Perfidious Albion rides again

The phrase Perfidious Albion or Perfidious Angleterre has a very long history and an equally long justification. Otto the bishop of Freising in Bavaria used a similar phrase in the year 1191 to describe the untrustworthiness and bad faith of the English monarchy following a dispute between the crowns of England and Austria during the Crusades. However the phrase really started to gain traction after the French Revolution to the extent that by the 19th century French writers could refer to “la Perfide Albion” as a well known old saying.

The French revolutionaries had been greatly inspired by England’s so-called Glorious Revolution a century previously which saw the Westminster Parliament curtail once and for all the absolute power of the monarchy and replaced the Stuart dynasty with the Hanoverians. The French revolutionaries originally sought to establish a liberal constitutional monarchy along British lines. However Westminster and the British crown soon turned on the French revolutionaries and allied itself with Europe’s reactionary and absolutist monarchies in a bid to bring the revolution down.

It says a lot about a state that a phrase referring to its supposed proclivity for treachery, deceit and bad faith becomes elevated to the status of a stock phrase that’s a well known old saying. It says a lot, and it says nothing good. Perfidious Albion is the flip side of British exceptionalism. What British nationalists see as the special nature of Britain which elevates it above the rules and norms that apply to lesser nations, others perceive as an untrustworthy deceit and a willingness to go back on the terms of deals previously agreed. It’s an important lesson that you cannot reach a meaningful or lasting agreement with a polity which is founded upon the belief that it is beyond the normal standards of honesty and decency which it expects of everyone else.

Examples of the untrustworthiness and bad faith of the Westminster Parliament are abundant. Just restricting ourselves to recent history and Westminster’s dealings with Scotland, Perfidious Albion rode again with the promises and commitments made to Scotland by the anti-independence parties in order to secure a No vote in the 2014 referendum. Brexit taught Scotland that Westminster did not really believe that Scotland is a partner in a family of nations. The Conservatives’ attacks on the devolution settlement and their willingness to subvert and undermine the powers of the Scottish Parliament tell us that their promise in 2014 that no Westminster government would ever alter the powers of Holyrood without the express consent of the Scottish Parliament was never more than a cynical and tactical lie designed to help them secure a vote against independence. It was never a promise that they ever had any intentions of keeping.

The latest example in a long series of British perfidy is the shameful way that the British Government is willing to trash the Northern Irish protocol which it agreed with the EU in order that Boris Johnson could go into a UK General Election and tell the gammons of British nationalism that he’d got Brexit done. Dominic Cummings now tells us that the Johnson government never had any intention of abiding by the terms of the deal. It was, exactly like the Vow that British party leaders solemnly swore to the people of Scotland on a faux-parchment newspaper front page, only ever a short term tactical lie, designed to allow the Conservatives to get through a short term political problem. In a Tweet Cummings gloated that “cheating foreigners is a core part of the [Prime Minister’s] job”.

Johnson has form for this. He supported Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement at a third Commons vote in March 2019 despite the fact that he had resigned from the cabinet in protest about it, a resignation which was itself cynical and tactical, aimed at burnishing Johnson’s credentials with the Brextremist frothers in the Conservative party who would later elect him party leader and give him the keys to Downing Street. He voted for May’s deal, tactically and cynically because it was expedient at the time. His goal was to agree a deal in bad faith and then once the UK was out of the EU to kill it off from the outside. After May lost the Commons vote, she resigned, Johnson became Tory leader and the lying and deceit which was previously merely a strong tendency of the Conservative party became official British government policy.

The UK has now shown the international community its true colours as a bad faith actor which cannot be trusted to keep an agreement.

This is an important lesson that Scotland is dealing with British nationalist opponents who will lie, cheat, and say anything to get their way. None of the promises that the anti-independence campaign will make to Scotland in the next independence referendum will be worth the air used to utter them for all that they will be trumpeted and amplified by Scotland’s overwhelmingly anti-independence media. Scots too count amongst those foreigners whom Boris Johnson and his allies see as being his core job is to cheat.

This is particularly important because opponents of independence will not go into the next independence referendum campaign with the same lazy and arrogant assumption of victory which characterised their attitude in the early months of the 2014 campaign. They will be under immense pressure to find some story, some plausible sounding promises of a positive offer to make to the people of Scotland in the hopes of securing a No vote. Just like the British Government’s Brexit negotiations with the EU and just like the Vow in 2014, they will be nothing more than expedient and tactical lies which aim to “cheat the foreigners” and will be trashed the second that the Conservatives get the political result that they want. Which is why we cannot cease highlighting their lies and deceit in order to boost our chances of ensuring that they do not get the outcome that they want and that Scotland will no longer be the victim of Perfidious Albion’s lies.

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72 comments on “Perfidious Albion rides again

  1. There was a time, way back when Vicky was on the throne, that it was said that an Englishman’s word was his bond. That didn’t last long did it. Perfidious Albion is much more accurate.

    Never trust a tory.

  2. Michael Bruce says:

    Ulster Unionists call it the Belfast Agreement. They pointedly refuse to call it the Good Friday Agreement because – you guessed it – that is what the Catholic community calls it. It’s that Derry/Londonderry thing. The NI Protocol is actually working quite well for the province, with the benefits of the Single Market still in operation, but you wouldn’t know it to listen to the BBC’s reporting on it. No surprise there.

    • scottish skier says:

      Under international law it is called:

      Northern Ireland Peace Agreement (The Good Friday Agreement)

    • scottish skier says:

      Oh and it’s not ‘catholic people’ that call it the GFA, but Irish people, including protestant republicans.

      Also the French:


      The Germans:

      Pretty much everyone in the world really. Apart from the very Irish sounding brits in the North of Ireland.

      • Bob Lamont says:

        True, yet the fact that it is but a very few who are proxy objectors for London in all this stinks to high heaven.
        The EU must be acutely aware of what the game is, London will know they know, so it’s a danse macabre for England’s public really…

      • Gut gesagt, bien dit, Scottish skier.

        They’d love to reduce the tensions in Ireland, and ‘Ulsterify’ the independence dialogue over here.

        Get the ‘fettered foreigners’ (Attr. ‘Do you know who I am?’ Fish Face Gove) fighting among themselves, and have our colonial police forces smash a few heads with knobkerries, just like in the Good Old Days of the Mighty Empire.

        Kaffliks agin Proddies. Jew agin Palestinian; Greek agin Turk. Sikh agin Muslim; The English Empire raped and pillaged the world killing 100’s millions under the butcher’s apron; which is now plastered on every item in all our supermarkets, to remind us of the bloody vengeance that will be unleashed upon us Jocks and Micks if we dare take back our sovereignty and rightful places in the world.
        The North of Ireland is held by an imperial power, by force of arms…

        Donaldson believes the world is 4000 years old and that homosexuals can be prayed straight.

        Next year the North will vote to rejoin the rest of their country, and we scots will revoke the Union Treaty.
        MY Everlovin’ is a European, with an Irish Passport.
        Next year I shall be European with a Scottish Passport.

        And the English garrisons, naval bases and airfields will return to Scottish control.

  3. the french fishermen are planning to blockage goods coming into the uk from the eu, There are customs checks at calais, hence why kent is a lorry park. but bojo has delayed imposing any checks on eu goods coming into the uk. he cant cos we have shortages now, even before he introduces any controls.Looks like the french have decided for him . the french are good at this sort of thing, i know, i have french nationality. they have spotted a weakness and bojo has until tomorrow to reply. this action could cripple britain in a week. No one in france will lift a finger to stop their fishermen, neither politicians or gendarmerie

    • Luigi says:

      Oh Dear. Good old Blighty spent decades promoting a global,low wage economy with very little produced in the UK (too expensive). After becoming do dependent on an open world market they proceeded to shoot themselves in the foot with Brexit and close the borders. Now they are wondering where it all went wrong. The UK is now on a cul de sac to collapse. Get to the lifeboats while ye can.

  4. Alex Clark says:

    Irish Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, today has warned other world leaders to be careful about doing deals with the British government. He said it using diplomatic speak but what he actually meant was don’t trust the lying British government, they will go back on their word as they have no honour.

    The Tánaiste told RTÉ Morning Ireland: “I saw those comments; I hope Dominic Cummings is speaking for himself and not for the British Government.

    “But those comments are very alarming because that would indicate that this is a government, an administration, that acted in bad faith and that message needs to be heard around the world.

    “If the British Government doesn’t honour its agreements, it doesn’t adhere to treaties it signs, that must apply to everyone else too.

    “At the moment they’re going around the world, they’re trying to negotiate new trade agreements… Surely the message must go out to all countries around the world that this is a British Government that doesn’t necessarily keep its word and doesn’t necessarily honour the agreements it makes.

    “And you shouldn’t make any agreements with them until such time as you’re confident that they keep their promises, and honour things, for example, like the protocol.”

    I don’t know how anyone living in Scotland can believe anything that this government says, the whole Union edifice is built on lies and like every structure built on dodgy foundations, it will eventually crumble and collapse.

    I say the sooner the better, then we get on with the rebuilding of Scotland on firmer foundations.

  5. Alex Clark says:

    That’s good news on the jobs front, hope you don’t forget us readers of the blog LOL

  6. James Mills says:

    Lies , damned lies and a UK Vow !

    Come the next Independence referendum , when listening to the loving words , the promises and the vows from the Unionists , we should all bear in mind those astute words of warning from George W Bush –

    ” Fool me once , shame on … shame on you ! Fool me …you cant get fooled again !”

  7. Dr Jim says:

    Scotland will run out of Grouse and all the Whisky will run dry by the following Tuesday if Scotland becomes Independent, the moors will be bereft of Haggis, the Salmon won’t be pink anymore and the midges will multiply in their billions and all we’ll have left to eat will be the porridge that Nicola Sturgeon cooks up in her big witchy pot

    Yep, pretty much the same lies as last time, although I’ve had Nicolas porridge, she puts honey in it

    nom nom!

  8. scottish skier says:

    European leaders are well aware that the British government is in fact the English government and can’t be trusted, hence the EU ambassador visiting Edinburgh for direct talks with the Scottish government.

    Our neighbours will be sympathetic if we ultimately need to go for UDI. After all, if the English government can’t be trusted to stick to internationally agreed treaties / international law, the Scottish government can’t be expected to make deals with it.

    • scottish skier says:

      Scotland’s large gas reserves and green electricity generation must be quite attractive for Europe at the moment too.

      • Alex Clark says:

        They are both also particularly attractive to England too for obvious reasons.

        • Dr Jim says:

          England has always admired what other countries have then they steal it, I suppose that’s why 62 of those countries threw the baskets out

  9. Janice Gale says:

    Thanks Dug 🙂 Keep going 🙂

  10. bringiton says:

    If Cumming’s utterings represent the views of the British government then we are in deep doodoo.
    He claims that those who decry their willingness to renege on international agreements are demonstrating student politics,in other words are naive to think that the Tories will keep their word.
    Without the rule of law,democracy is finished which is why the EU demand that the ECJ has the final say in dealings which affect their market,especially with regard to Greater England.
    At least all of this is now getting global exposure and everyone can see what we are having to live with.

  11. Dr Jim says:

    Her Excellency the Right Honourable Nicola Sturgeon MSP and First Minister of Scotland speaking in the Independent country of Iceland today has upset all the wee Yoonies Scottish cringers and media in Scotland and England because the world invites her to deliver talks on well just about anything while their great leader the clown of Westminster embarrasses everybody and makes them cringe even more than they normally do because the world looks for ways to avoid him

    During the speeches the FM delivers she always gets rousing applause when she tactfully ridicules Englands little fat clown PM

    • James Mills says:

      Boris Johnson was going to do a talk too but was unexpectedly forced to go on holiday .
      Ah, the pressures of being a top politician – which Boris dreams of being , every night !

  12. Hamish100 says:

    I see an english lab has got its covid test results wrong.

    The FM should resign forthwith as it is all her fault !!!!!

    Still you wouldn’t know she was well received well in Iceland conference. Papers are all taken up by a wee wifey on holiday in balmoral who is worried about green issues? Just like the OO!

  13. scottish skier says:


    SNP secure Falkirk South by-election win as Labour’s support ‘collapses’

    THE SNP have a new councillor in Falkirk following a by-election prompted by the resignation of former provost and long-term Labour representative Pat Reid.

    First Minister Nicola Sturgeon sent her congratulations to Emma Russell, who saw off tight competition from the Conservatives to win the Falkirk South ward from Labour.

    Nicola Sturgeon meets with Iceland’s Prime Minister after Arctic Circle speech

    NICOLA Sturgeon met with Iceland’s Prime Minister following yesterday’s Arctic Circle speech – and took a gift celebrating one of the women’s shared interests.

    • Capella says:

      Very nice! We need to win all the LA s in May 2022. Did the Labour vote “collapse” because unionist Labourites voted Tory, and it still wasn’t enough? If it’s STV then unionist parties will have given each other 2nd and 3rd votes.

      • scottish skier says:

        Looks like the Labour vote collapse went 4.6% to SNP/Green and 6.8% to Con net.

      • grizebard says:

        The turnout was down, so it could be partly at least because trad Labour voters disproportionately didn’t vote.

        But if a person sees Unionism as the prime factor, why vote Labour when you can vote for the real thing? That’s what DRoss at least is counting upon. And Sarwar has no answer to that. While each slump at the polls hurts the morale of Labourites even more, so it becomes perniciously self-sustaining. Not a good place to be.

        Bitter Together was a Faustian bargain for Labour and it will keep on sapping them until the {ahem} “leadership” finally wise up. If they ever do before it’s too late. (If it isn’t already too late.)

    • scottish skier says:

      Seems Alba didn’t stand a candidate again.

    • Dr Jim says:

      We live in the parallel universe now where Tories have claimed victory in Falkirk when combining their count with Labours tally indicating more than clearly they do see Tory and Labour as one single party now

      I would suggest that the genuine Labour voters take note of that and perhaps understand how their dwindling votes for the failing Labour party are being used against them constitutionally, the end result being the extinction of their party not by the SNP but by the Tories

      Labour party members should understand that it’s the Tories who are the problem that Scotland wants rid of and if Labour sorted themselves out they could still exist as a political force in a Tory free Scotland, is that not more sensible than allowing themselves to be used as tools to do the Tories grunt work

      • grizebard says:

        Yes, a Faustian bargain indeed. Sold their souls to the Tories.

        Nowhere more apparent than in Aberdeen, where the Tory collaborators have finally been welcomed back into the Labour fold for the elections. If there’s anywhere that Bitter Together deserves its Nemesis, it’s there. And not least from forward-looking Labour voters themselves, as you say.

  14. Alex Clark says:

    Johnson back from his holidays, looks like he enjoyed himself.

  15. Tam the Bam says:

    Both the RMT and GMB unions announce industrial action during COP26.

    A coincidence? I think not.

    • Dr Jim says:

      The Labour party can’t get enough people to vote for them but they can do this then create a perverted logic for it that denies its own political interference

      Folk should be reminded how the Labour party spent fortunes in legal fees to prevent women workers in Glasgow receiving the same wage as men then when the SNP won Glasgow city council the Labour party demanded the back wages for the very women they denied those wages to with former Labour leader MSP Richard Leonard who was involved with the GMB union who did it, then parading up and down outside the city chambers calling for the nasty SNP to be fair on Glasgows women workers and pay up the money he conspired to deny them

      Unions were a good idea for workers rights run by workers that became political tools for the Labour party to misuse

      • Tam the Bam says:

        I was considering posting the facts concerning ‘faux outrage’ whipped-up by one Gary Smith (GMB) and the Waspi Women but you very eloquently saved me the bother Dr Jim.

    • grizebard says:

      I guess not. But why they imagine this kind of disruption will convince anyone they have anything worthwhile to contribute is a mystery to me. A conference trying to plan out a liveable future and they are still back in the 1970s. No wonder Labour is in trouble.

    • grizebard says:

      It is indeed interesting, thanks for that. A fair and well-grounded analysis, unexpected from a confessed ex-securocrat, and of NI extraction besides. Delivered of course just before the recent elections which definitively confirmed a continuing pro-indy Holyrood.

      He had some interesting things to say, for example suggestions for the best tack each side could take in a future indy referendum. (Suggestions that will likely be honoured by the Union side only in their complete absence, almost certain in their empty desperation to amp-up the relentless negativity instead.) He also quietly assassinates Federal Broon’s fatuous pretensions along the way.

      What I found especially revealing though, if not entirely unexpected, was his casual assumption that solely-English parliamentary theory is paramount and English hegemony ultimately unassailable, and that he is an evident enthusiast for the attempted post-indy carve-up by the UKGov’s tame academic legal eagles. (Personally I think their airy dismissal in particular of the Czech-Slovak precedent far too facile.) You would think the UK would have learnt by now from the examples of history, not least America and Ireland, that laws, however apparently well-entrenched, cannot ultimately prevail over a withdrawal of consent by majority popular will, given strong enough feeling. Feeling that can only grow and escalate with a hardline attempt to enforce a “democracy” that is nothing more than dictatorship of the majority.

  16. Dr Jim says:

    If I’m correct in my counting give or take a kilometer or two post Independence Scotland would acquire all land and territorial waters internationally agreed at 540.000 square Kilometers, that’s around 12 times bigger than England Wales and Northern Ireland put together and bigger than any single European country

    Too wee? too poor? well that’s a whopper of a giant lie

  17. Capella says:

    Scotland’s shrinking representation at Westminster. Soon be down to 0.

    • scottish skier says:

      Very ugly anti-Scottish racism. Imagine they intentionally tried to reduce black representation.

      • grizebard says:

        You’re stretching this current line of yours too far, I think. There isn’t a reserved group of seats for black people in Parliament to deplete, but there is a geographically-based Scottish one (among such others). Nor is there any restriction on numbers of Scottish MPs elected from elsewhere.

        It’s good to try different ways of re-framing, but this one just can’t bear the weight you’re trying to load on it, alas.

        • scottish skier says:

          You may feel so, but in the EU union, the peoples of smaller countries are intentionally given extra seats in parliament to ensure they are not outvoted by force of members by the peoples of larger nations.

          For example, Denmark has 41% more MEPs than it should have based on its population share of the European total.

          On top, every EU country gets a 1 nation 1 vote in the council and a veto on many key issues.

          The UK doesn’t do this as it wishes to reduce the ability of minority ethnic Scots/Welsh/N. Irish to influence UK governance.

          I see that as a part of a pattern of institutional racism – culminating in ‘you can’t leave without English permission’ that does not exist in Europe. Brexit of course didn’t need ‘permission’.

          • grizebard says:

            We’re not talking about the EU here, so all that is entirely irrelevant.

            It’s institutional something, all right, hegemony or subjugation or colonisation or whatever, as your quote well reveals, but “racism” it ain’t. I’m sure you could dig up some revelation from somebody or other (BoJo and that scurrilous poem he published, for example, or some random nobody online) that does reveal a personal streak of that sort, but it’s neither institutional in that way nor – importantly – something that most people here experience, so doesn’t have the necessary resonance. And you can’t confect that out of nowhere, however much you strain yourself. That’s where you’re heading up a blind alley. We certainly do need good ways of reframing, but with this one, nice try but no cigar.

            • Capella says:

              OTOH see Simon Jenkins in the New Statesman in July on the “Celtic virus”:
              The Return of the Celts

              When the British empire disbanded over the course of the 20th century, the fate of the ancient English empire of the British Isles was left unresolved. The English assumed they had assimilated the Welsh and Scots while the Irish Question had been “parked” with partition. That a small group of islands, liberal, rich and with a long shared history, could fail to establish a harmonious union seemed preposterous. Its neighbours, Germany, France, Italy, even Spain, had deployed devolutions and federations to merge the loyalties of their diverse tribes. All London could do was tell its troublesome Celts that they should remember how lucky they were to be ruled by England and shut up.


              • grizebard says:

                I don’t see that as “OTOH”, actually. English arrogance and exceptionalism, and the consequent ongoing attempts to establish their hegemony over us here, are equal-opportunity. With that typical imperial mindset, we would have been considered inferior whatever and whoever we were. (And we were certainly poorer.) Furthermore, the current divisions within Scotland are rooted in history. We have never been homogeneous; diverse cultural and political allegiances among ourselves were always present. We have never bundled ourselves into one convenient cultural bag called “Celtic”. Our leading figures in the time of Bruce were largely Norman imports. The Scots tongue is Germanic in origin, hence the Gallic word for its speakers as “Sassenach” (Saxon). This “Celtic fringe” notion is a superficial travesty.

                • Capella says:

                  So who were these “Gallic” speakers and how did they leave their place names all over the land mass of Scotland?
                  I agree that there was a significant influx of Norman Scots in the period of David 1 (and earlier, Macbeth had Norman troops on hand). But the majority of the natives were Gaelic speakers as the place names testify. The effort to stamp out the native language would never have been necessary unless a large proportion of the population spoke it.

                  • grizebard says:

                    I don’t dispute that, even allowing for uncertainty as to what the earliest inhabitants themselves spoke, but to characterise the Scots merely as “a band of generic Celts” has been outdated since, well, the kingdom of Northumbria at the latest. We are way more culturally complex than that, and have been for centuries – a millenium even – as our history well attests. And rather more intimately connected culturally with the rest of Europe throughout that period than this dismissive shorthand of the likes of Jenkins would have it.

                    • Capella says:

                      I think Jenkins (Welsh?) is being ironic in his patrician English Establishment manner.

                    • grizebard says:

                      We’ve reached the max number of allowed indents, so you win! {laugh}

                      Jenkins is indeed patrician Establishment, but his characteristic dismissiveness is genuine enough.

                      As to “remoteness”, it’s not you and I who are remote, it’s him far away there in London. (And in more senses than one.)

          • scottish skier says:

            I can kinda understand why people don’t see what I’m trying to say here. The British state has worked relentlessly to convince people that this sort of thing, including ‘you need England’s permission to vote’ is ok because ‘everyone is British!’ and ‘Scots are just the same as Londoners’ etc when that just isn’t true at all.

            If the UK was a single monoethnic nation, or it was multi-ethnic, but groups were completely evenly spread, then such boundary changes would range from being fair at one end of the scale, to basic gerrymandering at the other. The latter could be political, but often occurs along racial / ethnic lines.

            As soon as a minority ethnic group is concentrated in one region, then racists will, if they can, try to gerrymander based on this, with the intent of reducing the former’s representation. The classic is splitting a single majority ethnic group seat into two, while amalgamating two minority group seats into one. Or simply reducing the number of seats in a region where the ethnic minority dominates, e.g. Scotland and Wales in the case of the UK.

            Such racist practices have historically been common in Britain, most notably in Northern Ireland.


            Gerrymandering in Londonderry in the late 1960s

            Of course, in this case it wasn’t about protestant and catholic, but in reality about British persecution of ethnic Irish people. BBC doesn’t like to say that though.

            I sense people find it a bit uncomfortable when I talk about the Scots as an ‘ethnic group’. I do this entirely academically just as the census did, because it’s the case. See for example:

            Table LC2202SC – National identity by ethnic group

            Maybe I’m more comfortable discussing things in such terms as I am an academic, and also mixed Scottish-Irish with a French wife! I’m about as far from a ‘pure blood and soil Scottish’ family as you can be!

            Most Scots are not ethnically / culturally / nationally British. And I note that ethnic Scots / those who nationally identify as that come in all colours of the global rainbow, and from a multitude of countries of birth. The ethnicity is Scottish, with subdivisions thereof (white Scottish, Asian Scottish etc). It’s wonderful to see in the census how diverse Scottish ethnicity is these days.

            Anyhow, in multi-national unions, the concept of ‘one person one vote’ falls down as ‘tyranny of the majority’ is an obvious problem. In the UK, we are not all one people, so one person one vote is not actually fair, but in fact invites racist domination. Which is exactly what happens; the reason you are told ‘We are all British; one person one vote is fair!’ is so that ethnic English / British can politically dominate minority ethnic Scots, Welsh, Cornish etc.

            There is not a single shred of evidence that ‘we are all British’. That is a big, fat lie. The contrary is the case, as the briefest consultation of census data shows (if it was not obvious enough in daily life). Self-identifying British are a minority in Scotland, yet historically dominated positions of power and influence due to support from England, where these dominate (and the two identities are almost one). Scottish (only) people used to keep quiet about that lest they lose their jobs. Trying telling your BBC boss that you are ‘not British’ and see how long you lasted. When my parents were growing up, Scottish, Welsh etc political parties were banned from the BBC. No institutional racism? Come on!

            Anyway, non-racist unions / countries are conscious of this problem, so introduce counter measures to prevent the ‘tyranny of the majority’. In the EU, the smaller the nation / people, the larger the voice they will have in parliament. Likewise as earlier noted, it is ‘one nation/people one vote’ in the upper chamber. This creates equality. One person one vote is not fair, so it becomes one people one vote.

            The same goes on in federal states such as Germany, the USA etc to ensure larger states don’t push smaller ones around.

            Ultimately, if you believe in forcing ‘one person one vote’ in terms of representation in the UK parliament, it is because you want to force a single British nationality / ethnicity on people unwillingly, wiping out the ethnic minority peoples of the UK, which is unquestionably racist.

            Anyway, I stand by my earlier comment, albeit it it was too basic to be obvious what I was on about. The boundary changes are all part of a long term pattern to create a monoethnic British state, erasing minority peoples and so their right to self-determination. This seems to be pushed ever more frantically as support for indy enters majority.

            The fact Scotland used to have disproportionate representation is because it was recognised as Scotland. However, as support for indy has grown since the post-war era, so England/Britain has increasingly tried to supress Scottish representation in retaliation with the false premise that we ‘are all British’ (ergo Scots have no right to self-determination).

            There was a time when the Scottish Unionists were an independent Scottish party that believed in the union but were Scottish. Their takeover by the English conservatives when enforced an invented Britishness on them was the beginning of the end for them and unionism.

            • Marc says:

              Without repeating the point boundary changes that are designed so that every constituency whether it be in Scotland, Wales or England have the same range of constituents in it cannot be ‘racist’ as everyone is being treated the same.

              Only the EU and Germany use degressive proportionality in their legislatures (the USA does not each state sends the same number of senators to the senate no matter their size and the number of members of Congress that each state sends is based on the state’s population with the states with the highest population getting more members.

              Therefore if one person one vote is racist and a way of forcing one identity onto the population then a hell of a lot European countries are racist in this respect especially in countries that have large proportions of their electorate that self identify has a distinct as a distinct ethnicity (France, Belgium and Spain spring to mind).

              Of course, you are entitled to your own opinion and if you feel this strongly I suggest you use the consultation period to raise your concerns. But for me, on a night when a politician has been killed just doing part of his job and the stories coming about the abuse and threats that politicians from all parties are facing there are more concerning things to worry about in regards to politics than the makeup of a parliament that Scotland will not even be a part of come the next election.

              • scottish skier says:

                You are obviously determined to pretend you don’t understand, as you always do on SGP.

                Anyway, I have nothing to defend, as this is not my opinion, but the global norm for multi-national states / unions.

                How on earth did Trump win with less votes than Clinton?

                As noted, it is why small countries in the EU union have more MEPs per head meaning their ‘one person’ actually equals ‘more than one vote’ and is considered fair.

                It’s not my opinion, but that of the entire European union and beyond.

                It is you that needs to justify why you think England can outvote Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland.

                And as an aside, my stomach turned at you trying to score political points with tonight’s headlines / someone else’s personal tragedy.

        • Marc says:

          Yea I agree with you. Hard to see the argument that changing the boundaries across the UK so that every constituency has (within a margin of 69,724 and 77,062) the same number of constituents is ‘racist’ to Scottish it’s the same for no matter if the constituency is in England Scotland or Wales.

    • grizebard says:

      They’re doing it out of kindness, I suppose. {wink} Less Scots representatives to have wasted lives exiled in London and to be ritually humiliated in the House of Common Insults for their pains.

      It’s not as if any number can make any difference by being there anyway, whatever Keir Starmer may pretend. Labour propaganda about “needing Scotland” becomes even less credible, if that were possible.

      Simplest solution by far, reduce the number to zero, as you say. Better all round.

      • James Mills says:

        They’re doing it for the Planet !
        It’s part of the UK Zero emissions target – fewer Scots to travel down to London – reducing our carbon footprint !
        The ideal is to have only Alister Jack as the sole representative from Scotland as he embodies all that is good about Scotland and knows implicitly what we want – even if WE don’t !

        • grizebard says:


          Though I – as you also, I’m sure – prefer BL‘s alternative nomination downthread for sole eco-friendly representative…

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Population levels as I understood it dictate the the modern electoral boundaries, so it is surely no surprise England’s share of MP’s continue to increase.
      As to your “Soon be down to 0” – Most of us sincerely hope so and very soon, London may deal with our Ambassador thereafter.

  18. Not-My-Real-Name says:

    Tory MP David Amess stabbed multiple times at his constituency office in Leigh-on-Sea in England…….

    Oh my God…..

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