Alister Jack’s amazing mobile goalposts

It’s pretty certain that the governor general of the Northern colony Alister Jack doesn’t sully his hands with manual labour, he has staff for that sort of thing. Today those staff members will be extremely busy shifting goalposts on Alister’s orders. In an interview with Politico, the Secretary of State for keeping the uppity Brexit rejecting Jocks in line has conceded that there are conditions under which the Conservative Government in Westminster could support a second independence referendum going ahead. These are of course conditions which are at the moment unlikely to occur, which is precisely why Alister has conceded them. Jack says that if support for another independence referendum, although not necessarily support for independence, is consistently over 60% “for a reasonably long period” then he would acknowledge that the people of Scotland wanted one.

This is our colonial overlord’s interpretation of the weasel words of his cabinet superior Michael Gove who suggested recently that the UK Government would not stand in the way of a second referendum if it was the “settled will” of the Scottish people. Naturally it’s the Tories who will take it on themselves to decide how and when the “settled will” of the people of Scotland is to be determined. It’s certainly not for the Scottish people to decide what their settled will is for themselves, perhaps, you know, by going along to a polling station during an election and marking their choice on a ballot paper and resoundingly rejecting the Conservative party. For Alister and Michael that doesn’t seem to count.

Alister Jack’s pronouncement is another example of the Conservatives being unreasonable but trying (and in this case failing dismally) to give the appearance of being reasonable. There’s probably a word for it in German. However we all know that if Jack’s condition was ever to be met, he would simply insist that this ” reasonably long period” was not actually reasonably long enough, or he would point to the level of support for independence if that was significantly lower and claim that this “proved” that there was not sufficient support in order to justify another referendum.

This is because the new conditions that Jack has set out are not conditions that are ever intended to be met, they are just conditions that are not met at the moment, and if ever there is a chance of them being met, he’ll just shift the goalposts somewhere else. As far as conditions for another referendum are concerned the Conservatives’ goalposts are not just on wheels, they’re being towed behind that HS2 railway train that’s never going to reach Scotland. That’s the main, though far from the only, reason that the only appropriate political response to Jack’s new set of conditions is “Gaun dook fur chips ya muppet”.

It was only a few years ago that Ruth Davidson spelled out the conditions necessary for Scotland to have an independence referendum. Back in 2007 she said “If the Greens and the SNP… can get the votes in the Parliament, they’ll get a referendum. That’s what democracy is.”

Apparently that’s no longer what democracy is, because of course that democratic condition for holding a referendum was handsomely fulfilled in May’s Holyrood election when not only did the SNP and the Greens stand with explicit and unequivocal manifesto commitments to another independence referendum and by a substantial margin won those votes in the Parliament that Ruth Davidson spoke about, but the Labour party, the Tories and the Lib Dems all stood on explicit platforms of opposition to another referendum and between them failed to come close to holding a majority of seats in the Scottish Parliament despite a suspiciously well funded tactical voting campaign which aimed at depriving the pro-independence parties of victory.

According to the Conservatives, democracy in Scotland is no longer to be determined by the outcome of Scottish elections, it is to be determined by the Conservatives’ interpretation of opinion polls over an indefinite and open ended time scale to be decided by whatever happens to suit their interests at a given moment.

Frankly who cares whether Alister Jack supports holding another referendum or not. He yet again reminded Scotland that we’ve already had a referendum and in his view the matter was decided, however he seems a whole lot less keen to remember the promises and commitments that his party and the other British nationalists made to the people of Scotland in order to secure a no vote. The uncomfortable truth that Jack and his Tory friends refuse to acknowledge or accept is that if he and his party had been sincere in those promises and had actually ensured that they had been kept, then he wouldn’t currently be having to fend off questions from journalists about whether Scotland should have another referendum and to come up with excuses in an attempt to disguise his and his party’s fundamental contempt for the will of the people of Scotland as expressed by the only recognised and accepted means we have for assessing such things, the result of a democratic election. We do not have government by opinion poll in this country.

Scotland has already decided that it wants another referendum. That’s what the May election for the Scottish Parliament was all about. Whether or not to have another referendum was by far and away the most important issue in that election. For the Scottish Conservatives opposing another referendum was the only issue. For that they won a mere 21.9% of the constituency vote and just 23.5% of the regional list vote. That’s a loss in any democrat’s book, but not apparently Alister Jack’s.

Ever since May’s election the Conservatives and their British nationalist allies have done their utmost to delegitimise the result, trying to gaslight the people of Scotland that they hadn’t actually been voting about whether or not to hold another independence referendum when the question of another independence referendum was the sole campaigning issue for the Scottish Conservatives. Alister Jack’s appeal to opinion polling is merely another attempt to undermine and attack Scottish democracy, a desperate attempt to pretend that the victory for the SNP and the Greens in May doesn’t give Holyrood a mandate to hold another referendum.

The Conservatives and their allies don’t have anything like enough support in Holyrood to prevent a referendum. Whether Alister Jack supports another referendum or not is irrelevant. Whatever spurious conditions he comes up with are irrelevant. The people of Scotland have spoken, there is going to be another referendum.

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148 comments on “Alister Jack’s amazing mobile goalposts

  1. Never Trust a Tory. 60% will never be achieved because guess who owns the polling companies?

  2. scottish skier says:

    Unionists only managed 55% last time.

    UK clearly not the settled will of Scots then!

    Side note. With the annual ‘secret’ SNP membership numbers reported by the EC the other day, a graph of these for reference below when faced with those erm ‘real independence supporters’ operating in the south of England, that claim membership has ‘collapsed to as low as 50k’.

  3. scottish skier says:

    On the ‘should there be an iref in the next 5 years’ question, an ‘overwhelming majority’ ((c) UK conservatives) or more have supported this since the beginning of 2020.

  4. grizebard says:

    “Goalpost moving” – could it possibly become a new event at this autumn’s highland games to challenge caber tossing, I wonder…? {grin}

  5. Alan says:

    Jack is about as relevant to Scotland as two coke cans and a length o string is to modern communications (stolen quote). He is meant to represent Scotland at cabinet level. Defend our position. But hey no he would rather side with his rich landowner friends, and tory policy wether it harms Scotland or not. He is no Scot. Time he stood up for Scotland or stood aside.

    • Christopher Rosindale says:

      After watching, no doubt with horror, their boss betray the DUP over the Union only 6 months after he told them that he wouldn’t, the Scottish Tories must be scared stiff that Johnson will decide that Scottish Independence is in his personal interests, and agree to Indyref2 despite their objections. Being only 6 MPs in a majority of 79, and that’s before the 48 SNP MPs are factored in, and with polls showing growing apathy towards the Union among English Tory voters, there would be nothing that Jack and his few colleagues could do to stop him…. The result? Jack and his colleagues end up in tears on referendum night as their country implodes in front of them, and Johnson and co. shrug their shoulders and say “bye boys, but you’re not our problem any more. Goodbye….”

      This has to be the reason why the Scottish Tories have become so obedient and quiet about Johnson’s actions. They are so terrified that offending him will lead to losing Indyref2 that they just dare not cross him. It is pathetic to watch.

    • Dr Jim says:

      He’s never going to stand up for Scotland, it’s not in his breeding don’tcha know, our Scottish border lands are full of his type, the sick ones come for the free benefits and the rich ones come for the free benefits then pretend the country they left behind is funding those free benefits

      England, a country with a government that taxes a state pensioners spare room, yeah they’re the good guys alright, of course their role model is their Queen who tops the free benefit recipient table

      • Dr Jim says:

        After a request to the English government to overrule the Scottish government to bring her properties in Scotland up to the correct green standard the English Queen has decided she will make an appearance at COP 26 in Glasgow, I fervently hope Greta Thunberg turns up and lays right into Englands and her hypocrisy over their lies about their green credentials

  6. Theresa May offered to hold a second EU referendum in 2019, three years after the first.
    She had no electoral mandate of any sort, and was leader of a minority government.
    She did not have to wait 40 years to fo so.
    She was not required to have polling support of 60%+ for a “long period”!

    Democracy only works if the rules are clear, specific, and applicable to all!

    If different rules are applied to a geographically differentiated, minority population, then that is colonialism.

  7. Christopher Rosindale says:

    It must now be dawning on Jack, Gove and co. that Brexit might just lead to the break-up of the UK, and the shattering of the British identity after 300+ years.

    Scared stiff that the end result will be convulsions as the Tories struggle to work out what being only ‘English’ is in the 22st Century (small , weak and irrelevant), and with reputations and social standing at stake in the inevitable blame game, the Tories are just desperate to prevent Indyref2 in case they lose, and get plunged into this crisis….

    It is pure cowardice on their part, nothing more.

  8. Del G says:

    Brexit was just a dream. At only 52%, it wasn’t the settled will of the people. I can see a Bobby Ewing moment as we find it was all a mistake, and in fact it never happened.

    • grizebard says:

      If only. Too much wishful thinking, alas. You may well be right though that more and more people will come to realise what a catastrophic misjudgement that was, even if underwritten by a slim English popular majority at the time, but on what timescale?

      I seem to recall that at the time of the Suez Crisis, “the country” was about equally divided for and against, but nowadays you will find scarce anyone who thinks it was a good idea. And this current misjudgement far outranks that last-gasp imperial debacle. I put it on the same scale as over 200 years ago, the woeful mishandling and subsequent loss of the American colonies.

      The malignant effects are only now beginning to be manifest, and have a very long way to go yet. Hopefully though we in Scotland will shortcircuit that situation long before, and lead the way forward to escape the worst of it. If so, generations to come will have cause to thank us for our great good sense.

  9. scottish skier says:

    Good stuff.

    ‘Faithful friend’ Emmanuel Macron backs Ireland on Brexit

    Speaking at a joint press conference in Dublin with the Taoiseach Micheal Martin, Mr Macron said that “Europe will remain united” on the implementation of the Brexit divorce deal and the controversial Northern Ireland protocol

  10. James Mills says:

    I hear the arguments that the English Tories may be happy to cut Scotland loose or that Johnson , the principled Statesman that he is ( pause for laughter ), may do to Scotland what he is doing to N.Ireland ( casting adrift and couldn’t give a f*ck ! ) but I fear that more pragmatic voices will prevail in the heart of the Westminster Establishment .

    As many on here often state the rUK/Engerland is F*cked big time if they lose the assets and resources of Scotland . Engerland and those who have traditionally run the UK ( for their own betterment ) cannot afford to cut us adrift like the Irish .

    The Irish ARE a drain on the UK and basically have nothing that the UK needs ( harsh but true !) but Scotland is a whole different kettle of fish and oil and gas and timber and water and renewables etc… and Engerland will be radically diminished if those ”verminous Scots ” are allowed to walk away , Scot free , so to speak !

    So Alister Jack and his masters down south ( and it is NOT Johnson the Clown ) will be delving through their Big Bumper Book of Nasty Surprises that they have accumulated over hundreds of years of stealing other countries’ assets and planning the best way of lancing the Independence boil before it bursts .

    So we must be vigilant , resolute and above and all united ( Better Together even ? ) in the face of the continuing onslaught on our Country , our Parliament , our Government and our right to self determination .

  11. Hamish100 says:

    I think Jack believes when 62% of voters in Scotland didn’t want Brexit it failed to reach the threshold. When the majority of MP’s are SNP we get a Tory SoS and the shadow Secretary is labour. This is the Democratic deficit facing us.
    30% of the English votes decides the fate of Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    It’s not EVEL English Votes for English Laws. It is just England dictates.

  12. pmac555 says:

    Another piece of well thought out and relevant analysis

  13. Bob Lamont says:

    An excellent synopsis. The only people paying the slightest attention to Alister Jack’s pontifications are the media.
    The public, as usual, disregard his flouncing as an irrelevance, even more so than Gove, DRoss et al, but what puzzled me initially was why anybody asked his opinion.
    Only when a journalist raised a question on it at the latest Covid Update (yeah, the non political Update) that the penny dropped, the Tories are desperate to distract from the Greens vote today on their pact with SNP.

    Read the National piece on it titled “Scottish independence: Nicola Sturgeon gives withering response to Alister Jack”, the btl comments dominated by the “Why are we not there yet ?” crowd (as seems to be the norm these days).

    Surprised to find no mention of it anywhere on the BBC web pages, HMS Sarah Smith seem more interested in promoting their “Scotland records huge increase in daily Covid cases” with comments open for rent-a-gobs to descend for their usual “We hate Nicola” session.
    Not so keen on highlighting England’s dire straits, or Scotland when they perform better, can’t have SG being seen as successful.

    As you eloquently summarised ” The people of Scotland have spoken, there is going to be another referendum”.

  14. Marc says:

    Looks like the DUP changing their leader (twice) is the equivalent of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic; they are down to fourth in the latest poll.

    Border poll was done as well but that’s not been released yet.

    • scottish skier says:

      The English excuse for continuing to occupy N. Ireland was always that ‘most people there are unionist’. Yet the unionists no longer dominate. They have not won a majority of the vote in an election for years now.

      The unionist vote used to be 75% odd; it has fallen very, very far. Just like in Scotland, the young are not British. But then they’re not quite Irish either, but N. Irish.

      As a result, the republicans have not reached 50% yet either; the neutral Alliance now takes the no mans land votes.

      My feeling is that N. Ireland will leave the UK, but not directly join the republic. Instead it will be an autonomous N. Ireland for a while still, but with oversight from the republic and Europe / the US. This process has already started with the border down the Irish sea. The economic relationship is now transitioning quickly to be one dominated by trade with Ireland and the EU through an open border. This in turn will link the two ever closer again culturally / socially.

    • scottish skier says:

      I’ve plotted up what I have and it looks like support for reunification is at baseline in N. Ireland too recently. Due to cross into permanent majority in around 2023.

      Upper bound is about 53% Yes on average for this year, i.e. what we might see polls show if events caused the wavering to hop on board.

      I will upload the graph when I have the latest point, although it won’t change much.

  15. bringiton says:

    Unfortunately,we are just going to have to accept that England will never agree to losing it’s grip on Scotland.
    They will only concede to a show of democratic process if they are guaranteed an outcome in their favour.
    Cameron’s advisors on Scotland thought they had the outcome of indy ref1 in the bag but came close to losing it.
    They will never agree to a repeat on those terms as a result.
    So…..the question is,how do we force their hand or at least make them irrelevant in the eyes of the global community?

    • scottish skier says:

      I don’t believe for a second that the Scottish government fear these utterly incompetent imbeciles.

      The former are only concerned about making sure that on the day of iref2, that Scots are finally behind them and the result a forgone conclusion. This is of course key to what our allies think too; if it is the settled will of Scots they will be open to it.

      We do face a problem in that we just can’t trust any deal with the UK until such time as the English grow sick of the failures they put at the helm, and who ruined they country.

      So we must look to our neighbours first and foremost. It is they that matter the most as they decide whether we are welcomed into the world, not England.

      As an aside, Afghanistan shows how you just cannot ‘force’ a government on a people, either internally of form outside. 20 years of ‘occupation’ and the moment the troops are gone, the Taliban are back.

      At the same time, the Taliban will shortly learn that they can never sleep easy in their beds by forced rule. The tables have turned; they will now face constant attacks and roadside bombs, but they will soon lack all the western stuff they love, like mobile phones, running water and power as these all go off due to a lack of money and expertise. I wouldn’t be surprised if they retreat from Kabul back to the mountains within a few months as the locals turn on them.

    • grizebard says:

      Sorry, I just don’t buy into the “almighty English Empire” thing. Look at the trail of retreats after the trail of deceits. It’s down to the people of Scotland, no more, no less. Our presence may be inconvenient for London, but once we decide to go, it will just have to lump it.

      It’s deciding to go that is the key. Everything else follows.

  16. Alec Lomax says:

    Independence for Somerset is good for a chuckle: he peruses WGD then comments about it on SGP. He must find James’s blogs boring !

    • Dr Jim says:

      We live rent free inside his head and he hates us as much as he hates Nicola Sturgeon so we’re in illustrious company, I’m quite chuffed to be hated that much by the idiots, it shows we count

  17. Capella says:

    Scottish Parliament ebulletin with dates of next week’s debates e.g. the debate on the agreement with the Scottish Greens on Tuesday afternoon.

  18. Capella says:

    Andrew Neil in the Daily Express is incandescent about the SNP/SG agreement. Brilliant Header (click to enlarge for the immortal “EcoZealot Marxists”. At last. A political alliance to counter the Anglo Norman Eco Thugs.

    • Statgeek says:

      Then there’s Neil:

      Anti-Self Determination

      What price will Britain’s media pay for giving up their principles and becoming sycophants for useless Westminster governments?

      Very easy, these random criticisms. Seems that if that’s the level of top journalism, anyone can do it.

  19. Capella says:

    Archive version for your enjoyment, it was the Daily Mail not the Express. The text on the tweet wasn’t very readable.
    ANDREW NEIL: Anti-monarchy. Anti-Britain. Anti-wealth. As Nicola Sturgeon joins forces with the Greens in her hunger for independence, what price will Scotland pay for giving power to eco-zealot Marxists?

    • scottish skier says:

      Now that the SNP have joined forces with the ‘anti-wealth extremist Marxist leftie liberal’ Greens, are they still the ‘right wing NEW SNP’ who are ‘in the thrall of the corporate lobbyists?’

      Certainly, they can’t be the ‘Tartan Tories’, the ‘New SNP’ and ‘Marxists’ all at the same time.

      I cannot help but feel unionists are a bit confused in their message.

      • Alex Clark says:

        The entire article is confused.

        “She knows the SNP dominates Scottish politics because of its grip on conservative middle Scotland, to which the Greens don’t appeal.

        But she has agreed to take her government further to the left with an even bigger state and much more public spending.”

        These two statements are incompatible.

      • Statgeek says:

        ‘No mandate’ and ‘a one party state’ (or can’t they throw that last one out now?), all at the same time.

        The ability for the Scottish Government to be all nasty things to all the London media is amazing.

    • Alex Clark says:

      Almost 3000 comments on that article, gammon heads exploding right across the entirety of the living rooms of Little Englander with outraged hatred for the scrounging jocks and their Marxist politicians.

      We really do get up their noses hahaha

      • grizebard says:

        It just gets better and better. There’s absolutely nothing the gammons can do about it, and everybody can see that. I’m likin’ it!

    • grizebard says:

      Thank you. What an effusion of bile. (The side pieces on the various Kardashians must have been welcome relief for the regular readership.)

      I wonder if it has ever dawned on Andra Neil that it’s his own politics and Clarksonesque-attitudes that’s propelling people in the diametrically opposite direction….

    • iusedtobeenglish says:

      I was very struck by the comment that Scottish Greens are led by “inexperienced chancers”.

      So doesn’t that make them more like ukgov than we thought? 🙂

  20. yesindyref2 says:

    Interesting piece by Indy-curious Brian Taylor in the Herald, where he states the Green ministers would not be part of the cabinet.

    I think that would be a mistake. There’s either a pact – or there isn’t a pact.

    Currently the SNP enjoy minority government. With the Greens the pact enjoys overall majority government, that not only gives it a stability from the point of governance, it gives it a legitimacy more than a minority government could do.

    And that makes any legislation it comes up with, more authentic – more unchallengeable. As with all these things you have to go to the extreme to consider these things. if for instance 129 SNP MSPs had been elected in May, who on earth could challenge whatever they wanted to do in Holyrood? If an overall majority, say 70 to 58, then again, an overall majority is hard to refuse, as Cameron found out in 2012 – faced with an overall majority of SNP MSPs of 68 to 60.

    Between them the SNP and Greens have an overall majority of 71 to 57.

    And getting back to the beginning of the circle, that’s why the two Green ministers should be treated as a full part of the government – and be in the Cabinet.

    • grizebard says:

      (Is ex-BBC Brian genuinely “indy-curious”? Just wonderin’…)

      Administratively, only senior portfolio holders sit in Cabinet, junior ministers don’t. And it’s not a formal coalition, more like the old Lib-Lab pact down south, but already far more generous to the minority party. Still, if only for political show you could be right. Maybe on both sides though they’re just being cautious in how to proceed, see how it works out. They’ve certainly spent quite a bit of time and effort arranging this between them, so nothing’s accidental.

    • Alex Clark says:

      It’s possible that both sides see an advantage in keeping some distance between them, after all, they appear to have as much they don’t agree on as areas that they do agree on.

  21. James Mills says:

    Alister Jack is just another in a long line from The Sore Losers Party who will rail against ANYTHING associated with the SNP , Scottish Government or Independence .

    The Sore Losers Party has several branches in Scotland and is promoted by their spokespersons who are associate members of The Foot-in -Mouth Club , whose president , Murdo Fraser ,has set a high standard of numptiness for his members to aim for , ‘though it must be said that Alex Coal-Scuttle and Jackie Baillie are continually pushing for the top spot !

    The Sore Losers Party is well financed by the Dark Money Group , and is constantly given unchallenged access to broadcasting by a failing organisation , BBC Shortbread , which has allowed their numpty spokespersons to become an integral part of their nightly Political Broadcasts at 6.00pm an 9 pm .

  22. scottish skier says:

    Hire UK workers to drive lorries, minister tells firms

    This is nuts. The UK has an acute labour shortage across multiple sectors with relatively few people out of work. If we train some people who are currently e.g. delivery van drivers to drive larger HGVs, then we’ll have a delivery van driver shortage. If chefs, carers, waiting staff… whatever replace the missing van drivers, the staff shortages are shifted to these professions. The problem cannot be solved by moving it around.

    1.3m skilled EU expats fled the fundamentalist English conservatives following their rapid advance across England in 2019. That’s what’s missing. These people can’t be magically replaced as they would not have been here previously if they were not a key part of the economic pyramid where every brick at every level, from cleaner to CEO, is equally needed for it to function.

    You can’t shrink the working population by 2%+ and have the same size of economy. It must shrink by at least the same, and that will be painful with high unemployment as the whole thing slowly readjusts. The only way for the UK to stop a painful, labour shortage driven recession, is to immediately reintroduce full free movement. And even that is probably too late; people just don’t want to come and suffer the racist abuse etc.

    No country on earth as ever boomed as skilled workers fled in their millions. It’s nonsensical.

    ‘Hire Iranian workers to drive lorries, minister tells firms!’ is what the hardline Tories there say as all their skilled young people desperately try to escape to the west.

    • bringiton says:

      They could always try the Taliban.
      Now that they have rid Afghanistan of the infidels,they will be looking for something to do.
      Or perhaps the Leeward Islands might help out as they did in the past when England needed bus drivers.

  23. Capella says:

    Interesting interview with Paul Mason on GMS. Paul has a new book out – How to Stop Fascism: History, Ideology, Resistance – which looks at the causes of fascism. Basically he boils it down to “Fear of Freedom”.
    I think that’s a useful take on the opposition to Scottish Independence – fear of freedom. The unionists are anti-democratic (and therefore fascist) because they fear the freedom that independence brings. They want a strong leader (Boris Johnston 😂) to protect them from the eco-marxists.
    Starts at 48:58

    • grizebard says:

      See what you mean about the headline – it seems to belong to a different article entirely. Or even a different universe, one inhabited only by the Daily Slug.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Och ma sides, “You have probably all seen this”, Daily Express… 🤣 I read it and got as far as Ruskell opining that the change away from the 2002 RO model in 2017 “had a devastating impact” on Scotland… Strange that nobody really noticed 4 years ago…

      What the public have increasingly become aware of however which is pivotal to the viability and thereby progress of renewables in Scotland long preceded 2017, grid transmission charges, the highest in all Europe…
      Will that change when the undersea connector north-south is completed ? Not a hope.
      Scotland’s only interconnector is to NI, all the interconnectors to Europe are from England, Baldrick had a cunning plan perhaps ?

      Granted, Ruskell recognises independence is the only way to unlock Scotland from it’s current ludicrous position, but let’s not kid ourselves 2017 was pivotal – London has long been the real “subsidy sponger”.
      Remove the punative transmission charges and there would be a queue of investors outside Holyrood the following day.

      • Alex Clark says:

        “Remove the punative transmission charges and there would be a queue of investors outside Holyrood the following day.”

        That of course is the main hurdle to investment in renewables in Scottish territory, particularly Offshore.

        I’m not surprised in the slightest that so far, Westminster shows no inclination anytime soon to change things that would then favour development of renewables in Scottish waters over English.

        • grizebard says:

          It’s the hidden “frenemy factor”. The thing blinkered delusional PSBs – and not only them – constantly fail to see. It’s beyond traditional UKGov carelessness, ignorance and neglect; at times deliberate action is taken that’s to our clear detriment, so as not to change the balance of power within the UK to the disadvantage of London. England has to stay on top, even if overall it’s sub-optimal for everyone.

          In this case, they don’t want everyone north and south to see that we’re sourcing the electricity they badly need.

          My redoubtable American aunt observed it unprompted at the time of Gartcosh – perfectly viable but deliberately put out of commission so that as an independent entity it couldn’t compete with the remaining British Steel plants down south.

          • Alex Clark says:

            To see a steel mill rebuilt in Scotland, serving the requirements of the offshore renewables sector and a possibly rejuvenated shipbuilding industry somewhat like Norway’s would be fantastic and is perfectly possible with the political will.

            For that, Scotland will need Independence first.

          • Bob Lamont says:

            Aye, your aunt was spot on.

        • Bob Lamont says:

          Agreed on “that would then favour development of renewables in Scottish waters over English” but with England’s energy yield a pittance by comparison, they’re going to run out of sea rapidly.

          England’s wind farms are I suspect London hedging it’s bets over Scotland unshackling itself and having at least some capacity left in reserve, then there’s Hinkley 🙄
          WT’s link upthread claimed it is only peak demands which require energy imports, and although my memory may be hazy on the stats, I recall it being 20 out of 24 hours peak about 10 years ago, and electric heating is far from the norm across the population.

          That brings me neatly to my old hobby-horse, energy conservation – The UK could have halved it’s energy consumption decades ago via a National insulation campaign, but didn’t, why ? They remain in thrall (and probably behoved) to the energy companies by not reducing consumption because of revenues, a vicious cycle of self-interest and revenue streams which do SFA on the environmental front.
          They introduced the idea of driving down costs by “opening up the market” to competition. Sadly of late I’ve seen Romania go through the same “scam”, so it is not just a British problem over revenue streams. I crunched the numbers, and the savings were ca 0.05%. My modern house additional insulation 3 year ago saved me 50% then and every year since.

          Energy in England is a huge problem because of greed hiding behind political dogma, we can’t change their dogma but we can change our government to Scotland and blaze a new trail for England to grudgingly follow. Erasing fuel poverty might also be a damned good start…

          • grizebard says:

            The “competition” dogma. It was a farce right from the start, as if most real people would ever go shopping for electricity like for the groceries. Bonkers. Among other anti-benefits, basically gets in the way of any serious co-ordinated long-term thinking, which is essential for the energy sector above all.

            I’m no doctrinaire socialist, but that is one thing that should be re-nationalised as a priority post-indy. I don’t see any evidence that “playing footsie” in the energy sector like that has brought any advantages.

            • Bob Lamont says:

              Essential public utilities and services must be run on a not for profit basis and frankly free from political interference or fluence.
              Look at England’s NHS, it’s scandalous what the Tories and Labour have done.

  24. Christopher Rosindale says:

    Jack’s statement might have had credibility had his own party not:

    1) Failed to set a minimum support threshold for Scottish Independence in 2014.
    2) Failed to set a minimum support threshold for Brexit in 2016.

    In neither case was there majority support for either Yes or Leave before either referendum was called…….

    As others on here have remarked, it was because they thought that both referendum outcomes were a slam-dunk in their favour and were arrogant and complacent to high-heaven. So they thought that a simple majority outcome was fine in both cases…….

    Sorry Alister, but you cannot drag the entire UK out of Europe, ruining thousands of lives, causing chaos throughout the economy, and making us a pitied, global laughing stock in the process on only a 2% majority, then insist on a 10% majority support as a condition for even holding Indyref2!

    Why? Because it makes you look:

    1) Arrogant – again.
    2) Complacent – again.
    3) Deluded – as the myth of English Exceptionalism is exposed as just that – a myth – in the eyes of Scots.
    4) Scared stiff of the massive political crisis which a majority Yes vote would cause in Westminster (Johnson gets dumped as PM, vicious, unpredictable Tory leadership contest, armed forces leaders scream at the loss of Faslane, a large chunk of the Army and the entire Northern UK airspace, and growing insecurities about England’s future, smaller place in the world cause deep, angry and painful convulsions in the Tory party) and so your desperation to avoid that outcome by trying to rig the voting conditions beforehand only makes your fear more obvious.

    We are not stupid up here….

  25. Christopher Rosindale says:

    In other news, the SNP/Greens Partnership is on after Green Party members back it at their EGM this afternoon:

    • Alex Clark says:

      I think that’s a very good result for Patrick Harvey and Lorna Slater, ignoring those that abstained in the vote (1.1%), then 89% of members at the EGM were in support of the deal.

  26. Me Bungo Pony says:

    Apropos of nothing, it seems the Daily Express isn’t even trying to hide the fact it is lying to its readership any more (perhaps it just assumes they will swallow any old tripe to remain “loyal”).

    In their story with the headline “Sturgeon’s independence bid derailed as Westminster ‘pulling rug’ from under Scotland”, there is no mention AT ALL of Westminster pulling the rug from underneath Scotland’s independence bid. It is a story entirely devoted to the argument for Scotland getting more power over its own energy production.

    The only mention of rugs is when it states;
    The Renewables Obligation (RO) closed to all new generating capacity in 2017 and was replaced by the Contracts for Difference (CfD) scheme. According to Mr Ruskell this had a devastating impact on Scotland. He said: “At the time, that led to a collapse in many projects in Scotland. Projects that were in the right place, that had gone through the right planning system, but suddenly THE RUG GOT PULLED OUT FROM UNDER THAT INDUSTRY. And as a result growth in off-shore wind has stagnated in the last few years, so there are some advantages in having some energy policy brought fully to the Scottish Parliament.”

    Another example of the headline basically being a lie and bearing little/no relation to the story. Not that anyone on this site will be in the least bit surprised by that.

    Anyway …. as you were.

  27. Capella says:

    SNP members have overwhelmingly endorsed the SNP/Greens agreement. 94.9% YES.

    • Alex Clark says:

      The 5% that didn’t support the deal will have much in common with SNP members that for whatever reason don’t support Independence.

  28. Capella says:

  29. DonDon says:

    “There’s probably a word for it in German. ”

    There certainly is a word for it in Greek.

    It starts with “hypo” and ends with “crisy”

  30. Dr Jim says:

    Unionists Abla ists Journalists all extremely angry that our Scottish governmental party *the SNP* that believes in proportional representation in government shares power and decision making with another political party *the Green party* that supports saving the planet

    Is cult the new word for democracy and it’s just the opposition just can’t spell it

    • Welsh_Siôn says:

      Dear Scotland,

      I thought they believed in a ‘super majority for independence’.

      Please advise.


      A Confused Welshy

    • robert harrison says:

      Let them foam at the mouth this means this play has more pros than cons if they are all turning feral at this that andrew neil muck in the mail thats just English nationalist bluster to hode the fear that Scotland is a pro independence majority government and independence isnt all about the snp that cards gone up in smoke now so neils trying the extremist card desperate very desperate and jack moving the goal posts like an Englander who is losing a game its why they always say that the snp election wins dont count yet conservatives do its all that to suit them so they never seen as the losers.

    • grizebard says:

      Oh, to think it could once have been the LibDems “keeping the SNP in check”. But they were too proud, so were duly relegated by history to nobodies. That’s what happens when you’re an ultra-precious tail without a dog.

      And yes, a lot of empty platitudes over the Climate Crisis now being exposed by this SNP+Green deal. “Shock and horror” now that the Greens will have actual representation in government in Scotland to address such issues. What with COP26 looming and all. There is hypocrisy, and BritNat hypocrisy-on-steroids. Though it’s all getting a bit obvious these days, wouldn’t you say…?

  31. yesindyref2 says:

    There’s been a few unionists and fake indy supporters trying to scupper this deal for obvious reasons, but the SNP members and Green members have proven themselves immune to such deceit.

    Not just that, but the votes are an overwhelming vote of confidence by the members for the leadership of both parties – and there will always be those who quite rightly are wary of such deals, specially after the demise of the LibDems.

    So, to the unionists and fake indy “trolls”, wherever you are, ya boo sucks.

    • Welsh_Siôn says:

      Dear Scotland (Part II),

      Lib-Lab Pact, 1970s, UK Government – Good
      Lib Dem-Lab Pact, 2010s, Welsh Government – Good
      Independent-Lab Pact, 2010s, Welsh Government – Good
      Lib Dem-Independent-Lab Pact, 2010s, Welsh Government – Good

      SNP-Green Pact, 2021, Scottish Government – Baaaaaad

      Please advise on the inconsistency.


      A (Still) Confused Welshy

  32. Golfnut says:

    Much of the rhetoric to come regards Scotland’s ( not Englands) oil industry will come from britland agitators. Most of it will be directed at closing down the industry( despite the fact that the industry is actually gearing up for another 50 yrs of production)and pre indyref will change to Scotland’s inability to survive without it.
    This is the reality and why westminster could never close it down.

    • robert harrison says:

      Then just show the Alister darling as chancellor to gordzilla Brown in 08 of how Scotlands oil has underwritten the uk failure to balance the books for decades as its on Westminsters record on may 29th 2008 at them and say no England wouldn’t survive without Scotlands oil revenues hence why your so desperate to keep Scotland at any cost hit back at them we wasnt counter attacking enough last time we have to be more aggressive when those opportunities come up as the English still underestimate us scots by thinking we are just dumb savages thats another weakness to exploit come the campaign.

  33. yesindyref2 says:

    I think most people know, whether YES or NO or anywhere in-between, that now is NOT the time. apart from those who ignore everything else around them apart from the clear fact that Indy Ref 2 isn’t happening, well, NOW, as in next month.

    Apart from weddings, holidays, family, and maybe Christmas if there’s any turkeys left. Scotland’s GDP dived during the pandemic, and it’ll take a long long time to recover – years.

    Oh WAIT, apparently not. Scotland’s GDP is expected to be back to pre-pandemic levels in the first half of 2022, and this is according to the independent Scottish Fiscal Commision – whose establishment rightly delighted the LibDems and probably Labour as well as the Tories.

    There was NOTHING about this in the Herald or elsewhere I presume, but luckily for us it was spotted by the eagle eyes of newsnet.

    I’ve only now started looking at newsnet again – I was more interested in carefully watching the negatives than the positives, but it is moving towards the time, and the time might be the first half of 2022 to get the ball rolling.

    Indy Ref 2 real soon now.

  34. Capella says:

    Oops… a new report claims the number of Scottish Tory voters who support independence could be higher than actual members of the party.
    A Common Weal study in The National

  35. Capella says:

    The National again – Ruth Wishart’s excellent article on the d’Hondt system which throws up gems like Annie Wells

    At the last election, not only did the Tories come right out and only ask for your second vote, but, for the hard of thinking, they even told you which colour to look out for. Presumably colour blind voters would just have to take their chances.

  36. Capella says:

    Last National article – a follow up to the Common Weal study which looks at factors influencing the support for YES among different demograhics. Curiously, although it mentions the dip in support from January 2021 it doesn’t mention the relentless anti Sturgeon/SNP campaign surrounding the Harassment Committee and ministerial code investigations a a possible cause.Perhaps the full study does look at that.

    Peter Bell comments with a full blog article himself btl but you won’t see that in the archive version thankfully.

  37. Dr Jim says:

    For the first time ever I watched around 30 minutes of GB News and I sincerely regret subjecting myself to what appeared to be a Tory childrens show designed and written by Jacob Rees Moggs sprogs aimed at dumbing down the already dumb, kinda like the Express newspaper does but for the intellect level of the Joey Essex fan club

    GB News offered the English nation their description of the SNP Green deal this morning and it was the most un researched off the cuff pile of invented drivel so far, it was as though they’d read a few right wing opinions on social media then formed words around that to present it as their own pile of drivel, it’s no wonder this programme is less popular than bad cartoons

  38. Welsh_Siôn says:

    Scary and dispiriting in equal measure:

    Food, beer, toys, medical kit. Why is Britain running out of everything?

    Tom Wall & Phillip Inman

    Sun, 29 August 2021, 7:00 am·11-min read

  39. Welsh_Siôn says:

    News from other parts of the Disunited Kingdumb:

    68% in Northern Ireland want referendum on leaving the UK

    29 Aug 2021 2 minute Read

    68% of people in Northern Ireland want a referendum on whether they stay in the UK or join the Republic of Ireland, according to a new poll.

    37% wanted a referendum within the next five years while 31% wanted one further out. Only 29% felt there should never be such a referendum.


    • scottish skier says:

      68% of people in Northern Ireland want a referendum on whether they stay in the UK or join the Republic of Ireland, according to a new poll.

      Someone tell Alistair ‘60%’ Jack. Time for Westminster to authorise a border poll.

    • scottish skier says:

      As promised previously, the long term trend in Irish reunification polling (yearly averages with no single pollster bias, unless it was the only one that year!).

      There is much less data for NI, so that caveat applies, but the trend is very similar to that for Scotland:

    • Statgeek says:

      These time-based questions just obfuscate the issue. Do the people want one or not. Then it’s up to the politicians and pressure groups to get to delivering one or going away and letting the people get on with things.

      Do the people of the UK want Brexit to happen in the next 5, 10 or 20 years, or not at all? Bet that one was interesting in the years prior to the vote, and prior to the final countdown. Don’t remember seeing it, but then there was so much wall to wall Brexit news from 2015-2020, a lot of bad news got buried in the rush.

      • Marc says:

        Yea I agree especially when the time scales are so wide. 37% want a border poll within ‘the next five years but that covers everyone from someone who wants a border poll as soon as humanly possible to someone who wants one in 2026. To be of any use question needs to break down into smaller segments ie in the next two years, 2-3 years 3-5 years.

        Headline figures for the poll were 54/46 remain in union/united Ireland (49/42/9 inc dk)

      • grizebard says:

        These time-based questions just obfuscate the issue. Do the people want one or not? Then it’s up to the politicians and pressure groups to get to delivering one or going away and letting the people get on with things.

        Couldn’t agree more.

        We’re not even sure what these polls are actually measuring. The degree to which people with busy lives and other concerns are paying attention to “background noise”, just as likely.

        There’s already more than enough demand to justify a new referendum. It’s “unfinished business”, and everyone knows it.

  40. Dr Jim says:

    It matters not what you said or didn’t say, an online blog isn’t a court where evidence is presented in an unbiased way to achieve a fair judgement on a matter, an online blog is opinion based on the preferences of the blogger, if you agree you’re in, if you disagree you’re out and off you go elsewhere
    In my experience the difference on this particular blog is that you may disagree until such time as you become abusive non factual or just a nuisance in general annoying and arguing with other contributors before you may be subjected to a ban, other blogs may have their own set of rules that exclude all who disagree and prefer those who abuse those who disagree with the bloggers views
    I express my own opinion here and not in any way speak for Pauls opinion or his criteria in managing this blog except to say I have found Wee Ginger Dug to be a place of reasonable friendly people exchanging opinions and views and nonsense from time to time (generally my nonsense) without rancour towards others who contribute, except for the odd zoomer who Paul sees off if they become overly keen on (negative campaigning) on behalf of the opposition

    Fortunately the world is not the internet ( which is as good as it’s bad) and it’s only us geeky types who sometimes pay more attention to it than is good for us, don’t lose sleep over it

    • scottish skier says:

      As noted, I just wanted to let people see what I actually wrote, rather than them having to rely on being told this was ‘unpleasant harassment for weeks’ without getting to actually see my actual words.

      ‘if you agree you’re in, if you disagree you’re out and off you go elsewhere’

      As per the document I posted and comments therein, I completely agree.

      • Alex Montrose says:

        I think it’s a bit below the belt that a blogger should use his blog to bad mouth a poster, like what is happening to you SS.
        I was blocked by the Wings mannie in Dec, Kelly blocked me earlier this year, but when the Grouse Bleater blocked me , he called me a “drunken wife beater” no need for that shite at all.
        They Alba’s eh, what are they like.

  41. Capella says:

    I read your correspondence and I must say you appear to be a model of restraint and good manners. I’m glad you got your refund.

    But I do hope this dispute won’t spill over to WGD because we have managed to avoid those internecine battles so far. I wouldn’t want us to waste our time attacking each other when there is a real enemy at the gate.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Hear hear

    • scottish skier says:

      I agree, and as noted, I posted only my own words in my own defense, as I just wanted to let folks judge my character fairly as noted. I have been welcomed onto this forum, and for me, it is important to show those that made me welcome that I don’t have anything to hide, especially when I see comments on the indyweb suggesting I don’t conduct myself well ‘in private’ circulating again.

      If for some reason Paul ever wanted me to stop posting, he / the mod team would just have to ask. 🙂

  42. Welsh_Siôn says:

    Trident nuclear weapons could end up in Wales within three years of Scottish independence

    29 Aug 2021 2 minute Read

    The UK’s barrage of nuclear weapons might end up in Wales within three years of Scottish independence.



    If you don’t want ’em, we don’t want ’em, either.

    – Member of SNP and Plaid Cymru

  43. yesindyref2 says:

    Ross, you have to stand back and see things from other peoples’ eyes. People who are neutral and not involved – and try to decide what they see, and what they would think. It happens to me in the Herald, and as soon as anyone trying to reduce my credibility goes too far, perhaps with an over the top insult or an obvious lie, my job there is done and I leave that person to howl at the moon. I perhaps “quote” it, with a small comment like QED. My interest isn’t in that person, who could be a bot for all we know, it’s in what the impartial and perhaps undecided reader will see and think of the interchange.

    Observation is the key, and if you see a blog article with 8 comments on it, 6 from one “person” and only 2 from others, none of them actually about the article, it’s safe to assume there’s a reason others aren’t posting any more, and the blog has gone very quiet. Mostly it’s Gollum, but also few really like inter-blog disputes – it’s all about different viewpoints and weighing one against the other.

    The short version is – don’t worry about it 🙂

  44. Capella says:

    Completely OT but a wee break for Sunday afternoon. I subscribe to Opera Daily and get links to choice recordings. This is Verdi’s “Va, pensiero” played by the Met orchestra and chorus under lockdown conditions. The musicians and choir are all at home but still manage to produce a spectacularly good production.

    Wouldn’t it be great if Scotland had an opera house where these productions could be staged in style.

    • Alec Lomax says:

      Scotland having a opera house ? That would upset the likes of Kevin McKenna. Y’know how he goes on about woke metropolitan elites. To listen to Kev you’d think that the ‘working class’ (or his conception of us) were default philistines. I write this as a retired building worker not long back from the Bayreuth Festival.

      • Capella says:

        I bet you thoroughly enjoyed it! Every city in Germany and Switzerland has an opera house. Italy, of course, invented the art form. Kevin should know that, in the Soviet Union, opera and ballet performances were great favourites of the “proletariat” who had no idea that they weren’t supposed to enjoy them.

        I remember once listening to a R4 arts programme where they were congratulating themselves that London was to have a new small opera house, funded by the lottery IIRC. They already had Covent Garden and the Barbican etc but there was a lack of an intimate venue for smaller productions. Poor London.

        Edinburgh – in fact Scotland – is still without its opera house after at least 50 years of discussion, that I can recall.

      • grizebard says:

        Ach, Kev is an old-school class warrior (albeit one who can still prosper thanks to the occasional Daily Heil shilling). Nothing must be allowed to blur the lines of demarcation. Like that wonderful orchestra of kids from the favelas of Brazil or anything…

    • Statgeek says:

      Opera house?

      I’d settle for Scotland having its own oil company and it’s own international airline. How many oil-producing nations don’t have their own oil companies? After 50 years of production…

      • grizebard says:

        To each his own, I suppose. But culture as a carrier of national identity is not to be underestimated. It probably has far greater direct resonance with ordinary people than any number of economic activities, important as they all may well be. Why, for example, do you think that the BBC has an explicit written managerial verbot on all Scottish historical dramas…?

        • Capella says:

          Exactly. As the monster Heydrich said of the project to “Germanize” Czechoslovakia:

          deprive the people of their national consciousness

          treat them as a tribe and not a nation

          dilute their national pride

          do not teach their history

          propagate their language as inferior

          imply they have a cultural void

          emphasize their customs are primitive

          dismiss independence as a barbaric anomaly

        • Pogmothon says:

          Loosely on this topic.

          Has anyone here ever heard of “Petrobras”, in case you haven’t.
          It’s a national oil company which funds and builds sport and leisure facilities and a multitude of other infrastructure facilities and systems through out Brazil.
          In fact everything from School football strips to F1 teams are funded by Petrobras. Sometimes even rivaling the government, wouldn’t it be nice if we could do that.

          ps Education is a big thing for them so anything to do with schooling or educational groups
          is almost guaranteed to attract Petrobras funding.

      • Welsh_Siôn says:

        I’m with Statgeek. Opera House?

        Far too elitist. What you really wanna do is embrace the rave culture, Scotland. If it’s good enough for the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, then it’s good enough for the rest of you ‘orrible little Jock oiks.

        Michael Gove filmed dancing alone at Aberdeen nightclub Pipe

      • Alec Lomax says:

        Are they mutually exclusive ? Better money spent on arts than on Trident IMHO.

  45. Dr Jim says:

    Scotland like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, England only notices we’re here when we make a noise but like the tree in the woods they don’t hear us until they see us, and they don’t see us until we make a noise…..and…..

    Do we exist at all? we don’t know until England tells us to shut up, then we know they heard us …..and on…

  46. UndeadShuan says:

    This is bizzare, Michael Gove tried to blag his way into an Aberdeen nightclub and spent the night dancing on his own.

    “Tory minister reportedly said he did not need to pay to get in because he is chancellor of Duchy of Lancaster”

    • UndeadShuan says:

      The video is even more bizarre than the article.

      Is this his new plan to gain support for the union?
      Or was he on the white stuff again?

      • Welsh_Siôn says:

        There are also reports that he is on manoeuvres to take over the Home Secretaryship from Oh-not-so-pretty Patel.

        What gives, near namesake? 😉

      • grizebard says:

        Mibbe he’s been watching “Downfall” again recently, and for him this also feels like the end closing in…

    • Hamish100 says:

      Undead Shaun dancing like that is like the undead

  47. scottish skier says:

    Brexit will literally cost lives.

    NHS facing ‘catastrophic’ crisis over blood test tube shortage, warn BMA chiefs

    The medical chiefs warned that doctors face ‘difficult choices’ over which patients will be offered potentially life-saving blood tests…

    …Becton Dickinson, the NHS’s main supplier of blood collection tubes, has been blamed for the shortage, with the manufacturer suggesting the post-Brexit HGV driver shortage could be to blame.

    A company spokesperson said low stocks had been caused by “transportation challenges that have affected all industries, including port and transport capacity, air freight capacity and UK border challenges”.

  48. JMD says:

    That Gove thing??? Utterly bizarre. And is it true he said I don’t have to pay to get in cos I’m a big shot chancellor? (or something)

    • Welsh_Siôn says:

      This from the Evening Standard, quoting the Daily Rancid, quoting the Manager of the club:

      “Adam Taylor, who was manning the door, told the Daily Record: “I was welcoming people at the door of O’Neill’s for the launch of ‘Pipe’, our new club night and art organisation when Michael Gove, who had been drinking downstairs tried to walk past me upstairs without paying the entry fee.”

      “He was saying he shouldn’t have to pay because he is the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.”

  49. Welsh_Siôn says:

    Nicola Sturgeon has to self-isolate after being pinged by Covid close contact

    Nicola Sturgeon is self-isolating after being identified as a close contact of someone who has Covid-19.

    Scotland’s first minister said she will be self-isolating pending a PCR test result.

    Ms Sturgeon tweeted: “I’ve had notification tonight that I’ve been identified as a close contact of someone who is positive for Covid.

    “Accordingly, and in line with the rules, I’ll be self-isolating pending a PCR test result.

    “My thanks to all the contact tracers working so hard in NHS Test & Protect.”


  50. yesindyref2 says:

    Just for something completely different.

    If there’s a Section 30, and perhaps an Edinburgh Agreement 2, if a YES vote is achieved, then how is Independence achieved from there? This was briefly discussed in the HoC (Carmichael):

    “ … The Secretary of State replied: “The union was constituted by a treaty followed by two Acts. If it is now to be dissolved, it would presumably need that at the very least”.”

    I think on top of that – under the UK Law – the UK Parliament would need to change the Scotland Act then to give Holyrood total authority, similar to 1707, AND it would need to pass a new Act enabling it to speak on behalf of the 1707 dissolved English Parliament (probably England’s MPs only). Both of these to have to get legislative consent from Holyrood and possibly from Cardiff and Stormont,

    Then both Holyrood and Westminster can repeal the two acts of union, and get rid of the treaty, replacing it with one that says “Scotland and England are not at war, most of the UK treaties still hold for both states subject to confirmation, and we should all eat drink and be merry, and engage in the usual insults at Celidihs and Morris Dancing as oft times before – but no border raids”.

    I’d be interested if some of the constitutional experts out there would lhave a go at this one, and think perhaps it should be part of the Indy Ref 2 campaign.

  51. iusedtobeenglish says:

    ” and we should all eat drink and be merry, and engage in the usual insults at Ceilidhs and Morris Dancing as oft times before – but no border raids”.


    • Dr Jim says:

      England voted to erect 27 borders with the EU and doesn’t recognise a single one of them, they only talk about their own borders that they can’t enforce because of their incompetence, I don’t think England has ever understood the meaning of the word border

      • grizebard says:

        …but, but, but… no need for borders, y’know, England is an island. Botham the cricketing wizard told us so…! {wink}

  52. Capella says:

    The National and Believe in Scotland are having an anniversary event for 7 years after the first Indyref. A Day of Action on 18th September.

    The National and Believe in Scotland are organising the day in collaboration with the National Yes Network and The Scottish Independence Foundation.
    Every Yes group that registers to participate in the Day of Action will receive a free campaign and fundraising pack worth between £125 and £250, depending on the size of the group.

  53. Capella says:

  54. Capella says:

    Phantom Power catch RScotland trying to confuse Scots about energy policy. Don’t know who the woman is on the other end of the phone but she’s fit for Stephen Gerrard’s misleading response.

    • Tam the Bam says:

      What!….I thought BBC Jockland and Rangers F.C. didnt talk to each other!

      Stephen Jardine Capella….Stephen Gerrard is the Rangers manager.

    • Statgeek says:

      If it’s an honest mistake, there should be an honest apology / statement of disciplinary action.

      It’ll be ignored and they’ll move to another one, then keep hitting it later, hoping to vet the callers, per the BBC QT vetting process.

      If the BBC had any independence from Westminster, they wouldn’t prop up the Westminster system.

  55. scottish skier says:

    Hello all, just to say I’m going to start putting up some of my graphs etc on a ‘site’* in case people find these with an explanation useful, e.g.

    It also means plots can be more readily embedded, which can be handy sometimes.

    I don’t have the time nor the saint like patience needed for actual ‘blogging’*, especially comment modding, but since people have asked me in the past about putting my graphs somewhere, I thought why not.

    There’s not much there to start with, but I will add other plots with explanations going forward, and maybe add more thoughts to these in time.

    People are of course absolutely free to use any graphs I post on their own sites etc. My own site will be a bit pants, so you don’t even have to link to it!

    • Statgeek says:

      Interesting. The big question is, will there be enough convincing (or natural wastage) to see the figures do their thing? The other issue is that the polling wave cycle doesn’t seem to be overly reflected in elections. SNP was regularly in the 50% or more, until the election loomed, and then dropped.

      Media attention on unionist sound-bites? No idea, but I’d like a margin of 10% in polling to see a good 5% win, imho. Maybe that could explain the Tories 60% demand. If Indy support gets to 60% they can write off chipping away at that spare 5% and getting a result.

  56. Hamish100 says:

    Jardine did agree that parts of the control such as oil exploration are under the U.K. after being challenged. So he knew all along.

    He brought together roads and oil and gas exploration under the one statement to try and confuse matters. Well done to the listener.

    Moral corrupt -that’s the BBC and it’s journalists

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