Null points for Brexit’s brand UK

It was reported at the weekend that the Royal Family are to head a “charm offensive” in order to help head off calls for Scottish independence. If true this tells us two things, firstly that the British government is utterly desperate, and secondly that the head of state will get involved in politics after all. This destroys the traditional argument for a hereditary monarch and only makes it more likely that there will be greater pressure in an independent Scotland for it to become a republic. It is an abuse of the power of the monarch for the royal family to intervene in a democratic debate in the hope of influencing the outcome of a popular vote in a particular direction. That is the very definition of getting involved in politics.

What makes it all the more counterproductive is that Scotland is by quite some margin the least royalist part of the UK outside the nationalist communities of Northern Ireland. There can’t be many people in Scotland whose opinion on the future of Scotland is going to be changed because some spoiled princeling puts on a kilt and comes to wave at the public while telling us how much he loves Scotland and has many precious memories of coming here in order to blast wildfowl to smithereens with a shotgun. No one in Scotland is going to wake up of a morning and say, “Well I was concerned about Brexit and the chaos and corruption of Boris Johnson’s government and the way in which the Tories are unilaterally undermining the devolution settlement, but now that Will ‘n’ Kate have shown us some holiday snaps taken at Balmoral, my doubts and fears are totally assuaged.”

The Queen will continue to ensure that she remains in the affections of the oldest Scots by sending them a telegram when they reach a major life milestone. Although Buckingham Palace has refused to comment, these plans could only come to fruition with the express approval of the Queen. She could have said that this is a matter for the people of Scotland but if they choose to end the union of Parliaments , the union of the crowns will remain unaffected. But no. That will prove to be a serious error of judgement which will come back to haunt the palace. The question of whether an independent Scotland should retain the monarchy or become a republic is one which is rightly not an issue in the independence campaign. Rather it’s a matter for the people of an independent Scotland to decide after the fact of independence. This ham fisted intervention will only serve to boost arguments for a republic, especially after the 95 year old Queen is no longer with us and we’re faced with the prospect of King Charles and Queen Camilla – a man who selfishly broke travel restrictions early in the pandemic and with his over-sized retinue brought a case of covid infection to Deeside, depriving the local community of much needed medical resources and personnel that need not otherwise have been deployed.

After all its scandals and the exposure of its dripping entitlement the royals do not have the influence they once did, least of all in Scotland.

So far we have had Prince William muttering platitudes on a visit to the General Assembly of the Kirk of Scotland. Meanwhile it is thought that plans are also being made to reach out to Scotland’s young people, although how they are going to do this remains unclear, perhaps Prince Andrew could use the free Wi-Fi at a pizza chain in Slough to send the youngest voters a text when they turn sixteen.

Over the weekend we had another illustration that “brand UK” no longer has the appeal and cachet that opponents of independence like to tell us it does. The UK crashed to a humiliating last place in the Eurovision Song Contest, receiving the dreaded null points despite the introduction of a new voting system which was designed to make such an embarrassing and humiliating score far less likely. Now admittedly the British entry was notable solely for its blandness, the aural equivalent of eating unflavoured dry oatmeal in a beige room, but then so were most of the other entries. As the votes came in it became clear that the UK is the Billy-no mates of Europe. Some expressed surprise that “even Ireland” had failed to give the UK any points. Although after the way that the British Government has treated Ireland these past few Brexity years, that should read “especially Ireland.” Douglas Ross has released a statement saying that not getting any points doesn’t matter, the UK’s vote share didn’t decrease so Italy isn’t really the winner. Coincidentally null points is also the exact same amount as the benefits of Brexit.

During the independence referendum campaign of 2014, Better Together warned Scotland that if it voted for independence it wouldn’t get into Eurovision. What are they going to do now, tell us that if we vote for independence we won’t be able to score no points in Eurovision? Eurovision is essentially a popularity competition. The UK does poorly because people across Europe dislike the exceptionalism and entitlement that characterises British nationalism and which was the driving force for Brexit. British nationalism’s crass lack of interest in other nations was illustrated during the announcement of the result when Amanda Holden joked about not knowing the difference between French and Dutch.

The ugly exceptionalism and entitlement of British nationalism was on full display when right wing commentator and Brexit fanboy, Tom Harwood, soon to be coming to Andrew Neil’s GB News, sent a surly tweet after the result saying :”Without the UK half these countries would not be free to perform in any song contests. Arguably the other half wouldn’t either. Their thanks? Nil points.” He later followed up his soor ploom with another tweet saying: I think every year we should forgo the contest and simply hand out points to the countries that were most courageous and successful at standing up against Hitler.” So Russia, then?

They already do much better at Eurovision than the UK does Tom. Maybe he ought to reflect on why the UK is less popular in Europe than Vladimir Putin’s authoritarian kleptocracy. But it’s more likely that next year’s entry will come from Tom Harwood and the Flagshaggers when the UK will compete on WTO rules and will award itself 30 points against Mauritania.

Both the royal intervention in the Scottish independence debate and the Eurovision debacle only show us that the British brand is tawdry, devalued, and unpopular. If Boris Johnson and Michael Gove think that its supposed appeal is going to prevent Scottish independence they are in for a big disappointment. British nationalism’s brand UK will get null points from an increasingly sceptical Scottish public.

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98 comments on “Null points for Brexit’s brand UK

  1. […] Wee Ginger Dug Null points for Brexit’s brand UK It was reported at the weekend that the Royal Family are to head a “charm […]

  2. bringiton says:

    Seems like purring down the line is now out of fashion.
    As far as the Holden woman goes,it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it.
    That goes for most of the current English establishment as well.
    Their claim that Scotland would be friendless without them is now wholly appropriate to their position,apart from a few other right wing governments around the planet.
    They are making a song and dance about a super duper trade deal with Australia because the one they were going to brag about with Trumpland has fallen through.
    They are now openly despised throughout most of Europe (which includes Scotland).

  3. Statgeek says:

    Maybe we should rename the UK: The Island of Null

  4. deelsdugs says:

    Ye olde imperial commonwealth-thing is rearing its ugly heid. Did it ever go away though…
    Sheep will be sailing in fae the Falklands soon…

  5. Movy says:

    Personally I was prepared to tolerate the ‘purring’ Queen living out her time; now not even that.

    And no way will I ever support a Charles III or William V.

    • raineach says:

      technically speaking [although I hope we never get there] it is William IV, previous Williams being the Lion, William of Orange and William just before Victoria. The William who conquered England and his son don’t come into the tally

  6. Capella says:

    I said on the previous thread:

    The Queen is also the Queen of Scots. The Declaration of Arbroath spelt out what we would do if the monarch didn’t protect our interests. Get rid of them and choose another.

    There are pros as well as cons to having a hereditary system for deciding on the Head of State. Stability, continuity, non party partisan incumbent, providing the HoS is non political and remains impartial and does protect the interests of the people. Us.

    My favourite places in Europe are all monarchies – Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands. But I like Switzerland too. OTOH I can think of quite a few republics that I wouldn’t want to live in. And let’s not mention Donald Trump 🙂

    So I wouldn’t make an issue of this before independence. Plenty time afterwards to decide on who should be the Head of State.

    • JoMax says:

      No one’s discussing ditching the Queen just now. What is being discussed is whether or not she and her family are currently attempting to interfere in our rights as a nation to withdraw from the Union and using her position to influence die-hard royalists. She is most definitely not being non-partisan or impartial if she’s taking sides and it appears as if she may be. Does she believe she is ‘protecting OUR interests’ by trying to keep us in the Union? Well, if she is then we are entitiled to ask for her honest views on the subject, but, of course, we know she never expresses ‘her’ views in public. If she’s being coerced into getting involved, then she should refuse. She can’t have it all ways.

  7. Petra says:

    ”So I wouldn’t make an issue of this before independence. Plenty time afterwards to decide on who should be the Head of State.”

    I totally agree with your sentiments Capella. Let’s not alienate Monarchists unnecessarily. On the other hand it’s an indication of how desperate they and the fact that they know that nothing and no one is going to halt Indyref2 now.

  8. Bob Lamont says:

    Well said indeed, the Will.i.am and Kate episode following Charlie’s jaunt was enough to make anyone’s toes curl let alone a Royalist, yet they brazened it out, but are we missing the point here I wonder, where are we hearing this from ?
    This has all the hallmarks of a “The BBC has heard..” piece from the #10 manipulation experts, with Sub.Lt Bowie’s crack squad in Edinburgh listening for reaction, giving Sarah and Tom prompts

    QE1/2 had already been pushing the Royal “we” ‘s luck in Scotland, but frankly I don’t believe even at 95 such a catastrophic error of judgement would pass aul Lizzie or her advisers, there is a blonde buffoon and his chums behind this.
    #10 want to turn their incompetence into a Royalist v Separatist story to drown out their multiple failures, the blonde Etonian oaf and his mates not giving a damn who suffers in the process,

  9. Legerwood says:

    This article from the Guardian in Frebruary this year may give you pause for thought when it comes to the oft repeated mantra that the Queen has no powers.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent

      • Petra says:

        One pillar after another of the British establishment is being exposed as being totally corrupt, Legerwood. The abhorrent Westminster Government, the shameless state broadcaster, the unprincipled Monarchy and the crooked sweep-the dirt-under-the-carpet Met Police, to name but a few.

        The Daniel Morgan case, coverup, for one has already cost the public at least £50 million with five Police enquiries going nowhere and with Priti Patel still trying to block the findings.

        ‘Daniel Morgan: What happened in the case of the murdered private detective?’

        ..”A decision by the Home Office to delay a review into the unsolved 1987 murder of British private detective Daniel Morgan has been described as “a kick in the teeth” by the deceased’s family. The Daniel Morgan Independent Panel was due to publish its findings into the Metropolitan Police’s handling of the investigation into his death on 17 May, only for the government to intervene saying it wanted to review the document to ensure it complied with human rights considerations and did not compromise national security..”..

        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/daniel-morgan-murder-death-axe-b1849975.html

        ……………………….

        http://www.untoldmurder.com/

  10. Stephen McKenzie says:

    I just cant understand the negativity? I mean we as an Island nation (well the bottom bit), has an aircraft carrier that is the envy of Mull.

    Its even called Queen Elizabeth as well and has planes an things to scare the foreign countries.

    • Legerwood says:

      Aye but it is the First Queen Elizabeth (Tudor) it is named after – the one who defeated the Spanish Armada don’t ya know?

      • Melb Don says:

        Dear Legerwood, to be perfectly true, regarding the defeat of the so called Spanish Armada, it was the good old Scottish weather that crushed it. Said with a wide smile on my face.

        • Stephen McKenzie says:

          Melb Don: As far as my memory serves me right at this ungodly hour with a bottle of Orkney Dark Island in hand.

          Was it not Drake, who was playing bowls on Sutton Hoo, that spotted the Armada and sent fire ships into Cadiz thereby singeing Prince Phillips beard that took out their first team?

          Said with eyes on a bottle of McEwans Champion Beer at 7.3%..

      • grizebard says:

        So have we here in Scotland been fastidiously naming (unasked) all our medical facilities after the long-gone queen of another country as well then? {grin}

  11. Petra says:

    As with Indyref2 we’ll surely hold a referendum following independence to consider the pros and cons of continuing with the Monarchy.

    ‘Why Queen Elizabeth II Doesn’t Want Scotland to be Independent, According to Experts.’

    ”Queen Elizabeth II does not want to see Scottish independence because the royals have “Scotland in their souls.”..

    ..”Balmoral is the most favorite place on earth to Prince Charles, Prince William and Prince Harry used to say they were never happier than when they were there blasting birds out of the sky.”..

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-queen-elizabeth-doesnt-want-scotland-independent-according-experts-1564400

    ……………………………………..

    ‘Priti Patel issues warning after Kenmure Street protest in Glasgow.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19324588.priti-patel-issues-warning-kenmure-street-protest-glasgow/

    • Statgeek says:

      More like because they have their holiday home in Scotland. They’re the quintessential Britnat with two homes, and say in Scottish matters, despite almost never living here.

      If they want to be Scottish royalty, they can try the place for a couple of winters and decide.

  12. AAD says:

    Sing to the tune of Happy Birthday to You while you wash your hands.

    Oh, what shall we do?
    We’re all in a stew,
    Charlie Windsor caught the virus,
    He trailed it through Scotland
    Did he pass it on to you?

    (There is an extra line in there; just repeat the tune of line 3 for line 4. It fits.)

    We all know how to value the contribution of the Monarchy to Scotland.

  13. Capella says:

    I haven’t watched the Eurovision song Contest since Sandie Shaw won it with “Puppet on a String” 😂
    I spent Saturday night watching Glasto – that was spectacular even without the audience. Recommend you catch it if it’s uploaded to their site. There are many things about England which really are great. If only they had the courage to accept themselves without having to stomp on everyone else to feel powerful.
    Led by complete clowns.

    https://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/bbc-to-broadcast-directors-cut-of-live-at-worthy-farm/

  14. uno mas says:

    Up until very recently Chic´s Wiki Page said that he was going to reign as George because he didn´t want to be asociated with Chic the Second who apparently was a bit of a shagger.

    Aye ah know. Laff? You couldn´t make it up!!

    However there seems to have been a change of police recently. To which I have copied and pasted below today´s entry.

    Wonder what brought about the change???

    “There has been speculation as to what regnal name the prince would choose upon his succession to the throne. If he uses his first name, he would be known as Charles III. However, it was reported in 2005 that Charles has suggested he may choose to reign as George VII in honour of his maternal grandfather, and to avoid association with the Stuart kings Charles I (who was beheaded) and Charles II (who was known for his promiscuous lifestyle),[294] as well as to be sensitive to the memory of Bonnie Prince Charlie, who was called “Charles III” by his supporters.[294] Charles’s office responded that “no decision has been made”.[295]

  15. alasdair smith says:

    Any thoughts on Queen Marys rosary beads? Ian Hamilton been repatriating artefacts again?

    • Petra says:

      That’s another wee issue that really annoys me Alasdair. These (Scottish) Royal treasures should have been held in Scotland and if not kept under lock and key elsewhere, not being displayed in a glass case in an English Castle that’s open to the public. Irreplaceable as a piece of the Howard family history? And to we Scots, what? God give me strength.

      ‘Rosary beads carried by Mary Queen of Scots to her execution stolen from Arundel Castle.’

      ”A set of “irreplaceable” gold rosary beads carried by Mary Queen of Scots to her execution in 1587 are among historic treasures worth more than £1m stolen in a raid at Arundel Castle. Other items taken in the burglary of the West Sussex castle include coronation cups given by Mary to the Earl Marshal as well as gold and silver items.”..

      ..”The rosary is of little intrinsic value as metal, but as piece of the Howard family history and the nation’s heritage it is irreplaceable. The items were taken by force from a display cabinet along the public route.”..

      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/mary-queen-scots-arundel-castle-b1852548.html

  16. Capella says:

    BBC outraged today about the “egregious and extraordinary” departure from international law when Belarus intercepted a plane to arrest a dissident on board.

    They have forgotten about the President of Bolivia, Evo Morales, whose plane was detained in Vienna because the US believed that dissident Edward Snowden was on board.
    Double standards are extraordinary these days.

  17. My ‘who shaves the barber’, starter conundrum for ten:-

    When Auld Lizzie turns 100, who sends her a telegram?

    It’s arrant nonsense of course.
    I’d imagine that Martin Luther is spinning in his grave at the sight pf a ‘Lord’ as Moderator of a Reform Church, and the Assembly bowing and scraping to the Royals.
    What next? Will meenisters be selling indulgences from the pulpit?

    Reintroduce Lord Bishops and Cardinals?
    It’s civilisation, Jim, but not as we knowit!

    I expect the Greens to lead the charge in banning blood sports in Scotland.

    That’ll drive the Chinless Wonders away.
    No more ‘ordinary week end shooting parties’ for Prince Andrew, erstwhile chum of Jeffrey Epstein.

    This ‘charm offensive’ rubbish is designed to split of the Monarchists from the Independence pack, s’all.
    Think of the Mega Marches when King Billy III ascends the throne. Mega.
    Sizzlers to sizzle; later.

    • Legerwood says:

      You don’t know much about the history of the Church of Scotland do you?

      • No, I don’t ,Legerwood, nor do I wish to.

        I know that the kirk is stoutly against pomp and ceremony, and ‘idolatry’, yet they invite Queens, Princes, and Lords and Maggie Thatcher to their assembly, and the Heid High Yins appear to be morphing in to a hard line Unionist Organisation, which, like the TU leaders who are Better Together mouthpieces despite at least half Union members supporting Independence, does not reflect the pro independence views of a significant number of the rank and file.

  18. yesindyref2 says:

    Buried nicely away in the comments, I’d make this mild warning – not to go too heavy on the eurovision thing. A lot of our potential YES voters aren’t anti-UK, they would be pro-Scotland and pro-Independence, and probably still regard the rUK as a future friend. Some of them, if not most of them, will think it quite a disgrace that the political eurovision is as political as ever, but in this case, anti-UK. Plus, anti-UK affects all of us, including in business where countries don’t say “Oh, they’re from Scotland they’re OK”. I see instances of that, even though plainly my micro business is in and from Scotland.

    Just a thought.

    • YIR2,
      It is reported that only 7 million watched this pink fluffery, out of 67 million potential ‘UK’ viewers.

      Tea cup, and a storm in a, comes to mind.

      I have never heard of Amanda Holden; I assume that she is one in a long line of blonde rinsed English Roses. who ‘present’ the nonsense now on TV.

  19. Hamish100 says:

    I think the Church of Scotland should have 1 member 1 vote for the moderator.
    Surely an unelected lib-dem Lord would agree. I thought he would have been happier with Episcopalians, fully Anglophile and full of bishops and suchlike!

    • Legerwood says:

      He is an elder in the Church of Scotland – St Magnus Cathedral in Kirkwall. It is the leadership that is important re his election as Moderator not his lordly title.

      Apart from officiating as Chair of the proceedings at the General Assembly the position is more or less as a ceremonial figurehead for a year.

      There have only been 3 elders who served as Moderator of the GA: George Buchanan, tutor to James VI; Allison Elliot first woman to be Moderator (2004) and how Jim Wallace.

      • Hamish100 says:

        I’m an elder.
        Naebody asked me,
        but then I’m no a Lord either( there is only supposed to be 1) nor do I have a cbe, be, OBE, oby1kanobi.

        From memory I think Alistair Carmichael is an elder tae. Such a parcel of rogues. Maybe I should jump ship to the wee free or just get a certificate from the US of A and you can call me Rev. Hamish. Any guid blogs I could promote myself with?

    • Eilidh says:

      As a long time COS member I heartily agree with you re 1 member 1 vote. The Church is living in the dark ages with choosing Jim Wallace as moderator and various other issues hence the average age of members are now age 70+ and membership levels have fallen off a cliff since the 1970s

  20. stewartb says:

    On 24 June 2014, in a speech as Advocate-General for Scotland, Lord Wallace – now the Church of Scotland Moderator – made notable comments in support of the “Better Together’ campaign, including what Scotland would ‘lose’ by voting ‘Yes’!

    He said: “It is not only the economic case that demonstrates why we are truly better together. … the European Union, for example. The UK exerts its influence in Europe on behalf of Scotland and all parts of the UK on issues that matter to people and businesses in Scotland, such as budget contributions, fisheries and agricultural subsidies. This influence is exerted in Brussels, Strasbourg and across all member states. It is influence which ensures that Scotland has a loud voice at the top table, and will continue to do so as part of the UK.”

    One can only wonder if this ever causes him to reflect given where we are now?

    One feature of Lord Wallace’s case-making speech that day in the Lords was its surfeit of ‘British exceptionalism’. He stated: “When we say that Britain is a force for good in the world and that it punches above its weight on the world stage, it might seem like a soundbite but it is true. We are an influence for good in the world and we do punch above our weight.”

    “We should be mightily proud of our role across the globe, a role that we play together as a result of being a United Kingdom. Together, over three centuries, we have made one of the great states of the modern world; we continue to be a force for good in the modern world; and I am confident that together we will continue to be so for many years to come.”

    Quite a lot of things being missed out from this (jingoistic) assessment of Britain’s imperial past?

    Source: https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2014-06-24/debates/14062437000451/ScotlandIndependence?highlight=scot#contribution-14062437000138

    And yet this man is deemed worthy of the role of Moderator.

    • Clydebuil says:

      Earlier someone suggested that Carichael was an elder . . . . . a proven liar an elder of the CoS.

  21. James Mills says:

    The suggestion that we are soon to be ‘Love -bombed’ by the Royals is an intimidating one .
    I don’t know about my fellow Scots but since 2014 I have had all the ”Love -bombing ” I can handle .

    First we had The Great British Vow which made us ” the most powerful devolved colony in the world ” – I think I have that right !

    Then we had David Cameron’s gift of EVEL – which removed so much of the guilt we Scots felt at denying the English MPs the power to enact their OWN laws for their OWN country in their OWN Parliament . Such relief !

    Another gift followed swiftly – we were assigned , successively , three Great British Politicians ( Carmichael , Mundell and Jack ) as Governor Generals .
    Their lasting legacy will no doubt be the pride which they have engendered in we Scots knowing that , by rejecting independence in 2014 , that today we too can share in the Great British Eurovision result .

    Then followed the Great British Brexit .
    When Cameron urged us in 2014 ”to lead us not leave us ! ” we took it to heart and voted to remain in the EU.
    But , luckily , the wisdom of English patriots who , unlike us , saw the perils of being aligned with the largest single trading bloc on the planet .
    New Great British Trade Deals beckoned for our farmers and fishermen in … Ghana , Cameroon and , eh , Albania .

    The Great British Love-bombing of Scotland reached a high point during the pandemic of 2020 . While the foolish Scots tried to go their own way by listening to medical experts , the PM personally instigated the ”Great British Take it on the Chin” strategy by shaking hands with EVERYONE , as he had read in the Spectator that he was ”King of the World ” and his hands had healing properties .
    Poor wee Scotland would have been in such a state but for The Great British Vaccine ( developed by numerous foreigners – don’t tell Priti ! ) which was highly successful in mitigating the effects of The Great British Variant .

    Now we are to be love-bombed by the serried ranks of the Royals ! Why are WE so lucky ?

    • JoMax says:

      For Governor General read Grovelling General. When I see and hear the likes of Carmichael, Mundell, Jack, and a whole host of others I am reminded of Gordon Jackson’s portrayal of the Scottish butler in ‘Upstairs, Downstairs’ (1970’s) which I note is now being aired again. Grovelling, kowtowing and sookin’ up wasn’t the half of it – not to mention his awfy posh accent which was the Scots’ way of trying to mimic the upper class English.

    • Capella says:

      Well said James 👏👏👏

    • Clydebuilt says:

      Good post James

  22. ScotsCanuck says:

    …. aye, Paul … and don’t forget Betty’s intervention in the 2014 Referendum … “I think all Scot’s should think very carefully how they vote ….” … not that that statement was weighted or anything !!!! ….. then how she “purrrrred” down the phone to that weassel Cameron …. I have ONLY ever sworn alligiance to Scotland (even in the Armed Forces), I said I would “Protect & Defend” Betty & successors …. they are ALIEN to me and my Country … I am and will always be, A Republican …. however I do understand that some with Nationalist beliefs would wish to retain the Monarchy …. but I also believe when Chic assends the throne I’ll be “Game Over” …. Australia first, then Canada, then New Zealand …. the domino’s will fall

  23. Dr Jim says:

    The Queen and her family will do as she’s told for two reasons, one the sovereign parliament of England will tell her to, and two Scotland is a fair sized percentage of her income, so she’ll be trying to save England the Union and her family

    Is Scotland going to drink the vessel with the pestle that has the pellet with the poison, or the chalice from the palace with the brew that is true, or do the right thing and refuse to drink the English Royal Coolade and stick with Irn Bru made from Scottish girders

    • Clydebuilt says:

      When the campaign for Welsh Independence got going in the 1960’s Prince Charles was made the Prince of Wales . . . . It worked on this occasion. . . .

  24. yesindyref2 says:

    OT (as always)

    So basically speaking, when we’re independent we will need our own 2 character country code top level domain, which means we need an ISO code the same. And what we need to do is make sure it is available at a decent price, same as the .uk which you can get and renew for less than £5 a year, if you shop around and pay in USD or AUD. A .com can be had for £6.. This would make it competitive for all of us to have.

    Now, you can get and renew a .wales or a .cymru for £7.75 a year, I think they’re called “community domains”, but what do you have to pay for a .scot, our equivalent since 2014, taking advantage of the interest in Scottish thingies after the ref?

    Minimum I found was £32.75. As always we’re ripped off in Scotland, and just sit back and let it happen to us. That price is one of the reasons I have precisely ZERO .scot domains – and never will.

    It’s one of the things we have to make sure we get right for Independence – and so far there’s absolutely nobody taking any interest in this aspect of it.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      I always miss stuff out 😦
      I should point out that that’s renewal price, you can get first year offers maybe about £15. Finding renewal prices is often a nightmare, registrars want to hook you; some are open about renewal prices, some hide them, some you can’t find at all.

      There’s the old argument about “economies of scale”, the problem is you don’t get scale if the price is too high to start with. This is where the government comes in – it’s up to them to make sure the TLD is attractively priced for the sake of the country’s international digital presence. The UK did do very well after a time of having them at £80 a year, the cost of my first one way back when. Then they opened up the market with “tag holders” – even I could have been one.

      £35 back in 2014 was a reasonable price to start out, but by now the renewal price should be way down from that, not more than £15 a year, preferably £10. Ironically Willie Black, the head of nominet, was from Ayrshire, I’m surprised he didn’t have some input as I think he was still on the go.

      Ho hum, probably talking to myself, what was that, an empty tea mug, or bed calling out zzzzzz

    • Capella says:

      No, we’re listening. So who decides the cost of the domain names? Who’s decision is it?

      • Statgeek says:

        Nominet, probably.

      • yesindyref2 says:

        Step 1 is to get the ISO codes – after joining the UN.

        https://www.manufacturing.net/home/news/13084233/iso-country-code-for-south-sudan

        South Sudan newest independent country 9th July 2011. ISO 2 & 3 letter code assigned 9th August 2011.

        https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:SS

        That doesn’t answer the questions, but it’s a step on the way!

        I suspect the cc tld might be different from the geographical tld, as far as control is concerned. dot scot registry seems to have been a private initiative, resulting in a not for profit company, though with some Scot and UK Gov help.

        • Capella says:

          Hmmm – interesting. But, as you say, doesn’t answer the question. Carry on, Pike. 🙂

          • yesindyref2 says:

            Jings, I knew nominet, in charge of the .uk space and as it happens, .wales and .cymru, had a chequered history, and knew virtually some of those involved, but catching up would make the eyes boggle:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominet_UK

            Anyways, here’s one answer, and ultimately the second if the policy of a not for profit for the .aa or .ab space fails to please:

            The Government was still concerned enough to give itself reserve powers under the Digital Economy Act in 2010. It means that the government can step in, if Nominet is ever considered unstable or not capable of governing itself.

            So the answer to governance is that the ScotParl needs to make sure it can have ultimate control if neccessary – and probably have a ministry with oversight as one of its duties from the very beginning.

            Incidentally, I also know the dot scot lot, and I’d say the high price is because there wasn’t a big enough uptake to give room for economy of scale yet – and I can understand why nobody would have wanted nominet even though it would have been cheaper like .wales and .cymru. Horses for courses!

            But, i’m looking at all this a bit askance as when I think back, things like ISO weren’t mentioned during Indy Ref 1, and it shows a bit of a slapdash approach to things, “It’ll be fine” which I hope Sturgeon improves on.

            Membership of the UN, World Bank, ISO and hence Iban and internet and a lot of other uses of the 2 and 3 letter codes are vital to a country’s identity on the world stage – and if these things had been covered even in brief, could have added a sense of belonging – and YES votes. I did a scan through Scotland’s Future for “ISO” and “tld”, and there are no results Basically speaking I’m afraid Salmond was an amateur. Having such a definitive and non-political road map to becoming a country would have made the whole thing more real for some people.

  25. Hamish100 says:

    I was sleeping when you wrote your mini tome but this is a fair point. All for promoting the name of Scotland. I detest a pick list where I cannot chose Scotland.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      There are some pick lists with Scotland in. Not many!

      Anyways, the simple answer to my Scotland 2 letter country code tld, is that Sturgeon, Brown, Swinney or even Russell, should ask Dr Willie Brown who I did think many years ago to be a unionist, if he’d be so kind as to give a one page summary of what should be done – and appoint him as the first advisory thingy if he’s still (cough) around.

      And that solves that little problem.

  26. Petra says:

    ‘Wee Ginger Dug: What the Dyson report tells us about the BBC and anti-Yes bias.’

    ..”All that this latest controversy teaches us is that in the UK it’s only when the rich, the powerful, and the well-connected are affected that it’s possible to hold a public body to account for its inappropriate behaviour.”..

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19325915.wee-ginger-dug-dyson-report-tells-us-bbc-anti-yes-bias/

    ………………………………

    ‘The Royal Family should remember it has no role in the independence debate.’

    http://www.businessforscotland.com/tthe-royal-family-should-remember-it-has-no-role-in-the-independence-debate/

  27. Petra says:

    ‘Why Scotland’s farmers face a post-Brexit massacre – and England’s don’t.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19325945.scotlands-farmers-face-post-brexit-massacre—englands-dont/

    ………………………………

    ‘Scottish government facing new pressure to investigate Trump golf course purchases: report.’

    https://thehill.com/policy/international/555061-scottish-government-facing-new-pressure-to-investigate-trump-golf-course

  28. Petra says:

    ‘What’s the beef with the Australian Free Trade Deal?’

    https://theorkneynews.scot/2021/05/25/whats-the-beef-with-the-australian-free-trade-deal/

    ……………………………….

    “Through the Looking Glass” – Sex Education, Scrutiny, and the Pro-Alba blogosphere.’

    https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2021/05/24/through-the-looking-glass-sex-education-scrutiny-and-the-pro-alba-blogosphere/

  29. Petra says:

    Phantom power:- ”We know which British people Priti Patel is listening to and it isn’t the people of Scotland.” https://mobile.twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1396879832730980356

    ………………………….

    ‘One Britain One Nation’ event at child’s school sparks Scots parent’s anger.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19325929.one-britain-one-nation-event-childs-school-sparks-scots-parents-anger/

  30. Dr Jim says:

    Labours Lisa Nandy is at it again

    She says Belarus should be allowed to choose Independence to be free of Russian oppression yet wants military intervention to prevent Scottish Independence

  31. Petra says:

    ‘Young British people want to abolish the monarchy in dramatic shift of public opinion, survey shows.’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-abolish-monarchy-survey-queen-b1851243.html

    …………………………………….

    ”Scotland coronavirus cases per capita have been little higher than usual during May – everyone has noticed that. For the pandemic overall however Scotland cases per capita remain amongst the lowest in Europe – media avoid mentioning that.Are 42,471 per 1 million population.” https://mobile.twitter.com/IndigoFast/status/1396783508794789892

  32. Petra says:

    Check out Ann’s latest links on the Indyref2 site.

    https://indyref2.space/forum/topic/links-tuesday-25-may-2021/#postid-3046

    And Professor John Robertson’s articles on https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/blog-feed/

  33. Hamish100 says:

    First Minister speaks today.

    BBC cut her off last time and had no Scottish Greens involvement but had the Tories and Labour. I complained from the other day. Pat response below. No response As to why only the tories and labour were on programme. Should note I referred to the TV broadcast. It would unusual for me to listen to the radio and watch the Television at the same time. Of course they know this. BBC Scotland is not on air at this time and could have been used as before.Their comment suggests it was.it wasn’t.

    Role on 12pm today.

    Dear Audience Member

    Thank you for getting in touch about our coverage of recent Scottish Government Covid briefings. We appreciate you were unhappy that the briefings were not broadcast in full, and we understand the concerns being raised.

    We regret we are not able to send tailored replies to everyone and answer every individual question but we hope this will address most of the points raised.

    Our primary objective in our coverage is to continue to meet the demand from audiences for important public health information during this pandemic, while maintaining due impartiality across our output.

    Our coverage includes the briefing from the First Minister in full, with all the details on changes to restrictions, figures for new cases, numbers in hospital and any deaths, figures for vaccinations, plus any other significant developments. This is followed by analysis and reaction. We believe that in addition to the government briefing, it’s important to hear expert analysis and a range of views from the other political parties.

    As we’ve done throughout the pandemic, we also continue to cover significant news stories and developments, including those arising from the briefings, across all of our other news output on TV, radio, online and social media.

    As well as showing the First Minister’s Covid statements in full on either BBC One Scotland or the BBC Scotland Channel, we also broadcast some of the journalists’ questions, and the answers from either the First Minister or other minister or health adviser, on BBC Radio Scotland, and sometimes on the BBC News Channel as well. This coverage makes available to our audiences the most significant information from the briefing about the state of the pandemic and the easing or tightening of restrictions on what people can do around the country. If other newsworthy points are made later in the press conference, they can be picked up in our regular news coverage throughout the day. There’s also coverage on the BBC News website.

    We believe this coverage is comprehensive in providing important public health information, and we don’t – during this phase of the pandemic – consider that it would add substantial audience value to broadcast the whole question and answer section of the briefing on television.

    We hope this is helpful, and thank you again for contacting us on this matter.

    Kind regards,  

    BBC Complaints Team
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints

    • Statgeek says:

      “We believe this coverage is comprehensive”

      People in bubbles, with no real risk of job loss.

      • Dr Jim says:

        They return to the studio for analysis by experts
        The experts who are giving the government the advice are standing right next to the FM
        So returning to the studio is for political comment from those who are not experts

        The BBC and the English government must all go to the same school for liars and brass necked brazenness

      • I notice that nobody at the BBC Jock Stockade signed their name to tis inane sophistry.

        I recall a tale about the time when they were building the railway across America.
        The early coaches and sleepers were a bit basic and infestations on board were frequent.
        One wealthy investor discovered a cockroach in his compartment and fired off an angry letter to the Chairman of the rail company.
        The letter was received and passed all the way down to the correspondence clerk by his lowly boss, with a note scrawled across the letter of compliant:- ‘ Send this guy the usual bug letter.’

        Unfortunately the clerk attached the original letter of complaint to the ‘usual bug letter’ stock reply (‘ Along the lines of…This has never happened before. We go to great lengths to maintain the highest standard of hygiene and cleanliness..Ya de Ya de Ya.’)
        The original complainant sued and the rest is history.

        I fear, Hamish 100 that you were sent BBC Jockland’s ‘usual bug letter.’

        They treat at least half their viewers with contempt, because they would be sacked otherwise.
        What a way to earn a living.
        I’m sure that their children are proud of them.

    • James Mills says:

      Translation : Gies yer license money – now , F*ck Off and gies peace ! ”

  34. Hamish100 says:

    Help my boab,
    the Lib Dem’s and the Greens. Why the Lib Dem’s? Greetin Willie rennie

    • Alex Clark says:

      Hamish the Covid briefings by the FM can be watched live on the Scotgov twitter account and you can swerve the BBC altogether.

      • Alex Clark says:

        You do get the full briefing including all the journalist’s questions and not a Unionist in sight.

        • Bob Lamont says:

          And on Youtube, not live but you get the whole thing without Pacific Quay’s “And now a word from our sponsors…”

  35. Hamish100 says:

    Cheers but there is some perverse satisfaction shouting at rennie on the tele!

    • barpe says:

      Why shout? Just laugh – cut out the middleman!

      • Gary Robertson must feel like a right prune being forced to interview Willie Rennie and Ross Greer when the real news about the virus and the Medical experts’ scientific advice is being broadcast eslewhere simultaneously.
        He actually asked willie Rennie, a political nobody, how ‘concerned’ he was about the No Shows, and foreign travel, and Willie duly obliged, spouting vacuous nonsense, about his constituents having to wait a fortnight for their jag because of the mix ups, and his lack of understanding of the traffic light foreign travel system.
        In other words, he added absolutely NOTHING to our knowledge about the vaccine, but was allowed air time, a wee party leader of 4 MSPs out of 129, while our democratically elected FM and her CMO were updating the country, but only if you have access to a PC or a smart phone.

        Ross Greer was equally as pointless,stating the feckin’ obvious that students and young folk have moved on and that’s probably why they didn’t get their letters, and, that old hoary chestnut, ‘we warned the Government last August’ to do more Test and Trace, 10,000 tests not used, we need more rapid test and trace in hot spots….Bad SNP..so there.

        In the meantime, our vaccination programme has been an outstanding success, our FM, and her Team have worked tirelessly for 15 months while Wullie and Ross Whinged from the sidelines.

        This nasty wee SNP Bad ‘political’ aside is a silly risible farce, BBC Jockland, Gary Robertson, get a grip. You look like a right prune fronting this nonsense.

  36. Bob Lamont says:

    You can only shake your head really https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2021/05/25/top-adviser-confirms-that-nhs-england-delayed-care-home-vaccinations-and-thousands-died/
    That the media are not all over it with pics of Matt Hancock and dePfeffel featuring and ferocious demands for answers can only be explained by that non-existent border and so many squirrels in Scotland, red and blue…

  37. Golfnut says:

    Helping your mates out.

  38. Golfnut says:

    Good summary by David Milligan on legislating for indyref.

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10223024344509583&id=1609039245

  39. Golfnut says:

    Haven’t been very active over the last couple of weeks, sorry if this is a bit of a splurge.

    Why deficits are beneficial.

  40. Golfnut says:

    The UK/Norway deal is pretty close to collapsing as Norway looks to protect its home markets from future beef imports from the uk, primarily due to the much heralded Australia deal. Just one of the problems this Australia deal highlights, but Australia isn’t the real problem, it’s the precursor to trade deals with the US and South America.
    There are other ramifications which are not immediately obvious but which could seriously hinder an Independent Scotland securing SO membership.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/215556435841901/permalink/887894878608050/

    • Golfnut says:

      Should read ‘ EU membership.’

    • Alex Clark says:

      Any international agreement or treaty that the UK has in place or is yet to put in place will not apply to an Independent Scotland who will be free to conclude her own agreements and treaties as she sees fit on the ending of the Union.

      • Golfnut says:

        Very true Alex, but, and it was the point of the post, highlighted by the Australia deal which could never have taken place while a member of the EU, is the divergence of food standards. This a serious and imminent threat, not only to the health of Scotland’s people, our food
        self sufficiency and exports and any trade agreement between Scotland and countries with food standards higher than Australia. The divergence would hinder Scotland joining the EU, while simultanously destroying our food self sufficency.

        • grizebard says:

          I don’t believe any divergence from EU rules – especially with resistance from the SG as far as its powers allow – would be an issue in the short term, but the destruction of our food sector might happen far faster.

          The point we all agree upon, though, is that in this respect the faster we get ourselves out of this situation the better. You just have to wonder though what all those rural Tory voters have been thinking, mesmerised as they apparently have been by “dying in the ditch” (figuratively speaking) for “no referendum”.

        • Alex Clark says:

          Agriculture remains devolved and all law pertaining to it is Scottish Law. At the end of last year, the Agriculture (Retained EU Law and Data) (Scotland) Act 2020 received Royal assent.

          There is no intention to reduce standards in Scotland for food production but of course, that wouldn’t prevent farms from going out of business if their produce is undercut by inferior products from overseas who have lower standards and can sell at a lower price.

          If the law is changed in Westminster to lower standards allowing chlorinated chicken in England for example, it would seem like Scotland doesn’t have the power to prevent that chicken from being sold here but they do have the power to prevent Scottish farmers from lowering current standards that are in line with those of the EU.

          It’s obvious though that no matter what, our Farmers and Fisherman are going to feel more pain out of the EU than in. Hopefully, they will think about that when casting a vote in a 2nd referendum.

          https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2020/17/contents/enacted

          • Golfnut says:

            Basic essentials, yes it is. Eg, we produce enough wheat to feed Scotland 5 times over.

          • Golfnut says:

            Comment at 8:02 was to Ledgerwood.

            Alex your comment basically confirmed the dangers facing our food industry. The SG can pass as many laws as it likes on maintaining current food standards, but it means diddly squat if it can’t subsidise the farming community and allowing it to compete with foreign imports. So yes well have high food standards in law, we just won’t have any farmers or a fishing industry and we won’t be self sufficient.
            I’m pretty certain the SG are well aware of the danger and that we will have a referendum pdq, but you, me and everybody active in the YES movement need to start making the dangers of another no vote when it comes.

        • Legerwood says:

          Golfnut,
          Is Scotland self sufficient in food? Scotland certainly has a large food sector – around 20% of the manufacturing sector. For example, Scottish salmon is the UK’s number 1 food export and sells at a premium compared to Norwegian salmon.

          An organisation called Nourish Scotland has set out recommendations that aim to make Scotland self sufficient in food. A target date for some of the proposed changes was 2023 but I am not sure how far down the road they have travelled.

          The UK as a whole produces around 60% of its food and some would put a lower figure on that. It is a situation that chimes with Andrew Carnegie’s prophecy in the 19th century that Britain would become in the 20th century an overcrowded place unable to feed itself. That still holds in the 21st century.

          • Bob Lamont says:

            “Is Scotland self sufficient in food?” – With a few minor import exceptions it most probably is.
            What are Scotland exports post independence and self sustaining is an entirely different matter.
            It’s largely and perversely the GERS argument of continuation..
            No disrespect intended but let’s not obfuscate export capacity within the current UK as some measure of Scotland’s self sufficiency present or once independent.

  41. Golfnut says:

    Very true Alex, but, and it was the point of the post, highlighted by the Australia deal which could never have taken place while a member of the EU, is the divergence of food standards. This a serious and imminent threat, not only to the health of Scotland’s people, our food
    self sufficiency and exports and any trade agreement between Scotland and countries with food standards higher than Australia. The divergence would hinder Scotland joining the EU, while simultanously destroying our food self sufficency.

  42. Alex Clark says:

    You might want to watch at 9.00am tomorrow when Cummings will give his evidence to the Science and Technology and Health and Social Care Joint Committee into the decisions made by this Government into how its plans for dealing with the Covid pandemic right back at the start in March of last year.

    https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d919fbc9-72ca-42de-9b44-c0bf53a7360b

    Uncomfortable viewing it is likely to make for some in government I’d surmise LOL

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