Europe and more than twice the EU average, why is that?

    Why is it that Norway have the lowest prices in Europe at just one quarter of what we are expected to pay? Why are prices forecast to double in just 6 months time?

    I think as an Independent country then we might be able to do something about that.

  76. Alex Clark says:

    Where is all this extra money going that you and I will be paying for our energy this winter?

    First it goes to your supplier of course and the government take their cut in the form of VAT and green energy levies, some of it stays with the supplier to pay their running costs such as wages and of course, a bit of profit put aside for shareholders.

    The bulk of the money though then goes to those selling the energy, the producers, like Shell and BP but don’t forget there are also producers with huge renewable assets that have no oil and gas like SSE who are also suppliers and high prices for their wind power suits them just fine.

    When you look at it, you see that the price that the consumer is paying has tripled in just one year and that money is mainly going into company profits and government taxes, production costs haven’t changed and the wind is still free so all that money is being transferred from those with little to those that already have more than they could ever spend.

    Nobody better try and tell me that the government can’t do anything about it “market forces” just doesn’t wash. Greed is now running rampant in the monopolies that this Tory party sold off for a pittance. That was a mistake but trying to get anyone to admit it with the state of the media we have now would be impossible.

    • Capella says:

      Mick Lynch is a good example of how to combat the lying bastards. He’s articulate, well informed and committed to fairness. His sidekick (whose name I forget – Eddie Dempsey?) ditto. People support the strikers because they speak for all of us. The oligarchs cream off the profits and the rest of us are expected to pay the costs of their misguided adventures. No. No. No.

    • UndeadShaun says:

      Though SSE have said

      “Writing in the Financial Times, SSE chief executive Alistair Phillips-Davies proposed a voluntary scheme through which low-carbon electricity companies that own existing assets, such as wind farms and nuclear plants, could agree to fixed prices well below current rates for wholesale power for production they have not committed to sell in advance.

      Such fixed-price contracts could run for 15 years, which would help bridge “the gap” until other longer-term plans to reduce the price of electricity in Britain are established, “

    • jfngw says:

      If you wanted to see raw uncaring capitalism at work then the current energy market is a perfect example. A few companies now control your lives, they have put profit before peoples lives, it’s nothing more than uncontrolled greed.

      I wonder how many Tories are in cahoots with these companies, the corruption since Brexit should have been an eye-opener but I suspect England will still vote Conservative at the next election, they seem to like this type of government. All they need to do is continue shouting ‘Rule Britannia’ and the hordes will keep voting for them.

    • UndeadShaun says:

      SSE have proposed that all generators sell electricity generated from renewables and nuclear at well below the wholesale rate for up to 15 years. Until longer term plans to decrease electricity costs are introduced.

      https://www.ft.com/content/115768a0-c358-40fb-aa0c-407a704db988

  77. Bob Lamont says:

    It’s NOT “market forces” when the producer can charge a rate based on the highest cost of the basket of sources irrespective of how small that contributory element is.
    This was why HMG and the media were whanging on about Russian gas earlier in the year, despite it being of no relevance whatever to the UK, gaslighting the public.

    The cost of production from existing sources has not risen, and what little is imported is ALL of it to sate England’s shortfall, a “Better Together” bonus eh ?

    As an aside, Martin Lewis was explaining on the JoB show that with Ofgem now reviewing the price cap in 3 monthly cycles “to protect business”, from January 2023, average bills are predicted to rise to 5,386…
    On a state pension of 7 or 9k ?
    The Government of the United Queendom is totally bonkers…

    • Golfnut says:

      Not much point googling an explanation either, Russia, the market and nobodies making oodles of money out of it.
      I think we know none of that is true.

    • Alex Clark says:

      This idea that security of supply from the North Sea implies that prices would be cheaper if we weren’t having to use Russian gas gets pushed at every opportunity by all of them.

      What gets my goat is that not once have I heard any of them be challenged on this absolute garbage. As you say, they are gaslighting the public and the useless media are complicit.

  78. Ken says:

    Mick Lynch supports Brexit. Does not support Indy for Scotland? That would help the North and bring more prosperity, equality and cohesion. That would help the economy and the workers.

    Labour, funded by the Trade Unions, let the workers down supporting Brexit. Labour not supporting self governance for Scotland or International Law. Labour let the people down in the North. Then they voted Tory. Falling for the Unionist lies. Totally disillusioned.

    The chancer Chancellor telling everyone to cut consumption but using public money to keep horses. They kill horses don’t they.

    The tax evading chancing Chancellor. Setting the tax rate for others. Ripping off the public purse, in bogus companies, awarded illegally unscrutinised Gov contracts. In the wife’s name. Offshoring the profits. A public disgrace. A conman.

    The reason they join political parties to rip off the public purse. Made money from illegal polling companies. Gerrymandering and try to influence the vote. Betting racket. Illegally using Facebook, black monies and illegitimate results. To gamble on the stock exchange betting against the ill framed, illegal polling estimate results. Ignoring purdah. Breaking electoral rules and laws.

    The Polling companies censored so many times. They get away with illegal activity. Especially in tight margins.

    Hedge funds illegal betting activity. Paying to rig the results. Using political activities for illegal gains at public expense.

    Cambridge Analytica etc. Paid a minor fine for massive illegal gains. No deterrent. Costing £Billions in wasted public revenues.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Actually Mick Lynch stated very clearly that he did support Scotlands right to choose independence if that’s what we vote for, it was a front page story in the National, no other paper ran it because, well it’s kinda obvious why not

  79. Ken says:

    If they put up (UK) Gov pensions. It would cost nothing. Lower admin costs, but increase pension pay out.

    Whole UK Gov Accounts. 2019/20. Published June 2022
    Internet. Download.
    Pages133/134.

    Pension payout £101Billion OA pension?

    Pension + social security cost £240Billion. (UK?).

    Staff administration costs £233Billion.

    Putting up pensions would save benefits and staff cost. Pay for itself.

    Scotland pays its own (UK) Gov pensions and benefits. Receives little of the staff admin costs (in admin jobs) Many situated in London in the Mall. High paid Gov jobs. Scotland has to pay for the administration costs but does not bring benefit to the Scottish economy. Jobs based in London S/E. Including high workplace pensions.

    (UK) Gov pensions 1/4 of the average income. (£600 per week. £30,000 a year). Increases in benefits administration costs. Costs which do not benefit Scotland, but have to be paid by Scottish taxes. Scotland (Indy) could put up OA pensions and lower and offset the admincosts.

    Older people could live with the dignity they deserve, Everybody’s mother (father) are being shafted for making sacrifices bringing up their offspring.

    Government salaried pension liability. Works out even. The intake in contributions out weighs the payout. Yearly.

    Pensions payout comes from yearly intake of revenues. Previous year pays for current payout. There is no UK pension fund. The remuneration comes from yearly revenue take in or borrowing.

    The UK Gov borrows and spends what it likes. Scotland has to pay £Billions on loan repayments not borrowed or spent in Scotland. Or illegally put on Scotland’s account as a deficit. The so called fictional deficit. Scotland never sees or borrows the monies but has to pay off the debt loan.

    UK Gov. What yours is theirs and what’s theirs is their own. False accountancy and fiddling the books. Westminster corruption.

  80. Golfnut says:

    Good law project planning to sue Ofgem, doesn’t look like they have carried out an impact assessment, at least not one they were willing to share.

    https://goodlawproject.org/news/sue-ofgem-price-cap-failure/

  81. yesindyref2 says:

    I used to go to Lake Vyrnwy on business every year for a time.

    I see a comment below the line on the article about stealing Wales’s water, about plundering our oil for 50 years. And not forgetting our wood over the years. Scotland used to be heavily forested.

    But Wales has been systematically plundered for many centuries, exhausting the gold, copper, silver, lead, zinc, iron and of course, coal. And it looks set to continue – apart from the water which has been plundered for the likes of Liverpool and Birmingham since the war, there’s even new plans to plunder metals from the Crown Estates sea bed which, unlike Scotland, belong to Westminster and are not devolved.

    https://nation.cymru/news/wales-seabed-could-be-mined-as-part-of-uk-government-plans-to-extract-metals-from-crown-estate/

    We think we got it bad, we ain’t seen nothing in comparison. Cornwall was plundered as well till it became profitable only for 2nd homes.

  82. yesindyref2 says:

    With Stephen “Nobody No-one” Noon having worked on the YES campaign, this article could explain some of the wishy-washiness of YES Scotland:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20794138.former-yes-scotland-strategist-calls-compromise-independence-plans/

    They’re all crawling out of the woodwork, we’ve had Alexa “True Bluetooth” Bell, Jim “The Spills” Sillars, and some others who luckily I’ve forgotten.

    Next?

    • Dr Jim says:

      Nobody should ever again even contemplate compromising with England, they don’t understand the meaning of the word, compromise to them means surrender weakness a willingness to allow them to change any rules previously agreed, surely anybody who’s watched their dealings more recently with the EU can clearly see Englands representatives are not and never have been trustworthy, over 300 years of lies, how many chances do some folk want to give them for goodness sake, give them none, nothing, zilch nada, and then when they’re down kick them harder so they don’t get up and do it again

      There’s not a country on earth they’ve kept their word to, they lie to their own people, their Queen, the courts, anybody who’s daft enough to listen to them

      • bringiton says:

        Not much difference from Putin’s Russia.

      • James Mills says:

        The current Foreign Secretary and odds-on to be the next PM , when asked :
        ” Is Macron friend or foe ? ”
        Answered : ” The jury’s out ! ”
        F*ck me !
        The closest neighbour to her country , a NATO ally , a country which through its ports supplies the bulk of her country’s goods and she drops this ridiculous comment .

        To think I thought that Johnson was the bottom of the barrel as far as incompetent , ignorant , uncaring Tory arrogance was concerned .
        Truss is on a different level – and probably has more depths to explore !

        • Jim says:

          Macrons’ response to Truss’ remarks was priceless though

          “France will always be a friend to the UK. Despite it’s leaders.”

    • jfngw says:

      Anyone who believes I would vote for ‘Devo-Max’ is sorely mistaken, I want all Scotland’s policies decided by the people Scotland vote for, even if they ended up choosing a Tory government then I would accept that is the democratic choice.

      And who would trust the UK gov not to just overturn the Scotland vote as they are currently doing with the devolution agreement the people of Scotland voted for.

      I remember someone famous tweeting about a spurned lover and another chance, well that happened and now we are being locked in a room whilst ‘the lover’ is raiding our bank account and stealing our possessions.

      • Dr Jim says:

        Scots are noted for holding life long grudges against ex partners or mates who *dun us wrong” and would happily thump them if they ever crossed our paths again, and yet folk want us to forgive and forget a country full of people who have been brainwashed by their government to believe Scots are lesser mortals that they, it’s the same propaganda as was dished out in 1930s Germany about the Jews and the Poles as being sub human so the prosecution of policies to be rid of them would sound acceptable to the *normal* people

        I don’t for the life of me understand why more people refuse to see it and believe it

        • yesindyref2 says:

          I can’t understand how somebody like Noon who presumably has a little bit of intelligence and awareness, can look at Truss and Sunak and think “Yes, we can compromise with these totally reasonable friendly normal people”.

    • Seems to be a lot of Salmond associates saying the SNP cannot deliver indy and Scotland should be looking at more devo as part of brexit.

      • Dr Jim says:

        Once a Labour they always revert, they know that had the 2014 ref contained devo max it would’ve won and guess who’d be a hero praising himself for his plan having worked, unfortunately for him David Cameron was shrewd enough to see through it and drowned that cat in the river, now we have two choices, YES or NO which is really only one choice because if we’re stupid enough to say NO, well it doesn’t bear thinking about

        • jfngw says:

          It’s not for myself I support Yes, I’m probably too old for it to make much difference to my life (unless we change to a people owned energy system), it’s for my descendents and for democracy in Scotland.

  83. Capella says:

    Interesting insights into banking and the monetary policy of Westminster’s thieves and robbers club.

    There’s no need for a national debt, now or with Scottish independence

    THE City of London is home to many useful and responsible financial institutions. But this respectable facade also conceals a host of less savoury financial enterprises which exist and prosper in a malign and symbiotic relationship with Westminster – neither could survive without the other.

    With a few notable exceptions, it is a relationship which is understood, shared, and fostered by the conservative establishment in Scotland. So, when pro-independence politicians asked the Great & The Good for advice on matters financial, they were told to use sterling and to follow the familiar convention. This piece is the warning which should accompany all such financial advice.

    The disparate culture of banks – and very profitable financial enterprises which are “The City” – together create an illusion of wealth which replaces the real wealth, power and influence of the former empire and the Industrial Revolution. Without this deception, the United Kingdom would be exposed as a failing state.

    https://archive.ph/iuqOT

  84. Capella says:

    One of the famous battles we learned about in school, back in the mists of time, but which is less well known nowadays. Let’s celebrate Largs’ big day.

    Largs Viking Festival returns to Ayrshire to bring important battle back to life

    The Largs Viking Festival is set to take place across today, tomorrow and September 3 and 4, with a variety of events being held in memory of the battle which took place in the town in 1263.

    It saw Scotland’s King Alexander III and his army fight the Vikings led by King Haakon IV. The latter held a lot of land to the west of Scotland, including the Isle of Arran and Argyll, and didn’t want to return any of it to the Scottish king.

    One of the directors of the Largs Viking Festival committee is in no doubt over the importance of the battle in shaping Scotland as we know it today. Douglas Blair said: “Without that battle, I’m not so sure Scotland would exist because if we had been defeated, then the whole western seaboard would have been under Norse control.

    https://archive.ph/hZG0I

    • Dr Jim says:

      I bet if the Norse folk had won they wouldn’t have compromised with the English

      • Capella says:

        Well King Canute defeated the English in 1016 which ended the payment of the Dane geld. Hence the Kiping line – “once you start paying the Dane Geld you never get rid of the Dane”.

      • Hamish 100 says:

        They might- the angles take the south and east the Norse keep the islands and the north.

        Scotland no more.

  85. Not-My-Real-Name says:

    GMB Gary Smith is at it again…..he has said :

    “EXC: Bin strike trade union leader blasts SNP/Green Government over pay impasse:

    “We’re caught between a Tory Government that’s utterly rotten and a Scottish Government which is utterly incompetent.”

    Gary also accuses the Scottish government of trying to pass the blame onto councils for bin strike…..Gary can’t have that because the Tory councillors who are in same party as the one Gary thinks are “utterly rotten” are currently in coalition in councils with Gary’s favoured political party LABOUR.

    Gary thinks Tories are ” utterly rotten” but Labour think they are “utterly PERFECT” as a political party with which to UNITE ( pun intended)……in councils in Scotland…

    Gary , like Labour, think Scots are thick……and can be manipulated into believing anything he says as a careerist…..and one who had a prominent role in the BT campaign in 2014.

    Meanwhile Labour’s Achilles heel in their argument (one of many actually) is that they need to explain what are the Welsh government doing, that is SO different and better to OUR government to help the Welsh people , as surely they too are accountable and responsible in easing the burden of energy price for increases IF as Labour seem to be declaring the Scottish government should and could do more….we have Jackie Baillie, Pam Clancy all tweeting tis BOTH the UK and Scottish governments who should and could do more…why NOT mention Welsh government Hmm…..why indeed.

    Welsh government :£4m to help people with soaring fuel costs.
    Scottish government : £4m scheme package to help support communities with spiralling energy bills and the Cost of Living Crisis .

    Labour in Scotland think the Welsh government’s £4m is greater than the Scottish government’s £4m…..and they will try to convince you of that by IGNORING the fact that it is the SAME amount…..Labour ay HQ and branch office in Scotland be like…wheesht for the Welsh government.

    Dear Labour and GMB Gary Smith….all the lies you told to WIN in 2014 have actually unfolded as you predicted…only problem being you said they would unfold IF we voted YES…and lo and behold they actually came true BECAUSE SOME voted as you asked …as in voted NO to stay IN your UK…..guess this is down to YOU and NOT as you say the Scottish government….but also down to the party YOU enabled to continue to hold power in the UK government as in the Tories ……both YOU and Gary Smith can attempt to continue to pass the buck onto the Scottish government as you do ( and ignore the Welsh Govt who many a time concur with the Scottish government on who is REALLY to blame for current mess) but the buck stops not just at the UK government but with YOU Labour and your helpers like Gary Smith…..who apparently ,as an individual , works on behalf of TWO Unions…and a political party too…aka YOU Labour.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Yeah but when the Labour party win they’ll be different, they’ll change, they’ll do the right thing, they won’t be Tories anymore like they are now, that’s just a ploy to fool the Tories, and Scotland sighs and says “Aye right Gary son this time it’ll be different duh”
      Did Anas Sarwar give him any coloured beads or red cloth to trade with youngsters for their votes

    • jfngw says:

      Gary Smith is a Labour man leading a union, not a union man who happens to be a Labour supporter. He is part and parcel of the unionist movement which believes Scotland should be under Westminster rule in perpetuity. He looks like a man who we will see contesting a parliamentary seat then flipping his opinion on union activity, maybe he will become a Starmer supporter, if he is a Sarwar one then he most probably already is.

    • grizebard says:

      It seems we have reached a new phase of Mitigation Hell. A totally incompetent “hands-off” Tory government whose bonkers energy supply marketisation is the real villain of the piece, then cue tag-team dummy “up the workers” Sarwar, who can then get on the radio, totally ignore the real issues and the UKGov that is the source of them, and instead lambast the SNP even more.

      It takes an apparently normal well-grounded panellist to state the staringly obvious: if it’s “external factors” that are causing energy supply costs to reach the stratosphere, how is it that UK energy supply companies are raking in obscene profits, the like of which this damned Union has never before seen?

      • grizebard says:

        Oh, and the “solution” of that moron’s moron Murdo, inanely parroting his London master’s voice in order not to overly trouble his one remaining brain cell, is a new generation of nuclear power. So that a land chock full of poor unfortunates who manage to grimly hang on for the 20+ years needed (all being well, which it often isn’t) to get that going, can then pay more for electricity than they could get in the meantime far more urgently and cheaply from renewables.

        If it isn’t as clear as daylight in the Sahara by now it should be. All it needs – and badly – is to get rid of these useless nobodies with no answers, and instead install new management. Of our very own.

        • jfngw says:

          A cynic might think the current situation is a bit of arm twisting to have nuclear and fracking accepted, the BBC has already displayed a change in its reporting of these, now much more positive. Once the propaganda machine has been engaged as a sort of test the waters outlet then watch out for what follows.

  86. England is not Scotland’s friend. Certainly its government is not. If England was Scotland’s friend, it would not be taking the Scottish people to court to try and deny them the basic human right to vote (self-determine), so it can forcibly occupy their homeland. At the same time, it is threatening the international peace treaty that is the GFA.

    https://archive.ph/QPd6S

    ‘Serious problem’ if France and UK can’t tell if they’re friends or enemies, says Macron

    France and Britain would be facing “serious problems” if they could not say whether they were friends or enemies, Emmanuel Macron has said, insisting that for Paris the UK would always be an ally no matter who was running it.

    The comments came after Liz Truss, the clear favourite to become Britain’s next prime minister, told the penultimate Conservative leadership hustings on Thursday that “the jury is still out” on whether the French president was “friend or foe”.

    Right now England is a serious threat to peaceful democracy in the nations of the UK. Unlike France and our other friendly neighbours.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Truss’s problem is Macron is friendly with Scotlands FM and of course she’s the enemy of the *British* state

    • jfngw says:

      There one thing you can always rely on with conservatives, I include Blair and Brown in that category also, they like to have there hands bloodied in the theatre of war. Of course not their own blood, just ours or our families. As the combatants die the politicians will be investing in the companies with the best returns. I read somewhere Churchill was near bankruptcy at the start of WWII and a millionaire at the end.

      Westminster is a danger just now, they often see war as an easy way out once everything they touch starts to disintegrate.

  87. Alex Clark says:

    Talking of propaganda, here’s the pot calling the kettle black.

    Things aren’t exactly going well for Nicola Sturgeon at the moment, with bin strikes underway across Scotland leaving half the country festering under piles of rubbish…

    Which perhaps explains why the First Minister was so keen to skip the country yesterday, leaving the difficult business of government behind her to open a glitzy new Scottish ‘Nordic office’ in Copenhagen. The office is the ninth Scottish ‘international hub’, and is expected to cost £600,000 a year. Exactly why Scotland needs a Nordic office is rather less clear to Steerpike – but one rather suspects that endless amounts of taxpayer money can be bunged away in Scotland as long as it helps Nicola Sturgeon pretend to be a statesman on the world stage.

    To that end, Sturgeon was aided admirably by the National newspaper this weekend, which is currently in full SNP-Pravda mode. Its Saturday font page splashes on the ‘exclusive’ news that:

    ‘WORLD MEDIA RESPECT FM – UNLIKE THE UK’S’

    All of this quite embarrassing, even by the National’s low standards. Perhaps the nationalist cause is struggling more than Steerpike thought. When the propaganda is bad enough to make Pravda blush, the wheels must really be coming off…

    https://archive.ph/yuBZQ

    Typical crap from the Spectator that gave me a chuckle.

    • jfngw says:

      Talking of Pravda, how about Der Stürmer. I think we have a budding Eva Braun in our midst.

    • grizebard says:

      The thing about The Spectator is that it appeals only to the Tory litterati, a minority of a (diminishing) minority thus. So their privileged little band can sneer at the elect of the “restless natives” all they like, but they are not influencing the great sway of public opinion here, just “whistling Dixie” while their lofty assumed “ownership” of us slowly comes apart at the seams.

      So yes, we can well afford to have a chuckle over them, like you. For it’s we who will have the last laugh.

    • Alec Lomax says:

      Steerpike strikingly resembles Neil Oliver.

  88. yesindyref2 says:

    I can’t help thinking the UK Gov, those with a functioning brain cell that is (come out come out, whoever you are), must be dreading the UKSC in October.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/46/section/101

    (2)Such a provision is to be read as narrowly as is required for it to be within competence, if such a reading is possible, and is to have effect accordingly.

    In other words, a Scottish Parliament Bill is within competence unless it can be firmly proven to be outside. The onus really is on YK Gov to prove we cannae no dae it.

  89. Capella says:

    A million bottles of whisky heading for China.
    First direct China-Scotland shipping route begins

    More than a million bottles of whisky will leave the west coast of Scotland later in the country’s first direct shipping container service to China.

    The new shipping route has been hailed as a “game changer for Scotland”.

    The Allseas Pioneer arrived in Greenock from Ningbo in China earlier, carrying containers of textiles, furniture and toys for sale in Scotland.

    The direct sailings will reduce freight transit times, compared to services via Europe or southern UK ports.

    Six ships – each capable of carrying about 1,600 shipping containers – will operate on the route, which was established as a response to growing global supply chain pressures.

    The new service with three sailings per month in each direction is expected to cut the journey time from about 60 days to an estimated 33 by eliminating unscheduled port congestion delays in Rotterdam.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-62700354

  90. Golfnut says:

    First direct China to Scotland container ship arrved.
    Scotland /Europe ferry route to start 2023.
    Scotland’s electricity export( 2021 net 16 TWH ) based on today’s wholesale market value is around £8 billion.

  91. Golfnut says:

    Sorry had that round the wrong way should read Scotland to China.

  92. dakk says:

    Scottish Nordic offices opening,direct cargo sailings from Scotland to China.

    The tawdry small minded liars who write for the Spectator will hate that.

    I recall Jo Swinson lookandsoundalike Fraser Nelson writes for that rag.He looked haggard and unkempt last time seen him on QT.

    These kind of progressive developments for Scotland will not help his mental state alas.

    • stewartb says:

      ‘These kind of progressive developments for Scotland …’ may have long been difficult for some in our country to come to terms with!

      Recall this quote from Robert Bontine Cunninghame Graham (1852 –1936), founder of the National Party of Scotland in 1928 and the first president of the Scottish National Party in 1934:

      “The enemies of Scottish Nationalism are not the English, for they were ever a great and generous folk, quick to respond when justice calls. Our real enemies are among us, BORN WITHOUT IMAGINATION.” (my emphasis)

      I personally would not use the term ‘enemies’ but nevertheless I deplore the attitude of some among us who seem unable or unwilling to aspire to – unwilling to work towards – something so much better than the UK state is able or willing to offer Scotland, including for our children, grandchildren and those yet to come.

      The fundamental issue for our country’s future is: ‘who chooses?’

  93. Dr Jim says:

    They must really be afraid

  94. andyfromdunning says:

    This from ‘talking up Scotland’ today. Highlighting key statistic from recent opinion poll.

    Looking further into the Ipsos MORI poll, of 1 000 Scots, on views of Scottish independence, with the survey done only 2 days ago, there is much encouragement to be found. The poll is being ignored by the Scottish media, with good reason, for them, that is.

    Not only are the above results encouraging, when you recalculate with the don’t knows removed, we pass the magical 60% approval figure for some of the questions asked.

    From the above, we get 61.5% indicating they want to take the country in a very different direction from England and 59.5% saying Scotland should be independent because we cannot trust England to act in Scotland’s interests.

    Source: https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/scottish-public-divided-whether-treating-next-general-election-as-referendum-would-establish-mandate

    • Statgeek says:

      38% diehard Naws, which matches the 38% that voted for Brexit. Shock horror.

      Now watch as Westminster tries to disenfranchise Aye voters to the max.

  95. dakk says:

    Could the Chinese link be the rebirth of Greenock as a port city?

    It’s not a bad start.

    Cappielow could become a cauldron for visitors in less than a generation, which will be less than 9 years in this instance as instructed by the democratic wishes of the people of Scotland.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Greenock does OK with 60 to 70 cruise ships this year, the passengers have coach trips and this feeds the local economies and further away ones. It also does already handle container ships, but this shows the investment:

      It will lead to three sailings per month in each direction, calling at Ningbo, and the Chinese city of Shenzhen, before arriving in Greenock via its ‘sister’ container terminal at Liverpool.

      A Scotland’s leading west coast container terminal, Ocean Terminal is responsible for the safe handling of a throughput of 100,000 twenty foot equivalent units a year.

      Peel recently announced it will install two new huge cranes in the largest single investment made at the terminal since it opened in 1969.

      https://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/news/20294102.ocean-terminal-boss-will-proud-first-ship-china/

      And this from another article, think it’s complete now:

      CONSTRUCTION of a new Greenock cruise ship visitor centre is underway as part of a £19.2 million development which will welcome passengers and crew from some of the world’s largest and most luxurious vessels to Inverclyde.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      There’s also been talk in the past about turning Hunterston into a deepwater container hub (it’s already a deepwater port).

      https://www.hunterstonparc.com/port-services/

      Containers could be loaded from large container ships to small ones. The one from China into Greenock is about 1,600TEU, Hunterston could be capable of handlng 10,000 TEU containers ships and more (biggest are over 20,000 TEU). The passage past Canada could make a difference in the future perhaps, with global warming.

      I suspect they’d need to dual the A78 south, the port is Connected to the rail network, but they might need to and dual track the railway from Hunterston (or Fairlie) to Ardrossan.

      Hunterston was excluded at the last stage as a UDW port for rigs etc. in favour of Nigg and Dales Voe, but could be a runner in the future.

      • Golfnut says:

        I believe plans are already afoot for deep water cable production at Hunterson. The choice of location was determined because they will need big ships to transport the cables.

  96. Golfnut says:

    Hydrogen powered train test in Scotland August 22. You get see a little of the tech, no dialogue.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1081934212006008/permalink/1941854299347324/

  97. Alex Clark says:

    Ross Greer gives Ian Murray a boot up the backside after he spouts pish on GB News. Then he kicks him right out of the park by pointing out Labour will always take the side of Westminster when it comes to Scotland’s right to choose.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ian-murray-scottish-parliament-scotland-scottish-government-gloria-de-piero-b1021433.html

  98. Alex Clark says:

    It’s Saturday night so no harm in a little nostalgia. This was the first “big” Independence march to take place in Scotland from Edinburgh Sept 2013, Nicola Sturgeon led from the front.

    There’s a few well kent faces to be spotted too if you keep your eyes peeled.

    You won’t be surprised to hear that it wasn’t covered by the media at all.

  99. Dr Jim says:

    More than 35 years in the SNP, she could’ve done anything. joined any political party, been a cushy career politician, she means it and they know it or they wouldn’t be so frightened by how strong she is, no matter what they put in her way she keeps moving right on through it

    She won’t do a deal and it scares them to death

  100. Not-My-Real-Name says:

    “Labour is considering changing their constitution to rule out ever going into a formal coalition with the SNP or any nationalist party”

    Now THAT is Keir Starmer’s message to England and England ONLY.

    Keir agrees with the Tory party….that it would be a “coalition of chaos”…..thus pandering to Tory guff…..tis guff as LOOK at the CURRENT CHAOS under the Tory party……however he need NOT worry as we seek independence NOT a coalition with a party who are another brand of Tories in all but name.

    Keir Stamer will however NEVER consider changing their constitution to rule out EVER going into a formal or informal coalition with the Tories in Scotland in councils or indeed the Lib Dems……as there is so much more that UNITES them than divides them politically……I mean how else will Labour seize (steal) power in Scotland….other than cheating and doing dirt backroom deals with THE party they pretend to be in opposition to in England.

    Keir Starmer’s Labour is totally aware of the distinction between Scottish and English politics that is why he applies DIFFERENT rules , as they as a party have no REAL political message with which to entice and inspire voters to vote for them as a political party, thus like the Tories they resort to ludicrous staged antics and nonsensical statements that ALL play into THE Tories hands …….

    Labour party…..NO strategy….window dressing politics……no use to man nor beast….but I hope they keep it up as it may finally convince more peeps in Scotland that tis England and THEIR voters (especially those of a ‘special’ kind) who dictate Labour’s direction in what policies they adopt and indeed all messages they stupidly convey in way of a political declaration to their Britishness and patriotism……and who they value and respect MORE in other political parties and who they treat with contempt and hate.

    The party who many of us elect in Scotland, as in the SNP, are NOTHING to Labour indeed they, like the Tories and Lib Dems, seek to , not just beat them in elections, but seek to obliterate them enetirely…..no democracy EVER for us in Scotland with Pro UK Nationalist political parties IN or OUT of the their UK….hence why they think they can say and do what they like as far as Scotland is concerned…they KNOW where power at WM is gained ….from England….and England alone…..hence another stupid and offensive message via Starmer and his Labour party……same message as the Tories basically…….but a message better OUT than IN…in more ways than one.

    • Dr Jim says:

      To try to rid Kier Starmers Britain of the political party that Scotland votes for is trying to rid Britain of the Scottish people who vote for it, again we see the British nationalist fascist approach to dialogue, 1930s Germany, just get rid of them but let’s try to make it look acceptable by calling it *separatism* and broadcast propaganda about the evil of it, to justify any actions that follow

  101. Scottish Baker says:

    Good Morning all. Slightly off topic but here goes. Let me make my position clear at the outset. I am a rabid Republican. I can’t wait to get my “Peoples Republic of Scotland” Passport. I hope I live long enough to see that day when we have an elected representative as our Head of State. That is my stand! I very much appreciate that I’m in the minority and I do not wish to ride rough shod over those who see the Monarchy as a good thing – fair play to them.
    So, it may come as a surprise that I’m wondering what this year will bring. I understand Mrs Windsor is not in the best of health and that Charlie is waiting in the wings. When the inevitable happens might he be a source of fairness and common sense? If he wants to remain king, might he accept an independent Scotland but remain as Head of State? This might be a motive for him to ensure the divorce was amicable. Given that he has experienced an acrimonious divorce in his past he may well want to offer his services for arbitration and to hold in check the viciousness that the fascists will release once we have voted YES.

    Just a thought from an old rabid republican………….

    • andyfromdunning says:

      No chance that Charlie boy will help in anyway.

      • Scottish Baker says:

        Hi Andy, you are probably right. If that is the case then a Republic may come sooner than I expect. Just some thoughts…….

      • I cannot help but feel the planets are aligning. The end of the UK is nigh, and the end of Lizzie’s reign, be that her stepping down or going to join Phil, will be part of that alignment. All the Scottish polling evidence is that support for continuing the monarchy will be resigned to history when Lizzie is.

        I suspect when we vote for independence, Elizabeth the first will not be Queen of Scots anymore, and that will be a factor in the Yes vote.

  102. Not-My-Real-Name says:

    Nadhim Zahawi on energy consumption:

    “The reality is that we should all look at our energy consumption. It is a difficult time.”

    Kate Hoey’s responded tweet (THAT’s same Kate Hoey who formally was in the LABOUR party…..uber Brexiteer….NOW in the HOL and supports and colludes with TORIES also same for Ian Austin who also was in the LABOUR party NOW also in the HOL and supports and colludes with Tories…same goes for Gisela Stuart, John Mann and John Woodcock…..a pattern here…how many now STILL in the Labour party as CURRENT MP’s are the same as these ‘former’ Labour MP’s).. …..her response tweet to Zahawi’s tweet was this :

    “Of course we should. Those of us brought up before central heating wore extra jumpers when winter came”.

    Her tweet BTW is not unique in response to this topic as many many uber right wing Tory voters are responding in similar manner….has SAME vibe as when many of them were talking about Brexit and making comparisons with Brits in the second world war…..and how people came together and just got on with it…….how England won the war then apparently…..and ruled the world too…apparently….and will again now post Brexit…. apparently

    Seems if you want to progress with a Tory party in power in the UK in PRESENT times then you also need to embrace regression to past times when times were hard BUT hey living in Hard Times proves you are truly patriotic…..Kate though won’t need to adorn “extra jumpers” to stop being cold….no she’ll be nice and cosy and claiming much of her bills on expenses…..her tweet states “We should”…..but tis actually YOU and I SHOULD not HER or those in same position as HER…….such aspiration ‘to live in warmth’ in Brexit UK …wear an extra jumper….heating is now a luxury in THEIR backward Brexit Britain the fake country that is a world leader in gaslighting via politics and media……I would have thought as an uber Brexiteer Kate would have had a more Brexit sunlit uplands style of response to offer to Brexiteer patriots…..that fact that she has not …speaks VOLUMES……more BrexSh*t than Brexit really……..which we all knew anyway…..but truth has no place in Brexit Britain….or reality or normality it seems…….Boris says things will soon be “golden”……the rest of us KNOW it will actually be BLUE….in more ways than one.

  103. Ken says:

    Dissolving HoL would save a lot of illegal fuel and energy. Unelected mouth pieces of the Westminster Gov doing absolutely nothing about the fuel and energy situation. A situation totally solvable. In a heartbeat before people die.

    The electorate paying the fuel and energy bill of wanton Westminster unionist cheats and liars. Putting horses before people. Animals.

    Put the proper tax rate on Oil sector. Cutting petrol prices VAT. Increasing universal benefit and OA pensions would cut administration costs and bureaucracy. Pay for itself.

    Cut HS2 and Hinkley Point etc wasted £Billions. Cut Defence cost wasted on Trident and redundant weaponry. Cut NI increase. Rejoin EU or come to an agreement.

    Stop illegal wars in Europe breaking International agreements and fuelling the fire with more illegal weapons. Ruining the European and world economy,

    Costing £Billions and wasting monies that could keep fuel and energy prices down. The Westminster Gov (US) when cornered start a war. Wasting even more lives and resources,

    Scotland in surplus in fuel and energy and nearer the source pays more. For parity fuel and energy prices should be cut. A burden on the whole Scottish economy, holding it back.

    There will be riots and disorder on the streets if nothing is done soon. Thatcher. Poll tax got rid of her. One year + of the Tories. Tax evading free loaders.

  104. One for Welsh_Siôn:

    https://tinyurl.com/2p86bd7h

    Please imagine that Liz Truss becomes Prime Minister. In this scenario, if there was a referendum tomorrow on Wales becoming an independent country and this was the question, how would you vote?

    Should Wales be an independent country?
    30% Yes
    48% No
    13% DK
    3% Ref

    = 38.4% Yes ex DK

    That’s pretty impressive for Wales, but then support for the union in Wales has fallen by ~25% since 2014.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_independence#Opinion_polling

    • If the 2016 referendum on UK membership of the European Union was being held now, how would you vote?
      32% Leave the EU
      51% Remain in the EU

      If there was a referendum now on whether the UK should or should not join the European Union, how would you vote?
      47% For
      35% Against

    • Welsh_Siôn says:

      Many thanks, SS.

      And yougov aren’t the most favourable to Cymru, either …

      • Dr Jim says:

        Perhaps a question to Welsh people might be much the same as to Scots

        If there was a referendum on having a choice of what you want in Wales or having no choices by leaving it to England to decide everything as is the status quo now how would you vote

        I truly believe many people in Wales and Scotland really don’t get it that within this union they have no choices whatsoever, it’s as though they haven’t noticed it makes no difference what the three other countries of the *UK* vote for they only get it by the odd coincidence that England might want that too, other than that Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland are nobodies in this England designed system that keeps England and it’s politicians only accountable to English voters who’s votes are the only ones they actually need

  105. Ken says:

    NI wood chip scandal, £Billions went up in smoke. Foster creationism. A total joke lining associates pockets for personal gain. Led to resignation. Found out. Ireland could vote to reunite,

    Hokey on the take. Deselected. Did not follow electorate’s wishes, causing total hardship. Wasted £Trns on illegal wars and financial fraud tax evasion. Parasites. Killing and maiming millions causing the worst migration crisis since the WW2. Ruining the European/world economy. UK/USGov.Complaisant in treachery.

  106. Ken says:

    After the 2WW the whole world was in crisis, The EU was established to stop war and starvation in Europe. UK/US now fuelling the flames again. Breaking International Treaties with impunity causing trouble and strife in Europe. The Tories 1+ more years. Then gone. Leaving the mess behind them. Causing hardship for personal gain making themselves tax evading £Millionaires breaking the Law with impunity again

    Independence in Scotland will end this strife and anxiety. Make Britain a more fair and prosperous place where people can live in peace. With collusion and positivity. Cohesive and happier. Reduce Westminster power to cause hardship and strife. More equality.

  107. Capella says:

    Could the Westminster clowns have made a bigger mess?

    UK energy crisis due to ‘catastrophic Westminster policy failure’, expert Sean Field warns

    Dr Sean Field, research fellow at the Centre for Energy Ethics at the University of St Andrews, told the Sunday National: “To put it bluntly – there is corporate responsibility in this, but this has been a catastrophic failure of political policy in the UK for the last 15 years.”

    Energy prices began to rise around the world as a result of increased demand after Covid restrictions were lifted and normal life was resumed, placing pressure on supplies.

    The Russian invasion of Ukraine has also driven prices up – so even though the imports from Russia made up less than 4% of the total UK gas supply in 2021, this has impacted the UK too.

    But Field said the lack of storage for natural gas in the UK was a major issue when prices soar.

    “We gave up what is called the Rough facility in 2017/18 – which gave up about 70% of the UK’s natural gas storage,” he said “So basically, we are almost on a ‘just in time’ system for natural gas from Europe to meet our domestic needs.”

    He added: “That is a really bad situation to be in when, all of a sudden, natural gas prices go through the roof because we are dependent on that constant short-term supply.

    “The knock-on effect is that even as of this morning, 67% of all energy in the UK, electricity included, was being supplied by natural gas and so when you put those factors together you get a very bad situation for UK residents.

    “This is something that has been in the process for the past 15 years.”

    https://archive.ph/wPfl8

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Now let’s just hold on for a second to that “catastrophic Westminster policy failure” over the “Rough facility” being run down in 2017/2018 – This was at the very same Westminster Government considered it a commercial decision whilst promising the lowest energy costs in all of Europe, and further disconnecting from the european market to reduce bills further still… ? AND Unicorns AND sunny uplands etc..
      “Failure” or “Design” ?
      It would have taken the best part of year for experts with the best will in world to come up with a cost benefit analysis, yet PM May made the decision despite that, who needs experts eh?
      It is the Tories and their benefactors who have visited this hell over energy upon the public, pity help them when the public return the compliment…

  108. Mind Truss is going to have zero mandate. She’ll be in a really weak position. She has very little support amongst elected MPs, and is only going to win due to the backing of party members.

    This means she will have zero democratic mandate, unlike a PM elected by elected MPs, who technically has one. An election winning PM even more so.

    The Tories will be like rats in a sack trying to oust her while she tries to oust her rivals.

    https://archive.ph/ZH90I

    Think it’s all over? Think again – if Truss wins, she will have to call an election

    …We should be clear that on 5 September political history will be made. What makes the contest special is that, if the polling and betting are correct, the members of a political party are about to select a prime minister, Liz Truss, for whom neither Tory MPs nor the country itself has voted. Truss will be the third prime minister to be chosen by the Tories in mid-parliament since party members got the final say in leadership contests. But she will be the first to win through party members overturning the MPs’ choice from the earlier rounds.

    • James says:

      Yea pretty likely we will have a General election during Novemeber. Its really her only window, 2023 is going to be a write off and no guaantee 2024 is any better. She will hope for a bump when she starts and another from the Conference season.
      At the end of the day the Conservatives have a huge majority as a buffer, previously a winter election may of been a diswading factor but 2019 will alay some of those concerns.

      • andyfromdunning says:

        If there is a U.K. general election in November this year then that will mean plan B for a referendum which was pencilled in for 2024 will then theoretically be 2027.

        • Golfnut says:

          That will depend entirely on the SP judgement, assuming of course SP don’t sit on their hands as they did with the Continuity Bill.

        • As Golfnut says, that would depend on the SC ruling which should happen before November. If it ruled in favour of the referendum bill, then off we go in 2023. If it ruled against, a November (or later) GE could be used as a plebiscite.

          Of course then there is plan C, which is to dissolve the Scottish parliament and trigger a Scottish national election as a plebiscite for indy.

          Plan D would be the next (UK or Scottish) election, plan E the next…

          If Scots want indy there will be no way to stop them voting for it unless you stop them voting completely. It’s not really in the hands of the Scottish government; they merely represent voters. Right now it’s 50/50, but that 50% Yes is ‘hardcore will never vote for the union / are lost to it’ while the 50% No contains lots of soft Nos (see polling in 2020 for example), meaning it’s all but impossible for No to win, other than by an unsustainably small margin. 45% wasn’t sustainable with demographic trends for even 2 parliamentary terms. 49.95% would hardly be more so.

          And no amount of saying to Scots ‘you already voted on that’ will make any difference. This is why we are now down to the Brenglish actually trying to stop Scots voting at all.

      • UndeadShaun says:

        Is Truss calls an election in november, it will compound the tory leadership fiasco, with more time with no functioning government to make overdue descisions on the energy crisis.
        Everythings still fresh in voters minds over the stress caused by lackmof announcements on how to resolve the energy cap issue for over 75% of uk households.

        Starmers plans for a cap freeze are popular, it could be an election on cap freeze v tax cuts for the rich. Truss is odd person out with her plans for tax cuts which benefit the rich.

        I think tories could lose badly in November if they call it with voters rightly punishing them for choosing party over country.

        Like Gordon Brown was she may be trapped.

      • I think if Truss rushed into a GE, there’s little doubt she would face the same fate as May and lose the Tory majority she inherited too, probably by a much larger margin.

        The Tories had a +23 point lead over labour when May called the 2017 general election. Right now, Labour have a +10 point lead, meaning things are almost completely reversed.

        https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/united-kingdom/

    • Dr Jim says:

      In a poll carried out on the members at the beginning of this Tory exercise in duplicity the candidate who polled highest was Penny Mordaunt, a second poll revealed the same result but that was not what the parliamentary party wanted so they made sure that Mordaunt was defeated so they could push the candidate they wanted into the winning position

      So the parliamentary Tory party screwed over their own members to engineer a result that very few of them actually wanted to vote for

      Tories don’t even do democracy amongst themselves, it’s a mafia just filling positions within its own ranks for later manipulation by virtue of favoured debt to be repaid when the time comes

      Truss is a complete zombie of a woman who is being put in place by the Dons to do the bidding of the Dons for public consumption, poor old Sunak never stood a chance in the first place, I mean he’s not one of *the family*

      Like Tom Hagen in the Godfather when the chips were down he’s out

    • Alex Clark says:

      I think there will be an early election but not until next year, like Johnson she will have to be dragged out of No 10 kicking and screaming. That’s exactly what might happen because although I doubt the Tories will want to go to the polls and take their chances I don’t think they’ll have a lot of choice.

      This winter is going to be brutal for millions and I can’t say that often enough, what is Truss’s plan to deal with this? Well so far very liittle which is itself a big problem but the latest I’m reading today is once again about tax cuts.

      The newspapers are calling it “the nuclear option” where she will reduce VAT by 5% and that will take care of the problem. Her problem is that it comes nowhere near dealing with the problem as it doesn’t deal with the impact of rising energy costs on the poorest families.

      Not all but an awful lot of these people simply won’t be able to pay their bills without support, that’s why food banks are overwhelmed with people who right now can’t get through to the end of the week. Truss appears to be blind to all this and doesn’t see the job of the state to intervene in any way on behalf of ordinary people.

      If she gets this wrong, which she will, then there will be a price to pay. In her case it will be her job, she’s about to get a rude awakening I’d think.

  109. Capella says:

    Abbi Garton-Crosbie spells out the duplicity of Labour politicians.
    Political blame game over Edinburgh bin strikes falls flat at picket lines

    THE political blame game over the bin strikes and who needs to pay up isn’t cutting it with workers or the public.

    SNP Edinburgh politicians Angus Robertson MSP and former council leader Adam McVey were quick out of the gate to criticise Labour for ­allowing the pay dispute to escalate after photographs of the capital in a complete state dominated social media and traditional headlines at the start of the week.

    And to be fair they had a point – Labour pushed through the original and offensive 3.5% pay offer at Cosla, the local authority umbrella body. It’s unlikely that if 5% had been the initial offer it would have stopped the strikes completely, but it might have bought some time in negotiations, and avoided the strike taking place during the festival.

    Instead of engaging in the debate constructively, Labour and Tory council leaders have been teaming up to obstruct the negotiations. Ahead of the 5% pay offer being put on the table, the vote was tied at 16-16. The SNP Cosla president took it over the line with the deciding vote, but Labour and the Tories were against even that.

    Labour also tabled an amendment – backed by the Tories – which would have delayed the offer being put on the table, but thankfully it didn’t pass. The supposed party of the working class are officially in cahoots with the architects of austerity in Scotland. If it wasn’t clear to the public before, it will be now.

    https://archive.ph/iNFR2

    • grizebard says:

      It’s like the situation before with the Glasgow women workers, now repeated in cahoots with the Tories. Hypocritically stir everything up in the hope that the SG will get the blame, and never mind the collateral damage for us all. And maybe the biggest shame of it is, this dastardly political manoevering actually undermines the legitimate defence of workers’ rights in the eyes of the public at large, not least right now when things are so difficult because of English Tory incompetence.

      Labour under Sarwar is no longer the party of ordinary working people in Scotland; with such complete no-hopers in charge, it’s nothing more than a dead-end Tory shill.

  110. Dr Jim says:

    Of course there is the other option that all Westminster Prime Ministers take refuge in when they’re in trouble, WAR ! , and Liz Truss is exactly the right idiot the right wing parliamentary party lunatics need to put it into effect, and we know what happens in these British isles once there’s a WAR, nothing, well except for the stiff upper lipped tightening of belts and proud *British* propaganda flooding the airwaves about the nasty furriner planning to blow us all to oblivion, and as far as Scotland is concerned
    *Never is the time*

    Thur no entirely daft these British Nationalists, we’ve seen it before, dinnae haud yer breath

  111. Not-My-Real-Name says:

    Any doubts that any soul on here had (no laughing) , be they a regular or a random visitor, that Labour LIE as do their “client journalists” who support and promote their party…..(here is but one example below to add to the MANY lies they deploy to add to the MANY lies via t’other Pro UK parties who also USE and ABUSE many LIES to communicate #SNPBAD)

    On twitter the FM tweeted part of an newspaper interview, with the DR’s sister paper the Sunday Mail, that they did with Andy Burnham while he was in Scotland last week….

    In the interview it stated :

    Even though he and the Scottish government have clear points of shared interest, Burnham was disappointed not to have been able to meet Sturgeon”.

    So was this the Sunday Mail getting creative (lying) in respect to a quote from Burnham or did he actually say it ?…… well……………it then elaborated that point via a quote from him……….also let’s get real he’s a Mayor of a City and she’s the FM of Scotland and both are in different countries….no matter how much Burnham and the Sunday Mail tries to present the NON equation that they are both on par as in equal via their respective roles….they are NOT.

    He said “I asked to meet but I got no response. And I think that’s a shame”.

    Is this the truth , the whole truth and nothing BUT the truth…well……..NO…reality as in TRUTH came in the form of the person he said he had got “no response from”…..aka exposing the FACT of him LYING..as in the OTHER person he alleged ignored him refuted his statement by saying the OPPOSITE was the case….aka the TRUTH to cancel out HIS LIE…..oops.

    The FM responded in a tweet :

    “Interesting interview with Andy Burnham in today’s @Sunday_Mail.

    I was a bit perplexed by this part of it tho – Andy and I met on Wednesday afternoon in St Andrew’s House and had a constructive discussion about a range of issues.”

    Ladies and gentlemen…..This IS the Pro UK media and Pro UK politicians…..no matter which Pro UK media or Pro UK politician from whichever Pro UK party where LIES do the job that their inept and uninspiring politics FAIL to do to connect with the public in Scotland ( and elsewhere for some).

    • Alex Clark says:

      That’s a total outrage, how can he think he’ll get away with it?

    • Dr Jim says:

      In his efforts to create himself as a relevant political figure Andy Burnham will collude with the British Nationalist press even though in the next breath that same press will turn on him and paint him as an irrelevant little town councilor when it suits them to support the Tory branch of the British Nationalists

  112. Alex Clark says:

    Andy Burnham’s office was contacted the same day that he asked about arranging a meeting yet still he is lying about it. These liars are as bad as Johnson.

    • Legerwood says:

      The interview took place before the meeting had been confirmed BUT the meeting took place well before the paper went to press so why did he not phone the reporter and update them so they could correct the article?

      Does he think our heads button up the back?

      • Alex Clark says:

        It was him that had failed to confirm the meeting. Nicola Sturgeon’s office got back to him the same day he/his office requested the meeting in order to try and arrange a suitable time/date.

        • Legerwood says:

          But according to Ms Sturgeon’s Tweet she did meet him on the Wednesday so he had plenty of time to phone the reporter to tell them they had met.

    • grizebard says:

      Aye, those fabled “UK broad shoulders”. They just didn’t make very clear who would be able to take advantage of them when needed. Not thou or I, dear reader. Not thou, I or anyone else in (energy-rich) Scotland much either…

    • Dr Jim says:

      I would like a free Beano though

    • Alex Clark says:

      Phillipa Whitford sums it up nicely.

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