When “good chaps” go bad

The Tories lost yet another court case this week, after a two year legal battle SNP MP Tommy Sheppard won a ruling that the British Government’s secret polling on public attitudes to Scottish independence should be made public. Yet after The National newspaper contacted the Cabinet Office, headed by Michael Gove, asking to see the documents, Gove refused, saying merely that the British Government would respond to the ruling “in due course”, which is Tory-speak for “Only after you’ve dragged it out of my cold dead hands, suckers – what are you going to do about it? I’ve ignored plenty of court rulings before, what makes you think that this one is any different? Now bugger off I’m busy arranging an appearance on GB News where I intend to tell an audience of frothing Brexiters and Daily Mail readers that the EU has no respect for the rule of law.”

According to the ruling, the Government has 28 days in which to comply with the order to release the documents before being found in contempt of court. However it’s clear that they are not going to respond with good grace and intend to drag their heels and make things as difficult as possible.

It’s far from the first time that the Johnson Government has lost a court case and been found to be acting illegally and exceeding the bounds of its authority. This is particularly alarming in the context of the collection of laws, precedents and customs which passes for a British constitution as there are few effective means of holding the executive branch of government – number 10 Downing Street and the cabinet- to account.

With a Conservative majority of 80 in the House of Commons, Parliament is effectively nothing more than a rubber stamp, one which the government regularly treats with contempt. Just this week a normally somnolent Speaker, Lindsay Hoyle, was roused to anger, claiming that the Prime Minister had misled him about the timing of the announcement that the lifting of lockdown restrictions in England was to be delayed from 21 June until 19 July. Hoyle was angry because yet again the Government had chosen to make an important announcement via briefings to favoured figures in the press instead of making an announcement in Parliament, where, in theory if not in practice it can be held to account by MPs.

That only really leaves the courts as a means of holding the Government to account. The press in the UK has shown time and time again that it has no serious interest in challenging the Conservatives. Much of the press sees its job as to act as cheerleaders for the Tories and for Brexit. The already noticeably right wing bent of the British media only got more pronounced this weekend with the launch of the G Beebies Channel, dedicated to purveying bedtime stories for those red faced angry men who seem to make up a disproportionate section of the BBC Question Time audience.

But even the courts are no longer an effective means of holding the power of an unscrupulous and amoral government to account. You cannot shame the shameless. You cannot embarrass a brass neck. You cannot dishonour a government composed of principle-free charlatans. This government has already suffered numerous legal defeats, yet it sails on regardless, safe in the knowledge that there are no real consequences for its misbehaviour. Just a few days ago Michael Gove was found to have broken the law over the way his department had handled the awarding of government contracts to a company headed by associates of his pal Dominic Cummings. The court ruled that a reasonable person would suspect favouritism – in other words finding that if it looks bad and it smells bad, it’s reasonable to assume that it is indeed bad.

Advocates for the traditional way of doing things in the UK once prided themselves on what they called the “good chap” theory of British Government. It was rooted in the patrician snobbery of the English private school system and held that government in the UK worked because it was led by “good chaps” imbued with a sense of decency, fair play and whose personal code of honour would make them resign if they were ever found to have broken the rules, so therefore there was no need for formal systems for holding them to account. It was of course always a comfortable and self-congratulating fantasy born out of English exceptionalism, but it held for decades, bolstered in large measure by that peculiarly English deference to posh “characters” with cut glass accents.

If Michael Gove were a “good chap” he’d have resigned after the court found that he’d acted unlawfully over a dubious award of contracts to friends of his. If he were a “good chap” he’d have resigned when the courts ruled that the vote Leave campaign he headed had acted unlawfully. If he were a “good chap” he’d have resigned when it had come to light that while he was hypocritically calling for the prosecution of drug users he was himself using cocaine. He’d have resigned, along with Boris Johnson and the rest of the government when a court found that these “good chaps” had lied to the queen in order to unlawfully prorogue Parliament so that they could avoid any scrutiny in the Commons of their plans for Brexit.

Of course he hasn’t resigned, and neither have any of the others in this government who have been found by the courts to have broken the law. The malignant presence of Priti Patel still casts a shadow over the Home Office despite the court ruling that she unlawfully deported an asylum seeker in order to prevent him giving evidence at the inquest into the death of another man being held in one of the Home Office’s inhumane detention centres. She’s still in office despite having been found to have bullied staff members and breached the ministerial code.

Matt Hancock isn’t going anywhere despite a court ruling that he awarded a contract to a company run by his family. He’s going nowhere despite mounting evidence alleging that he lied repeatedly during the early months of the pandemic and along with Johnson and Gove ran a government whose incompetence, chaos, and ineptitude caused tens of thousands to die of covid when they otherwise could have lived.

If this was the Scottish government and the SNP, the media and the British political parties would be screaming to the rafters that Scotland was a failed state. It’s the British state which is faIling but all we get is a collective shrugging of the shoulders and a deliberate and studied silence from the Scottish Conservatives – it’s about the only thing that bunch of know-nothings have ever sucessfully studied.

Yet if the rule of law cannot be enforced we really are in a failed British state. The problem is that the only people with the power to do anything about it are the Goves, the Patels, the Johnsons and the Hancocks who have a vested interest in keeping things exactly the way that they are. That’s why Scottish independence is vital if we want to live in a state where the rule of law is respected and the powerful can be held to account. The UK has no solution when “good chaps” turn out to be rotten to the core.

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191 comments on “When “good chaps” go bad

  1. Scotland needs independence, but England needs a revolution..

    I see that the egregious Gove is quacking about getting rid of EVEL permanently, and I notice that may independentistas are welcoming the move. I respectfully disagree: instead of getting rid of EVEL, we should have SVSL as well – the idea that Westminster could not pass laws affecting Scotland without the support of a majority of Scottish MPs would certainly cramp their style.

    Wasn’t there some kind of vow or other about the Sewel Convention and turning it into law? That would be similar.

    It would also have stopped Scotland being dragged out of the EU against its will…

    • gavinochiltree says:

      Gove wants to dump EVEL so that Westminster will no longer pass “English” laws, but laws that they want to apply for us all, as practice their “muscular unionism”!

      These people, in the words of Phil Rycroft in evidence to the HoL, are “Anglo-centric British nationalists”. They have no interest in the views or concerns of those of us who live outside England.
      Only the blind obedience of DRossy and Co pleases them.

    • iusedtobeenglish says:

      Although I agree with most of what you say, I’d add that the move isn’t necessarily permanent and is totally unnecessary while they have a majority of 80. I don’t think we need SVSL – though it’d be a good start.

      What England needs isn’t EVEL, it’s a parliament of its own. One where only English MPs pass only English Laws – and the other 3 Nations do the same. “UK” laws should be dealt with by a UK Parliament (in the current set up).

      Maybe our SNP should stop (as the English MPs put it) “whining” about Independence and start saying “Don’t get rid of EVEL, extend it to all 4 Nations”. “EVEL in an English Parliament”, “Constitution grossly unfair to England” “EVEL’s only a beginning. EVEL, WVWL, SVSL, UVUL (I know NI isn’t Ulster…) If they jeer, turn their backs or walk out, Mr Blackfird could point out that they’re turning their backs on unfairness to their own constituents – who vote them in and can hear them.

      Who knows? It might even give the Opposition a common cause? If it doesn’t, surely it’s beyond time for the SNP MPs to admit that Labour’s acting like a Tory reserve team, making them the actual Opposition.

      My ex-fellow-countrymen also “whine” about how unfair the union is because it’s so wonderful for Scotland. I think it’s time we got them on board.

      Also, challenge them that if they want to Save the ‘Union’, they need to change the ‘Union’. Otherwise, they need to admit to all 4 Nations that it’s failed. I know there are moves to build a progressive party. It needs to up its game.

      3 word slogan (cos they seem to be popular)? Unfortunately, “Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite” is taken. 🙂

    • Mrs Sheryl Hepworth says:

      I agree and have said all along that English MPs can vote on Scottish matters but our MPs never did use their votes on English matters!!!

    • Statgeek says:

      If Gove wants rid of EVEL, then he’s moving towards an end to devolution. Simple.

      Or, if you prefer, if a Tory wants it, Scots probably shouldn’t want it.

  2. bringiton says:

    What do you call a dictatorship in England?
    Answer,an 80 seat majority at Westminster.
    Much though some independence minded people in Scotland malign the Holyrood system,it does create some checks and balances that are not in evidence at Westminster.
    In a way what is happening is a good thing in that it is showing doubtful Scots that we couldn’t possibly make a worse job of matters and the urgent requirement to have a 21st Century government in Scotland that is based on democratic accountability and not corrupt cronyism.

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  4. stewartb says:

    On the ‘good chaps’ theory, this may be of interest:

    Andrew Blick and Peter Hennessy (2019) Good chaps no more? Safeguarding the constitution in stressful times. The Constitution Society.

    See: https://consoc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/FINAL-Blick-Hennessy-Good-Chaps-No-More.pdf

    It notes: ‘If general standards of good behaviour among senior UK politicians can no longer be taken for granted, then neither can the sustenance of key constitutional principles.’

    I suggest the authors- who seem to have a rose-tinted view of past ‘good old day’ – may be calling into a void. The notion of Westminster being ready and willing to establish a written constitution for the UK seems as likely as it is to establish a federal UK and/or to get rid of the FPTP electoral system and/or to abolish the unelected House of Lords – namely zero!

  5. Kester Park says:

    G Beebies Channel! Fantastic! I laughed out loud!

  6. Kay McCall says:

    Well I would always stuff £20 in your hand if I met you. I’ve bought the books and the maps. However I’m not a bigot racist or transphobic. I do however feel your need to shut down debate. Means I’m out.i do hope you are recovering well and wish you the best. Goodbye

  7. uno mas says:

    Ah Mickey (Nobody´s Child) Gove.

    Him of the fake intonation and accent.

    Alas poor Doric I spoke it well!!!

    Anyway did I read recently that he´s going to overturn the “English Votes For English Laws” legislation and if so do we believe that is because he thinks it is a democratic outrage against the peoples of the devolved nations or as is more likely that he has realised that an inability to vote on legislation that the government of the day is trying to pass through HOC is something of an impediment to being the leader of said government?

    WATCH YOUR BACK BORIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  8. Legerwood says:

    I see Travelling Tabby has won an award at the Herald Higher Education Awards. Well earned. He has done a fantastic job throughout the pandemic.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Wow… Very well deserved indeed…

    • Clydebuilt says:

      Call Kaye referenced his site . . . . Herald award . . . . attempting to turn him?

      • Legerwood says:

        Do not think so, Clydebuilt. Professors Sridhar and Bauld as well as others have used his site and tweeted info from it.

        Much to my surprise the Herald ran quite a prominent article about his site some months ago.

        • Clydebuilt says:

          I’d expect Sridhar to reference the site. . . .

          I’m surprised the Herald ran an article on TT. . . . Trying to turn him?

          Don’t see sense in Unionist assets publicising TT.

          • Bob Lamont says:

            I admit surprise to his work being recognised and commended by all people the Herald, having studiously avoided all reference to his exceptional work from the onset of the pandemic over a year ago.
            Perhaps they finally realised ignoring the lad who provided all of Scotland with an overview while #10 ran radio silence, and half of England with it’s OWN Covid information, was being a touch churlish? Perhaps they heard another rag was about to do a piece on him, who knows, and frankly who cares ? He fought against the establishment and won, the Ayrshire lad did good, he and his pals deserve all the accolades coming, richly deserved.

            • Legerwood says:

              Bob,
              As I said in my Reply to Clydebuilt the Herald ran an article on him and the Travelling Tabby web site which did surprise me. The article ran in September 2020. Here is the link but as usual it will be behind a paywall.

              https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18731744.coronavirus-travelling-tabby-student-blogger-behind-scotlands-popular-covid-tracker-site/

              Public Health Scotland also has a website giving daily updates on cases, positivity, hospitalisations etc. It also has a dashboard which provides info on vaccinations by age and by Health Boards as well as information on cases in neighbourhoods across Scotland.

              I must admit that I tend to use the PHS site on a daily basis but Travelling Tabby when I want to dig deeper. His efforts are all the more impressive though when you consider he is doing it on his own while PHS probably has a team of statisticians to work on their data gathering efforts.

              Both sites are good and provide a degree of double-checking of each other. Certainly much easier in my experience to access and use compared to sites serving England

              • Bob Lamont says:

                My apologies, hadn’t realised the Herald had even recognised his efforts at that stage, that possibly explains the award, yet makes their obstinate refusal to break with “official sources” all the more curious, unless compelled legally, will we ever know…
                I’m convinced his site’s impact was profound – Beyond SG Covid briefings he informed large swathes of England who had been deliberately left in the dark for political reasons.
                That he threw a spanner in the #10’s radio silence was exemplary and presumably caused many a sphincters to shrink in London, their only “political” angle of attack being SG Covid Updates….
                HMS Sarah Smith hosting DRoss talking Udder Shite on matters he is not qualified to pronounce upon to edit the “clearly political” covid briefings was never going to work, nobody listens to the Forres Gump other than those forced to endure his slurry in Holyrood…

                • Legerwood says:

                  Linda Bauld nominated him apparently. Both she and Devi Sridhar have congratulated him. I think the Herald uses PHS as the source for the daily data it reports usually in a wee box buried inside the paper but at least they report the numbers.

  9. Legerwood says:

    Apologies for going OT again but Edwin Poots, new leader of DUP, has resigned after 3 weeks in post.

  10. James Mills says:

    EVEL – Allowing the Welsh and the Scots to vote on ”English” laws that will really have an impact on the results of Divisions in the lobbies .

    Well , maybe not :
    currently : English 533 MPs , Welsh 40 , Scottish 59 , N.I. 18 .
    next election : English 543 MPs , Welsh 32 , Scottish 57 , N.I. 18 .

    • stewartb says:

      For more on Scotland’s ‘influence’ in the Commons, see House of Commons Library research on the outcomes of divisions (votes):

      Source: House of Commons Library (2015) England, Scotland, Wales: MPs & voting in the House of Commons, Research Briefing (https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn07048/ )

      “Of approximately 3,800 divisions between 26 June 2001 and 26 March 2015, 25 (0.7%) would have concluded differently had the votes of Scottish MPs not been counted. This includes one, on 31 March 2004, that would have been ‘tied’.”

      In another report the HoC Library examined this question: ‘How often is the opinion of English MPs overruled by a UK majority?’ Here are some telling, if unsurprising, findings:

      “Under the Labour Government of 2001-05 the majority for English MPs matched with the decision of the UK majority for 99% of divisions; in 2005-10 these majorities matched for 98% of divisions.

      “Under the Coalition Government of 2010-15 the majority of English MPs matched the majority of UK MPs for 99% of divisions.”

      Then there is this: “In the 2010-15 Parliament the majority of Scottish MPs voting matched the majority of UK MPs voting for 26% of occasions. Over the same period, Welsh MPs voting matched the majority of UK MPs for 28% of divisions.”

      So: “The majority of MPs representing Scottish seats opposed the UK majority in 74% of divisions 2010-15”.

      See: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/matching-majorities-examining-proposals-for-english-votes-for-english-laws/

    • Statgeek says:

      From 82% of MPs to 83.5%

      Meanwhile Scotland is still 32% of the landmass, and its population struggles to increase.

      Meanwhile, meanwhile, Ireland’s population went from 8 million in the 1800s down to less than 4.5 million in the early 20th century and now approaches 7 million.

      Scotland’s population has barely risen since ww2, while England’s has increased by 18 million.

      Indy can’t come soon enough.

  11. Golfnut says:

    We should never doubt why the emphasis on reports of vaccines was always on ‘ being offered ‘ rather than actual vaccines ‘ given ‘.
    Part of a question and answer session in Parliament between Ledsome and Hancock regards refusing the vaccine.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/215556435841901/permalink/900939210636950/

  12. Bob Lamont says:

    Well said indeed, “the Goves, the Patels, the Johnsons and the Hancocks” are recent if glaring examples of how granting some people power can backfire, but I’d question “no solution when “good chaps” turn out to be rotten to the core”. They have all proven themselves to be “rotten to the core” but MSM have bent over backwards to obscure their failings.
    eg – Gove’s lies over his father (selling up because of EU red tape), Patel’s disgrace with the Israelis ignored, Johnson’s tenure as London Mayor despite being a shambles paraded as a success, Hancock’s lies over the Covid pandemic, are just some of their many failings.
    NONE of them would be in post were it not for their promotion by MSM as “good guys”, UK politics and MSM are tied at the hip, it’s only in Scotland we see the attacks against SG.

    Independence is the only viable escape for Scotland’s electorate, that it may prove the salvation of England has been highlighted by multiple observers – Only a rupture of such magnitude might waken England’s electorate from it’s MSM induced trance and realise their precarious condition, but I won’t hold my breath.

  13. Francis Lynch says:

    This is a mobster government despite the posh boy, public school accents.

  14. Dr Jim says:

    Tonight every English football commentator will have been instructed to be mindful of what they say and how they say it for all the obvious reasons

    At least one of them will blow it

  15. AAD says:

    Is there no way the SNP MPs in Westminster can use the House of Commons to speak out about the criminal behaviour of the Tories – sorry, Conservative Party – using the rules of that disfunctional place? What about Parliamentary Privilege? There are many ways of calling them liars without using the word.
    What about the SNP taking billboards to publish their lies since the mainstream media ignores anything and anybody that doesn’t suit their view of “the UK” whatever that is.

  16. andyfromdunning says:

    Everything you comment on here is true Paul, we Yes minded people know this. The big issue is that the fourth estate are not holding power to account. They are a disgrace.

    Not just ignoring chronyism, nepotism and lying by our political leaders but also ignoring facts that would show them in a bad light. Take for example a financial report from two weeks ago that showed the U.K. lost £116bn between 2017 and Brexit day due to Brexit and we had not even left them. I despair at all this.

    It is a hard thing to do but we must hold the fourth estate to task in an Indy Scotland if they support a party with blinkers on to truth.

    • iusedtobeenglish says:

      I’ve always believed that one of the main reasons for the attacks on Jeremy Corbyn (like him or loathe him) was that he stated his intention to implement the findings of the Leveson Inquiry.

  17. Jacksg says:

    From today’s Guardian.

    In case our English neighbours are in any doubt who the Government cares about.

    The Times reported ministers are concerned that if they do not relax the rules the semi-finals and final will be moved to Hungary, which will have no border restrictions for travel within the Schengen zone from next week and would host the games with full stadiums.

    It said VIPs would also be allowed to attend matches at Wembley during the knockout phase of the tournament as well as training sessions and meetings with the UK government.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/18/vips-to-be-let-into-england-without-quarantine-to-keep-euros-final-at-wembley

  18. Jacksg says:

    Some of us have not forgotten that we are in the middle of a pandemic.

    Scottish Government briefing 12.10 BBC Scotland channel. No Link yet.

  19. Alex Clark says:

    The latest target for this corrupt government is the Electoral Commission, quite clearly Johnsonn takes offence at any investigation into him so he shuts them up with new laws.

    Boris Johnson is to strip the Electoral Commission of the power to prosecute law-breaking, just weeks after it launched an investigation into his controversial flat refurbishment.

    The watchdog has been threatened with curbs ever since it embarrassed senior Tory figures by fining Vote Leave for busting spending limits for the Brexit referendum.

    Now ministers have announced that a new Elections Bill will remove its ability to prosecute criminal offences under electoral law – arguing it “wastes public money”.

    https://archive.ph/aYgoP

    • grizebard says:

      Someone recently commented that under BoJo, the current UKGov is well on its way to becoming another Orbán-style regime, and with stuff like this – deliberately dismantling the pathetically few safeguards that exist to protect us – it is becoming ever harder to disagree. (Not that I even want these days.)

  20. Alex Clark says:

    The FM will give a Covid update at 12:15, it can be watched live here https://twitter.com/scotgov

    • ArtyHetty says:

      Thanks Alex. It cuts out a lot on twitter and sound goes off automatically, this often happens when viewing SNP and pro indy vids on twitter…

    • Dr Jim says:

      Thanks Alex much better than being forced to listen to some unelected Tory branch manager with zero authority and zero medical knowledge on the BBC complaining about Prof Jason Leitch Scotland clinical director getting more media attention than himself with his degree in cow udders

    • Bob Lamont says:

      I tried it Alex, but again struggled with the sound, as ArtHetty noted, it’s glitchy.
      I concur with Dr Jim’s observations, but being abroad I have never yet been let down by the YouTube release which usually streams in parallel without the audio problems https://youtu.be/07-B1xcAAhQ

  21. Capella says:

    Independence Live are urging everyone to get informed about the role of the armed forces in an independent Scotland. They have a virtual conference tomorrow afternoon which anyone can join and also advice on what would persuade members of the armed forces to vote YES.

    https://mailchi.mp/79dce3f75abd/the-most-important-election-since-4776754?e=7afeb81cca

    • For starters, embed ‘Defence Capability’, to inform any debate.
      ‘Armed forces’ in relation to any country’s air, sea, and land personnel is tautology. surely?
      Scotland’s army navy and air capability would be the same as any comparable European country, once we rejoin the EU.

      Our USP?

      Young people serving now will not be asked to die for America’s oil any more.

      A programme of demob rehabilitation would not go amiss.

      I’m having a wee break but enjoying reading the terrific comments.
      Little did I know that England beat Scotland 126 nil in 1996 with Gascoigne scoring 125, Shearer one.

      The English Broadcasting system is now firmly in place, obviously anticipating ‘losing’ Scotland.
      Too nice to be inside TBH>

      Labour managed 600 odd votes in the btelection?
      Scottish Labour voters…when are we going to be saved from the Tories…sorry..’Conservatives’?

      The Dead Tree Scrolls,so bitter that England didn’t put the country of their birth, Scotland, in its place, highlighted the 30 arrests in London yesterday.
      Shocking!

      How many ‘arrests’ do the Met Police make in a non Jock Invasion Day?
      Later, Duggers.

  22. barpe says:

    Goodness, Fiona Bruce is really not bothering to hide her anti-SNP rhetoric now. On BBC Question time last night she attempted to make Ian Blackford answer a different question (of hers!!) rather than the one the rest of the panel answered – but with little success, Ian just said what he wanted anyway. Then she badgered him about an answer being too long, but the audience seemed to be on his side!

    When will the SNP learn that they are just being setup with these programs and take some sort of avoidance tactics? I don’t pretend to know what!!

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Perhaps you’re missing the tactics already working ? Being set up to fail reveals the predisposition of the host, the interaction tells the viewer infinitely more than the superficial a la Sun…
      Bruce and the Beeb have become a propaganda outfit to the rest of the world, ow you say, “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”….

    • Dr Jim says:

      Yeah BBC Scotland’s Jackie Bird used to attempt to create the most hated woman in Scotland scenario over Nicola Sturgeon until Jackie Bird herself fell victim to her own over zealous bias and ended up what she tried to create

      So in a way she was a success, but in her own downfall

      Most of England is like that, they look at Scotland but they don’t see it and they’ll never hear it, they don’t know how, and don’t want to know
      They’ll give a million excuses but there’s really only one reason, they know what they are, and they’re afraid of it, they were the superior empire that’s visibly diminishing because nobody wants or likes them and they still don’t know what to do about it, so they double down on their own obnoxious exceptionalism and keep making it worse

  23. Welsh_Siôn says:

    O/T

    You have two First Ministers and myself (at least) rooting for you tonight.

    Dewch ‘mlaen, yr Alban!

    https://nation.cymru/news/time-for-scotland-to-show-what-they-can-do-drakeford-backs-scots-against-england/

    ‘Time for Scotland to show what they can do’: Drakeford backs Scots against England

    • Alex Clark says:

      I think Drakeford would come out in support of Welsh Independence when a referendum happens and he is likely retired from politics.

    • Clydebuilt says:

      Drakeford makes noises that can be interpreted as if he might be moving towards supporting Independence for Wales. IMHO its empty words intended to keep Plaid Cymru in it’s box.

  24. Dr Jim says:

    The politics of greedy exceptionalism in the south of England rears its head as the Lib Dems win a Tory seat by election by a large majority
    The excuse for Tories voting Lib Dem in that area? as they see it they pay the most in and are angry at Boris Johnson for sending *their* money up North

    The lesson from that is Englands voters don’t mind taking from others but do mind sharing it

    Kinda knocks the Gordon Broon notion of *pooling and sharing* on the head when the truth is they like the pooling as long as the cash is in their pool wherever it comes from, but the sharing part not so much

    Well it’s how they built that empire isn’t it *taking and keeping*

    • grizebard says:

      FibDems – once the “party of the UK periphery” now shrunk to the party of highly-privileged “middle England”. (Well, one wee sliver of it temporarily for the “slightly nicer Tories”, one imagines.)

    • Capella says:

      I’ve always regarded the Liberals as despicable – face aw roon.
      A Tory is Liberal who’s been mugged. A Liberal is a Tory who’s been arrested. Either way – they’e Tories. 😂

  25. grizebard says:

    I’m just thinking, suppose the Scottish commentators on the current Scotland-England football match (which I just can’t bear to watch – too many past triumphs and agonies) were to lose no opportunity to scoff and diminish the Scotland side, however good, and instead continually demand that they slavishly copy the English play, there would be a right old uproar from the viewers here. Yet that is exactly what the Scottish political commentariat presume to do in their daily efforts.

    What a difference a play makes.

  26. Alastair says:

    0-0

    • Welsh_Siôn says:

      I suppose you can be happy with a point. Seems the Ingerlund lot are not happy with their team’s performance.

      “If we can’t beat Scotland, what hope is there”

      and other such dribblings (pun intended).

      • Drew Anderson says:

        I’ll take it, it keeps us in it. The Croatia game is effectively a knockout now; a draw leaves Scotland at the bottom & a draw might not be enough for Croatia to progress. Just have to beat the World Cup runners-up to advance!

        From the BBC, Mark Lawrenson’s page:

        Lawro’s prediction: 2-0

        Pundits’ predictions:
        Karen Carney 3-0, Chris Waddle 2-0, Dion Dublin 3-1, Clinton Morrison 2-1, Chris Sutton 3-0, Rob Green 2-1, Christian Fuchs 2-0, Jermaine Jenas 4-0, Emma Saunders 2-1, Steve Crossman 3-1, John Murray 3-1, Ian Dennis 2-0, Alistair Bruce-Ball 2-1, Conor McNamara 3-1, Vicki Sparks 2-0

        Pfft!

  27. Alex Clark says:

    This was the right wing Spectator today, I saved posting it till now for obvious reasons.

    https://archive.ph/EkomU

    • Capella says:

      Hubris – always comes before a fall. The Scotland fans will be yessiring and boogieing all night in London. Good for them – filled with bonhomie and optimism, they deserve some fun. How mean that the London authorities didn’t provide a fan zone in Hyde Park. It would have been the least they could do. Literally.

  28. Janice Gale says:

    When an empire dies its corpse stinks for a hundred years. Even English Tories noses are twitching now with the stench emanating from Westminster. More election losses are coming. The train has now left the station.

  29. Anakim Hemelloper says:

    When members of a government act above the law they cannot expect to be protected by the law.

  30. Clydebuilt says:

    Good to hear Stevie Clarke telling the country that the Scottish Media are negative about the team and that they are wrong. . . “It’s a great team I’ve known this for a long time” . . . . Some more eyes openned up!

    Stevie Clarke. . . Billy Gilmour . . . . C’mon North Ayrshire

    Apparently there is another Gilmour coming through. . . . .

    Not forgetting Irvine’s Erin Cuthbert

  31. Dr Jim says:

    Liberal Torycrat Alex Cole Hamilton is overly upset again because somebody photoshopped a Scotland top onto Nicola Sturgeon to make it appear she was joyously celebrating the football result against England
    In fact the image was the FM celebrating the demise of another Torycrat Jo Swinson quite some considerable time ago, so it’s difficult to see which part of this he’s unhappy about, is it the apparent happiness of the FM? is it the photoshopped Scotland shirt? is it Jo Swinsons demise? could it be it’s that England didn’t win the football game as he’d hoped to put us Jocks back in our box?

    I reckon it’s most likely all of the above because in Tory world everything that Scotland doesn’t fail at is considered a success and they just can’t abide that

  32. Welsh_Siôn says:

    They’ve definitely got fear in their nostrils. This Union thing – it’s not just about Scotland, y’know … 😉

    https://nation.cymru/news/giant-uk-government-branding-only-applied-to-offices-in-wales-and-scotland/

    Giant UK Government branding only applied to offices in Wales and Scotland
    19 Jun 2021 4 minutes Read

  33. Welsh_Siôn says:

    Spot the difference:

    (Scottish Sun)

    (English Sun)

    • Dr Jim says:

      Apparently the big talk in the south today is “Is Harry Kane good enough” instead of Scotland played well so prevented England being as good as they believe they are
      Rather than praise another team for doing well they post mortem themselves in an arrogant fashion of entitlement as though they should beat whoever they say they can beat, and it definitely must always be a team or country as lowly as Scotland, how soon they forgot about Iceland eh, of course maybe Iceland are a different kind of foreign

      Funny how Englands sport reflects their politics of superiority

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Aye, Graham Mann and Nick Parker doubtless conferred on the angles to be taken, presumably Parker landed the job since he is officially the Sun’s Foreign Correspondent, none better qualified to talk about foreigners….
      I do worry though that in Parker appealing to the Sun’s knuckle-dragging fanbase, were complicated syllables such as “separated” not a touch adventurous ?
      It put me in mind of the old steam TV when a certain Welsh rugby stalwart took the complete mince out of the England team over using complicated words, like “corrugated”….

    • ArtyHetty says:

      The usual media propaganda cr*p attempting to make this about the SNP and ‘Nicola’, as if it’s not about not the millions of people in Scotland who desperately want to escape the scheming, scamming, so called UK, that’s been hell bent on holding Scotland back for such a long time, especially since 2014, and so that they can try to repair the Brexit damage, it’s getting really serious now. The effects of Brexit are starting to kick in, people are losing their jobs and businesses are going to the wall, it’s horrendous and only just the start. Brexit will ruin Scotland, and take us backwards by decades, the BritNats will willingly ruin lives, as if they haven’t already done enough damage. Covid19 is a gift to the English government,and Brexit is their ultimate prize, it’s truly sickening.

      I happened to see a wee sticker as I went into town for jag #2 yesterday, it reads, ‘1% control the world, 4% are their puppets, 90% are alseep. 5% know what’s happening, they try to wake the 90%. The 1% use the 4% to prevent the 5% from destroying their agenda by waking up the 90%’.
      It’s quite a good description I think of the current state of things, the 4% are growing though, that’s the scary thing, especially in England. (no offence to people in England who are not part of the puppet army).

  34. Capella says:

    Mike Russell to head up the independence unit for the SNP:

    FORMER Scottish constitution secretary and current National columnist Michael Russell has been appointed as political director at the SNP’s independence unit.
    The task force was unveiled in January, with depute leader Keith Brown saying it would create policy papers and campaign materials to “fire up” the Yes movement.

    https://archive.fo/CxV6Z

    • andyfromdunning says:

      We in the Yes movement have the bumph and the motivation, we have been using it for years.

      We need the party of independence to formally start the campaign, wake up their sleeping members to support those SNP members that are active in Yes groups. We need our MP’s to disrupt Westminster, we need aggressive replies to Unionists propaganda.

      We need to find the ‘missing’ £600k, spend it and get some more.

      Yes I am a scunnered Yesser.

      • Capella says:

        You forgot the voters. We need the Scottish people to vote YES. How do you propose to persuade the majority to support independence?
        By “disrupting” Westminster? What exactly does that mean?
        By repeating anti-SNP talking points e.g. whinging on about the “lost” £600 k – it’s in prepayments which has been said many times.
        By demanding a campaign start now, in the middle of a pandemic when the one advantage the YES movement has, boots on the ground, is confined to quarters while the Unionists have free access to all the media?

        • andyfromdunning says:

          Sorry, I disagree Capella. Your points are valid but so are mine.

          I am active in Yes and so are lots of SNP members but that is not a campaign. The party has done nothing, nada, for independence apart from talk about prior to a vote. I am not anti SNP I just want action now.

          The pandemic is an excuse now as it is coming under increasing control with late July seeing another easing.

          What do you mean that old chestnut the £600k? I gave to both collections for indy. If the party has spent it then it is fraud. If they have it why is it not in the accounts.

  35. Hamish100 says:

    Personally when some retire they should bow out or help in the background. We need some fresh faces to lead us on.

    • Capella says:

      Come now – he’s a young whipper-snapper at only 68. He has the most experience in those constitution issues and negotiation skills that will be needed for the next couple of years. Then he can retire at 70 after securing the independence vote.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Russell_(politician)

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Some are not the retiring type, you are clearly not of an age to either appreciate the moment nor the clarity it may bring. Fresh faces exiting a freezer are a Boris Johnson specialty, are you really a secret Tory ?
      To wit – Don’t shoot at the oldies when they’ve refined their aim sonny… 😉

      • Dr Jim says:

        Nobody knows more about constitutional issues than Mike Russell and he’s a thoroughly nice gentleman into the bargain, and also a thoroughly not nice gentleman when he needs to be, and he knows when not to be

        He’s the premier league choice for this job and will make the Michael Goves squirm with discomfort by this appointment

        • ArtyHetty says:

          Yep. Mike Russell is very experienced and will know his way around the BritNats conniving scheming tactics. Hopefully things are progressing apace now towards an independence referendum.

      • Hamish100 says:

        Bob, please don’t talk rot. Am I a secret Tory? Are you.? Give us peace. I’m looking at the voters we need to persuade not the ones that will vote for independence without further persuasion. I didn’t say he should moribund but work in the background. Same auld faces from the failed independence and brexit campaign. It needs fresh faces. My view.

        • Bob Lamont says:

          Only winding you up, hence the winking emoji…🙄
          You’ve got a point that SOME are past a joke, but I see very few standing in the way of new talent, indeed some such as Mike Russel have positively nurtured them, and they still have much to gain from his experience..
          Youth isn’t everything…

    • grizebard says:

      Personally when someone has deep and proven experience while retaining the energy to contribute, they are the smartest choice for the most important and challenging of tasks.

  36. Capella says:

    Nicola Sturgeon meet with her new Lord Advocate and Solicitor General – the appointments roll on. https://twitter.com/ScotGovJustice/status/1405892792707125254?s=20

    • Dr Jim says:

      Is it a coincidence that all three Tory parties and the Abla party don’t like these appointments
      First they don’t like Mike Russell (too clever) now they don’t like the legal team (women and too clever)

      Nicola must be picking a winning team right enough

  37. Capella says:

    Good front page on The National’s Sunday supplement. Richard Walker getting lyrical with the Joni Mitchell “Woodstock” anthem. What a difference the summer solstice makes!

  38. Welsh_Siôn says:

    A lesson for Scotland – and ‘its’ (term used advisedly) Labour Party?

    https://nation.cymru/news/labour-in-ceredigion-want-wales-to-go-it-alone-and-ditch-uk-party/

    Labour in Ceredigion want Wales to go it alone and ditch UK party
    19 Jun 2021 3 minutes Read

    Labour members in Ceredigion have voted to set up ‘Welsh Labour’ as a completely independent party from UK Labour.

    The ‘suggested constitutional amendment’ was passed earlier today and announced as a ‘breaking’ story on Twitter.

    […]

    • Capella says:

      Is this likely to succeed? Or will Wales have two Labours? I can’t see London Labour agreeing with this federalism!

      • grizebard says:

        I don’t think it’s “London” whose reaction matters so much as that of all the other Welsh branches of Labour. Splitterism only succeeds if it carries a significant amount of opinion with it. Maybe they could phone Jim Sillars for advice. {grin} (On the other hand, maybe not.)

        Then there’s Mr Salmond. {wink}

        Oh, well, never mind…

    • Welsh_Siôn says:

      If it means anything, I wasn’t particularly aware that there was a Labour Party machine in Ceredigion, to be honest.

      Whenever there’s an election there (Senedd or Westminster) it’s usually a tussle between Plaid Cymru and the Lib. Dems.

      The make up of the unitary authority council currently is:

      Plaid Cymru – 20
      Independent – 13
      Lib Dem – 8
      All others – 0

  39. I make no apology for repeating my post from 11th June.

    “BBC ‘Scotland’ revs it up for the start of the Euros?
    Well, no, it’s the Glasgow Commonwealth Games all over again.

    I’ve just checked BBC Scotland’s schedule for today.

    Gary Linekar hosts the BBC ‘Scotland’ Euro show, and Peter Crouch, ‘Crouchy’, begins his late night ‘hilarious’ take on each day’s events as we approach the witching hour.

    In other words, it will be wall to wall England for at least a week or so, and then, nothing, if England don’t get out of the group.

    This morning, BBC England Brexit has already aired the clip of Gascoigne flicking the ball over Hendrie’s head and scoring against the Jocks.
    That’s the Loyal Sons Of happy then.
    What will BBC Plantation Quay Sports Department be doing over the next 4 weeks?

    Do they all just go off on their hols, or will they be huddled around microphones in BBC Jock Clockwork Radio studios, sending out wireless reports, while the rest of Europe watches their teams on their national TV outlets?

    BBC’s coverage of the Euros will be all about England, with awkward little slots scrunched in to Gary’s and his regular team’s Anglo centred analysis and By Jingo nationalism as sport.

    BBC Scotland? Aye, richt.

    Of course, when England get beat, Gary will turn to his second team, Germany, as they are wont to do, when England inevitably falls.”

    I submit that has not turned out as I expected. It’s much much worse.

    The BBC Jockland Sportsound even repeated the radio broadcast of Gasgoine’s goal.
    How low can they sink in their efforts to undermine the confidence of their own National football team?
    And the headline from Scotland bursting Linnie’s Eleven’s bubble? 30 arrests in London! So much for yer lovable Tartan Army!

    Jackie Baillie must have been beilin’.
    And so to bed.

    • Not-My-Real-Name says:

      Sneaked in to say…..good rant Jack C…Hope you are well….now sneaking off….. 😉

      🙂

      • I’ve been ‘sneaking off’ a good bit too recently, NMRN.
        Tidying up the front and back for the Clydebank Fair. Old habits never die. weather been ok too.
        Enjoying PK’s articles and Duggers’ posts.
        Today Dross fresh from breaking Covid rules with Golden Balls at Wembley revealed to a compliant Martin Guissler, who had just been handed his arse in a sling By Ivan McKee as he tried to ‘Yes But’ a very capable SNP Business minister putting the Old Watsonian right on economics and business progress in Scotland, that Australia sells all its steroid beef to SE Asia, so have none left to flog in Scotland.
        Sross is without doubt idiotic prune of the bunch.
        Ayrshire New Potatoes from the Early Planting in the shops..bubbling away in my big pot as I clack….
        Delicious with oodles of melted butter.

        Now that’s what I call top quality.
        A bientot.

  40. Hamish100 says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/57512595

    Spot the bbc version of what was invented by Scots and the English. The bbc gets it wrong again as to England’s flag

  41. Dr Jim says:

    The wee self publicist Labour councillor man from Manchester gets himself on the telly by inventing something the Scottish government never said, but hey the BBC will always help out and oblige if there’s any anti SNP going

    • Stephen McKenzie says:

      Dr. Jim: I have little doubt that Andy Burnham was “annoyed” that it was advised to folk in Scotland at that last coronavirus update, not to travel to the Manchester area due to the high levels of the Delta variant still circulating in that area.

      In fact, that was the “annoyed” phrase used by Andy himself on the Andrew Marr show this morning. when that topic was introduced into the interview by Nick Robinson, who was standing in for Andrew Marr.

      That “annoyed” response however, was certainly not a strong enough line for Nick as that is probably not what the BBC wanted to hear. So Nick responded that really Andy was “furious” and then Nick followed up with the scenario of Scottish football fans in London and did Andy feel about that?..

      It was a set up of course, badly done by the BBC and Nick Robinson, but there it was.

      Then of course it then popped up on the Herald with the headline “Andy Burnham accuses Scottish Government of ‘hypocrisy’ and ‘double standards'”, followed the SiU crew with their inane comments.

      There we have it, the British media at its very best..

      • grizebard says:

        The original grump was intended solely for English consumption, and it’s purpose was to help divert feared blame for local handling of the pandemic. An old political trick. But the unintended message that comes by-the-way to us is that the once-asserted Labourite solidarity only works one way, and that’s always to England’s advantage. All the more so now that virtually all their votes (such as they can still muster) come from down there.

        But of course the other side of the coin, as you rightly mention, is that their Scottish media pals, far from standing up for their readership’s interest, instead slavishly parrot – nay, amplify – the affront.

        It’s hard to know which is worse, Labour or their Scottish media proxies. Each is busily trying to diminish the other down in public esteem here, and they still don’t realise it.

    • Hamish100 says:

      One thing he could not say is that the levels of covid are high in his “northern” town. During the 2nd lockdown in his city he berated the rules thereby encouraging breaches. He was sweating profusely on the tele maybe he hoped we wouldn’t remember. Still supported by the bbc in their diversion tactics.
      When will Manchester reach the equivalent of a level 2 or 1 in Scotland?

    • Bob Lamont says:

      It’s vaguely amusing Dr Jim if you listen to the Nick (He said nothing) Robinson exchange https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1406539827701501957 (the beauty of rewind and listen).

      Burnham was miffed and made a political point they got no warning from SG – Now pause and consider what mechanisms exist to update English Mayors ?
      Presumably the Secretary of Mince for Scotland or his sub-Lt (Ret.BHWFU) via #10 would have a duty to inform ?
      It’s only a question of why Burnham didn’t know, if you ignore the Jack/Bowie/#10 connection and will have known in advance and yet, did diddly squat ? Presumably Jack was shooting an annoying peasant or Bowie was drawing an even bigger Union Flag ?

      It was “He said nothing” Robinson who lead the diversion to the obvious question “What went wrong?” to the “furious” angle and hypocrisy over the Euros angles not Burnham.

      Yes the BBC “will always help out and oblige if there’s any anti SNP going” but let’s not blame Burnham for being played by a old pro-pagandist as Robinson most assuredly is…

  42. Hamish100 says:

    Ferdinand and negative comments. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09lzb1p
    He does get paid for this?

  43. Hamish100 says:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england/manchester

    Dear county councillor. Nice diversion concocted with the bbc.

    The Government of Scotland does not negotiate with a county councillor. You have to speak to your Westminster leader as a proponent of unionism as they were notified.

  44. Hamish100 says:

    Bumham in 2020- sound familiar?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54566717

    • Bob Lamont says:

      You DO note the BBC connection I hope, the clip I posted upthread, worth reviewing as to the BBC game (Nick Robinson) is playing here..

  45. Capella says:

    I watched the Through a Scottish Prism interview with Dr Alf Baird today. Alf has an interesting take on the legal position of the sovereignty issue, the type of union we are in and whether or not we are a colony, in which case the UN rules apply. Do we need a referendum? He does say at the end that he would have one.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-6vRuDgXRc

    But oh dear… the next half hour is almost entirely taken up with a whinge fest about “wee nippy” and how despicable she and the SNP are. Roddy is joined by Iain Lawson and a young lady called Karen for this Albatronic delight.

    Which is a shame because Alf’s contribution is worth hearing and discussing. There are links below to other things of interest.
    IL will be interviewing Jim Sillars on Wednesday in his blog Yours for Scotland. Can’t wait.
    Just off to find a bridge to jump off of. 😱

    • Alec Lomax says:

      Yep,”we’re saying that Scots only should vote in the referendum, no incomers”
      Or ex-pats such as himself?

  46. Hamish100 says:

    So the baurheid boy and his female guest only wants Scots to vote? He lives in Catalonia so that is ok. Sorry folks however hard it is I don’t want the “Andreeew neels” of this world voting from France.
    If you live in Scotland full time and pay tax then you can vote.

    This is civic nationalism.

    • Capella says:

      IIRC the SNP thought long and hard before Indyref1 about what the franchise should be. It was just too hard to accommodate anyone who is Scots but living overseas to vote. Where do you draw the line? Apart fro Andre Neil obviously.

      OTOH, if immigration from England is proceeding at the pace Alf Baird indicates then approx 450,000 will have arrived since 2014 before an expected referendum in 2022/23. We have no control over our borders, that is one of his definitions of a colony.

      We do have control over the franchise though. Would a residency rule be sensible?
      I do support the “living and working/studying” in Scotland rule of thumb.

      • Alex Clark says:

        That 450,000 figure is extremely misleading and says nothing at all about the nationality of the people who enter Scotland and absolutely nothing about the people who leave.

        There are statistics that show immigration/emigration to Scotland from other UK countries but they do not tell you whether it is a Scottish family returning to Scotland or an English family leaving.

        I wonder where he could possibly have gotten this figure from, we do know that at the last census in 2011 English born people living in Scotland made up 9% of the population which is roughly 450,000. I very much doubt that number has doubled since 2014 and another 450,000 English people now live here.

        The figures that can be found show that 948,000, moved to Scotland from other parts of the UK since Sep 2014 and that 752,200 left Scotland for other parts of the UK in the same period. This does not tell you where they were born so they could have been of any Nationality and not just UK born.

        https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/migration/migration-statistics/migration-flows/migration-between-scotland-and-the-rest-of-the-uk

        • Capella says:

          I think he said the figures were from research done by Edinburgh University after the 2014 referendum (not wanting to listen to it again to check atm). He says that the annual immigration from England is c 50,000. He thinks that Scottish people leave and English people move away thus changing the ethnic balance of the population. .

          But I would have to check the references.

          Much of his argument is influenced by Franz Fanon who wrote about colonialism and its evil effects as described in “The Wretched of the Earth”. Hence his comment that if you don’t control your borders you are in a colonial situation.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frantz_Fanon

          • Capella says:

            Sorry – English people move IN

          • Alex Clark says:

            I might look for the research as I’m interested in these claims but not just now, been a long day 🙂

            • Capella says:

              Me too 🙂
              I’m also interested in what are international standards in the Franchise? Westminster never hesitates to exclude people from voting to secure a result.

    • Alex Clark says:

      Alex Salmond was the leader who made the decisions over the franchise for the 2014 referendum and his choice was all who live in Scotland and have made it their home, regardless of origin or nationality. He also wanted 16 and 17 yo to have the vote and both of these requirements were written into the Edinburgh Agreement.

      Franchise
      9. The Referendum Bill introduced by the Scottish Government will create a franchise for the referendum. Both governments agree that all those entitled to vote in Scottish Parliamentary and local government elections should be able to vote in the referendum.

      10. The Scottish Government’s consultation on the referendum also set out a proposal for extending the franchise to allow 16 and 17 year-olds to vote in the referendum. It will be for the Scottish Government to decide whether to propose extending the franchise for this referendum and how that should be done.

      It will be for the Scottish Parliament to approve the referendum franchise, as it would be for any referendum on devolved matters.

      I very much doubt that he has since changed his mind and believes it should be “only Scots born and bred” that vote in a 2nd referendum, in other words blood and soil nationalism.

  47. Dr Jim says:

    “Born and bred” a fine thing to be but not a tool to be used against others who chose to be Scottish
    To choose to be here is harder in many ways and does our country honour more than just an accident of birth to be laid claim to as more right than any other

    “Born and bred” is exclusion in the wrong hands of the wrong kind of nationalist

  48. andyfromdunning says:

    I see that the SNP in a statement earlier has acknowledged via waffle that they have indeed used the ring fenced £600k funds for day to day costs. They do not have it but they have promised an IOU.

    • Alex Clark says:

      Is that right? Would you mind sharing where they acknowledge this?

    • Alex Clark says:

      Or at least point me in the direction of where you got your information from, that would help and I would be able to find it from there I’d imagine.

    • Stephen McKenzie says:

      andyfromdunning: That’s an interesting find! Where can we access that statement?

    • Hamish100 says:

      Andy the dumplin, no it doesnt. But you know that. Who is bankrolling ALBA ? Russian TV? Easy to start a conspiracy isn’t it.

    • ArtyHetty says:

      I don’tcare nor mind if the SNP used it for day to day costs quite frankly, they are not exactly bank rolled for campaigns etc like the Britnats are, and £600k, that’s peanuts, it really bloody is when it comes to political parties and all that…

  49. Capella says:

    The National has the statement from the SNP treasurer Colin Beattie – it’s quite long and detailed.
    However

    6. To be clear, by the end of 2020 a total of £666,953 had been raised through the independence related appeals and coded as such through the internal process. These donations are also included in – and have been reconciled with – the total amount for donations included in Party accounts from 2017 to 2020.

    :
    https://archive.fo/EcS3d

    • Bob Lamont says:

      The Auditors have consistently said the funds are there, Beattie now confirms it’s there, but the conspiracy nuts as ever are unconvinced, so wilfully misinterpret what IS said.🤐

      Amazing really, in all of SNP’s history there have never been so many conspiracies floating around as in the last few years as Indyref support is rising, you’d almost think somebody had orchestrated it….🙄

      Or is that a conspiracy theory 🤔

      • ArtyHetty says:

        I recall reading that a US president, can’t remember who but not recent of course, said, ‘if you think a conspirancy is going on, think ten times worse’. Seems apt in terms of the BritNats’ determination to keep Scotland shackled to the tyranny of the UK, in order to keep taking their massive resources an revenues, who’d give all that up without a fight of some sort.

        • grizebard says:

          Resources matter, it’s true, but I think it’s much more about prestige and potential loss of face in the world, “having a place at the top table” and all that.

          But whatever they think and feel, they can’t bluff or dodge from a public that no longer accepts their legitimacy to govern. That’s the beauty of it. (And why public access to the facts matters.) Winning over that majority is the key that unlocks the exit door for us.

          It’s not easy, but it really is that simple.

  50. Capella says:

    The National front page

  51. Capella says:

    One last post – Ivan McKee spelling out to Martin Geissler that he is the Minister for Business and knows all about it. https://twitter.com/Ivan_McKee/status/1406570601523953664?s=20

    • Dr Jim says:

      The Stuart Campbell fraud school of economics created the diversion that ring fenced meant separate accounting means separate account and the conspirators lapped it up
      Simply put I’ve got a ten pound note in the back of my wallet that I’m keeping ring fenced for McDonalds with my granddaughter but I also have twenty quid in the front of my wallet for ASDA shopping but all the money’s in the same wallet, my kid isn’t accusing me of fraud as long as she gets her McDonalds like I promised her

  52. Alex Clark says:

    That is the statement that was published yesterday On WoS.

    Stuart Campbell’s conclusion was this:

    “The punchline, of course, is the last sentence of paragraph 9.”

    The final sentence of paragraph 9 was:

    “there may be a need for a further fund raising exercise in 2022 as we approach critical political watersheds.”

    That’s it, the whole “analysis” of the “missing” £600k, there is no more other than that.
    No shit Sherlock.

    • Capella says:

      Yes but…where’s the missing £600,000??? … they will cwrry on whinging no matter how often it’s explained to them. Yawn.

    • grizebard says:

      Never mind, Stu Campbell’s also sitting on a stash of funds we all donated some time past for “Blue Book Mk2”, hasn’t he? Given his principles, in a separate account, ready for the day when it will be needed, and not slowly running on empty with a dearth of new donations since he morphed into StuAnon?

      Maybe he’ll lead by example and promptly make a statement to clarify all of his own funding/sourcing uncertainties…?

    • Golfnut says:

      I haven’t read the explanation given ‘re the fund, but from comments on FB much of it has been used fighting this election to secure an indisputable mandate to hold indyref, this was important internationally. I cant think of a better use for the fund as this was to my mind very much part of the Indy campaign.

      • grizebard says:

        Indeed, because without that crucial win – as at least every single opponent of indy knew well (if supposedly not some others) – there would be no indyref2 in prospect now. QED.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Aye, but without some implied criminality or corruption the rest of the conspiracy theories are weakened, hence the “we wiz robbed” malarkey to wind everyone up. Does the actual money matter a damn to the majority wanting a shot at independence ? Nope.

      It’s been a clever deployment of conspiracy in some ways, those orchestrating it have had so many disaffected strands to play with – Salmond stitchup, “missing” money, “nothing has been done since 2014”, “she doesn’t want independence”, with of course the classic response to any disagreement with any of the conspiracy strands as “cultism”.

      It’s a game like “Cluedo” but with an unseen hand rigging the game, and let’s be clear here, some very astute folks have been convinced the “dagger in the drawing room” is significant, but that is the nature of conspiracy propaganda, to unsettle.
      Even were the Indyref campaign to start tomorrow, a “revolver in the study” would turn up, such is the game the propagandists play.
      They are desperate to defund and weaken SNP support as the principal political vehicle hence destabilise mass support for Indy or delay it’s regrouping, rinse repeat.

  53. Alex Clark says:

    This is how much WoS claimed to have raised for his site and others since starting.

    Total as of 10 August 2020: £1,616,331
    (Wings Over Scotland: £899,806)

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/donate/

    • Alec Lomax says:

      Money for old rope.

    • grizebard says:

      Aye, so there was a “last call” way back in 2019 (Blue Book 2 and all), a fair whack of which went to Kezia and her lawyers, of course, and since then… what? He’s surely been living on other undeclared means for the last three years to keep what remains of his own “war chest” unsullied. His private life is his own, but in accordance with his own oft-declared principles he could still offer an assurance about the current state of his own public funding. He’s no more or less private over than than anyone else.

      BTW, I note a nifty turn of phrase re his past declarations:

      … including only those that have made over £1000 and which were done fully or mainly in transparent public view

      (my emphasis). So anyone who didn’t donate “in transparent public view” was evidently free to quietly slip him any old wad of dosh to sustain his sterling efforts at seeking public transparency. (Well, if only for very particular others.)

      Those old sayings about glass houses and kettles spring to mind…

      • Alex Clark says:

        He has stated many times that he takes no more than the minimum wage from the fund.

        • grizebard says:

          Should be easy-peasy then to practice himself what he fervently preaches to others. At least lagging if not exactly leading by example…

  54. Capella says:

    Newsnet have a detailed article on how the BBC politicised the pandemic and put saving the Union before saving lives. I can’t bear to listen to the clips but there are plenty of them to illustrate the point.

    https://newsnet.scot/news-analysis/how-bbc-scotland-politicised-the-pandemic-and-put-the-union-before-lives

    • grizebard says:

      Now that’s what I call real, evidence-based journalism. Not the vile ersatz simulacrum produced by the BBC from our (compuilsory) licence money.

  55. Capella says:

    BBC Scotland appear t be turning up the volume today for some reason.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      It’s merely the latest gimmick in the HMS Sarah Smith campaign of bad-SG/SNP.
      It will adopt the “bad communication/coordination” line developed by Nick (He said nothing…) Robinson with Burnham on the Marr show, complete hokum…

      What would be Andy Burnham’s normal communications channel ? As for ALL English Authorities, Mayors, etc., that would be London.
      Both London and he would have known had advance sight of the statement, so the feigned disappointment remoulded as anger by auld Nick is all theatre for the cameras.

      It’s so pathetic it had to have been orchestrated via the Union Unit, and when it it comes to backing up the pathetic, what better than a steaming Turdo and giant Baillie’s on set…

    • Hamish100 says:

      Mr Fraser and pretend Scottish Labour. Do you wish Scotland to have the same rates of infection currently inflicted on Manchester and other parts of England.
      Yes says both we are in a Union. It’s only fair. Or will it be essence bad, Nick bad , where’s the money, bad again, really bad snp. We will run Scotland down to keep England looking good.

      Their price to be britnats.

  56. Golfnut says:

    I’m not sure that ‘ good chaps ‘ ever really existed. A letter from John Steil in 1844 details much of what is wrong with the union and why. Not much has changed.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2515632431864953&id=100002546624725

  57. Hamish100 says:

    Golf nut- what a good letter from 1844 and ignored by the British and the British scotch.

    Ot
    I see baroness Davidson of that ilk has now put her oar in that Scots from outwith Scotland can vote in a referendum- that they said will never take place ! https://www.thenational.scot/politics/19386498.tories-pushing-scots-rest-uk-vote-independece/

    Does this mean as an ordinary Scot living in Scotland I am allowed to vote in the unelected House of Lords with her dameship? Funny how she is siding with the ALBA SSP types.

    Civic and civil rights should. Apply . Those living in Scotland vote. Even Scots people.

    • grizebard says:

      I would turn that observation around, actually, and say it’s funny-peculiar that the Alba SSP types are siding with “don’t call me Baroness” Davidson.

    • raineach says:

      It seems that the Tories are incapable of viewing politics other than through the prism of race

    • bringiton says:

      She is getting into the gerrymandering ways of England’s Tories.
      Never ask the electorate to vote unless you are certain of the outcome.
      I assume that when the Unionists demand votes for Scots living outwith Scotland,they are referring to those domiciled in England,many of whom are against Scottish independence.
      One of the reasons for that being they may well be treated as foreigners afterwards.
      On the same basis,we could demand that all those born outwith Scotland should be excluded.
      Both of these positions are bogus and the franchise must be the same as was agreed for indy1.

  58. Hamish100 says:

    Good point🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  59. Hamish100 says:

    When you see the English papers today no mention of the so call slight against Manchester.

    Turn to the majority Scotch unionist papers and Armageddon has arrived at our door.

    Such a contrived story produced by the bbc on the Marr programme yesterday. I do hope hope at the next FM briefing if asked a question on the topic and she will, the FM stops being so nice to the rat pack who call themselves journalists.

  60. Dr Jim says:

    I don’t know why we bother with elections at all, we should just ask the BBCs opinion on what elected politicians and governments should do after they’ve done one of their scientific phone ins or vox pops, that way the media get to do the job they really want to do which is to govern by populism with no need for a parliament and no responsibility to anyone, then if ever questioned they can refer to the * we asked the public on the phone and spoke to people” y’know the real democratic way of finding out what the public want

    I mean it is what the media moguls have been working towards forever anyway, media Nazi ism, we could have big screens in towns displaying the latest media instructions for our health safety and direction of movement as informed to them by their surveys of the people they choose to survey, what could be better than that eh?

    They could employ the popular figures of the day to appear on those screens like Andrew Neil, Kaye Adams, Kneel doon Oliver smiling benignly down at us as they deliver the great and important messages of the day

    Voting for principles and policy is so passe now *We don’t need no education* just direction, isn’t that the great new brighter tomorrow, I mean they’re doing it now anyway with the BBC where the public pays for an organisation yet is allowed no say in the running of that organisation because the government of the day which the BBC would do away with nominates a governor on the publics behalf then pays them as much as they decide undergoing no consultation with that public whatsoever

    We might as well give the whole system over to Camelot and the public just buys compulsory lottery tickets and the winners get credits to have a holiday of a lifetime in London where we can exchange our credits for wonderful gifts in participating outlets, the BBC can display the pictures of the glorious lucky winners across those big screens encouraging and ensuring us of that *brighter new tomorrow* for everyone, now bring on Katniss Everdeen, everyone likes a pretty girl

    That’s kinda the future we’ve all read about in the past, we’ve seen movies as well, doesn’t it all look great

  61. Alex Clark says:

    O/T A wee good news story about a big man.

    Highland hero Tom Stoltman becomes first Scot to win World’s Strongest Man

    https://archive.ph/wyaoK

  62. Alex Clark says:

    This is for Jack Collatin who predicted this would happen.

    Boris Johnson is under pressure from his Cabinet ministers to appoint Ruth Davidson to a prominent UK Government role to lead the fight against Nicola Sturgeon’s independence push.

    Senior figures want a new position of constitutional secretary to be created for Ms Davidson so she can head up the pro-Union campaign.

    There is a faint whiff of desperation surrounding the whole story, which includes the latest Unionist wheeze of allowing Scots living in other parts of the UK a vote in the second referendum. Those running Westminster have lost the plot about a 2nd referendum and are now running around in circles like headless chickens.

    https://archive.ph/yrtGj

    • I seem to remember that I said, ‘if there is a god, please let them be daft enough to appoint Baroness Rape Clause to head the Better Together team in Indyref 2.”

      As for Scots who left our shores for pastures new?

      Clear desperate nonsense from the Brit Nats.

      Didn’t they want to partition Moray too?
      Yesterday Martin Guiissler, Old Watsonian ‘Good Chap’ actually allowed Dross to declare that as the Australians sell all their beef to SE Asia, then the Australia Deal would not include steroid beef, cos there was none left for the Oz ranchers to send 12000 miles to a Tesco near you.

      Douglas Ross has achieved the impossible. He is even more of a prune than Carwell, Davidson, Goldie and Murdo 7, sorry, 8 times now, loser.
      How the fuck did this man get a ticket for Wembley anyway?

      Where did he find time off from his four jobs to travel to London on Friday, and make it all the way back up to Moray to have a wee cosy chat with his Good Chap pal Guissler on Sunday morning?

      BBC Scotland is now a withered Yoon husk.

      It is a risible little outpost of England now.

      If you don’t live in Scotland, you have no say in its future.

  63. Hamish100 says:

    Still it will allow Campbell of WofSc to vote for the lid dems policy on Independence.

    It shows the desperation of the tories and labour in attacking the snp and Scotland. A referendum that would never ever take place for another 40 years is now being planned against.

    The Scottish electorate voted in May and we’re quite clear that we want a referendum. It now look spring 2022 will have to be the time.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Aye, the Lib Dems policy on Scottish Independence is the same as the ABLA policy on Scottish Independence now, so the wee Qanon man can claim it really is the right not Independence as was not promised by Alex Salmond when he promised the original version

      Federapendencemax

  64. Hamish100 says:

    Ot

    With Billy Gilmour now covid positive maybe the Scotland team should have had their training camp in Scotland rather than northern England. Comments Mr Andy Burnham?
    Should the SFA claim compensation from the English authorities?

  65. Legerwood says:

    O/T
    OECD report on Scottish Education and CfE has now been released.

    Here is the link. Scroll down to get the table of contents and links to each chapter

    https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/scotland-s-curriculum-for-excellence_bf624417-en

    • Capella says:

      Isn’t that the OECD report the opposition parties were accusing the SNP of withholding till after the election? I’ve just had the very briefest of glances at the Executive Summary and can’t see why the SG should hide it. Perhaps GMS will tell us why we should be ashamed of ourselves again.

      • Legerwood says:

        Capella,
        Yes it is the final report. The version that the opposition parties were going on about was the draft version. Usual procedure is for the organisation, I e the OECD, to give a draft of the report to the commissioning body in this case the SG for comment eg on factual content before finalising the report. The SG were being accused of withholding the (draft) report but in fact it was not theirs to release because it was not the final report. The OECD made it clear the draft report was not to be released which was their right and the right and proper way to proceed. The OECD has now handed over the final report to the SG and it has been duly released.

  66. Clydebuilt says:

    12 Noon News Bulletins

    Radio 2: Nicola sturgeon (sounding very much up for it) “i’m confused as to why Andy Burnham is complaining. We have used the same notification process as we did for travel restrictions to Burnley ”

    Radio Scotlandreporter quoted a selected part of Scot Gov statement. . . . We are in a pandemic, action has to be taken quickly.
    Followed by Jackie Ballie labelling the Scot Gov’s actions as hypocritical. Pointing out that infections are higher in Dundee.

    Both stations are BBC

    So in England the BBC’s reporting is intended to rubbish Burnham the Labour Mayor. In Scotland the target is Nicola Sturgeon and the Scot Gov.

    One Broadcaster. . . . Two stations. Two versions of the news.

  67. Alex Clark says:

    You can be sure that the VIPs from UEFA will be coming to the UK for the finals at Wembley and will NOT be required to quarantine.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Sorry Alex, lost my original comment (my fup), but essentially this is a snow job… Boateng seems to have been nominated the “Look a Squirrel” envoy for the media today including justifying the dePfeffel Royal Yacht…
      If Johnson has deployed his own sister it must be serious what they are attempting to obscure…

      • Dr Jim says:

        Downing street says the Royal Yacht will be paid for by the MOD, you’ve gotta laugh, are the staff having a whip round for £2 hundred million quid? is it the tea money? sofa money?

        MOD money is taxpayer money, of course we’re aw daft and don’t realise that

  68. Alex Clark says:

    Sister of Boris, Rachael Johnson insists that it’s fine for 2,500 fat cats to come to the UK to go to Wembley without quarantining first as it will boost Englands chance of hosting the World Cup in 2030.

  69. Dr Jim says:

    Thee seems to be a nonsense punted by the UK English government that two jags makes you safe, it doesn’t, it makes you safer not immune and I know because I’ve had two jags and even though I’m the most careful old git going I caught the damn thing, it was mild because of the jags but I still got it and that means I could’ve transmitted the thing had I not taken care, so folks wandering around thinking they’re fine is very wrong

    • My neighbour, two doors down, caught it over the week end. He is my age, had the jags at the same time as I.

      But Guissler wants to know when his ‘business pals’ can serve Martie a glass of wine inside a pub; sorry, ‘wine bah’.

      Thousands have died but let the bodies pile high so the Middle classes can wine dine and drive their 4×4 up a rough hewn old track to their Portuguese villa.
      Feck them all.

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