Reasons for independence

This is the third in a series of articles looking at the topics which will dominate the coming independence referendum campaign. These pieces are aimed at undecided voters and soft no voters. In this piece I look at some of the reasons for wanting an independent Scotland

I want independence because …

There are as many reasons for supporting Scottish independence as there are people who support independence. Before I suffered a stroke and before the covid lockdowns I travelled the length and breadth of Scotland, meeting with Yes groups, talking to local activists, and speaking at local Yes organisations. What struck me most during all these travels is that no one I’ve met wants Scottish independence because they hate anyone, and certainly not because they might hate the English. That’s a nasty myth put about by opponents of independence in order to stop undecided people from engaging with arguments for independence.

Neither have I met anyone who wants independence because they believe that Scotland is better than anywhere else. No, overwhelmingly the reasons that people want Scottish independence is because they recognise that there is so much that is wrong with Scotland, and it needs to be fixed. We each have our own individual reasons for wanting independence, our own individual beliefs about what changes we’d like to see made in that Scotland once we achieve it. But what unites us all is the understanding that none of us can make any progress until we establish the principle that it’s up to the people of Scotland to decide what happens in Scotland. We can argue forever about whether we want a shot on the swings, or whether we want a go on the roundabout, but we can’t do anything until we build the independent Scottish park.

These are my own personal reasons for wanting independence. You may share some of them, you may have some other reasons of your own.  But none of us can start to make any progress on making Scotland a better place until we have an independent Scotland and the power to change this country lies with its people.

I want Scottish independence … because it’s the only way to rid ourselves of the obscenity of weapons of mass destruction on the Clyde. For decades we’ve marched. We’ve protested. We’ve established peace camps. Those of us who are old and long in the tooth were protesting against nukes when we were young, and now we see young kids embarking on the same journey of protest, a journey with no end, a journey that goes nowhere as long as we are subject to Westminster rule and a British state which fetishes nuclear weapons as the viagra of an impotent ex-empire. The only way to rid ourselves of Trident is with independence. Otherwise kids in Scotland will still be doing in forty years time what I did forty years ago, marching, protesting, and getting absolutely nowhere.

I want Scottish independence … because I grew up thinking that the poverty and deprivation, the inequality and lack of opportunity, which I witnessed in the East End of Glasgow in the 60s and 70s was normal. And now a new generation of East End weans is growing up thinking that foodbanks are normal. Well it’s not bloody normal. It’s an outrage in one of the richest nations on the face of this Earth. It’s an affront to human dignity that the British state prioritises tax cuts for the wealthy and turning the UK into a tax haven for drug lords and oligarchs over the provision of decent public services. It’s indecent that the poor are forced to pay for the crimes of the rich, but that’s the British way. I want Scottish independence so that we can start to tackle the inequalities and injustices which blight this country.

I want Scottish independence … because so many of us are fatalistic and resigned to our powerlessness that we self medicate on alcohol and drugs. We’ve learned that hope is something for other people, that it doesn’t matter what we say because no one is listening anyway. We’ve learned that the only way to live without hope is to anaesthatise ourselves into oblivion, a brief respite from the pain of the everyday. It’s no way to live. No way to die. We need to know that the bright light is the light of hope and a better future, not a paramedic shining a torch in our eye in order to check for a sign of life. During the independence referendum of 2014, for the first time in my life I saw ordinary working class people discovering that hope was something for them too, that they too could dream, that they too had a voice, and that voice was important and it counted for something. Independence gives us hope.

I want Scottish independence … because we’ve bred generations of Scottish people who have learned that it doesn’t matter how we vote. It doesn’t matter what Scotland’s people say that they want through the ballot box. We get what England votes for, our votes can only make a difference when opinion in England is narrowly divided. It’s only with independence that Scotland can get governments that it votes for, governments which are answerable to the people of Scotland and which work in their interests. It’s only with independence that Scotland can see the true strengths of democracy.

I want Scottish independence … because politicians need to be held to account. The British system rewards political failure. We kicked out Michael Forsyth yet there he still is, all these years later, in the House of Lords influencing our laws and deciding our futures. British governments don’t need to pay any heed to Scotland, so they make decisions without considering us, and we have no remedy against them. I want Scottish independence because politicians cannot be trusted, and we need to keep them close to us so that their arses are within kicking distance of our feet.

I want Scottish independence … because this should be a land that is welcoming. Scotland was always a shelter for people from all over the world, because for centuries it was literally the end of the Earth. Once you got to Scotland, there was nowhere else to go. This is a land of migrants, and we should honour those who do us the honour of choosing to throw their lot in with the rest of us and becoming a part of the story of Scotland. Brexit Britain is closed in, inward looking, intolerant, xenophobic. I want a kinder, gentler, more welcoming country.

I want Scottish independence … because we need to do something about land ownership. Vast tracts of our country are owned by faceless multimillionaires hiding behind shell companies. They’ve turned Scotland into a desert designed as the playground for the wealthy. The Highlands are so beautiful and empty because its people were turfed out into the slums of the Lowland cities to produce the wealth that allowed the rich to buy up the land. Meanwhile rural communities die and decline.

I want Scottish independence … because we need to unlock Scotland’s vast renewable energy resources. Scotland could be a beacon for the world, a beacon lit by energy from the wind and the waves. We need to create a sustainable economy, to reindustrialise in a green, carbon neutral and environmentally friendly way, but we can’t do that as long as the political and economic levers of our country are controlled by a Westminster dominated by Conservative politicians who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

I want Scottish independence … because despite being told that this country was a partner nation in the UK we were torn out of the EU against our will and without being allowed any meaningful input into the form that Brexit took. Scotland found that the Brexit which was foisted upon it was designed and created with the interests of right wing English nationalists in mind and no one else. Only independence will allow Scotland to rebuild a relationship with Europe which is in accordance with the desires and interests of the people of Scotland. Independence represents the quickest way back into the EU, if that is what the people of Scotland want.

I want Scottish independence … because we need a written constitution that spells out the proper division of powers between the legislature, the executive, and the judiciary. Within the UK we have an unwritten constitution which permits the powerful to make things up to suit themselves as they go along. That has to stop. But above all, we need a written constitution in order to establish once and for all that the only sovereign body in Scotland is the totality of the people of Scotland. This is our land, independence allows us to own it as citizens, instead of being subjects within it.

I want Scottish independence … because there is so much that is wrong with Scotland, and we need to fix it. We have waited patiently for generations for the Westminster system to fix Scotland for us, only to slowly come to the realisation that it has a vested interest in keeping Scotland weak, dependent, powerless, and marginalised. We kept the faith all through the bitter years of Thatcher, only to discover that the British Parliamentary road to socialism ended in bombs on the road to Baghdad. Westminster doesn’t want to solve Scotland’s problems, because it’s only by keeping Scotland impoverished and feeble that it can tell us that we need them, that we’re too small and weak to stand on our own two feet. The truth is that the only people who can fix Scotland’s problems are the people of Scotland themselves, and we need the powers of independence in order to do so. I want Scottish independence because generations of wise Scottish women have always told us, if you want something done, ye need tae dae it yersel.

I want independence … because Scotland is a land that is so rich in resources, possesses such an abundance of talent, is pregnant with so many possibilities. They need to be put to the service of the people of Scotland, and not leeched away to enrich the City of London. It’s only with independence that Scotland can blossom.

I don’t want Scottish independence because I hate anyone. I don’t want Scottish independence because I believe Scotland to be better than anywhere else. I don’t want Scottish independence because I hark back to a rosy vision of a mythical Scotland that has never existed. I recognise the issues Scotland faces. I want Scottish independence … because I see the problems of this country with a clear eye, and I want Scotland to have the powers to fix them. I want Scottish independence … because I want Scotland to be a normal country.

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152 comments on “Reasons for independence

  1. DonDon says:

    Excellent synopsis, Paul. But just one point: “Those of us who are old and long in the tooth were protesting against Trident . . . ”
    Surely anyone that long in the tooth was protesting against Polaris.

    • weegingerdug says:

      Good point – I changed it to nukes

    • Melb Don says:

      As a young lad in Glasgow doing my ‘Highers’, I went with friends on one of the ban the bomb marches to the Holy Loch protesting about Polaris. I still have the black ban the bomb badge to this day. Another reason for independence is to rid Scotland of the power of the elite, which I witnessed in action here in Oz. The Governor General, Kerr, in consultation with Betty dismissed the Prime Minister Whitlam, forcing an election, which, with the total support of all the media, caused him to lose. Never underestimate the power of the British establishment.

      • Cliff Griffiths says:

        This is the compelling answer to the brainwashed monarchists who say the monarch would never interfere with politics. 2 prominent royals are currently interfering in Scottish politics to undermine the independence movement.

      • Derek says:

        Nukes were the way in for me too; CND remains the only political organisation of which I’ve ever been a member.

    • cluthab says:

      Love it!
      Worthy of a mention in Private Eye pedants corner 😉

      Paul, today’s message cheered me up. Sitting moping with a very slow shifting lurgy and spending too much time on twitter reading and blocking the moaning Minnies slagging off the SNP. I will never call them perfect but they’re our route to indy, no argument.

      I’m getting on a bit but my chosen career, (ships engineer much of the time) enabled me to see a huge gulf between what Scottish people had compared to many countries I visited. The common thread? They weren’t controlled by by another country. Seemples.

      The latest establishment effort to sway our judgement by sending two privileged toffs north to our ‘remote’ territorys beggars belief. The sight of some old dear reaching out to touch the face of one was sickening.
      He’s met more Tongans apparently. Suddenly we’re important.

      Fear is abroad in Westminster, absolutely no doubt.

      Thanks Paul, you’ve geed me up, buy some nice biscuits 😉

      • Phil says:

        McVities … ? From Glasgow … ? Get them now in Turkey !

      • Drew Anderson says:

        Gave me a lift too cluthab, for similar reasons.

        No lurgy, but too much exposure to “the SNP don’t want indy” mince. Worse, the frothers that want a campaign now, when we can’t campaign effectively, rather than campaigning to win.

      • Derek says:

        It’s called “Pedantry Corner” these days, because there was so much argument over the position of the apostrophe…

  2. Molly's Mum says:

    I just want independence – please

  3. yesindyref2 says:

    Oh right. I’m 400 miles or so from Westminster, it would take me 2 weeks to walk there, and I’d be totally bedraggled and stinking when I got there, to make my protest and demand action from that Government – and it would be a waste of time.

    I could walk to Holyrood in 2 days, sleeping under a hedge on the way wrapped in a tarpaulin, and with a quick scoosh of deodrant, be right as rain to make my protest and demand action. I’d also be fit enough to be loud, very very loud. So I want my Parliament more local.

    Secondly, and more recently, this indy supporter / unionist thing is plain dumb, so the sooner we get to normal politics so politicians can’t get away with anything, the better.

    And thirdly, those policies will at least represent a good portion of the Scottish people, rather than mostly people who live in a country with 4 times the population density.

  4. Macart says:

    That was well said.

    Also? Same. 🙂

  5. James Mills says:

    I want Independence because … even after 300 years of the ”greatest union in the history of the world ” we Scots still have to listen to the ”too wee , too poor and too stupid ” jibe from the hard of thinking unionist .

    Well , if after 300 years of union this sort of abusive comment can be taken seriously by so many ( and it is ! ) then this union hasn’t worked for US !
    So I WANT OUT !

  6. Capella says:

    Yes to all of the above. I want us to have our own broadcasting service. We don’t hear our own voices. We are bombarded daily by the affairs of another country. We are stifled, muffled, silenced by the braying voices of people who have no interest in us. We hear their news and current affairs, their documentaries, comedies, dramas, their talks and discussions, interviews,music, history, social celebrations – and sport.
    It feels like sensory deprivation.

    If Scotland has a high rate of drug addiction it is a result of hopelessness and lack of a sense of belonging to a real community.
    We do have the internet thank goodness, at least, some of us do.

  7. Hamish100 says:

    We just want a better future for us, our children and our children’s children. We will make mistakes along the way but they will be our mistakes that we can correct and can make life better.
    It is normal to live in an independent nation.

    Ps I think nukes seems to nice a term for something that will incinerate babies, children, mums, dads and the rest of Scots in the west and central belt for 50 miles either side.
    Obscenity more like.

  8. Alex McCulloch says:

    I want Scotland to be Independent because I see Independence as the means to the beginning!

    The beginning of being able to implement our own choices.

    To choose a policy and funding approach to lift our citizens out of poverty, which today is 1 out of 5 people and growing.

    To choose to invest the correct share of our revenues in our state pension, raising it to nearer the European average, more than twice what UK allocates and issues to pensioners today.

    To choose, through time and collective effort, to shape a country as recommended by the Citizens Assembly which gives voice to the needs of our communities, speaking on behalf of the full spectrum of Scotland’s political views, beliefs and values.

    To choose to re-organise our governance in Scotland, to enable citizen participation in planning, decision making and budget allocation at community level, where people can become involved and take responsibility to influence the difference they want to see in their own lives and own areas.

    To choose to have our monies allocated and different policies pursued according to what we have endorsed at the ballot box.

    To choose to not be overly worried about manageable changes to our currency, borders and defence, that will be similar at first, then different then better!

    To choose to come together to talk about how we should invest, how we should tax, how we should care for the vulnerable?

    To choose how we should support our young people, in mind, body and pocket to be healthier, wiser and wealthier than generations before enabling their diverse talents to flourish, grow and contribute to an even better Scotland!

    Independence for me means a Scotland for everyone shaped by everyone!

  9. Alasdair Sutherland says:

    Virtually all the comments I have heard on the side of Independence are based on good common sense. We should cut our ties to the lying, scheming, corrupt, entitled scourge of the UK, the Tory party. We make our own decisions based on the needs of our own people, not just the offshore billionaires. We can sort the problems of our farmers, our fishermen, our energy sector, our industry once free from the constraints of pandering to the London-centric elite ruling class. Makes sense. But we need more. We need sentiment.
    Look at the debacle of the Brexit referendum. All the logical sensible arguments were on the side of Remain. All the Brexiteers had was lies, deceit, bullshit, and an appeal to the inner feelings, the sentiments, of a poorly educated and easily led crowd of voters. “Take back Control” “British and Proud”. Simple phrases that appeal to the heart of the simple minded. And they won, in England anyway. And they dragged Scotland with them. Project Fear in 2014 worked the same. Fear is a powerful feeling, and quite natural. But all young people want their independence from parental control. And young people are on our side. Old people learn fear, so teach them pride, pride in independence, back to their youthful ideals.
    I think independence needs an appeal to the heart as well as the head. We need to take back control, after 300 years. We don’t need lies, the Unionist stock in trade, but we need hearts and minds.
    I noticed a Wiki article on Latvia. The won their independence from the Soviet Union in about 1991. The referendum yielded 73% in favour of independence. Are we not as good a nation as Latvia? Are we not as proud, as staunch, as cohesive as Latvians?
    We could list all the dozens of nations that gained independence from London rule. Are we not every bit as viable, as proud a nation, as able to run our affairs, as all of those?
    We should point out the other examples, Norway separating from Swedish rule, Czech and Slovakia, Greece gained independence from Turkey, Iceland independent from Denmark, and so on. It’s normal for a nation to be independent. It’s normal to form alliances, trade groups, cooperate with others, but we can’t do that without independence. London rule is a straight-jacket.
    Logic may win minds, but to win independence we need to win hearts too.

  10. Statgeek says:

    Just posting this in the most recent post. Been crunching some numbers and adding some colour. Some maps of party performance in the recent elections. One thing I noted was that generally, when Con, Lab or Lib won a seat, the other unionist parties were very under-represented. Coordinated tactical voting, or just a general swing towards the party that used to be a main contender?

    Please note that grey = very, very bad vote share, and is a lost deposit.

    • Capella says:

      Thx – looks good. Collusion between the unionist parties means they have merged into one party and all but wiped out the Lib Dems. It looks increasingly like the Tories are the only firm opposition to independence.

      Someone tweeted recently: If you’re a Labour voter and you voted Tory in this election, you’re not a Labout voter at all, you’re a Tory.

      • Statgeek says:

        I crunched the numbers on something different. If (huge if) Con, Lab & Lib combined their constituency votes into one party the results would have been:

        New big union party 40
        SNP 33

        However, if they combine, they have to forgo tactical voting amongst the ‘big three’, and the regional list seats are:

        New big union party 24
        SNP 24
        Green 8

        Total seats:
        New big union party 64
        SNP + Green 65

        😀

        I didn’t bother combining SNP & Greens, since they have no need to pool their votes. So short of the unionists becoming 1 or 2 parties, and some new list party appearing, it’s still an Indy Scot Gov. Of course, there would be more UKIP or Unity voting as a result, and that would impact the Big Union party from getting more regional list seats.

        So the magical formula is to have 1 large constituency party, and one large list party. Essentially the Alba folks’ formula, only Alba wasn’t ever going to be the big party.

        The ‘big union party’ removes the 3:1 debates, the 3:1 studio coverage, and the 3:1 FMQs etc. It becomes a 2 party + 1 or 2 minnows system, with the media unable to claim that they give fair coverage etc. Additionally, the big party can’t parrot as 3, or hide behind each others’ results.

        The downside being that at Westminster, the BUP would have taken 40-44 of 59 seats in Scotland doing the same calcs, depending on if Green votes are added to SNP or not. #ouch

        Suffice it to say, the SNP are doing well out of FPTP (for now).

        • Capella says:

          Hmmm – depends on psychology too. Would Labour voters hold their noses and vote Tory en masse? 40% of them want independence. They might as well hold their noses and vote SNP. With independence they can stand against the SNP in a Scottish Parliament with some prospect of winning.

          • grizebard says:

            That’s my reaction also. Bitter Together nearly did for the Labour Party back in the aftermath of IR1, as the current informal alliance has virtually done for the FibDems, so a putative Unionist Party would likely not just leave them in the same (media-advantaged) place, but finally definitively destroy the LibLabs and cross the tipping point for indy. So it’s not likely to happen, very interesting an analysis though this is.

            Besides, there’s just no way of getting two big indy parties, one for FPTP and one for the lists. Like it or not, it’s the SNP or nothing. We just have to keep their feet to the fire and actively counter the PeteWishartites.

  11. Dr Jim says:

    We’re not better yet we expect the worst, we’re used to the worst and accept it as though fate always decreed it so, there’s a reason for that, 300 years of being told we will lose followed by 300 years of lack of confidence to do anything about it, we exclaim damn! for five minutes then carry on as before because it’s never ending and our heads drop because we’re used to it like missing the bus or the shop closing five minutes before we got there and it’s started raining again

    We eat too much food, not because we’re hungry, it comforts us, we drink too much alcohol for the same reason, we’re clever yet don’t brag, we don’t want others to think we’re big headed, we’re funny because humour is our way of coping with life not of our making, we have expressions like “If ye didnae laugh ye’d cry”

    Who stole Scotland’s confidence like the Irish used to tug their forelocks to their English masters, like the Jews in the 1930s to their Nazi masters, these people are free now and don’t tug their forelocks or grovel to anyone anymore, yet Scotland still grovels, who stole our confidence and are fighting to keep it from us still, who stole our confidence and are still telling us we never had any in the first place

    Who tells us we are poor, wee and stupid, Scotland invented the modern world and even that was stolen from us, who tells us we can’t make it on our own yet deep down every one of us knows it’s them who can’t make it on their own, who brainwashes their own people into believing they’re better than others and they believe it

    England

    No other country who ever took their Independence from England in all history has asked to return

    • Clydebuilt says:

      In all the BBC programes on Scotland’s drink and drugs problems they never get down to what really lies behind them. If they did it would be game over for the Union.

  12. James Mills says:

    The London-centric view :

    Independence is normal for every country – but not Scotland !

    Every nation has a right to self-determination – but not Scotland !

    Even the poorest nation can survive running its own affairs – but not Scotland !

    Every nation is entitled to decide who governs them – but not Scotland !

    The UK is happy to support self-determination for all nations – but not Scotland !

    Every country can decide when it wants to have a referendum – but not Scotland !

    Every country has the right to decide who lives within its borders – but not Scotland !

    A majority of democratically elected politicians gives any parliament a mandate to run their own affairs – but not Scotland !

    Every nation has control of its own media/broadcasting – but not Scotland !

    Every nation has the right to refuse to house nuclear weapons on their soil – but not Scotland !

  13. Lovely. Paul.
    One thing, I don’t want independence. Tis statement seems somewhat counterintuitive.
    I am independent now.
    I demand that we dissolve this Union, through the ballot box.

    There is no other way, if we truly want independence. A government of the people, by the people, accountable to the people, and serving the people.

    We are faced with an incredible struggle to convince enough Scots citizens that the present situation cannot continue any longer.

    I watched Gary Robertson going through the motions with Willie Rennie today, a man who has no mandate to speak for Scotland, as the recent SGE clearly indicated.
    Robertson asked Rennie ‘Are you concerned about No shows at vaccination centres, in reply to which rennie launched in to a series of ‘What I want to see is..’ fatuous nonsense..and robertson nodded in the right places.
    The sheer volume of this Anglo Scot rubbish on our screens, airwaves, and pulp Blahs has been unrelenting, especially since 2014.

    This is the real enemy. A Scottish Anglo hierarchy controlling the very news which we are allowed to hear, read, or watch in our MSM.

    Who is paying to keep the Herald and Scotsman afloat?
    There is no way that they are earning money from sales or adverts.
    But as long as they churn out the Brit junk day by day, then nobody will check the books.
    I would be branded a criminal if I didn’t pay my licence..yet the BBC is no more than the Propaganda outlet for the English Oligarchy.

    BBC Breakfast epitomises this…we get 3 1/4 hours of English news pumped in to our living rooms..if we choose to switch on of course.

    It would suit the Iron Heel Oligarchy if there were a complete news black out in Scotland..which in effect is what hours of cricket English football, the Chelsea Flower Show, rammed down out throats amounts to.

    They have treated us like a conquered colony, and ‘anglified’ every aspect of our lives.

    I do not want independence, I demand it.

  14. Bob Lamont says:

    Well said, your parting shot says it all for me, “I want Scotland to be a normal country”.

    Had been reading a piece earlier over on Talking-Up-Scotland which wonderfully illustrates the abnormality of present day Scotland https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2021/05/25/though-surrounded-by-windfarms-scots-pay-more-for-electricity/ an obscene distortion created by London politicians to favour the south of England.
    It has ever been thus –
    – From the hydro-electric boom to Nuclear, “so cheap to produce electricity it won’t be worth billing” heralding a bright new future which never turned up.
    – Thatcher’s decimation of industry heralded a rebuild which arrived in the company of PFI, a scam still bleeding money to this day to the south of England.
    – When global warming raised alarm across the planet, London responded with extra taxes and a carbon-exchange, what kind of people look at that as a solution ?

    I left the UK over 20 years ago seeing no future under the insidious creep of Tory dogma, only increasing debt. Austerity, food-banks, working parents scraping by trying to raise their kids unable to afford a house, actually proved worse than I expected, but none of these abominations are normal, they are imposed by a London mafia not because there is no alternative, but because they so choose.
    There is only one way to break that stranglehold, Independence, become a normal country.

    • deelsdugs says:

      In total agreement Paul, and Bob, the ‘normal country’, says it all for me too, because that’s just it, Scotland is a country. And to be honest, I’m increasingly swayed to leaving the bonnie land in the near future, for a country that is independent, if independence is cast aside by the undecideds who don’t like change, who think that politics doesn’t affect them, who like their cosy lives of office, home and out in the ‘wilderness’ Scottish waters, or up the hills at the weekends, or take to their caravan or log cabin in the human, concrete parks for their ‘getting away from it all’ much-needed break away from the office…that very office of officialdom that prevents them from seeing a better future for their country.

      A wee note, the whole anti-nuclear theme has been long forgotten…remember how Glastonbury began, that’s what it was all about and now the BBC and the rest have turned it into their fest of pleasure…

  15. Karl says:

    Without an official campaign that focuses on the vote to independence, I fear we are just talking to ourselves as already committed supporters of independence.

    The audience of undecided voters will not engage until they are actively included in the conversation by offering a point when that decision will be made and that, as a country, we can all work towards.

    • Capella says:

      I think it’s good to talk. I’ve just listened to a Common Weal podcast reflecting on the election results. Common Weal do a lot of policy development on issues that are of great interest to voters – the national care service, rent control, land reform, universal basic income etc.

      I stopped listening to them when Robin MacAlpine made his unwise comments on the leadership of the SNP based on what appeared to be gossip and hearsay. But now that he has taken a back seat, maybe it’s time to revisit Common Weal and see what an independent Scotland could look like.
      https://commonweal.scot/index.php/

  16. Capella says:

    SNP Social Justice and Fairness Commission Report, route map to a fair and independent Scotland.
    https://www.snp.org/social-justice-and-fairness-commission-a-route-map-to-a-fair-and-independent-scotland/

  17. The Gillies says:

    Like all of the previous texter’s I crave for independence for my country. Even since Wendy Wood’s attempts to move the Border sign to Berwick upon Tweed a wee bit south of where I lived and was born.
    I am constantly reminded by a quote from the great Gandhi who said ,” Independence was never given, but had to be fought for.”. He knew!
    We must fight and fight hard to rid ourselves of this english based Goverment.
    It will never be easy but it can be done.

  18. Izzie says:

    I want independence because I want to be proud of the country to which I belong. I want a passport that is issued by a government which doesn’t drag it’s young people into illegal wars. One which has a reputation for fairness and justice.

  19. Dr Jim says:

    Dominic Cummings is giving Scotland all the assistance we could possibly need by dropping nuclear bombs all over the Johnson English government, and he’s got the proof that exposes them

    • gullaneno4 says:

      Flippin Nora……he is really taking no prisoners, speaking very clearly and very precisely about the plan A failures.

      How Johnson and Hancock will survive this is going to be interesting.

      • James Mills says:

        Handcock and Johnson ( perfectly paired ) will survive – cockroaches always do !

        • Tam the Bam says:

          Of course they will!…..Not only are they the co-authors of “The Art of Mendacious Politics”…..they practice what they preach!
          “When in a hole … keep digging!…and keep lying … and then lie some more!”
          … and then deny everything!…..and deflect….”Nothing to see here…move along!”

    • Capella says:

      Turns out it was Nicola Sturgeon’s fault.
      They would have a meeting and she would just go out tell everybody what she wanted.
      What a hussy!

  20. Mrs Sheryl Hepworth says:

    Beautifully rendered Paul and all the other duggers!! If we are (Scotland) to be a nation, proud, ancient, trustworthy and welcoming again the we MUST have the powers denied us for so long! It’s not a case of we’d like it, it’s a case of we MUST have Independence and very soon!

  21. wm says:

    As usual Paul, a first class post you never missed much. Scotland, like every other country is a business and the people of Scotland (nobody else) should be in charge of that business. Let us show the World we are not too wee too small or to stupid, to be one of the most successful countries in the World. We have the natural resources and the people to do so.

  22. GerryC says:

    I 100% agree, Paul that the SNP provides the only viable route to independence, and that your pro Indy site should not be used as a vehicle by opponents to hinder the cause.
    However, there are many genuine Indy supporters and activists who believe that the SNP leadership have made mistakes, the SCG for example. There will be disagreements over EU Membership, NATO, at a constitutional level and then things like currency, pensions, taxation, drug policy, nationalisation of key industries etc at a domestic political level.
    I have my views on these and other issues and of course, I think my views are correct, but I accept there will be many who disagree. Unionists state that they want “clarity” on this, that and the other before they would even consider Indy. My view is that all these matters are up for debate and that Scots are big and able enough to have mature debates, make decisions and move forward. Sure, these debates may be acrimonious, but they will be necessary. That’s democracy.
    I’d have thought Scots would be ultra wary of “oven ready” proposals after the Brexit fiasco and be willing to participate in these debates.
    So Paul, I’m asking how much debate you’ll allow if it involves criticism of some planks of current SNP policy. e.g. The Growth Commission.

    • raineach says:

      Surely the ‘clarity’ is that the electorate of Scotland will, from time to time, determine the arrangements for the governance of Scotland? We may not agree amongst us what all those arrangements should be but we agree who it is who should be deciding them

    • Dr Jim says:

      The Growth Commission isn’t SNP policy it’s only a document for consideration like all ideas any government considers, there may be some ideas taken forward, there may be none

    • grizebard says:

      If you are that focussed on the minutiae of SNP policy now, you have entirely missed the point. It doesn’t matter a damn what the SNP policy is on anything at all except in regard to independence, because they are the only means of achieving it.

      We can all have our individual gripes about one thing or another – how could it realistically be otherwise? – and it is equally encumbent on the SNP to keep in mind the dangers for even the best government, in holding power for a long time, of accumulating a varied collection of people whose “noses have been put out of joint” by one decision or another. So it can’t afford to sit tight for ever.

      The fundamental question that besets all of us is “when is the right time to act?”. But neither the “kamikazes” who would go too early and lose again, nor the “infinite delayers” who would never bring themselves to try, are right.

  23. exile says:

    I want indeoendence for Scotland because……the unelected House off Lords means the UK has never been a full democracy.

  24. jfngw says:

    I see many of the Alba’s supporter attacks is now how badly Nicola Sturgeon handled the Covid response. To put this in context, England’s tested death per million is near 2000, Wales 1700 and Scotland 1400.

    Scotland’s figures is less than the EU and the European rates. It doesn’t match the numbers from other parts of the world but making those comparisons is meaningless when you are in a continent with such a high rates.

    They will bring up Finland and Norway but these are exceptions, very European few countries have rates below 1000 (12 but I don’t know if I trust the numbers from a couple of these countries). If you split the UK into it’s component countries Scotland & NI are in the bottom half of death rates, England and Wales in the top.

    Cummings states NS was a hindrance to a four nations approach, this means an England approach in reality, we should be thankful she did as it has saved a few thousand lives.

    • Statgeek says:

      If Scotland had had full control of its borders, its aviation and its finances to target Covid, we’d be in a far better position.

    • grizebard says:

      If someone is attacking NS over “badly handling” Covid when admitting to being human and making mistakes yet still doing well despite being severely constrained by an English Government that was self-confessedly “sleeping at the wheel”, a bunch of blinkered incompetents led by a buffoon who was taking it as just an inflated scare story and who believed that the “solution” was just letting it rip, they’re a Unionist.

      Let’s not beat about the bush now, if you walk like a Unionist and quack like a Unionist, that’s what you are. No excuses. And thus you have no place in the ongoing independence movement. Whine away as much as you like, you’re doing it in a vacuum. Wasting your energy. No-one is listening. You’re gone. Done.

      • jfngw says:

        I think it is much more complex than that. Many of these people have been active for years and were around in 2014. They have become fixated on issues other than independence. It was once described by WoS as the ‘Buckaroo’ principle, that was before he joined the Buckaroo’s of course.

        • grizebard says:

          I know what you mean, but in the end it’s not difficult to read. The people have spoken, their preferences are clear, yet the Buckaroos continue to unrepentently attack our re-elected pro-indy government. They have crossed a line and are now effectively working for the opposition. And it’s visible to all. Their past actions and current motives have become irrelevant.

          There is – and must be – plenty of room for energetic and constructive debate, but not for wanton backstabbing to no purpose except bring succour to the enemy. By persisting in this they have effectively neutered themselves. They are now shouting into a void of their own making.

    • Drew Anderson says:

      Devi Sridhar on the Guardian favourably contrasts the Scotgov approach to Westminster’s:

      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/26/public-health-experts-warned-covid-disaster-dominic-cummings-herd-immunity-deaths

    • bringiton says:

      4 nations approach as in England’s government telling the other 3 nations how it was going to be.
      Sounds like their recent proposal for a “consultation” of the 4 nations is just the same.
      How can there be 4 nations when all you spout is one nation,one people,one state?

  25. grizebard says:

    I’m just eagerly anticipating DRoss, Sarwar, Uncle Willie Cobley and all to burst out in unison on the BBC tonight in harsh condemnation of a government which has actually done all the bad things about which they have been so mightily exercised for ages.

    An English Government. Oops.

    By their impeccable standards, heads in London must surely roll as a consequence.

    • Tam the Bam says:

      Dont hold your breath!

      • grizebard says:

        Indeed.

        Saw Devi Shridhar say her piece on C4 news just now, and thankfully she was having nothing to do with Krishnamurthy’s predictable attempt at facile English equivalencing. Quietly and succinctly made the relevant points about the SG breaking from the SAGE monopoly yet having its hands tied behind its back in several critical respects like border control and economy.

        We need much more of this kind of positive support from publicly-trusted individuals with influence.

  26. perthcol says:

    Spot on, in all respects.

  27. Petra says:

    Brilliant article Paul. One of your best ever. I want independence for all of the reasons that you’ve highlighted plus the concerns that I have about Westminster ultimately irreversibly decimating Scotland through fracking. Living with not ever really knowing what another country is going to do next to the detriment of our beautiful country and wonderful people is totally intolerable for us and absolutely insufferable for the vulnerable in our society. More than anything it’s for the latter group that I carry on being part of the independence movement. It’s basically down to US now to put an end to the abominable situation that we find ourselves in.

  28. Petra says:

    And on and on it goes with Westminster calling the shots 🤬.

    ‘Billions of pounds of green investment jeopardised by GB regulations which favour EU energy imports.’

    ..”Although the Prime Minister is focussed on levelling up economic opportunities for all parts of the country in a Green Industrial Revolution, this analysis shows how Ofgem is overseeing a system which favours investment in the south of England and the EU.”..

    ..”The author of the research, Associate Director of RIDG Marc Smeed, said: “Of 36 countries in the European transmission network, 20 do not charge generators at all and only five levy charges based on location. Compare this to Scottish offshore wind projects, which our analysis forecasts will pay £10/MWh – around a quarter of a project’s revenue – to access the grid in the years ahead.”..

    http://www.renewableuk.com/news/566795/Billions-of-pounds-of-green-investment-jeopardised-by-GB-regulations-which-favour-EU-energy-imports.htm

    ………………………………….

    Check out Ann’s latest links on the Indyref2 site.

    https://indyref2.space/forum/topic/links-wednesday-26-may-2021/

  29. Petra says:

    Watch:- ‘Dominic Cummings criticises Nicola Sturgeon over Covid briefings.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19329523.dominic-cummings-criticises-nicola-sturgeon-covid-briefings/

    ……………………………

    Check out The National for the latest news.

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/

  30. Golfnut says:

    Common sense really.

    82/

  31. Alex Clark says:

    So we have had the Dominic Cummings version of what went on at the heart of Westminster government decision making pre-pandemic and it confirms everything we already knew.

    They were that ignorant of the seriousness of the situation and the arsehole Johnson even offered to go on TV and be infected with the virus in order to show it was all going to be OK if you caught it.

    Johnson thought it was OK to let all the over 80’s that caught Covid die if it meant he could keep the economy going, that’s how stupid he is and yet all his cabinet went along with the herd immunity strategy that has resulted in many more thousands of people dying before their time.

    I’ve no idea what the fall out, if any, will mean for the Tory party with English voters or Scottish for that matter but I am certain the rest of the world will be looking on and asking just what in the hell has happened to the UK and why did they put a clown in charge.

    Beats me.

  32. yesindyref2 says:

    There was talk of a coalition between SNP and Greens before the election, and in fact that was apparently even if the SNP had an overall majority. It puts the Scottish Government then, in the same position as the UK Government between 2010 and 2015, but also comparable to the effective overall majority Tory – DUP agreement in 2017, which saw constitutional upheaval in the UK. That may or may not have legal or political significance considering things to come!

    The SNP and Greens have nearly matching commitments to Indy Ref 2 in THIS parliamentary terms in their manifestos. A formal agreement makes this an overall majority, in stronger terms than a confidence and supply arrangement. It is still, of course, Parliament that has the constitutional power, not government.

    • Golfnut says:

      Looks like this was planned for regards Cabinet posts, there would have to be at least 1 if not 2 ministerial positions given to the Greens

    • grizebard says:

      I’m not sure what you’re trying to suggest here. Whatever the merits of an SNP+Green coalition might be in terms of indy mandate (if not on everything else), the ministerial posts are all filled now, as far as I can see, and none of them are Greens. There was a lot of talk before the election, but nothing seems to have come of it.

      And maybe the Greens are more wary of the prospect than they might like to show, because a public largely weaned on UK “winner take all” FPTP elections and with an almost total lack of understanding of how coalition governance works, tends to punish the junior partner at the next election. To wit: the LibDems here, who did badly in the election where the SNP overtook Labour and formed its first (minority) government.

      • yesindyref2 says:

        I think there were 12 in the last term, but only 10 this time so far.

        They could appoint a green as Minister for Indy Ref 2, that would really blow the minds of the Wangers.

    • Petra says:

      Nicola Sturgeon and the Greens? Along the lines of Ardern’s party and the Greens in New Zealand? Sending out the clear message that it’s not only the SNP in Scotland that want Independence? Maybe the opportunity to give the formidable Lorna Slater a voice? The latter which might prove to be a mistake.

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/01/new-zealands-labour-and-greens-formally-sign-cooperation-deal

  33. Jonathan Marshall says:

    Well said Paul I couldn’t agree more.

  34. Petra says:

    No doubt the Dominic Cummings version of events is just the tip of the iceberg and, as one example, they are all covering up the true extent of the number of Covid related deaths. They say that 127,000 people have died in the UK whilst IHME research findings indicate that over 209,000 people have died from Covid in the UK. All of these people gone now 😩, 127,000 or 209,000, due to callous, ignorant, arrogant buffoons ruling the UK roost. Buffoons that the Scots haven’t voted for in over 60 years. What more is it going to take for the “soft” No’s to waken up and support us, FGS?

    One of the main contributory factors relating to this horrendous mortality rate has no doubt been due to lack of, or more so no real border control. Australia with a population of 26 million has lost 900 people to Covid, in the main, because they implemented stringent International and National border controls. If ever there was a reason for wanting our Independence and in fact a hard border it must be this.

    http://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/covid-19-how-many-australians-might-have-died-if-wed-had-outbreak-england-and-wales

    Meanwhile as the BBC et al report on the horrific Westminster / Cummings revelations JK@SGP has taken to castigating Jason Leitch. Tbh it’s becoming more and more depressing visiting so-called pro-independence sites now. Wingers alternate between discussing recipes and wishing NS dead, Peter Bell is back still intent on spreading his depressive tommyrot to all and sundry and JK has lost the plot. Thank God for Paul, his site and the normal down to earth posters who help me to hold onto my sanity. What’s left of it 😀.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Leitch was the guy back then who said it was useless to wear a mask, and nobody should wear one. Whenever he’s on the TV or radio I tell him exactly what he is.

      • Petra says:

        I know that Leitch made “herd immunity” botch-up comments, but is it really the time to be calling that out yesindyref2? He also cleaned up his act after that. I don’t want things to be swept under the carpet but the constant focus on SNP Baad by some pro-Independence bloggers with nought being said about the real culprits / enemy really gets me down and is beyond the pale, IMO.

        • Dr Jim says:

          Jason Leitch turned out to be a great asset and he’s a real grafter, one of the good guys

        • yesindyref2 says:

          It had already been in the news hours earlier before SGP wrote his blog. From the Herald: “She repeatedly insisted that she was “following the science”. And the truth is that she was. I don’t criticise the FM for this. At the time, her scientific advisers, like the National Clinical Director Jason Leitch, were advising against lockdown, saying the disease had to “work its way through the population” until herd immunity kicked in.

          It doesn’t do Indy any good trying to change history, too many people remember the real one. He was a big-mouthed **** back in March 2020, a liability. At least both SGP and McWhirter tell it as it is – some of Sturgeon’s advisers got it wrong.

          • grizebard says:

            All true, as I say below, but people like JK now trying to turn it into an anti-SNP/SG bash for his own barely-hidden reasons, when everything is already far too heavily politicised by the idiot “four nations forever” BritNats, is just not helpful either. He is right to defend his own correct position then, but not to pretend that he was defending the entire free world against an oppressive army of rabid SG supporters. By that inflation he merely further diminishes his already-diminished reputation.

            • yesindyref2 says:

              I was wearing a mask some time before the lockdowns. Made life easy in the supermarket, everyone would skidaddle out of your way. I had them anyway for work – dust and smells, plain ones and ones with the breather thing. Really saves the lungs when you remember to put them on. Also had the anti-bacterial handwash and Purell hand sanitiser at my unit, so I used them. As did quite a few tradespeople I knew who also had masks. When Leitch said “Oh don’t wear masks, they’re useless”, I took stick for saying “He’s wrong, at the least it can’t do any harm”, so I can see where SGP is coming from . I had no view on the herd immunity, but he did and he was right and most other people were wrong. Including the dreaded Leitch, not my favourite idiot. Good for SGP, and why shouldn’t he blow his own trumpet? Is anyhbody else doing that for him?

              More to the point, we’re not going to make friends and influence people to vote YES if when an SNP politician does a dump in the middle of a crowded room, we say, oh, it was the right thing to do because they’re the SNP and they can’t do anything wrong.

              • grizebard says:

                But yes, you and I are, in our own small way, doing that for him.

                However, using it as a cover for doing a frustrated loser anti-SG dump in effective alliance with the Britnats on a government which at the time was just “finding its feet” on a very unique issue isn’t going to convince anyone to convert to indy either, is it? Which is why the Britnats have attacked the SG throughout, even though they were the very ones, with the help of the likes of the BBC, shouting at the SG the whole time for daring to be different, when in fact the SG was consistently doing it better. They are still trying to rewrite history on that, but thankfully there are people “in the know” like Devi Sridhar who are having none of it. That truth is what really wins converts.

                I was also openly critical at the time over what Jason Leitch was doing, but I won’t condone using him as a proxy means of continuing to backstab the SG either. This kind of self-destructive nonsense has just got to stop. It clearly doesn’t help.

      • grizebard says:

        It was all part of what Devi Sridhar was talking about yesterday, The SG started off with a mistaken “four nations” approach together with all the baggage inherited from SAGE and the BoJo Ostrich Government of England, and will arguably be seen as the biggest mistake it made throughout. Leitch was a very visible part of that, being the “house salesman” if you like, not himself being a virologist or epidemiologist. To be fair JK@SGP did call out that mistaken inherited approach at the time, and he was right to do so.

        That was back then, but as Prof Sridhar also said, the SG wised up very quickly and set up its own advisory board of experts, and has never looked back since. Jason Leitch included. You’re only as good as the advice you get and take seriously.

        • ArtyHetty says:

          The Scottish government were led down the garden path by the BritNat media, they were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t.
          The BritNat media and the English government were laughing their heads off, they knew they had Scotland by the short and curlies at the start of the pandemic. They were livid when Nicola Sturgeon diverged from the English government’s deadly herd immunity tactics, in order to save lives in Scotland, which is what a government should do, legally, morally and ethically.
          If the Scottish government had not diverged, many more people in Scotland would have died.
          It does not bare thinking about actually, had a BritNat party been at the helm at Holyrood this past year, utterly terrifying thought.

    • ArtyHetty says:

      Talking up Scotland and WGD are my go to Indy blogs, there are a couple if others less well known on Word press.

      It’s worth spending time if possible, watching Scotland at 7, can be watched anytime via YouTube, made by Broadcasting Scotland.

      Also Indy car Gordon Ross.
      Here he is talking about English controlled OfGEM pricing Scotland’s renewables industry out of the market. It’s akin to sanctioning Scotland imo.

      • Capella says:

        Thx Artyhetty, you always post some interesting videos. I don’t do Facebook so can never watch on Gordon Ross’ Facebook page.

        The info on the charges on Scottish energy producers to connect to the grid are truly shocking. I have seen a map of the UK with huge discrepancy between Scotland and England starkly depicted. Needs more publicity.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      The casting up going on here and elsewhere following the Cummings session has gotten ridiculous, perhaps even deliberate diversion, Leitch et al were following the 4-Nations approach on SAGE advice, it really is that simple.

      Aside Cummings’ evisceration of those directly involved, it was his his evidence over the Care-Homes decant which to me was the most glaring, simply due to media response.

      NOT A PEEP on this from the Scottish media, Opposition politicians or corporate owners, despite their collusion in conducting the most scurrilous smear campaign for almost a year now to blame SG and only SG for what resulted.

      Where are their apologies now with pics of Freeman and Sturgeon on the front pages ?

  35. Capella says:

    At the start of the epidemic, the Scottish Government followed the SAGE advice. Within a month they realised their mistake and set up their own clinical advisers.
    However, there’s nothing they can do about closing the borders, that’s reserved.

  36. Capella says:

    I like Jason Leitch. He’s very down to earth and practical. He is on the Saturday R Scotland Sport show with Stuart Cosgrove and he answers listeners questions.

    At the start of the pandemic the WoS anti-NS anti-SG brigade were furious with Jason Leitch for reasons I could never fathom. They said he was “just a dentist” and was a “loudmouth” etc. I concluded his greatest fault was that he was somehow connected to Nicola Sturgeon.
    Yes, he followed the SAGE wrong advice in the first week or so. But they soon got their own group of advisers and things improved immensely after that.

    The lesson surely is that following Westminster is dangerously wrong. Scotland can do better and we do better listening to our own scientists. The fact that Whitty and Valance were both former (perhaps still are) employees of the pharmaceuticals industry may explain the skewed advice coming from SAGE.

  37. Petra says:

    Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford still having to take the lead.

    ‘Scottish and Welsh FMs urge PM to ensure “meaningful” Covid summit.’

    http://www.gov.scot/news/scottish-and-welsh-fms-urge-pm-to-ensure-meaningful-covid-summit/

    …………………………………….

    And lets not forget that Cummings, the not so smart man, was a key figure too when we were dragged out of the EU.

    ..”Eventually, Cummings admitted to his own lack of suitability for a top role in government. “In any sensible rational government,” he confessed, “it is completely crazy that I should have been in such a senior position. I’m not smart, I’ve not built great things in the world. It’s completely crackers that someone like me should have been in there, just the same as it’s crackers that Boris Johnson was in there.”..

    ‘Dominic Cummings’s Covid select committee evidence was a story of liars – told by a liar.’

    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/dominic-cummings-covid-select-committee-evidence-liars-story-told-liar-1020749?ito=twitter_share_article-top

  38. Petra says:

    The BBC is at it again!

    Phantom Power:- ”BBC News cut away to presenter voice and channel change during discussion of Laura Kuenssberg. Quite a coincidence.”.. https://mobile.twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1397571885051883520

    ……………………………..

    And again!

    ‘Dominic Cummings – BBC Scotland jumps the colonial shark.’

    ..”To present Dominic Cummings’ seven hour testimony as an attack on Nicola Sturgeon because he mentioned her fleetingly, isn’t poor journalism, it’s a mendacious attempt to contort and deflect. Cummings had just accused his former boss of taking decisions that cost the lives of thousands of people. Yet Nicola Sturgeon is criticised for deciding to reject Johnson’s approach? How is it that nobody at BBC Scotland noticed this contradiction?”..

    https://newsnet.scot/news-analysis/dominic-cummings-bbc-scotland-jumps-the-colonial-shark/

  39. Capella says:

    It’s astonishing isn’t it – the day after Dominic Cumming spills the very nasty beans on the Johnston/Hancock tragic mishandling of the Covid outbreak, out come our own journalists and bloggers to shift the focus of blame onto Nicola Sturgeon and Jason Leitch.

    • Petra says:

      It just beggars belief Capella, but more than anything I don’t get how so-called Independence bloggers detracting from the horror story of ten of thousands of lives being lost due to the, to say the least, incompetence of Westminster by targeting Nicola Sturgeon and Jason Leitch helps us to get our Independence. An own goal as per usual.

      • jfngw says:

        They are trying to rewrite history, the SG did not have the powers to diverge from the UK position until UK Gov approved the borrowing. They seem to believe we should have just done it anyway without the ability to borrow any money. They have their heads so far up AS’s posterior they can’t see clearly, and I’m afraid SGP has fallen into this group, such that I no longer trust his output.

        It doesn’t matter what anyone’s opinion was, those that hold the purse string control the policy. If the WM decided to go back to herd immunity then we would be forced to follow. There are
        those that believe in nirvana and there is reality of the real world and politics.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Capella,neither JK, nor MacWhirter have shifted “the focus of blame” onto Nicola Sturgeon, quite the contrary. I already quoted MacWhirter above, but take the first part: “She repeatedly insisted that she was “following the science”. And the truth is that she was. I don’t criticise the FM for this.

      And JK said this: “Leitch has been signed up to the Scottish Government’s sensible strategy for over a year now“.

      And it certainly isn’t just “the day after Dominic Cumming spills the very nasty beans“. Some of the media and the likes of SiU have done bits of this before, and are biding their time – including someone with FOI requests long back, with some answers back in April.

      Turning on James Kelly going lalalala holding hands and singing Kumbaya, isn;t going to stop SiU, Sky, the BBC, Ross, Rennie, Fraser, or any of the other usual suspects using it all to their advantage, once the interest in Cummongs v Johnson and Hancok dies down a bit.

      MacWhirter and Kelly are the GOOD GUYS on this one.

      If this blog is going to turn into an anti-Indy blogger blog, it works against Independence, not for it, and the forces of Union are laugh laugh laugh their heads off while we destroy ourselves with needless divisiveness.

      • grizebard says:

        “Needless divisiveness”? Now where do you think that is coming from? This is just getting perverse now.

        I actually agreed with JK at the time and still do now because he was right (not that you seem to have noticed), and so did the SG in very short order, thankfully, but once again we’re getting an obvious media re-framing attempt against the SG to offset the serious revelations down south, and you’re quibbling about this? Jeez.

  40. Petra says:

    Stephen Gethins:- ”With every respect to Stephen (Kerr) I am intrigued by this. The office in Brussels originally came into being under the Tories and the and these offices were further developed across the world by Labour and continued by the SNP in power.” https://mobile.twitter.com/StephenGethins/status/1397590411674333185

    ……………………………..

    Sing along together as you wave your Butcher’s Apron 😀.

    ”What fresh hell is this?” https://mobile.twitter.com/ClatchardCraig/status/1397247153232306179

  41. Golfnut says:

    It’s important to view Cummings testimony with more than a little scepticism. Johnson and Hancock get the works while Gove and Sunak are either barely mentioned or praised. We know both these characters are as morally bankrupt and corrupt as the first two. Sunaks fiscal tinkering and manipulation, particularly over furlough payments and loan schemes, has created a debt mountain among a great number of the population. None of them are fit for public office. So why just these two?

    • Petra says:

      No doubt because Sunak and Cummings, Gove’s mate, want rid of Johnson, but as you say Golfnut one is worse than the other.

  42. Petra says:

    North Sea Oil: and a tale of two countries.’ … and Scotland isn’t one of them!

    ..”Speaking at the launch of a government review aiming to ‘lead the way on tackling climate change’ Business and Energy Secretary Alok Sharma said that the oil and gas sector “will continue to be needed for the foreseeable future as we move toward net-zero carbon emissions by 2050”.”..

    https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2021/01/north-sea-oil-a-tale-of-two-countries/

    …………………………………

    ‘This Australian trade deal shows how ‘Global Britain’ has already lost its way.’

    ..”The Australian deal will be most consequential in setting expectations for what might be conceded when the time comes to do a deal with Washington. That is the holy grail of post-Brexit deals. Cabinet rows over antipodean livestock are just a rehearsal for a battle that will erupt when US demands land on the table.”..

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/26/australian-trade-deal-global-britain-boris-johnson-uk-farmers

  43. Petra says:

    The oh so stupid Scots are at it again.

    ‘Scottish architects reveal plans to build second tallest building in the world.’

    http://www.insider.co.uk/news/scottish-architects-reveal-plans-build-24186105

    ……………………….

    ‘The first 100 days.’

    https://newsnet.scot/news-analysis/the-first-100-days/

  44. Petra says:

    ‘Lesley Riddoch: Evidence exposes Tory meltdown decades in the making.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19331250.evidence-exposes-tory-meltdown-decades-making/

    …………………………..

    Loads of articles well worth a read.

    https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/blog-feed/

  45. Petra says:

    Richard Walker:- ‘Five good reasons Boris Johnson should be hounded out of Downing Street.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19331232.pm-hounded-downing-street/

    …………………………..

    Check out Ann’s latest links on the Indyref2 site.

    https://indyref2.space/forum/topic/links-thursday-27-may-2021/

  46. Arthur Thomson says:

    I am appalled that there are people who lay claim to being proponents of Scottish independence who make odious comments about Nicola Sturgeon’s efforts to protect Scotland’s population during this pandemic.

    I am equally appalled but I can easily understand that unionists who have zero conscience want to use the pandemic to try to destroy her.

    Fortunately, NORMAL people can see very clearly that Nicola Sturgeon has worked her heart out within the powers available to her, with considerable success, to minimise the impact of the pandemic.

    My response to pretend journalists and mickey mouse political commentators on the net in general – and some commenting on here -criticising Nicola Sturgeon is a gigantic G…T…F.

  47. Dr Jim says:

    Most of us normal human beings make mistakes and when we do most of us admit to making them, apologise and move on even if a bit red faced and ashamed or embarrassed, but we fess up nonetheless

    Some Internet bloggers must not be normal human beings, it seems they picked the wrong side and unable to admit the mistake they made they hurl hell and damnation against the side they knew they should’ve picked thus compounding that mistake and creating enmity in the same space they once had unity of purpose to the delight of the people who always supported anybody else but the original side those bloggers had supported previously

    The Bloggers make the excuse or reasoning that the original side has mysteriously changed overnight into a secret cult of not goodness, and they do this using their laser focused psychic understanding of the art and science of politics and mind reading, and still they got it wrong because an entire nation told them so, but still they double down by accusing that entire nation of stupidity and certainly in no way as clever and genius like as themselves

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Oh good grief Dr Jim, did you not get the memo on “friendly fire”?

      Does you attacking “The Bloggers” contribute anything to Independence?

      Or is it doing the work of the UK state by being divisive divisive divisive?

      Don’t know about you, but I’d prefer not to see Indy destroyed by constant infighting – and IT TAKES TWO TO INFIGHT.

      James Kelly – and Peter A Bell – and Iain MacWhirter – and Kevin McKenna – and countless others including myself – with different views on things – support Independence. “Friendly Fire” will kill off Independence for the rest of my lifetime which in itself, I hope will be a long one, though a telegram from King Billy isn’t really on my bucket list to be honest.

      And while I’m on my “Truth Crusade”, daring to try to get to the truth at the risk of even more unpopularity rather than fingering my beads and doing the stations again, here’s what the QE was all about “Brimming with US F-35Bs” – it’s a flaming interservice exercise with all sorts of planes involved:

      https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-queen-elizabeth-launches-jets-to-take-part-in-exercise/

      The Truth Shall Set Us Free.

      Sitting round in circles singing Kumbaya staring adoringly at idols of our gods and goddesses, won’t.

      • grizebard says:

        I thought the “kumbaya” approach was your whole thing. And who has the idols (with feet of clay)? Not anyone here. (Hint: try elsewhere.) This is getting silly now.

        • yesindyref2 says:

          Oh, well, if you, the blog owner, tell me “Hint: try elsewhere”, then I’d better go.

          Bye now, thanks for all the fish.

          • grizebard says:

            I’m expressing my personal opinion just like you, and it’s not me that’s being perverse. Where you go is your choice entirely, nothing to do with me. Just don’t go all emotive hissy-fit with me please whatever you do.

      • Dr Jim says:

        Your *Truth Crusade* is loaded with the same kind of invective as the bloggers

        • yesindyref2 says:

          Oh dear.

          So, witih Wings gone, after you turn WGD into a moanhole about SGP, PAB, and the others I mentioned, who’s next if they dare to make an unfavourable comment about someone in the “inner untouchable circle”?

          Newsnet? Business for Scotland? The National? The Greens? Patrick Harvie? Lorna Slater?

          HOW VERY DARE THEY.

  48. Alex Clark says:

    We absolutely should be focusing on the way Covid was handled by Johnson and his government. What is coming out now sounds beyond belief though is anything but. If there is any blame to be aportioned then it starts and ends on the steps of No 10.

    Mistakes of course were made in Scotland but once the Scottish Government put together it’s own team of scientific advisors then things began to change. Until that time they were being led by the advise coming from Sage and in particular Whitty and Vallance who were both briefing the press that “herd immunity” was the goal.

    Just some of what Cummings had to say yesterday would have had any other Prime Minister handing in their resignation.

    “The government itself and No 10 was not operating on a war footing in February [2020] on this, in any way, shape or form. Lots of key people were literally skiing in the middle of February.”

    “I am completely baffled as to why No 10 is trying to deny herd immunity was the plan … Hancock himself, the chief scientist [Sir Patrick Vallance] and CMO [Prof Chris Whitty] were all briefing senior journalists … that this is what the plan is.”

    Cummings described how officials had talked of getting the chief medical officer for England, Chris Whitty, to inject Johnson live on TV with the coronavirus “so everyone realises it’s nothing to be frightened of”.

    “Fundamentally the prime minister and I did not agree about Covid, after March. After March he thought the lesson to be learned is: ‘We shouldn’t have done a lockdown, we should have restored the economy, I should have been the mayor in Jaws’. I thought that perspective was completely mad.”

    “Fundamentally, there was no proper border policy because the prime minister never wanted a proper border policy…“At that point he was back to: ‘Lockdown was all a terrible mistake, I should’ve been the mayor of Jaws, we should never have done lockdown one, the travel industry will all be destroyed if we bring in a serious border policy’.

    I think that little lot should have been enough to bring down any government, more fool me.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/26/dominic-cummings-evidence-to-mps-on-covid-crisis-the-key-quotes

    • Capella says:

      I agree. If that doesn’t convince the Scottish people that we must control our own borders and have our own advisors in an emergency it’s hard to imagine a situation that would.

      Meanwhile, Douglas Ross and Anas Sarwar in FMQs try to turn everything into Nicola Sturgeon’s fault. They are simply puppets of Westminster with absolutely no concern for the health and well being of the Scottish people. I so hope we don’t have to suffer them for much longer.

  49. yesindyref2 says:

    WGD – I think, this is just an opinion of course, my opinion, which might not be the same as everybody’s opinion, but hey, it’s an opinion after all and in my opinion we should all be able to express opinions, that you really need to stop people waging blog wars on your blog, it does nothing for the cause of Independence. If people want to make comments about articles on other people’s blogs, then why don’t they do it there?

    You might also like to ask people to address the argument people make, not yadda yadda yadda with YAAH – Yet Another Ad Hominem. It’s actually quite boring, frankly. And in my opinion, that’s my opinion which might not be the same as other peoples’ opins etc., does nothing to advance the cause of Independence.

    Fine warm sunny day here so I’m off to my unit to do some work.

    Oh, wait, that doesn’t make sense …

    • grizebard says:

      They can’t because they’re blocked. Have you tried of late? Don’t think so.

      And the only one waging perverse self-contradictory arguments on here is you.

      • yesindyref2 says:

        I post at times on PAB’s blog – mostly to disagree. Did the same on CM’s blog.

        No, not blocked, they can take disagreement.

        SGP I’d have to get a google something to post now, no thanks. But before that I wasn’t blocked there either.

        Nice try but no cigar. Is that all you’ve got? Invention is your mother of desperation when it comes to ad hominens?

        • grizebard says:

          You’re the purveyor of ad hominems today, as it happens, “sweetie”. I was the only one on here even partly agreeing with you, it’s just you were unable to counter the points I made so turned to puerile diversions instead. As you do when you’re losing the argument. (It shows, y’know.)

          C’mon, ‘fess up, you’re just a bit bored and want people to notice you.

      • yesindyref2 says:

        No, not blocked, I just tried – CM as well.

    • Petra says:

      ”If people want to make comments about articles on other people’s blogs, then why don’t they do it there?”

      They do, but if they don’t suit the blog owner they never see the light of day.

  50. Tam the Bam says:

    Fight !!! …..

    Grizebard v YIR2.

    Petra … you’re nominated as Referee (good luck!).

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Petra is the one who made this comment, after the link to SGP’s article:

      Meanwhile as the BBC et al report on the horrific Westminster / Cummings revelations JK@SGP has taken to castigating Jason Leitch. Tbh it’s becoming more and more depressing visiting so-called pro-independence sites now. Wingers alternate between discussing recipes and wishing NS dead, Peter Bell is back still intent on spreading his depressive tommyrot to all and sundry and JK has lost the plot.

      Hardly a suitable “Referee” Tam, to be blunt, she’s the initital instigator of divisiveness,

  51. Petra says:

    It was Petra that dun it 😀. Grow up. You can’t have it both ways. That was MY opinion and I wanted to express it.

    ..”I think, this is just an opinion of course, my opinion, which might not be the same as everybody’s opinion, but hey, it’s an opinion after all and in my opinion we should all be able to express opinions.”..

  52. Capella says:

    New balls please. 😂😂😂

  53. Tatu3 says:

    Please, please, please stop the fighting. If for no other reason than Paul’s health.

    • Tam the Bam says:

      Its ‘handbags-at-dawn’ stuff Tatu3… I wouldnt get too concerned and I really dont think Paul is either.

  54. Petra says:

    OK Tatu it’s game, set and match. In other words game over (hopefully) 😀.

  55. Petra says:

    And moving on!

    Watch:- ‘FMQs: Nicola Sturgeon and Douglas Ross clash over Cummings claims.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19332919.fmqs-ross-put-spot-cummings-evidence-tory-chaos/

    …………………………………..

    ‘Listeners stunned by BBC host’s ridiculous question about Scotland.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19333248.listeners-stunned-bbc-hosts-ridiculous-question-scotland/

  56. Capella says:

    Someday we’ll be together – extended version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U97mKbD6DwI

  57. Petra says:

    What about:-

    ‘Agree To Disagree” Larissa Tormey & Dave Sheriff.’ 😀 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhW31cq8ZG4

  58. bobbasrah says:

    An odd reflection on the late Terry Pratchett perhaps, but worth considering on who is pressing whose buttons – every time a major incident arises in UK politics the MacFeegles have a barney in Scotland over something completely different…

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