Stepping back from the fray

This election campaign has been the nastiest, the most unpleasant and the most vitriolic that it has ever been my misfortune to experience. What’s made it even worse is that on top of the entirely expected abuse and insults from British nationalists, now it’s also coming from people who are supposedly on the same side.

As a result of ploughing a lonely furrow amongst Scottish independence bloggers and refusing to join in their campaign to unseat Nicola Sturgeon, my integrity and honesty were called into account. Since Alex Salmond launched his Alba party and I laid out my reasons for refusing to support it, the abuse and vitriol has only got worse. I had one charmer attempt to leave a comment on my blog saying, “I wish you had died instead of your dog.” There has been a nasty unpleasant homophobic undercurrent to some of the abuse. I’ve had people making snide and vicious remarks about the disabilities I’ve been left with after the stroke.

I’ve been accused of not really supporting independence and have been called a creep who is only interested in what I can raise through crowdfunding. Yet if that were true I’d have done what all the other bloggers were doing and would be praising Alex Salmond to the heavens while calling for Nicola Sturgeon’s head on a plate. It seems that a lot of people are now so angry and bitter that they cannot accept that someone might have principled reasons for having a difference of opinion – not even about the end goal – but about strategies and tactics for getting there.

I’ve always prided myself on my resilience and my ability to stand up to bullies. Unfortunately I’ve been finding it difficult to accept that since the stroke I no longer have the physical, mental, or emotional resources that I once had and am finding the current atmosphere extremely difficult to deal with. This is being made worse because the stroke has deprived me of the ability to enjoy the pastimes I used to do in order to relax and switch off. I can no longer do the tramway modelling I used to love and don’t know whether I’ll ever again be able to draw any new Gaelic maps.

I’d be lying if I said that the abuse wasn’t getting to me. My health is being negatively affected by the stress and my recovery seems to be going into reverse. I’m losing some of the movement I had regained in my hand and my speech is starting to slur again. I’m not sleeping or eating properly and have constant issues with my stomach and digestion. Every day is a constant battle with fatigue and exhaustion.

For the sake of my mental, physical and emotional well-being I need to step away from the fray, and switch off from all the toxicity, and concentrate on my health and recovery. Hopefully this election will deliver the pro-independence majority we all so desperately need, and then we can get back to making the arguments for independence in the independence campaign that lies ahead instead of trying to tear one another down. I will continue to write for The National but won’t be returning to the blog until after the election is over. Until then I must concentrate on my health and well-being. I’m sorry to let down supporters of this blog at this crucial time, but I hope you understand my reasons.

This is your reminder that the purpose of this blog is to promote Scottish independence. If the comment you want to make will not assist with that goal then don’t post it. If you want to mouth off about how much you dislike the SNP leadership ,or about some other issue not directly related to Scottish independence – there are other forums where you can do that. You’re not welcome to do it here.

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3,001 comments on “Stepping back from the fray

  1. Alex Clark says:

    Alba being ‘censored’ by broadcasters, bemoans Salmond

    “Mr Salmond took umbrage with the media organisations after they did not cover an Alba campaign event in Edinburgh on Monday.

    Ahead of another Alba campaign event in Stirling he said: “We are clearly the story of the election and yet the doleful duo of Scottish broadcasting pretends we don’t exist.”

    https://archive.ph/EjiLb

    • grizebard says:

      Yes, they’re getting their excuses in early. I’m just waiting for the first “stolen election” to pop up. Not sure if that one will appear before the 6th or after, but appear it will. Just a question of where, SGP or W*nksOverSh*tland..?

  2. Capella says:

    Hey – a new page 🙂

    “We are clearly the story of the election..” Hyperbolic as usual. A little modesty wouldn’t do him any harm.

  3. Bob Lamont says:

    Steeleye Span was one of my earliest musical influences. Colin I don’t recall, but waltzing matilda I do..

    • Tam the Bam says:

      “All around George Galloway’s hat.”

      • Tam the Bam says:

        Nobody get that?

        • Tam the Bam says:

          It was in response to Bob Lamonts mention of ‘Steeleye Span.
          “All around my hat”…..was indeed a hit for Maddy Prior and Steeleye Span.
          Wear yer hat well Gorgeous.

        • iusedtobeenglish says:

          Yes, I did. One of my influences too.

          Thought of Colin the Rhymer, myself, but never got round to posting it.

          Saw them live a few times. In fact, that was the first time I heard Parcel of Rogues.

          So Steeleye Span? Fairport Convention? Both?

  4. gullaneno4 says:

    It looks like Wings are censoring comments that are critical of Salmond/Alba.
    That is a bit of a slippery slope, I thought they championed freedom of speech.

  5. Hamish100 says:

    They have shut down debate at least two general elections ago.
    The comments made about the Mundell’s which ultimate ended up with Campbell and Dugdale in court was the turning point big time as far as I can see.Totally unnecessary. In the past now.

    • Capella says:

      We’re home and dry kids – Jamie Fraser from Outlander is a Yesser.

      The actor added: “My desire for independence is not anti-anything. I feel we’re a resource-rich country. It’s about having a bit of belief in ourselves again. I want a neighbour, not a ruler.”

      https://archive.fo/Sfeh8

  6. Capella says:

    This thread hopping is making me quite dizzy – back to the new page!

  7. Clydebuilt says:

    Capella

    “Didn’t hear a thing though on account of the screaming”.

    If you hadn’t screamed so much you would have heard the band

    • Capella says:

      Oh very funny – I was the only nerd who went to hear the music. Everyone else leapt onto their seats as soon as they came on stage and yelled “Mick (or Keith) I’m here!” for the entire performance. Happily, I had their LPs at home. Still went back for their second tour. 🙂

    • Alex Clark says:

      The Scotsman doesn’t need a poll, Anas Sarwar won say them.

      • Tam the Bam says:

        Yes I know where you’re coming from Alex..as Geissler said on the apres-debate show The Nine…..”it was very cordial between you guys”…..
        Sarwar hoping to get enough seats to form another Lib-Lab coalition?….mwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha……..

    • Stephen McKenzie says:

      yesindyref2: Well I suppose it would be rude not to vote after all..

  8. grizebard says:

    Managed to get through the debate tonight on STV, which format was worlds apart better in every way compared to the BBC’s usual {ahem} “balanced” audience. Not much sparkle though to be found anywhere.

    Main conclusion; Sarwar seems to be campaigning to be leader of a better opposition!

    Rennie is a deluded posturing fool who seems to think a further-diminished party is going to somehow have loads of influence in the new parliament, yet whose best offer for rejoining the EU, of which he once posed as champion, is to spend years trying to persuade the current and likely future Tory UK governments to change their minds. Has he forgotten the ConLib coaition so quickly?

    If you are serious about restoring the economic benefits of full EU membership, dear reader/voter, don’t expect any effort on your behalf from Wee Willie. Gurning is all he’s good at.

    For me, best question of the night was Patrick Harvie’s to DRoss about his unsavoury political history: “is it your whole party that’s prejudiced against travellers, or is it just you?”

    • P Harvey says:

      Totally agree. Nicola outshone all

    • Alex Clark says:

      An easy night for Colin Mackay as the format was so much better than that of the BBC. Overall it was OK and at least watchable and didn’t leave you tearing your hair out with contrived questions from a suspect panel made of of the general public.

      Nicola Sturgeon much better than last time, Patrick Harvie scored a good few points against Dross who was useless with Rennie not much better. I thought that the questions between Rennie and Sarwar were contrived and agreed between them beforehand.

      The other obvious point was that no opposition dared ask Nicola Sturgeon for her plans after this election but could only challenge her record with dodgy stats that wouldn’t stand proper scrutiny.

      • grizebard says:

        I thought Wee Willie and DRoss seemed rather pally. Gone now is the long era when their parties were prime enemies across hugh swathes of rural Scotland. After all, what is there in policy terms these days to really distinguish them? The LibDems might easily be dismissed now as “the acceptable face of Toryism”.

        Not much different from Sarwar’s deference to London either, mind you.

        • Tam the Bam says:

          Exactly right Grize……..”go home and prepare for…………………..yer leccy bill comin through yer letterbox”……Oh pleez…….Wullie”’is that yer best shot?

      • Tam the Bam says:

        I concur Alex…..given this was the opportunity for Dross to attack Sarwar …he made a pretty lacklustre fist of it and in fact..got blind-sided by Harvie on his anti-gypsy quotes……I almost feel sorry for wee Dougie.

        • grizebard says:

          Almost… but nah.

          The artless dodger has an unpleasant streak right through him like a stick of rock, and the only thing that makes one tend to overlook it is the fact that he’s maladroit with it. An ambitious nonentity promoted beyond his ability, permanently behind the curve and without any ideas of his own. His main asset is his effortless pliability, so if he manages to survive this upcoming electoral test (mostly for lack of anyone better), he will no doubt be a useful humble placemat to his eventual boss Baroness Placemat. When he even bothers to show up at all, that is.

  9. Golfnut says:

    I know we have lots of opinion sloshing about the web regards westminster gov borrowing which actually isn’t borrowing and actually isn’t debt that needs to be paid back. Well the FT have just published a graph which demonstrates that it’s no longer just opinion, it’s fact. Government induced poverty which has caused at least the premature deaths of 120,000 people and placed 5 million children and their families in poverty is driven by gov policy and not fiscal necessity.

    https://m.facebook.com/groups/1466864300089196/permalink/3662096383899299/

  10. P Harvey says:

    SNP 1 &2
    Unless Greens more likely to list vote in your region

    • Tam the Bam says:

      Oh…..you have a problem with SNP 1&2 P.Harvey?
      Have you got a crystal ball as regards the constituency vote where you live?
      I dont.

  11. Dr Jim says:

    Willie Rennie is like a wet washcloth in a bucket, as long as there are cars to wash he serves his purpose of waiting till the day he’s promoted to the House of Lords carwash for being the longest serving cloth in the history of being wet

    Anas the fake Sarwar learning how to beat the second guy by being more reasonable when he says *use the powahs* we don’t have because his party voted against having the *powahs* in the first place, but maybe the voters will have forgotten about that, crossed fingers

    DRoss sent in as the hitman by his party because they believed him when he claimed he could kill Independence but is so incompetent he keeps making the case for it

    Patrick Harvie is doing well considering he doesn’t actually have to do anything but support Independence and he’s safe, so he’ll go forward to the second round and judges houses to lift more list votes than the Salmond party

    Nicola Sturgeon quiet reserved and allowed the other parties to get on with trying to replace each other in the pecking order while she did nothing and used Patrick Harvie as the Independence candidate against them, Bobby Fischer would have applauded

    The FM knows when to cut throats and when to bend like a reed in the wind, Kung Fu politics

  12. Tam the Bam says:

    Dr Jim

    The concept of Oor Wullie gaun tae the hoose o’ lords………sorry its not conceivable…..is it?

    • Dr Jim says:

      Remember David Steele did it by succeeding at nothing, it’s an art

      • grizebard says:

        Steele was a player on the UK stage at one time, whereas Willie is probably unknown in London (except for Ed Davey, maybe). But WM has some history of giving ermine-clad payoffs to useful idiots who go down fighting hopelessly for the Union Cause (Baroness-to-be Placemat being the most recent case in point, far better known down there of course, but a political failure all the same), so who knows? The Great House of the People (Ermine) is apparently a Hilbert space which can expand infinitely in size to suit anyway.

  13. Tam the Bam says:

    Not gonnae bother Paul but wondered how I could upload a thing from somewhere else?

  14. Tam the Bam says:

    Here’s a thing….during an ad break during the STV Leaders thingy (it was never a debate)….I called a journo (sports) friend of mine.
    I like him because he has always been quick-witted and a ‘gut’ journalist….in other words..he will never get a job in a MSM paper….he understands and …..ask Derek Bateman or Lesley Riddoch.

  15. yesindyref2 says:

    “You just can’t, Colin”. Wins the internet.

  16. Tam the Bam says:

    Election?……what election……..here comes Jimi!

    • Hamish, five men in suits and…Nicola Sturgeon.
      What must women think when they tune in to this nonsense?
      In principle, I don’t watch anything on commercial TV, but can surmise how it panned out.

      Sarwar Dross and Salmond, turn up, 7 years too late, and Rennie, with the might of 5 MSPs and 5% of the vote, babbling rubbish about mental health, better ‘skools’ and creating jobs from some unspecified Job Finders Bureau.

      The Brits have allowed their Branch Offices to deteriorate to such an extent that there is nothing left in the locker.

      We are a ‘two party’ parliament now, both with independence to the fore in their manifestos.

      It’s comin’ yet for a’ that.

      I presume the MSM or Broadcasters have a juicy Nationalist sex scandal up their sleeves.

  17. Golfnut says:

    Alex Cross in the Orkney news, the ‘ leaders debate ‘

    https://theorkneynews.scot/2021/04/13/leaders-debate/

    Worth a read.

    • Thanks for this, Golfnut.
      Orkney News sums the whole debate up perfectly:-

      “It isn’t independence or recovery. It’s independence “for” recovery.

      It’s clear that a Scotland with every power available to it will recover much more quickly than one that doesn’t.

      Either we trust our fellow Scots with powers that every other democratic country takes for granted – or we don’t.”

      Sarwar Dross and Rennie…they are quite simply the death rattle of the Brits and colonialism.

  18. Alex Clark says:

    Argentina have formally complained to the UK government about their plans to carry out military tests of Rapier missiles in the Falkland Islands. They also complain that the Falklands are “Argentine territory illegitimately occupied by the United Kingdom”

    In response, the Tory MP for Romford, Andrew Rosindell, who is chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on the British Overseas Territories had this to say.

    “In 2013, the Falkland Islands emphatically told the Argentinian government that they are proud to be British and intend to remain British. On a turnout of 92 percent, just three people voted against remaining as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom. It is unbelievably boring to have to continuously remind the Argentinian government of this basic, democratic right to self-determination.”

    https://archive.ph/SQ8VZ

    Tories don’t do irony.

  19. Capella says:

    Just catching up so apos if already posted – “Resist, Reform, or Re-run? Short- and long-term reflections on Scotland and independence referendums”, report penned by Professor Ciaran Martin, a former top civil servant who helped engineer the Edinburgh Agreement with intro by Tom Devine.

    Worth reading this National article for the issues of legitimacy of the Union if it is no longer by consent but by coercion as Biris Johnston appears to now say.

    https://archive.fo/joxA7

  20. Alex Clark says:

    @Capella

    Some very good points made by Sir Tom Devine in the article, in particular, I think he is spot on with this:

    He said he thought it was “very likely that [Johnson] will have to concede” if a Yes majority is returned in May’s election but cautioned: “Then, there will be the mother of all arguments about the process and nature of the referendum.

    “It may be a battle, but the real war will be about how the referendum is constructed and who runs it. Is it going to be Scotland as it was in 2014, or is it going to be England?

    When the election returns another pro-Independence majority, hopefully, an SNP majority then Johnson has no escape and will not be able to hold out on the demand for another referendum. His best option will be to offer to start negotiations on a Section 30 order with the goal of kicking the can down the road which is what they always do.

    He can’t dodge it forever so the goal will be to influence the referendum to Westminsters advantage as much as possible. They will argue over the question to be asked, the timing of the referendum, the franchise of who can and can’t vote, the % required of the vote required to obtain a win.

    They will try and drag this out forever, the SNP cannot allow this and must set a deadline right at the outset where they will go ahead with the referendum anyway. Once this election is over and assuming a pro-Indy majority, things will start to get really interesting very very quickly.

    • Capella says:

      I agree. AFAIK the referendum bill will be extremely short as most of the ground work has already been done by the framework bill which has Royal Assent. The bill will only specify the wording and the date and maybe who is entitled to vote. If that date is vague then Westminster will have room for manoeuvre.

      I think the Scottish Government should involve international observers such as the OSCE.

      • Alex Clark says:

        Westminster won’t care about the Referendum Bill already passed, they will be asking for changes to that too, the question has already been decided and is in that Bill, so to the franchise.

        They know they will be onto plums but this option might appear easier for them to swallow than taking the Scottish Parliament to the Supreme Court and being seen as denying the Scots a democratic right to self determination.

        • grizebard says:

          Oh, Akismet strikes again. Let’s try it in parts.

          Trying to foist “poison pill” conditions (question, quotas, “devo-max” third option, etc.) onto a referendum which now has an established precedent and whose conditions are already set by us, consultations already having been made on the question (unnecessarily, IMO, but perhaps wisely), is just as bad as point-blank refusing to agree to having one. Arguably even worse.

          • Alex Clark says:

            I don’t disagree, I’m stating what I believe is a tactic that Westminster might use in order to stall another Referendum and stop it taking place until they have “something better” to use to thwart it.

            I also have stated that if this comes to pass then the Scottish government must set a deadline on the length of any talks and if an agreement isn’t reached then they should go ahead with the referendum regardless of an agreement.

            In the end, such spoiling tactics will play into the hands of the Scottish Parliament in the eyes of the wider world. Then again, maybe they will just agree a Section 30 order on Scotland’s terms after a pro-Indy majority is elected and they won’t challenge the Referendum Bill in the Supreme Court either.

            Is that wishful thinking LOL

            • grizebard says:

              It would be nice to continue with that thought, but every time I try it just goes off into a black hole somewhere…

      • Clydebuilt says:

        Don’t we require observers for this election? . . . . Record number of postal applications. . . .

        Stop An Independence majority in May ,mthen there won’t be a referendum!

        • Valkyrie says:

          Don’t know if we require observers, but we definitely NEED them.
          If we do make it to a referendum, Westminster will be desperate and prepared to try literally anything to stop their Scottish gravy train getting derailed.

          It would be incredibly naive to just trust the system and assume they’ll play fair.

  21. yesindyref2 says:

    I see Kerevan complaining in the National without declaring his vested interest, that the “Big Beast” wasn’t invited, and the taken over below the line totally unrepresentative posters also complaining and saying he should have been there.

    What is it about Gordon Brown that all these people think it was unfair to him?

    😕 😎

  22. ALASTAIR says:

    JK over at SGP highlighting a new poll by. Business in Scotland
    Yes 51% No 49 % and more to follow. All looking good.

    • grizebard says:

      Indeed. If you really have superiority, you never have to “prove” it.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Didn’t see all of this before, about the technical issue back in 2018.

      Curiouser and curiouser, said the mad hatter (not really).

  23. Alex Clark says:

    The Panelbase poll for Believe In Scotland have just released their seat projections based on the voting % polled for each party.

    So the Yes side sits at SNP 63 (NC), Greens 10 (+4), Alba 5 (+5) and the No side sits at Conservative 26 (-5), Labour 20 (-4), Lib Dems 5 (NC). This means that the pro-independence majority at Holyrood is predicted to be 27 seats.

    We asked Sir John Curtice for his thoughts and he told us:

    “The poll underlines the potential tactical choice that faces nationalist voters. On the one hand, it provides some support to Alba’s claim that a list vote for them could result in the election of more pro-independence MSPs.

    On the other hand, the poll also affirms that backing Alba on the list vote could cost the SNP seats – and, in turn, the prospect of an overall majority. Supporters of independence may well have to decide which they think is more likely to bring about a second referendum – having more pro-independence MSPs or the SNP winning an overall majority.”

    https://www.believeinscotland.org/exclusive-greens-and-alba-flying-high-on-list-but-snp-majority-in-danger/

    The poll gives the Alba party 6 seats which is the same as the Panelbase poll from April 4th in which they had 5% of the vote and now 6%. That poll though used a non standard question where it listed “Alba Party (led by Alex Salmond)” rather than just “Alba Party”. I’ve no idea what the question was this time though but suspect it was the same as last time.

    • Alex Clark says:

      Correction, the Alba Party % is No Change from the last Panelbase poll.

    • Eilidh says:

      My first thought when I read who commissioned this poll is who the heck are Believe in Scotland from info on attached link it appears that they are connected to some type of business think tank so if the non standard question has been asked re Alba it makes sense as they are hardly likely to be supporters of Scottish Independence or the Snp
      https://www.believeinscotland.org/about-us/

      • Golfnut says:

        Very definitely pro indy, Associated to ‘ Business for Scotland ‘

        • Eilidh says:

          I looked up Business for Scotland and I notice Gordon Mcintyre Kemp is involved with both these organisations. He used to write for the National but don’t think I have noticed anything from him there recently. I am deeply cynical about business think tanks in general but I am wondering is he another recent convert to the Alex Salmond party side of the force.Apart from Panelbase in 2 consecutive polls has Alex’s party polled as high as that in any other polls

          • Hamish100 says:

            Eilidh, surprised you have never been to his workshops/ presentations.
            I’m always suspicious of business people but he has filled a void in providing information for the business argument in Independence somewhat lacking in the SNP side. There was also a version of the little blue book which is the one thing wings did really well. Other productions ‘ posters are quite snappy and colourful for the independence fight to come.

        • grizebard says:

          They have always been sound, but his/their view on Alba isn’t clear (to me, anyway!).

          Of course, it could have been a pollster preference to have the “Salmond” association made manifest. But it would have been instructive in a way if the same pollster had “anonymised” it this time just to see what – if any – difference it made with them. The “Salmond” tag won’t be on the actual ballots anyway, IIRC.

      • yesindyref2 says:

        Courtesy of SS on SGP, from the data tables the question is standard:

        “And who would you vote for with your regional vote?”

        I knew GMK years ago in another context, and he’s the genuine never gives up article.

        • grizebard says:

          That part is, but it isn’t clear from your link exactly what if any names were offered. But even if none, if it was much the same set of responders as last time, they will already have been alerted anyway. So maybe an omission, if there was one, is not as helpful as I thought earlier.

          But of course it could still be a pollster effect that isn’t replicated elsewhere. Somebody (everybody?) has to be off-kilter somewhat.

          Casting a quick eye over the data, it’s clear that Alba’s support, such as it is, is generally coming from older SNP supporters (and more so the men than the women – hmmm, wonder why?), likely those folks who remember the Messiah’s better days. Taking votes from the SNP alone, thus, and not making any impression on younger folks much at all. If this is the best indication, neither good enough to make much impact but good enough to harm the SNP.

          • yesindyref2 says:

            Well, there were two posters on that thread who said it was a straight question, and that’s 2 out of 1002 sample size. That would be the equivalent of 6,000 to 8,000 in the full population, either SGP has a lot of readers who are also signed up to google accounts to be able to post there, or those signing up to Panelbase to be surveyed are a very small self-selected pool who don’t represent the general population very well.

            Perhaps it comes down to the same sort of accuracy you get from small subsamples, with minor parties when they’re not just part of “other” – as SS said some days back. The full regional ballot would have maybe 20 entries.

      • Grouser says:

        They are responsible for the poster campaign in Scotland which promotes Independence, i.e. they are actively campaigning and planning for Independence. They have monthly meetings on line to discuss issues pertaining to Independence and to plan activities that people can undertake to promote Independence. They have a large membership of grassroots supporters and I am surprised that anyone who is interested in Independence has not heard of Believe in Scotland.

  24. Capella says:

    The OSCE, which Craig Murray mentioned some time ago as the best organisation to observe elections, has a short video explaining its role. Looks like the ideal organisation to involve in our case. 4.23 mins:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRYMwpQ44X0

    • grizebard says:

      (2nd try) Most important, I reckon, is a means to highlight and correct any infringements of the ground rules as they occur, not simply mention them in a report afterwards when it’s all too late.

    • Clydebuilt says:

      at the time didn’t he point out that the UK would have to request the OSCE to come in . . . .

      also …..we need observers for this election . . . record nos. of postal votes . . . .

      plus stop an independence majority . . . then no referendum

    • Capella says:

      @ Grizebard @ Clydebuilt – I don’t know whether the UK has to invite them in. There wouldn’t be much point in doing conflict resolution if you need the transgressor to invite you in! But there may be more info on their website.

      I agree that this election is crucial. there will be many more postal votes this time. Second home and holiday home owners have been sent their election notices as local cleaners and house keepers can confirm. Exit polling is one way of knowing how accurate the count is though that doesn’t cover postal votes. Polling by reputable companies would be another check.

      Do we not trust the process?

      • grizebard says:

        You can’t “observe” postal votes, the best you can do is require that they be handled securely (oh, and within Scotland).

        Accurate voter registration is the key. That is the real systematic weakness at the moment, IMO.

      • grizebard says:

        Since postal voting has heretofore been skewed toward the elderly, it has tended to be Tory-loaded. This is just an observable fact. Things may have changed somewhat due to the current crisis, but it does mean that exit polls are potentially misleading such that they can give us a live impression we’re doing better than we actually are. (Trumpists in the recent US election were mirror-wise “anti-skewed”, with many younger opponents and suchlike using postal votes, which was the source of their election Big Lie.)

        I believe exit polls are mostly a media invention, TBH.

  25. Colin Alexander says:

    Soar Alba: Saor Alba! (Free Scotland).

    SNP Constituency: Alba: Regional List

  26. yesindyref2 says:

    http://search.electoralcommission.org.uk/Registrations/PP90

    “Primary name – Conservative and Unionist Party
    Address – 4 Matthew Parker Street London SW1H 9HQ United Kingdom
    Leader – Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson

    Descriptions
    Scottish Conservative and Unionist”

    That means Douglas Ross is a Description Leader, not a Party Leader.

  27. Capella says:

    OSCE info on elections – plenty of handbooks and examples of working in countries to read through here if you have lots of time to spare. Video too. Includes a Handbook for the Observation of Campaign Finance – one for Wingsy.

    https://www.osce.org/elections

  28. Alex Clark says:

    The Scottish Greens manifesto commitment on Independence includes:

    “The legislation covering all aspects of the referendum, including the question and the timing, should be decided by a simple majority of the Scottish Parliament. The Scottish Greens will campaign and vote for a referendum within the next Parliamentary term and under the terms of the Referendums Act (2020). We believe that the UK Government’s refusal to respect a pro-independence majority in the Scottish Parliament would not be politically sustainable and could be subject to legal challenge.”

    https://greens.scot/our-future/independence-and-scotland-s-future

    • Capella says:

      It’s tempting to vote SG in the NE list. They have come out strongly in favour of independence and supported the FM in the VONC. Both Patrick Harvie and Lorna Slater have been impressive in the Leader Debates too.

      But there’s one fly in the ointment called Queer Theory. I can’t support science denial. I think basing laws or policies on anti science is a big mistake and is bound to lead to trouble.

      If the SNP have a clear majority then they don’t have to bow to pressure from any other party. So both votes SNP is the best way to get that clear majority IMO. That’s what happened in 2011.

      But still – am keeping an eye on the polls nearer the time.

      • Alex Clark says:

        The best result as far as I’m concerned would be a clear outright majority for the SNP and that would be the result Westminster fears most.

        Failing that we need an Independence supporting majority in order to pass the Referendum Bill and that would include the Greens. It was important that their manifesto stated clearly support for an Independence referendum in the next parliament and that is what they have done.

      • grizebard says:

        I was thinking the same for here in Glasgow, but a combination of Greens standing in Kelvin, Pollock and Provan and the unknown effect of likely LibCon tactical voting (not covered by polling) mean that Labour still cannot be taken for granted in those constituencies, with a potential knock-on into the lists, where other distractions lie. If I could be more certain it might be different, but polls are never that reliable either…

  29. I see that Anas Sarwar and Jackie Baillie are getting cut and pastry lies printed by the Brit Dead Tree Scrolls and headlined as facts.

    Sarwar has his SNP ‘Fifty Failures’ schtick printed gleefully by the Herald…lies about police numbers and crime..Since Jack McConnell fucked off to earn a fortune as a ‘socialist’ Lord, the SNP has increased police numbers by 7.4% and crime has DROPPED by 24% since 20101-2011.

    Sarwar lies about hospitals and Baillie lies about the SNP diverting Barnett NHS money to other areas.

    Sarwar lies and blames the SNP for child poverty, not Brown, then Lobbyist Cameron, May, Ian Duncan Smith, and the serial spreader of the devil’s child seed, Johnson, and their two child cap, 10 year benefit freeze, and Rape Clause , zero hours low paid contracts which vile employers, including Sarwar himself, have used to oppress the poor, and the fact that we have half a million Scots living in Brit Nat Yoon Poverty, and 320,000 Scots children on English Parliament poverty level rates.

    I note also that Dross will build 40,000 ‘affordable homes’, over the next parliament (which he won’t because astonishingly he admitted to Colin McKay that Sturgeon will be the FM ) but that he would reintroduce the Right To Buy, so that my tax dollars will be used to sell of council houses cheaply once more, and we shall return to the Thatcher Dream of a shortage of publicly owned housing stock?
    Sarwar lies. Baillie lies. Dross lies.
    Babbling buffoons who know that there is no chance of them ever running Scotland this century never mind for the next four years.

    They really are a pathetic bunch.
    How the Hacks and broadcasters can keep a straight face as they attempt to lie to Scotland in print and broadcast on behalf of the agents of a foreign power, England, beats me.
    There’s a name for such dung beetles.
    Mercenaries.

  30. Alex Clark says:

    Just watched the SNP manifesto launch, Nicola Sturgeon was back on top form and with progressive policies that no other party can come close to. Gammon was heard to explode all over the UK as the Scots were once again given English money to spend on “freebies”.

    Many journalists are left licking their wounds after the mauling they received from the FM as she put them straight.

    • Now that Sarwar has admitted that, as Dross has, he will not be the next FM, and wee Rennie, with 5.25 0f the vote and falling last time has no chance, is there any point in any of the brit Nat Parties producing manifestos at all?
      They can, and are promising all sorts of hazily worded ‘change’, in the certain knowledge that the few which get the Golden Ticket look forward to Money For Nothing for another five years bah-roohing the Bad EssEnnPee?
      There shall be an independence referendum in the first half of the next government..they all know that…
      So they can promise anything they like in their pledges..knowing that it is the End of Days for Britland. VOte Red Blue Yellow Tory and get a free bottle of bubbly!

      The delicious thought that we shall not have to listen to Gove Johnson Hancock Rees Mogg or Starmer and…no, I’m unable to name an English Lib Dem off the cuff…for much longer is exhilarating on so many levels.

      I’d build a wall at Gretna, and when we rejoin the EU. look on as Scotland, as a member of a 505 million strong Trading bloc, play hard ball with our Southern Neighbour over the 60% trade they shall desperately need with their former colony.

      We are on the brink..I can taste it in the air.

  31. Capella says:

    The Manifesto launch is online and my twitter feed is a constant stream of great policies. Good for NS – free bikes for all children of school age who can’t afford one – may seem trivial but what a boon for poorer children and a boost to physical and mental health.

    Scroll through. https://mobile.twitter.com/theSNP

  32. yesindyref2 says:

    From elsewhere:

    This week Wings jointly commissioned a Panelbase poll with another organisation. Let’s take a look at a few of its findings.

    Firstly we asked about the aftermath of the two inquiries into the shambolic botched stitch-up of Alex Salmond by the Scottish Government.“”

    If this is the poll from Believe in Scotland, they made a bad mistake being joint with Wings, as preliminary questions always affect later ones – like exaggeratging the support for Alba.

    I presume it isn’t though, and the other organisation was the Scotland Office under Alister “Bobbin'” Jack.

    • Alex Clark says:

      I think it is the same poll, because I saw yesterday that the first 4 questions were not released with the results of the Believe in Scotland poll though were asked at the same time.

      I’ve tried finding the link but no joy yet, I think it was a comment on SGP or James Kelly’s twitter.

  33. Capella says:

    shambolic botched stitch-up

    Typical hyperbolic language as used by Alex Salmond in his evidence session to the Scottish Parliament Harassment Committee. He never failed to say “catastrophic” every time he referred to the new procedure for dealing with historic complaints. He now intends to take the Scottish Government to court with a view to having Leslie Evans sacked. How dare anyone investigate his bad behaviour.

    Having a procedure for investing complaints of harassment is a good policy. Westminster should follow suit. Sweeping the alleged bad behaviour of powerful men under the carpet is immoral.

    It’s time these entitled overgrown teenagers grew up.
    (Apologies to teenagers everywhere no offence intended)

  34. Now that BBC is no longer reporting this, below is today’s Covid stats.

    Scottish numbers: 15 April 2021
    Summary
    237 new cases of COVID-19 reported
    23,580 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 1.2% of these were positive
    1 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
    16 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
    115 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
    2,708,691 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 661,975 have received their second dose

    Can’t have Good News associated with NS during purdah, can we?
    We’re beating this terrible disease.
    Public broadcasting service my erse.

  35. Grouser says:

    SNP1 Alba2 – look up the arithmetic which others have done for you. It makes sense.

    • Golfnut says:

      Did Bailley do the sums for you.

      • Grouser says:

        We are all working for an Independent Scotland – in my case since I joined the SNP in 1965 when I was able to go around Pollok with leaflets for George Leslie. I am, therefore, used to being laughed at for holding opinions that are unfashionable but which are nonetheless have proved to be valid.

        I will not cast a vote which will be discounted and result in more Unionists being elected on the List.

        I will include a link which I am afraid will provoke some people, for which I am sorry. We all want Independence and if we cannot work together perhaps we could work for Independence in a civil and respectful way.

        I cannot find my link to the tables of results from past elections and don’t have time to do it now. However, as a matter of discussion of the topic Yes Southside is holding a discussion on this and perhaps some of you might be interested.

        YES Southside

        Wed, Apr 7, 9:47 PM (8 days ago)

        to bcc: me
        Dear Yes Southside Supporter,

        We’re hosting a discussion on the list vote for Indy supporters. Details as follows:

        Monday 19th April at 7 p.m. on Zoom
        Speakers: Cllr Jon Molyneux, Scottish Greens; Roza Salih, SNP; and a speaker from the Alba Party to be confirmed.

        You can book your place and get the Zoom link on Eventbrite:
        https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/how-to-use-your-list-vote-a-guide-for-yes-supporters-tickets-149948320463 (end of email)

        I am hoping for a productive and civil discussion.

        • grizebard says:

          “I will not cast a vote which will be discounted” – so you’re not voting for the pop-up after all, then?

          And please, you may have successfully mislead yourself, but don’t try it on with others. You won’t displace Unionists as long as you don’t take votes from them, and the pop-up won’t do that, it’ll only take votes from the SNP and/or Greens, which might – among other possible damage – prevent another SNP or Green getting through on the list without delivering any compensation whatever, given current levels of support. Competing only with other pro-indy parties just doesn’t make any sense.

          Find a way to get colour Tory voters to change their minds – that’s the only way to achieve what we all want.

    • grizebard says:

      “There’s a spreadsheet somewhere. Stands to reason, innit?”

      How insulting. You’re not even trying.

    • Statgeek says:

      Show your working pls.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Firstly, Alba are in a total minority demanding negotiations start in the first week of the new parliament, therefore there is no democratic mandate for that. It would need the SNP at least and probably the Greens to have that in their manifesto – and being sane and democratic, and respecting the people of Scotland unlike Salmond, they don’t. So that’s Alba’s manifesto blown out of the water before the election is even held.

      Secondly, even if they get getting on for 6% of the list vote which is very unlikely, the poll of polls is just over 3%, they can only get 8 seats, 1 from each region, without then having to DOUBLE that vote to get any more seats – like 10% bare minimum more like 12%, as their effective vote is then halved the way the AMS works. And their maximum seats is 32. It needs 65 for a majority.

      Thirdly, if Salmond is anywhere near Holyrood, everyone will stay away. It would also make Scotland an international laughing stock.

      A vote for Alba is a wasted vote. But worse, if any Alba MSPs are elected, which is very unlikely, they would reduce the chances of Indy Ref 2 AND Independence because of their duff arrogant ane ego-centric manifesto, which promises something which is totally impossible for them to deliver even if every single one of the 32 list candidates was elected in a parallel dimension somewhere in the multiverse of very strange placves, and whose purpose is to get just one man some publicity he craves.

      And the “arithmetic” says that with 2.1% or even 3% of the list vote, Alba get no seats, zero, nil, zilch, nada, a complete waste of a vote.

      No wonder you’re grousing! Someone sold you a pup (with apologies to dogs).

    • jfngw says:

      Too late, my postal vote paper is already complete. SNP 1 & 2. If only you had mentioned it earlier, now I’m left just twiddling my hair.

      • grizebard says:

        {laugh}

        I see JK@SGP is trying to rally people today to put the pop-up on their postal vote, but if a lot more indy supporters are returning postal votes this time, there’s obviously no surge happening, James, whatever you might wish, so it’s all too late for the latecomers…

    • Pray tell where would one “look up the arithmetic”?

      The arithmetic won’t be available until the 7th of May. I won’t be making any assumptions based on the last election and I certainly won’t be putting any faith in positive polling numbers from one, and only one, company producing two polls at odds with every other.

      • grizebard says:

        It leaves me thinking though there are some now who might fall into the temptation of casting a postal vote for the pop-up, then during these last few weeks and well before the 7th already begin to suffer from buyer’s regret as the gamble goes sour. As the saying goes “act in haste and repent at leisure”.

        • Call me a cynic, or perhaps even a paranoiac, but I think the MSM will happily manipulate the news agenda to keep Alba at or around 3-5% in the polls. It maximises the harm to the wider indy vote, perhaps allowing a few Unionists to squeak in. The hope of hopes being they can prevent an indy majority.

          If there are signs of an Alba surge (no sniggering at the back), they’ll spread some poison and lay off, or boost them, if they lag too far.

    • Hamish100 says:

      Grouser. Postal votes arrived. So far —are you listening dame Davidson SNP 1 & 2 x 3. West of Scotland

      • yesindyref2 says:

        2016 West Scotland Constituency SNP 8, Lab 1, Con 1.

        List:
        Lab 72,544 / 2 = 36,272
        Con 71,528 / 2 = 35,764
        Lab 72,544 / 3 = 24,181
        Con 71,528 / 3 = 23.842
        Lab 72,544 / 4 = 18,136
        Con 71,528 / 4 = 17,882
        Green 17,218 / 1 = 17,218

        leaving the parties with the nett votes:

        SNP 135,827 / 9 = 15,091
        Lab 72,544 / 5 = 14,508
        Con 71,528 / 5 = 14,305
        Green 17,218 / 2 = 8,609

        So – Green had no realistic chance of a 2nd seat, and if the SNP had got 1 less constituency seat, they would have had a nett SNP 135,827 / 8 = 16,978 and taken whichever of Lab or Con took their constituency seat.

        Vital to vote SNP 1 & 2, and I’ll be doing my postal votes that way.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Scottish_Parliament_election

  36. yesindyref2 says:

    Even Wings thinks a vote for Alba is a wasted vote. From his latest blog:

    The very best Alba can realistically hope for is to build a base for the NEXT election.

    So that means a vote for Alba this election is a wasted vote. For Indy Ref 2 in the first half of THIS parliamentary term, vote SNP 1 and 2, or SNP 1, Green on the list. Both of them have it in their manifestoes. If you want to wait until AFTER 2026, then by all means waste your regional vote on Alba, the DOMP.

  37. Capella says:

    Excellent article in The National from Richard Murphy on why an independent Scotland needs it’s own currency. He has a link to his free ebook “Money for Nothing and my Tweets for Free”. Good info for when the referendum debate starts (on the 7th May).
    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19235714.richard-murphy-scotland-shouldnt-shackled-pound-independence/

    • grizebard says:

      I don’t think there’s very much doubt about that, it’s more a question of how you manage the transition, especially how fast. The small-c conservative Scottish public want to make sure that their finances are secure, so planning to continue using the pound in the short term helps to assure the fearties for IR2. But with our impending departure and the accumulating consequences of Brexit, maybe the pound isn’t that great a bet anyway, so people might soon see that it’s better to move on. IMO, the sooner the better. The most likely problem with the merk Scots that I foresee will be that it’s too strong.

      (Oh, and we need our own provably-stable currency before we can even contemplate joining the euro, though of course we could just use the euro instead of the pound. I think an independent Scotland should make the euro a tradeable currency anyway.)

      Though with an election pending, maybe we’re getting ahead of ourselves just a little right now (even if it’s heartening to dream)…

      • Capella says:

        There will have to be a transition period. In 2014 that was estimated to be 2 years. Just think – if only we had been independent in 2016 none of this would be happening. Oh well.
        So, providing everyone does the right thing and we have an indy majority, the preparations for “living in the early days of a better country” start in May.

        • iusedtobeenglish says:

          “There will have to be a transition period.”

          Silly question, I know but
          In the event of a YES vote sometime soon, could WM just say “OK, sod off and don’t let the door hit you on the way out”.

          I know they shouldn’t, but this particular govt doesn’t always do what it should, does it?

          How quickly could Scotland get the major items sorted if this *did* happen?

          (Be gentle, I’ve never claimed to be up to speed on this stuff!)

          • Alex Clark says:

            Sure they could.

            Then watch the FTSE 100 plunge, the value of the pound tank, electricity blackouts across England as the taps are turned. Sure they could say “sod off” but grown ups are not meant to act that way and they would just look silly now wouldn’t they LOL.

          • grizebard says:

            In relation to currency specifically, there’s not a blind thing London can do to stop us. We can use whatever currency we like, right from the get-go. (Back in the day, the new USA used Spanish silver currency, for example.) The only reason to continue to use pounds sterling is so that bank accounts etc would continue unchanged. There is a potential downside, as others have previously mentioned, but “only” in relation to financial control, which doesn’t matter as far as the transition itself is concerned. Literally “the pound in your pocket” would be exactly the same (which is more than what happened when a Labour PM once duplicitously employed that term).

            As for other matters, we are the possessors of the UK nuke arsenal. So negotiations are going to happen. Need I say any more…?

            • iusedtobeenglish says:

              @grizebard 8.44

              So you don’t favour the Scot£ then?

              Or would that be a longer term thing?

              • grizebard says:

                Sorry, I’ve tried 5 times to reply, but Akismet has blocked every attempt, and why I just don’t know. Maybe I should try posting it word-by-word to discover where it baulks.

              • grizebard says:

                Oh no, fairly short-ish term.

              • grizebard says:

                I believe we should move to our own Merk Scots as soon as possible, and moreover one that is not an ersatz pound either in value or in name, deliberately intended to be domestically and internationally distinctive. (No more going into foreign exchanges and having our own bank notes being treated as dodgy English ones.)

                But there does have to be a transition period, as Capella says, and that’s needed not only for administrational purposes to get the necessary institutions in place, but also (perhaps more importantly) it’s needed right now to convince potential “yes” voters that we’re not going to just launch ourselves “off the deep end” financially and see what happens. But equally for everyone’s sake we have to be serious and communicate our firm intentions right from the start.

                I do believe the high international reputation of the Scots for financial probity and carefulness will stand us in very good stead. As I said recently, I anticipate that our problem with currency before very long (~5 years) will be that it becomes too strong.

          • Golfnut says:

            A transition period is the ideal scenario, a bit like having a section 30 agreement, both desirable neither necessary. Westminster is incapable of acting with any kind of integrity so I’m guessing the FM is hoping for the best( a forlorn hope of you examine westminsters record) and planning for the worst case scenario.

          • Bob Lamont says:

            Sorting out the major items if it became an emergency could be done in days, but you worry unnecessarily over an Etonian flounce, Johnson would barely reach the end of his sentence before being lynched by Tory donors…

          • The first item on the agenda would be whether The Kingdom of England (or whatever laughably convoluted or historically inaccurate name they call themselves) wish to be the successor state. We can assume that they will, if only to retain the permanent seat on the UN Security Council. In which case Scotland would be at liberty to walk away from all of the UK’s obligations. In the unlikely event that England insists on us taking a share of the UK’s liabilities (and common assets), then it would be significantly more complicated, but going that route they would just be another new nation (no successor state) with the same status as Scotland, but then they’d lose the UNSC seat.

            The reality is, assuming England is the successor to the UK, there will be something in the middle; the SNP have already indicated that they’ll take on pension provision, even though there’s no obligation to do so. Anything devolved won’t be affected much. So that basically leaves agreements over reserved matters and new arrangements arising from having an international border.

            Citizenship shouldn’t be much of an issue; anyone born a Brit can continue to be a citizen of KoE&NI if they wish. A common travel area, as per RoI is likely. Customs could be an issue if they want to play silly buggers. Scotland rejoining the Single Market will certainly complicate things, but not in the short-term. Scotland would have to make it’s own diplomatic arrangements, having walked away from the UK’s, so that really wouldn’t be an issue. Defence would be a sticky problem, especially the nukes. We’d need a share of the fleet from the get go, if only to patrol the fisheries.

            Ongoing trade would probably dominate the agenda, but despite the frothings from the project fear merchants England really does need our spare energy capacity now & will certainly need our spare water very soon; we hold some strong cards.

            To conclude, negotiations shouldn’t be complicated if Westminster are willing to be adults about it and we’ll cope if they aren’t.

            No doubt my stream of consciousness has missed a few things, but I think I’ve covered the basics.

            • Got ninja’d a few times while I was waffling on.

            • Alex Clark says:

              I think you covered the basics very well. A wee reminder now and then is a good thing.

            • iusedtobeenglish says:

              Thanks for this, Drew. I think, between everybody, most things have been covered.

              I thought WM had said they were the successor state in 2014 – unless they can change their mind? Can’t see that, though, I assume they’ll want us to feel small and isolated…

              On that subject, I notice that ScotGov’s been speaking to EFTA and the Nordic Council for a while and they seem quite open to the idea of having us. And haven’t we established trading hubs in a few EU countries too?

              “To conclude, negotiations shouldn’t be complicated if Westminster are willing to be adults about it and we’ll cope if they aren’t.”

              I’m sure we shall. I just wondered how long it’d take to establish the basics and get trade and international relations set up if – as seems likely – only one side are grown ups.

              Anyway, one cheery thought is they couldn’t ‘starve us out’ as was suggested for Ireland. Fish, beef, sheep, venison, oats, barley, cheeses, soft fruits, tatties (& neeps 🙂 ) etc and, of course whisky and the associated gin. And Irn Bru.What more do you need?

            • You may have seen that I started this Divorce conversations earlier on above and had a wee ding dong especially with Indyref2 and P Harvey.
              DWP confirmed in 2014 that r UK will still be liable to pay state pensions and part pensions for Scots who ‘earned’ their contributions pre Independence Day, they will have pre I Day Pension rights to a UK Pension. That is beyond dispute..

              Just like Silver Settlers in Spain or Australia or Canada, Scots Pensioners will continue to be funded by rUK.

              What New Scotland is committed to do is to take over the NI Pensions scheme and provide state pensions for Scots ‘earned years’ from I Day onwards.
              As a 73 year old, I noted this very carefully.

              MY sis in law in Australia is in the process of ‘buying’ extra years NI contributions towards entitlement to a full UK State pension.

              Archie MacPherson was caught on camera lying to a frail old lady on her doorstep during Project Fear 2014, telling her that she would lose her UK RP if she voted YES.

              The export and trade arrangements with rUK will be the same as the Deal rUK has with the EU, as we assume that we will join the EU bloc as full members while divorcing England.
              62% voted to Remain after all.

              On the currency issue, we couldn’t use the pound for long, as we prospered economically while England suffered because of Brexit.

              This from the Mc Crone Report.

              “Scotland’s central economic problem is to secure a faster rate of economic growth so that she can raise income levels and absorb the excess labour which presently appears as high unemployment and emigration. As has been explained, this is a situation which would normally point to devaluation as a possible remedy. North Sea oil, however, by giving the country a chronic balance of payments surplus, would rule out any possibility of devaluation. Indeed, it is hard to see how an upward valuation of the currency could be avoided. Obviously this pressure should be resisted as far as possible; but unless there was a remarkable change in the strength of sterling, it must be expected that the Scots pound would rise in relation to it fairly soon after independence, especially if the latter continues its downward slide. A revaluation would give rise to none of the difficulties which were argued earlier to apply to a Scottish devaluation.

              Since the effect would be to reduce prices and raise incomes there would not be the same resistance to making it effective in Scotland. An exchange rate of £1 Scots to 120p sterling within two years of independence therefore seems quite probable.”

              50 years on from this scandalous report, oil is no longer the issue. Renewables, fresh water, and ‘taking back control of our money are.
              Scotland is booming.

              AS NS pointed out in her manifesto launch today, Scotland ‘s electricity is now 100% renewable, we are to invest £100 million in hydrogen clean fuel, and we have wind and waves 365 days a year.

              Just like Norway Denmark or Ireland, we shall thrive and prosper as an independent resource rich small state.

              Our Scotdollar or whatever we call it, would soon outperform the tired old GBP.

              This is why the ‘independent’ IFS (no it’s not, it is a Brit Nat funded propaganda unit) and the LONDON School of Economics are turning their guns on us.
              This is why that rabid Brit Ciaran Jenkins heavily edited ‘interview’ with NS tonight tells us that they are terrified witless.
              Independence is inevitable.

              • iusedtobeenglish says:

                Thanks for this, Jack. In fact, thanks to everybody who responded.

                I wish this had been easily available for IndyRef1, I’d’ve voted YES then if it had. My heart said YES, my head said “But how would it be funded?”

                What I’d like to see is a series of short presentations on each topic, chaired by an independent person. And I mean *truly* independent – Dutch, Danish, Norwegian or similar. I hesitate to say Irish… To be broadcast simultaneously on all channels – if they can do it for Phil, they can do it for Indy – and at least 3 times to catch all viewing audiences. Unedited. NO TALKING HEADS ALLOWED AFTERWARDS!

                I’ve got a working title (courtesy of Mhairi Black) ‘If Scotland wanted to JOIN the Union’
                Start with an overview “The Vision” then a series of individual topics

                I’d suggest the following format:
                Topic/Question: eg Well-being policies
                1) Representatives to present case – NS & BJ (he’s the ‘Minister for the Union’, only excuse for non-attendance is a valid death certificate) +1 eg Kate Forbes for us. Can’t think of anyone who could support BJ about well-being and how it’d be financed! Suppose he could bring The Mooth, but can only use as factual back-up.

                BJ: What Scotland currently gets and why it’s so wonderful
                NS: How Scotland can develop and what we’d need to do it

                This to be in the form of a factual paper which has been pre-submitted for Fact Checking and which may not be deviated from. If it is, the chair to interrupt and call out the offender, likewise if facts aren’t accurate.
                2) Questions/clarifications from Chair
                3) Questions from public
                NB: Questions only. Any political opinions or personal abuse from either side to be cut off immediately
                4) Summing up by chair, including info regarding the podcast/transcript to be made easily available to public both electronically and hard copy.

                Won’t get it of course

                • Bob Lamont says:

                  This “I wish this had been easily available for IndyRef1, I’d’ve voted YES then if it had. My heart said YES, my head said “But how would it be funded?” ” I’d part agree with, it was always there but got submerged in the political noise from by the media in full blown panic.

                  Since 2014 a fair body of detailed analysis has been assembled just waiting to be linked – On economics, Richard Murphy, Craig Dalzell, Business for Scotland, etc..
                  RM in particular did a series of short videos which gave bite sized chunks, his recent one on Scotland v Sterling is straight and to the point.

                  As for the notion of an honest debate, if has never happened and will never happen because the entire Union illusion is built on Dishonesty, and England shows no sign of wakening up from their trance..
                  Hence Scots’ realisation that Indy is no longer an aspiration but has become a necessity..

                  • iusedtobeenglish says:

                    I’d agree with almost all of what you’ve said, Bob.

                    I’ve only fairly recently become aware of all the stuff you mention via Talking Up Scotland – where I asked for, and received, such links. Really informative they are too.

                    My caveat is that most people don’t go looking for this stuff. It needs to be put right under their noses. Which is why I think the pandemic has helped the cause – it shows political decisions working on a day-to-day basis. Think it was in the Guardian that there was an article saying that Covid had shown that the 4 Nations could govern themselves – esp because WM was, quite obviously only speaking for England.

                    I also agree that the chances of an honest and open debate are practically non-existent. Hence my final comment!

                    I agree Indy is now a necessity, as does my previously Hard-NO son. He now believes nothing else will do.

                    I’m struck by the number of people (probably No voters) who say that this WM government won’t be forever. And, indeed, the next one might be better and “allow” Scotland to do what it wants. But the fact is that it’s now becoming plainer that the problem is that, even if this happens next time, IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN. The big problem now, to me, is time. Can we get out before they can stop us?

                    • Bob Lamont says:

                      I mean no offence, but because you were not aware of it, do not presume it is a universal issue. One of the reactions to the media “propaganda” war was the blossoming of alternative sources, WGD a prime example, John’s TUSK site another. Much though the lack on site interaction may depress both on occasion, the extent of their influence is immense, hence the regular visits by disruptors
                      I agree a stitching together of all the disparate work which has been done would be a godsend for ease of access, but consider the current advantage of keeping it all separate ? Single point of attack etc ?
                      “IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN” – This always was the root of the problem from Thatcher onward, but what the Etonian wiffle waffle merchant cum Prime Charlatan has highlight it bold crayon.

                      They can’t stop us, it really is that simple.

                    • iusedtobeenglish says:

                      I’m not in the least offended – in fact I take all your points! I was simply speaking on behalf of all those who don’t know that they don’t know. Which I feel I can do because, until very recently, I was one of them!

  38. Capella says:

    An astonishing 69% of women between 16 – 34 intend to vote SNP.

    • To paraphrase the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, whisky will get us through times of no food better than food will get us through times of no whisky!

      One thing we should be wary of perhaps, is negotiations being dragged out (deliberately) and revenue potentially drying up. I’m sure the UK treasury won’t be in any hurry to stop collecting everything and sending us pocket money. We’ll have nontrivial costs associated with setting up agencies currently controlled outwith Scotland; coping with the DVLA’s functions for example. So I’d want to see us in control of our finances as a precursor to further negotiation; whether that’s realistic or not, I don’t know.

      Your comment about the Nordic Council negotiations is news to me, but I’m not at all surprised. There has been significant, if unwelcome at the time, Nordic influence on our culture & we have plenty in common with their members.

      • Oops, this was meant to be a reply to Iusedtobeenglish upthread.

        I know what happened, I opened the reply box here because I’m on my phone in bed & the reply box is down to a single character up there and didn’t skip back. Short term memory going; early-ish senior moment?

        I haven’t had a look at Scandinavia and the World for a while; here’s all their stuff referencing Scotland:
        https://satwcomic.com/the-world/scotland

      • iusedtobeenglish says:

        Can’t remember where I read about the Nordic Council now. I think there are positive noises, but nothing settled. I do think we have more in common with the Nordics than the (Southern) English. Which is quite odd, considering their roots. The North of England was also heavily ‘influenced’ in the same way. Perhaps that’s why so many say they feel more akin to Scotland than London.

        I do know a NC delegation came to the Scottish Parliament 30.12.2020, partly to collaborate on COPD26. I was also surprised to find that we’ve been developing an Arctic Strategy since 2017. Presumably, this is just more of the ‘nothing’ the SNP have been doing to build towards independence though – so it can be safely ignored!

        I think you’ve actually put your finger on the thoughts behind my original question. If they said “Sod off”, but dragged things out so we were trying to set things up on very limited finances, how soon could the basic be met?

        I take your point about financial controls. I was thinking we’d need immediate control of our water and energy supplies. Do you think that might jolly things along a bit?

        Could we, perhaps, set out a default position and insist on a deadline for negotiations? I’m thinking something along the lines of if WM can’t agree reasonable terms at the end of a (state length) transition period:
        Scotland gains full, immediate control of fiscal, financial and physical resources (if not already in place)
        Scotland get all the assets, inc a return to the original, pre-Blair(?) sea border
        There will be no obligation to contribute – or even negotiate – compensation for any debt
        UK agrees to refund all money charged to Scotland as spent “on Scotland’s behalf” when it wasn’t

        Could we ask for international arbitration – or at least observation – of the negotiations to ensure both sides remain fair and reasonable?

  39. Alex Clark says:

    I think Nicola Sturgeon fired the starting gun today for the preparations for “living in the early days of a better country”.

    Be in doubt that the commitments made in this manifesto are just the start of what’s needed if we want to live in a better country. Just of the top of my head with the announcements today:

    Scrapping all charges for NHS dental care.
    Free breakfasts and lunch for ALL Primary School children.
    A doubling of the Scottish Child payment from £10 to £20/week for the poorest families.
    The provision of child care for all children over 1 year old.
    A laptop or tablet for every pupil and free Internet access for the poorest families.

    There was much more and over the next 3 weeks, you will hear howls and screams of protest as to how it will all be paid for and who will do the paying. Especially from the Daily Mail and the Spectator and Marr, this is top class trolling of the right wing media by the FM.

    Before too long they will be insisting that the Barnett Formula is scrapped and that England halts all “subsidies” to its Scottish colony and that we get too much for nothing and they want their money back. The howls will grow and by the time of the next referendum, they will be demanding we leave and stand on our own two feet as they sick to death of scrounging Jocks that don’t know how to even show any gratitude for their benevolence LOL.

    Things are going to get interesting very quickly, we are living in the early days of a better country.

    • Golfnut says:

      My thoughts as well Alex, Nicola is putting down markers. Are you watching Mr Salmond.

    • iusedtobeenglish says:

      “Before too long they will be insisting that the Barnett Formula is scrapped and that England halts all “subsidies” to its Scottish colony and that we get too much for nothing and they want their money back. The howls will grow and by the time of the next referendum, they will be demanding we leave and stand on our own two feet as they sick to death of scrounging Jocks that don’t know how to even show any gratitude for their benevolence LOL.”

      I hope Mr Blackford will then show due deference and humility to the House? He must agree that, as with Brexit, Scotland MUST defer to the WilladaBritishpeeple.

      So we will in future struggle by purely on our own assets and the pittance we’d normally send to WM in tax revenues. We fully understand that Barnett’s scrapped, so we’ll have to borrow for ourselves in future. It’ll be hard because ISTR that Scotland’s credit rating had only been put at AAA, whereas there was talk that UK’s was ABB or something.

      We can come to some arrangement about paying back the ‘subsidies’ once WM has put all the oil revenues into some kind of wealth fund. (He can – humbly, of course – suggest that we think Norway has one that seems to work).

      Oh – and the Nukes. We’ll have to charge a great deal more for storage (need the cash, ya know). Although we’re willing to swap them for a comprehensive, mutually agreeable Trade deal delivered within (state achievable timescale). We’ll – gratefully, of course – accept the revised amount for storage till then. Failing that, we could just send them back to America on the UK’s behalf telling them they’ve nowhere to put them if they prefer…

      They can let us know about that at their convenience.
      And the water.
      And the energy.

      The SNP MPs could then all file out – perhaps waving a tartan/saltire patterned sock and shouting “Dobbie’s a free elf!” Not sure what the Scottish Yoon MPs would do…

  40. grizebard says:

    SNP manifesto released today, so what does C4 news do? Ciaran Jenkins has a handy hit list of smarty-pants questions of the “when did you stop beating your husband?” variety, deliberately intended to put his interviewee on the defensive, then interrupted her answers, which had all the appearance of being artificially truncated besides. And not one question on the manifesto itself, so we poor viewers are left entirely none-the-wiser. (Which may have been the intention, of course.)

    Hard news or banal retrospective grievance-mongering? I know you’re only competing with the BBC, but we deserve far better from you than this, Kieran and C4. Shoddy.

    • Legerwood says:

      Here is a link to the Ch4 interview
      https://www.channel4.com/news/scottish-election-2021-snp-pledges-transformational-spending-for-nhs

      And you are correct they did cut her answers. It was pretty obvious that they had done so probably because they were not getting what they wanted from her. She was good.

      • Alex Clark says:

        Truly awful interview, to expect anyone to have a grasp of every report produced by the various think tanks on Scotland is simply ridiculous. As pointed out earlier, this interview had nothing to do with today’s Manifesto and everything to do with trying to rubbish the FM and attack the SNP.

        These journalists are disgusting creatures that warrant no respect from any member of the public. their agenda is simply to twist public perception to suit their’s or their employer’s bias.

        • Legerwood says:

          Alex
          Agreed about the report thing but she did not let him away with it. She pointed out the selective nature of his quotes and pointed out that he had the things in front of him and she did not.

          It was a poor interview but mainly and solely down to the interviewer who was not trying to elicit information but merely trying to trip up the interviewee. He did not get away with that.

          He also interviewed an SNP candidate earlier in the week. Think it was in Dumbarton constituency. His ‘attack’s strategy in that interview was based around the attainment gap and why so few pupils from poorer backgrounds did not get an A at Higher level. Pathetic and he was duly knocked back by the SNP candidate in a quite effective manner in my opinion.

      • P Harvey says:

        Just watched and truly shocked at what I saw. Independence ASAP 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

    • Stephen McKenzie says:

      A C4 cut and paste job to suit a predetermined outcome they wanted from guy who with his weird coat really wanted to be a bit part actor in the Matrix and had used extra gel on his hair for his big interview.

  41. Phil says:

    Energy …
    Slick Presentation …
    But I recognise the signs …

    Here comes our New Country.

    This morning on ‘Call Kay(with an e)’ was Anas Sarwar. Yes, Sarwar the soft spoken. The last words of that programme were from a text … ~ Ah’ve been a Labour voter all my life but Ah’ll only vote Labour agin when you support independence.

  42. Alex Clark says:

    This is just the first I’ve seen so far, though we can expect many more attacks on the SNP manifesto in the coming weeks along the lines of “how can they afford it”.

    The SNP’s manifesto for the Holyrood election on 6 May promises to increase frontline NHS spending by at least 20%, costing £2.5 billion, and proposes £10bn to be spent on NHS facilities.

    The party also wants to eliminate dental charges and double the value of the Scottish child payment.

    There will also be a rise in mental health spending and extra costs for setting up a National Care Service…

    Other commitments include an additional £500m to support new, green jobs and reskill people for the jobs of the future, and an investment of £33bn in infrastructure projects over the next five years. The party will build 100,000 more affordable homes over the next decade…

    David Phillips, an associate director at the IFS, said: “The SNP’s manifesto continues with a trend of greater universality in public service provision – providing services free to everyone.

    “Paying for all of these pledges in what could be a tight funding environment over the next few years will require tricky trade-offs though: tax rises or spending cuts in at least some other areas.”

    https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2021/04/sturgeon-manifesto-plan-a-difficult-square-to-circle/

    • Golfnut says:

      Not servicing England’s debt free’s up £4 billion a year which covers everything on that list and more, not sure the guys in the right job.

      • We wouldn’t be spending 4.3% of our GDP, allegedly (according to GERS), on defence; that’s a serious chunk o’ change.

        We’d also be collecting 96% the revenue from oil, as opposed to being “credited” with an 8% “share, pro-rata, of a UK asset”. We’d also be likely to seek a better return; Norway’s Statoil generates more per barrel for Norway’s treasury than the UK’s Chumsco arrangements.

        I know thx consensus is to diversify away from oil, but in the short-term…

  43. yesindyref2 says:

    Something to remember after a YES vote. It was Sturgeon and Moore did the negotiations for the S30 and the Edinburgh Agreement, and it was commonly agreed Strugeon got the better of it. While Salmond just signed on the dotted line ……

    Anyone who underestimates Sturgeon is Cameron, and look what happened to him!

  44. Alex Clark says:

    An Independent Scotland can easily afford all of these improvements to public services and more when we stop paying our “share” of the bill for the replacement of Trident or to build the likes of HS2 and Crossrail.

    We can afford to improve the lives of Scottish children when we no longer have to pay our “share” for improvements to London sewers and the upkeep of their museums, monuments and other infrastructure that Scotland does not benefit from in any way.

    Scotland will be far better off as an Independent country and so will our people.

  45. Golfnut says:

    Boris is apparently going to love bomb Scotland, NI and Wales. Scotland has wrong kind of people running, making a mess and then blaming westminster.The union could be a great success of it wasn’t for the nationalists. The article is a bit of a joke from start to finish but as an example of the mind set of those tasked with saving the union, it’s pure gold.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-project-love-save-the-union/

    • P Harvey says:

      Project Love WAFJ
      Independence ASAP 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

    • Alex Clark says:

      Just unbelievable, the centerpiece of their plan is to put a great big Union Jack over infrastructure spend in Scotland so as we know that it’s the broad shoulders of the UK that pay for everything.

      “giving cash directly to local authorities for specific purposes under the banner of the Union Jack, rather than handing money to national parliaments and letting them take the credit”

      There won’t be a new “minister for the union” as proposed in the Dunlop report (there goes Davidson’s job in the cabinet) because Johnson will be taking that role for himself, what a great move LOL

      After their love bombing plans are put into place, we can expect…more of the same!

      Westminster’s personnel decisions make clear that Scotland is considered the most urgent cause. Scotland Secretary Jack has hired two more ex-journalists as media advisers — John Cooper and Tom Peterkin — to serve alongside his current one, Magnus Gardham. All three are veterans of the Scottish political-reporting circuit. The small Scotland office has more media aides than most Cabinet ministers, a sign of the emphasis Downing Street is placing on trying to control the narrative, and a tacit admission that it has failed to do so until now.

      “It’s about helping to tell a story about what the U.K. government is doing for people in Scotland,” a Whitehall official said. After years spent years sniffing out newspaper stories in the corridors of the Scottish parliament, Gardham, Cooper and Peterkin will be helping get the government’s message out to their former colleagues as pro-union spinners.

      Now I know for definite that the UK is Led By Donkeys. They’re onto hee haw if this is the best they can up with.

    • iusedtobeenglish says:

      As you can tell by my username, I’m not a native-born Scot, although I do have ‘devolved’ ancestry via Welsh forebears. I find that article *really* annoying. The words patronising and gits spring to mind.

      I’d ask them one question. If you genuinely want to “save the union”, aot “keep the colonies”, WHY DON’T YOU FIND OUT WHAT THE CURRENT DEVOLVED GOVTS WANT/NEED?” Of course, then they’d have to do it!

      Apologies for shouting. Said I was *really* annoyed…

      • Macart says:

        Heh! Points of origin and accidents of birth aren’t that important. 🙂

        Being a Scot is about where you choose to be, how you choose to live and about a state of mind.

        • iusedtobeenglish says:

          Good grief! Do you mean I’ve been a Belligerent Jock(ess) all my life and just didn’t know it?! (She says, proudly 😀 )

          Mind you, perhaps I should have realised sooner. When I was about 14, we were being taught about the Jacobite Uprisings (couldn’t call them rebellions even then). My History teacher – English, of course – looked at me as if I’d grown 2 extra heads just because I made a comment. Went a really funny shade of puce too.

          The comment? “Well, they (the Scots) did have a point, didn’t they?”

          • grizebard says:

            Thankfully there’s quite a few clear thinkers such as you still down there in England, however they see themselves. We’ll be good friends together, I think, once the dust has settled after the formal parting of the ways. (And some more of them might even find life more appealing up here then too…)

            • iusedtobeenglish says:

              Don’t suppose we could do a straight swap? Like minded England residents move up here, Yoons move south.

              Perhaps Cumbrian/Welsh farmers could be persuaded to take advantage of the scheme to repopulate the Islands? they’re just going to tank where they are…

  46. Hamish100 says:

    https://caltonjock.com/2021/04/15/anas-sarwar-i-will-never-define-my-politics-by-allegiance-to-the-scottish-flag/
    Thanks to WoS for this! Not often you will see me write that. Good reminder of the real Sarwar. Like father like son. Only interested in using the Labour Party for their own ends.

  47. Rab1942 says:

    Independence #6:

  48. Alex Clark says:

    Another utterly disgraceful interview. Disgusting, the media should be boycotted by the SNP.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-15/nicola-sturgeon-i-have-no-intentions-of-working-with-alex-salmond-in-scottish-independence-drive

    • Och, Alex, NS had a twinkle in her eye as this young Brit Nat zealot fired the usual guff questions at her, and shouted over her responses.

      They have nothing left….
      Sturgeon observed as the lad’s florid face threatened to explode on camera, he was clearly and unprofessionally angry during the exchange, like a wee brit Nat lad is wont, that in 3 weeks’ time, the ultimate arbiter, us, will give our verdict on her stewardship.

      That’s why he was ragin’. He knows that all is lost for his precious UK.

      He actually cut a pathetic figure bursting a gut to please his English bosses.

      Drug deaths, care home deaths, Scotland wouldn’t have been vaccinated if it weren’t a colony of England, the gazillion deficit Scotland will inherit if it leaves the protective arms of Boris Johnson…and so on.
      They are well and truly banjaxed.

      • Alex Clark says:

        How she can remain calm under such provocation is a measure of the inner strength of the FM. I couldn’t hack such questioning, I can barely hack watching it without feeling a simmering rage building up.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      There’s quite an advantage of having Alba, it means come Indy Ref 2, no YES supporter needs to feel obliged defending Salmond from the last Indy Ref – something Dr Jim highlighted if I’d been paying attention. Which is good – Indy Ref 1 got 44.7% YES, we can learn from the mistakes by openly admitting they were mistakes – no need to spare Salmond’s feelings.

      I didn’t really try to convince NO voters, I listgened, and what I heard was that many liked the idea of Indy but not the economics. There wasn’t really an economic plan. I remember working out there was an underlying support for Indy of over two-thirds. All we need to do is convert that to YES!

      Okey-doke, that’s me done the hard part, over to you …

    • Statgeek says:

      Listened to the first question, listened to the immediate interruption and the ‘facile argument’ comment, and his shoring up of his point of view, and clicked out.

      When the media repeat the propaganda mantras of the Tories and Brexiteers, you know there’s a problem.

      The media were always poo, but I don’t have to smell it any more, so choose not to. 🙂

      • grizebard says:

        Isn’t the velvet glove slipping off the exceptionalist iron fist becoming just a little obvious to more and more people, though, and thus becoming more and more counterproductive…?

        • Bob Lamont says:

          Correct but what shows more is utter frustration they can’t break through.
          Unlike the media hold over English opinion, that in Scotland has vanished but for the few, (though it is more difficult to nail down who is more distrusted, Scottish MSM or Opposition) they relied on the England principle of “repeat the lie often enough” – Whether “The Vow” or the “incontinent pigeons” or the propaganda bombardment during a public health emergency was the final strae for individuals doesn’t really matter, trust in the media is now subterranean.
          How can you sell the lie when the public denies you the slightest credibility – See Glenn Campbell..
          All the have left is threat

          • grizebard says:

            Yes, it would be rather ironic if a popular backlash doesn’t happen simply because all the offensive (pun deliberate) efforts of the media hyenas have already been largely discounted by most viewers/listeners/readers…

  49. Alex Clark says:

    Could you imagine Boris Johnson facing the same type of questioning and interrogation that Ciaran Jenkins of Ch 4 and Peter Smith of ITV attacked the First Minister with?

    No need to answer, neither can I.

  50. yesindyref2 says:

    Having been up as far as 58%, support for Independence, it went down to level pegging and just above that now, at 51%. There’s little doubt the “Salmond Inquiry” sent it down, and little doubt in my mind that the thought for most people of Salmond strutting his goose in Holyrood is more than most people can bear, so 51% is a great achievement with that negative influence mooning around.

    Support for Indy won’t go up till after the election, and Salmond being sent packing will help that happen. God help us all if he gets a seat, I might get my spousal Irish passport and emigrate to Ireland as Indy will be dead in the water till he’s deflated.

    Sorry to be so outspoken.

    Now, it’s sunny and I’m off to rake up some chauvinistic weeds for the brown recycle bin, so they can be turned into compost and become useful, instead of a pest.

  51. Alex Clark says:

    Hahaha Neil Oliver shows his true colours, Neil’s GB news is welcome to him LOL.

    “Andrew Neil’s GB News has announced that television presenter, archaeologist, author and journalist Neil Oliver is the latest addition to the team.

    Oliver, who is “hugely excited” for the move, claims debate in the UK has been “stifled for so long that GB News feels like opening a window and letting in some fresh air.”

    In a statement from the news channel, it was revealed that Oliver is to host a weekly current affairs and interview programme focusing on the people “from all walks of life who make Britain great.”

    https://archive.ph/asgVQ

    • grizebard says:

      I wonder how he’ll feel when the typical English devotee of the channel makes their opinion of the Scots known. As they inevitably will. If there’s anywhere likely to attract viewers of the “lose the subsidy junkies” opinion, it’s that one.

      How much deferential delusion does an Uncle Jock need to keep going?

    • James Mills says:

      I worry that the full-length mirrors that Neil Oliver will have strategically placed in the studio so that he can constantly view his Adonis looks may not allow space for any guests .

      But on the bright side – Oliver will be able to preen himself while appraising his favourite Scottish view – Neil Oliver !
      He may , with his NTS connections , receive a Grant from them to preserve this outstanding ‘view’ for the nation !

  52. Hamish100 says:

    I have to say it’s the first time I have used a postal vote. It’s sort of liberating when I see the electioneering going on and I know my families votes are in the bag for the snp. Salmond and Galloway may have been interesting 20 years ago but not know. Yesterday’s men out for a final box.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Well, I have 832 brothers and their wives and kids and grandkids and all their siblings, parents, kids and grandkids and aunties and uncles , and 965 sisters and their husbands and kids and grandkids, and so on, and the other siblings who have partners, and my 1,745 kids and their kids, and so on, who all received their postal votes and filled them in SNP 1 and SNP 2 and sent them back, plus everyone I’ve communicated with over the last 23 minutes and 30 seconds, so in total that’s 1,853,698 votes SNP 1 and SNP 2.

      Phew! Time for the rest of you to do your bit, unless you were one of the above 🙂

  53. Dr Jim says:

    I’m ba-ack and as soon as I catch up on all the exploits of the the lying Bastirts I’ll be ready to terminate them with wordy words and insulting comments, oh the joy

  54. Capella says:

    Alex Salmond will not debate with George Galloway says The National. https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1383141438171516935?s=20

    No “rumble in the heather” (Galloway) after all. Not that I would have been watching.

  55. Alex Montrose says:

    Sent in our postal votes yesterday, SNP 1 Green 2 here in the NE, to increase the Indy majority and keep yesterdays man out of Holyrood.

    • cuckooshoe says:

      Re voting Scottish Greens 2. Are the SNP guaranteed to win all the Constituency Seats in the NE region?

      • James Mills says:

        There are no GUARANTEES for ANY seat in this election – unless you can see into the minds of every constituent !
        Compare the results between 2011 and 2016 . NOTHING is GUARANTEED !

      • Alex Montrose says:

        If the SNP don’t win at least 8 of the constituency seats in the NE I’ll eat my hat, the Greens will be guaranteed to win none of the constituency seats giving them an advantage when it comes to calculating the list MSPs.

        • yesindyref2 says:

          From 2016: Greens 15,123 votes

          SNP 9 constituency seats so divisor 9+1 = 10, list votes 137,086 / 10 = nett 13,7086
          If SNP had got 8 constituency seats divisor 8+1 = 9, votes 137,086 / 9 = nett 15,232 – MORE than the Greens..

          Conservatives or Labour would then have had a higher divisor so both LESS than 15,000 on the list, so the SNP would have picked up the 7th regional seat, NOT Green.

          • yesindyref2 says:

            I meant “whichever not “both”, and it would have been the same if LibDems had won a constituency seat. Since nobody can predict the constituency seats with any certainty, anything is a gamble.

  56. Capella says:

    Some tweets about how the Union was foisted on Scotland by bribery and deceit. Turns out most of the money was in Treasury bills which could only be redeemed in London. https://twitter.com/FlikeNoir/status/1383327531718217731?s=20

  57. Capella says:

    Film (Scotland’s Story, 26 mins) dramatising the parcel of rogues selling Scotland for bribes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9uav5Je9Kg&t=4s

  58. Hamish100 says:

    Should be compulsory in schools. How sad that many of our forebears were lied too and their so called betters “bribed”. The enlightenment converted to a new dark ages. Hopefully we are seeing the light returning.

    • Capella says:

      You’re right about education. There are some real crackers in the btl comments. Still trotting out the standard British Nationalist tropes – too wee, too poor, too stupid, won two world wars, proud history, relatives in England etc etc.

      I think the SNP are suggesting that the teaching of British colonial history should be part of the curriculum. Not before time.

  59. Dr Jim says:

    Tory anti Independence mythology is always about how much money you have in your pocket because of the broad shoulders blah blah blah,( the threat of *FEAR*) but no matter how many times they’ve said that they’ve never produced it and the majority remain below the level of what should be human decency because they continually privatise things that you keep needing more and more money to pay for

    Independence really shouldn’t be about how much money you have but more about how much money you don’t need to have, because all the things that should matter to the dignity of life are made available through national contribution, like health, education, water, police, heating and food are considered essential to life and if a government does that job correctly then they remove the anxiety of poverty, what’s the point of looking like you have loads of cash but it’s never enough

    Long term society can’t keep existing where a government gives you £10 then increases the basic cost of living to £11 so for five minutes people thought they were doing OK then the cost increases again so the money in your pocket means nothing and the rich keep getting richer in a never ending spiral higher and higher because they keep privatising everything they can get their hands on yet telling the voters that’s freedom of choice so vote for me and next year we’ll give you another quid to catch up for another five minutes

    Tories Labour and Liberal Democrats don’t offer a right to life they offer the necessity to cling on by your fingernails because you don’t have a choice, these type of governments operate like big pharma, mo infection mo money, they’re selling us the right to life

    You’ve got no choice if you’ve got nothing to begin with and people do better and are happier when they’re not afraid of tomorrow

  60. Bob Lamont says:

    Was pleased to catch up on this https://youtu.be/psxjVL3Ryys this morning.

    Indy Truck Davy as ever very much to the point, but a few questions he answered I suspect caught international viewers by surprise, certainly to the extent of the propaganda Scots are subjected to 24/7. I noted quite a few English viewers completely shocked, that might wipe the smiles off Lady Smirk’s face along with the Wark on the wild-side, and the Lieman for the Country…

    Fair warning, it’s about 2 hours long, but the viewer reactions were the greater surprise, they didn’t quite realise North Britain had become North Korea, with South Korea directing..

  61. Hamish100 says:

    I see on other blogs the usual conspiracies over postal votes and you can’t turn up to a polling station. You can, take your completed ballot papers and hand it in! Must be in your constituency though.
    Alba getting their excuses in soon?

    • grizebard says:

      That reaction is as predictable as night follows day.

      “Prepare”{ahem} inadequately and at the very last minute, then afterwards claim you’ve been robbed.

      A wierd replay of the IR1 campaign under the same leadership. These people have learnt nothing, are doing the exact same thing while blissfully expecting a different result, but will get the same unsatisfactory outcome anyway then look for anyone to blame but themselves. Duh.

  62. Colin Alexander says:

    “Some people have emailed asking me for advice on tactical voting in specific regions. All I can really say is I don’t believe in tactical voting on the list. I’m advocating an Alba list vote because I think Alba are the best party, and that’s the way the list vote should be used”, says ScotGoesPop’s James Kelly on his blog 16 April 2021.

    For what it’s worth, I completely agree:

    Vote Alba on the Regional List.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      For what it’s worth

      😲 🤔 😕 😂🤣🙃 💩 😎

      • grizebard says:

        Or even look fleetingly at the {ahem} “advice” of the-operator-who-hides-behind-a-fake-name then do the exact opposite. (JK has trashed his own good advice and his former sound reputation along with it, so that’s no worthwhile recommendation either.)

      • Pogmothon says:

        From my youth a protest song from a rebelling generation with lyrics to speak to the youth generations of today’s Scotland.

        BTW I and many of my youths rebellious companions all discovered SNP at this time.
        Only to find a new admiration for our parents, when we discovered we belonged to whole families of rebels.
        Yup! we were trying to teach our grannies to suck eggs.

        • Bob Lamont says:

          Ooft, hadn’t seen that early studio footage before, some well kent but very young faces, how little they knew what their influence would be in a whole new era in music…
          Ta

    • jfngw says:

      ‘You just can’t, Colin’

    • Dr Jim says:

      Most people who email me don’t ask for advice, they just generally can’t believe the clown show that is the Salmond party and who are these people anyway

      I don’t get *some people* I get a lot of emails from a lot of people

  63. barpe says:

    “For what it’s worth, I completely agree….”

    I would suggest your opinion, Coco, is on the lower end of useless.
    Hurry back to wingsy.

  64. Hamish100 says:

    On BBC Radio 4 “Political Thinking with Nick Robinson” we had the ex SOSS Lib Dem Carmichael being gleefully set up to condemn the nationalists like Trump, Farage, Salmond and had a wee mention for Nicola Sturgeon.

    The term Scottish exceptionalism came from the mouth of a person who from memory in court had to admit the lies over the set up by his office (which also involved Mundell/ Telegraph / Cook of the BBC) against the current FM and the French Ambassador back in 2014.

    Since radio 4 broadcasts into Scotland I failed to hear any other opinion from the SNP or for that matter Alex Salmond / ALBA.
    Should there not be a right of reply to comply with broadcasting rules?

    Lib Dem’s and Carmichael who accept Brexit and brit colonialism. My disdain for such folk does not lessen over time.

    • Statgeek says:

      Most the BBCR4 listeners are dyed in the wool unionists anyway. Wouldn’t worry too much. Let them talk in their little bubble. Guessing Carmichael can’t talk in a room with an SNP politician nowadays without a few truths being highlighted.

  65. Alex Clark says:

    Totally O/T but this is a good article on the effectiveness of vaccines and how being vaccinated does not guarantee immunity from catching the virus as some may think.

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210417/The-shock-and-reality-of-catching-Covid-after-being-vaccinated.aspx

    • grizebard says:

      Thanks for that timely and salutary heads-up. Nevertheless, the hospital numbers that I’ve been tracking are steadily going down, both due to the vaccinations keeping most people from the worst outcomes but also crucially still due to the ongoing protective measures (which unlike the vaccines are infallible if followed diligently).

      Anyway, since mid-Feb., hospital cases are consistently halving every ~17 days. The SG isn’t currently producing daily updates at the weekends, it seems, but it looks like we’ll be under 100 after this weekend, and if this progress continues unabated despite the limited “opening up” that’s currently happening, we should be under 50 around 17 days after that, ie. about the time of the election.

    • iusedtobeenglish says:

      O/T
      Has anyone else noticed that the johnson has started saying that it isn’t the vaccine that’s reduced the numbers, it’s lockdown?

      Apparently, this means “we” (meaning England, of course) have still all got to be careful. And it will, naturally, be “our” fault when those injected with AZ aren’t immune to the SA, Indian and sundry other variants.

      *Absolutely NOTHING* to do with keeping the borders open and the planes flying…

      • grizebard says:

        Well, BoJo has been serially conflicted over everything to do with Covid from the very start. Whatever his “justifying” was yesterday, it could well be different tomorrow. (And not necessarily anything much to do with advances in scientific understanding, either).

      • ArtyHetty says:

        It’s really really not good news the new double variant from India. I’d wear masks outdoors at all times folks…we do but we do get weird looks!!! Shrug.
        Watch Dr. John Campbell in the link about this…worth a follow for latest research and news re Covid.

        • Capella says:

          Thx for this Artyhetty – it’s a really interesting delve into some of the facts behind the figures. Glad somebody is doing it! Will look out for his other videos.

          • ArtyHetty says:

            It is up to date stats for sure. His research into the benefits of VitD re Covid is very interesting, also which countries use the research to good effect! Also more serious though very rare side effects of the vaccine and possible correlation with how it is administered. Dr Campbell knows his stuff, it is a bit UK centric, but he has made the distinction between England and Scotland a couple of times. Still worth a follow and look at recent posts on his channel.

  66. Golfnut says:

    Recommend watching ‘ The Dark Reflections ‘ , aviation story ( true story ), played out in 2014. The film deals with the air filtration system taking toxins from the engine through the flight deck and passenger cabin. These are dangerous chemicals, causing cancer, the government and the aviation industry have known about this for 60 yrs. It was and is a massive cover up, profit before people. Why is this relevant, Trident.

  67. yesindyref2 says:

    Good grief.

    On BBC2 right now, started 11.35: “Elizabeth Taylor: England’s Other Elizabeth”.

    I can’t count just how many ways that is inappropriate, today of all days.

    • grizebard says:

      (Actually, the more the MSM associate “Elizabeth” with England in any context, the better, as far as I’m concerned. Every thoughtless “Queen of England” means more potential votes for indy.)

  68. Just think of the fun we’ll have renaming all the ‘|Queen Elizabeth’, ‘Royal Alexandra’, and ‘Victoria’ buildings , hospitals, schools, and museums come Independence.

    As I observed when the New Southern General was named the QEUH without our permission, if Tony Blair has lost the Iraq ‘war’, it might have been the Saddam Hussein Infirmary.
    Like the butcher’s apron flying everywhere, like the Third Reich swastika of the ’30s, the Windsor name is plastered on any new venture they choose.

    The Victoria and Albert in Dundee?
    Whit?

    I speak as a man whose mother sat in front of a B&W 14″ Telly watching the Trooping of the colours every year religiously.

    The whole business of kings and queens and their heirs is an abomination in the 21st century.
    As my old Da observed of Philip; He’s just a man, he puts his trousers on one leg at a time, just like the rest of us’.

    • iusedtobeenglish says:

      “Just think of the fun we’ll have renaming all the ‘|Queen Elizabeth’, ‘Royal Alexandra’, and ‘Victoria’ buildings , hospitals, schools, and museums come Independence.”

      Should we not maybe keep them? Like Buccluech St and Virginia St? With explanations as to our Colonial Past? *Extracts tongue from cheek*

      • iusedtobeenglish says:

        That’s Buccleuch, of course…

        • Couldn’t agree more, iusedtobeenglish.
          You may recall that Glasgow renamed St George Place, which once housed the S African Consulate Nelson Mandela Place in 1986,and I recall that some wag replaced the street sign in Falkland Street Hyndland ,renaming it Malvinas Street during Maggie’s ‘Gotcha’ colonial skirmish with Argentina.

          In November during Cop 26 Johnson wants Glasgow covered in butcher’s apron flags, like one of his heroes did in Nuremberg with Nazi Flegs.
          I anticipate a boom in sales of plastic bottles of turpentine and cans of lighter fuel if they even try.

          The parallels with Hitler’s Third Reich have become even more sinister and frightening (if we let them) over the first 4 months of England ‘taking back control’.
          It is clear that they are about to close down the devolved parliaments by force.
          Now is the time to rebadge Scotland.
          Jamaica Street? Can there be a more damning indictment of the bloody Empire?

          Popped in to Marr for five minutes this morning to be insulted by this odious Uncle Tam. He rasped that I was ‘wrong’ not to mourn with the rest of the ‘nation’.
          What an arse licking little Royalist Brit Nat this man is.
          Roll on May.

    • ArtyHetty says:

      I was pleased when the museum in Edinburgh was renamed the National Museum of Scotland, ditching the ‘royal’ in the name, I think after Labour were given their marching orders out of Holyrood, they do seem to hang around like a bad smell though.

  69. malkymcblain says:

    Another pearler from Jamie Jauncy watch.

  70. malkymcblain says:

    Sorry just noticed that Jamie Jauncey video was already posted up thread by Rab 1942..no harm in watching it again though.

  71. malkymcblain says:

    Interesting

  72. malkymcblain says:

    I’m having a George Monbiot kind of day here at the antipode.

    • Capella says:

      Great start to my Sunday here. Three good videos before breakfast, sun is shining and going to fill in my voting form later today. Both votes SNP for me.

      • SNP 1 and 2, Capella.
        The notion that Salmond would be the game changer grows more and more farcical at each passing day.
        He gets a headline today by apparently declaring that an Independent Scotland should adopt its own currency.

        It’s time for nurse to nudge this doddering old fella awake.
        MacAskill a WM SNP MP suddenly announces that SNP MPs are not ready for Independence…
        This is the Party whom we are expected to vote as back up for the SNP Administration.
        I don’t think so.

        malkymcblain. Great videos, you old Aborigine.

  73. gullaneno4 says:

    Re Philip’s funeral.
    I don’t know who thought that watching the Horse Guards march in full riding gear was a good idea.
    It looked like something out of Monty Python.

  74. Clydebuilt says:

    O/T. Bbc Radio Broadcast at Scotland 9am news . . . Headline

    “In a BBC interview Nicola Sturgeon has acknowledged it was a mistake to transfer Patients from Hospitals into care homes. Previously Jeane Freeman has admitted this was a mistake? ”

    What BBC interview are they referring to? One that took place, and was broadcast several days ago?
    On Thursday the day of the manifesto launch the FM gave several interviews where she said it had been a mistake to transfer patients from hospitals to care homes. Is this what has been turned into a headline days later?

  75. Alex Montrose says:

    In 2016 If half of the list votes for the SNP had gone to the Greens, the Green Party would have picked up 3 list seats, taking the final NE result from 9 – 8 pro Indy to a healthy 12 – 5 pro Indy result.

    • Clydebuilt says:

      Lorna Slater “This is not a manifesto for Independence”

      BBC Radio Scotland interview with Gavin Essler 10.26am Today.

      • And Geissler gave Sarwar a ‘johey’ tough interview, but omitted the obvious question;
        ‘If Scotland votes for pro Independence Parties in May, would you still declare that there is no mandate to call for Indyref 2?’
        Instead, Geissler, by his own admission during a fluff question on racial discrimination in Scotland being as bad as England, declared himself a ‘middle aged white person’, he tried to kick the Indyref2 can further down the pothole riven old Yoon road into the next SGE in 2026, by asking the author of the now coined ‘Sarwarism’, would he still oppose Indyref2.

        Everybody loves a trier, Geissler.
        As a political journalist, what gives Martin the notion that the question of Independence doesn’t engross the Here and Now of Scottish politics?
        Earlier in a derisorily brief interview with the Greens co leader, Geissler asked why Green Unionists should vote Green if the party backed Indyref2?
        A valid question, which Lorna Slater answered in the Esler interview.
        ‘This is not a manifesto for Independence’.

        Sarwar blamed Nicola Sturgeon for Scottish suicides…
        He blamed the Chooka Embra’s lack of decorum by dying just as his party was about to launch its manifesto, then that Bad SNP for a Covid briefing next Tuesday…
        He is going to create 170,000 jobs you know….

        And Geissler gave the Herald a free advert highlighting the quite nonsensical clickbate Front Page lying that Johnson would call a snap Indyref2 plebiscite, and dictate the date, and the question.
        Are these people just simply insane, or do they realise that the Union is finished and that gives them free rein to spout any nonsense they like in print and on air, like Hitler’s entourage getting pissed in the bunker when their leader has blown his brains out?

        At least we are getting a laugh.

        • ‘jokey’, not ‘johey’. My arthritic fingers…

        • grizebard says:

          Oh, so BoJo is U-flipping from “just saying no” to having his very own show?

          I don’t know who now looks more foolish, all those dummies who kept claiming that an S.30 was never going to happen, or the blundering chief dummy of Downing Street and his faithful servants in the state broadcaster…

  76. Alex Clark says:

    Neil Findlay to start a campaign this week to put “devo max” on the ballot paper for an Independence referendum.

    The “Red Paper Collective” of activists, politicians and trade unionists will argue that voters should be able to opt for further devolution instead of having a straight choice on independence or remaining in the Union.

    https://archive.ph/b2JvM

    • grizebard says:

      Oh, the weary Labourite wanglers just can’t help returning to their dusty old ploys, this “poison pill” manoevre now being revisited for the nth time. (No specified legally-enforceable definition of “devo max” to be supplied, naturally.) Does he also want a quota, perhaps, or is that a joy yet to come…?

    • Hamish100 says:

      So if we have status quo, devo max (again) and then Independence what If the result

      Is 35% SQ, 23% DM, 40% independence. Winner takes all?

      • Alex Clark says:

        A good guess Hamish, also from that Times article.

        A Panelbase poll for The Sunday Times this year indicated that 71 per cent of voters in Scotland favoured a straight yes/no question, with 20 per cent backing a three-way question.

        When don’t knows were excluded it found that faced with a choice, 44 per cent would back independence and 34 per cent favoured keeping things as they are. Just 17 per cent wanted “significant devolution of all financial matters to the Scottish Parliament while defence and foreign policy remain reserved UK issues” — the “devo max” position.

        • Hamish100 says:

          Alex, thanks for that. Devolution max/ the Vow / federalism/ Home rule are as always are a diversion. My %’s were a guesstimate. I wonder what the bookies odds are re this election?

          True power and Independence in my view can be measured in certain ways.

          Can this country be forced to go to war against our will? For example Iraq.
          Can we be forced to harbour nuclear weapons on our shores against our will?

          If the answer is Yes to either one we do not have Independence.
          If in the EU or EFTA the answers would be No.

          This exemplifies the lies of labour over nuclear weapons and the Lib Dem’s even over Brexit. Federalism would not prevent us being torn out of the EU.

        • grizebard says:

          The 20% backing a three-way question are the diehards who don’t want independence, full-stop. “Just say no” having failed, this is merely their latest defence line in their long retreat. I don’t believe there’s anyone now who sincerely believes in “devo-max” (whatever that actually is) except maybe poor old Henry. Yet all the Unionists had to do in the aftermath of IR1 was deliver what they had promised, and we – and they – wouldn’t all be where we are now.

        • grizebard says:

          (continued)

          In the meantime, we’ve all moved on. Brexit, whatever you thought/think about it, irrefutably proved that with any kind of “devo max” we are always going to be vulnerable to arbitrary unwanted inter-ference over reserved matters. Unless we had a veto over everything reserved, which London would never accept.

    • ‘trade unionists’? There is no such group. Neil Findlay attributes every trade union member with wanting further devolution rather than Independence.
      The man has quit Holyrood and now is to re-engineer himself as a ‘lobbyist’.
      I seem to recall that he was made Obesity Czar for Labour, tasked with slimming down the Scots nation.
      That went well.
      Spare us these hangers on come independence.

  77. cadogan2 says:

    Get well soon – I may not agree with you on some issues but never doubt that you are pro-independence hero.
    I have little doubt that the performance of the SNP and its governance may substantially improve if we get a raft of Alba seats on the list.
    Just made a small donation – most of my spare money this month went to the SNP and Alba election campaigns

    • grizebard says:

      I have little doubt that as you say, the strategy of the Albanistas is to be the little tail wagging the big dog. Not actually trying to do the only thing that would positively help, namely to win votes from the opposition – oh, no, that would be an effort too far.

      If they actually have any effect – which given their shockingly amateur late-show-up performance is doubtful – it’s only likely to endanger a majority for indy. In which case you will have wasted at least some of your hard-earned money.

  78. P Harvey says:

    Cadogan2

    You say

    I have little doubt that the performance of the SNP and its governance may substantially improve if we get a raft of Alba seats on the list.

    I, on the other hand seriously know that Alba and governance should not appear in the same sentence

  79. Golfnut says:

    I see we are on the old trope SNP baad for transferring patients from hospital to nursing homes. It was, it was also a mistake committed by just about every country in the world, it was a mistake prompted by medical advice and clinical need to ensure that there were enough beds available to meet the expected influx of covid patients, it was a mistake urged by the liblabtory party in Scotland and carried out by the labtory gov’s in RUK, it was a mistake to underestimate the stupidity and greed of the private sector nursing homes where most of them were sent to, it was a mistake to think they follow the SG explicit guidelines on service provision, it was a mistake to believe they would ‘by transfer staff between nursing homes( the real reason the death rate was so, confirmed by four separate research data compiled by universities in the UK.
    As far as the SG performing better, what bollocks. Compared to who or what.

    • jfngw says:

      Now the BBC has come out of official mourning, I found it hard no to laugh at the display of mock mourning black all week on the BBC News (if you could have wound the clock back 100 years then there would have been no discernable difference in the BBC output), the gloves will be off.

      ‘We only have 18 days to save the union’, will be the editorial directive (I think that’s a misquote from Flash Gordon, the 1980 camped up version, maybe Ming the Merciless wanted a federal solution).

    • Clydebuilt says:

      Compared to England,

      1. Scotland has had less deaths due to Covid per head of population.
      2. Scotland has had less deaths per service user in care homes

      Source Talkingupscotlandtwo, prof. J. Robertson

  80. jfngw says:

    Quote from Alba Party twitter ‘We’re not here to take MSPs away from the SNP. That’s not our aim. We’re here to take MSPs away from the unionists in Scotland to show that there is a need & a desire for independence’.

    They are standing candidates in regions that have SNP list MSP’s and the likelihood is the first seats to change hands will be from either the SNP or Greens in these regions, if Alba vote is sufficient (where else are they going to be getting their vote from except SNP & Green voters).

    Nothing like a bit of lying to start of a political party. But I suppose it is not criminal, I’ll try and be a better man when reading their stuff in future.

    • iusedtobeenglish says:

      Don’t you remember the Brexit ref?
      People *expect* lies.
      Apparently…

    • The Alba party was flung together in the desperate hope of getting Salmond a golden ticket at Holyrood, nothing else.
      The stupendous cheek of selling the notion of a ‘supermajority’ is just laughable.
      Salmond’s Hole in the Wall Gang spend their time slagging off the SNP and Greens…
      It’s all about Salmond and his bloated ego.

      • jfngw says:

        Which one’s ‘Butch’ and which one’s ‘Sundance’? Are they in Bolivia yet?

        • grizebard says:

          Yes, it does seem to be going to end (metaphorically) rather like that! I only hope that in the denouement, no collateral damage is caused to innocent bystanders.

      • Terence Callachan says:

        Oh dear jack , now you are always the first in line holier than thou telling people wgd doesnt want you slagging off other independence supporting sites and here you are doing what you tell others not to do tut tut
        ALBA are contesting LIST seats only , i understand your dislike of Alex Salmond but you are lying to yourself by saying that a scottish independence supporting party contesting LIST only is not the best way to reduce the cannon fodder that the britnats cram into Holyrood via LIST seats.
        You are the one that is laughable Jack , all your good work and it is good , supporting Scottish independence , but the red haze has muddled your logic which in turn has crazed your posts and opinions here.
        If only you could speak the truth.
        Just say it.
        ALBA and SNP getting lots of seats is the best chance of us getting Scottish independence that we have ever had but you hate Alex Salmond so much you would rather see him fail even if it means the ALBA party fail and the best chance ever of getting Scottish independence will be lost.
        Thats your stance , i understand it , we may still get enough seats even if ALBA dont get a lot but the chances we dont is increased a lot if ALBA fail.

        We will see.
        Im still supporting ALBA still telling people why , explaining the dhondt voting system and the pitfalls of both votes SNP.

        I will come back here after the election to talk again to you and if your choice turns out to be the right choice with no ALBA seats and a majority made up of SNP and greens perhaps even an SNP majority without the greens , i will congratulate you and own up to misjudgement but i really dont see that happening and i dont think you see that happening either.
        There is no way at all not a chance that SNP will get an outright majority on their own .
        Will the get a majority with the help of the greens ? Possible very possible.

        • I am afraid that I am holier than no one, Terence.
          Alec Salmond is a sad old man now.
          I do not hate him; He is an elderly man who, like me, has no place in taking Scotland forward, other than to reap the limitless advantages off spending our last years in a Free country.
          He is an old fly man, like Galloway, desperate for his last days in an imaginary spotlight.

          He has spent the past seven years ‘carving out a new career’ for himself, as you or one of his Besties described it, while NS and the SNP Party have has the small matter of governing the country to deal with, and Brexit, and Covid, and the merciless assault from the Jock Brit MSM, oh and the Salmond Sex Pest Case fall out.

          He deserves none of our attention, as does his Hole in the Wall gang.
          I am honoured that I can be a conduit for you to tell our readers what a silly boy I am not falling at the feet of your great leader and getting the Alba message across, for the hundredth time on this site.

          In my world people earn respect…7 weeks before an election is leaving it a bit late….

          • grizebard says:

            It’s just 18 days to go now, and somehow the respect ain’t growing. (They’re evidently using the wrong kind of fertiliser on their magic bean.) Not surprising really though for a party whose star-struck adherents can only tell me to go peruse their theoretical calculations and “just believe” their number magic. And their clay-footed Messiah.

            Personally, I prefer to save my votes for a party that has actually done rather a lot for me and many others besides (the whole of Scotland, more or less). That’s real respect, fairly earned.

    • grizebard says:

      If that person is sincere in their aim, they are seriously deluded. It’s the same corrosive fallacy they peddle at every turn. You can’t “take away MSPs from the Unionists” unless you take votes from them. Taking votes from the SNP doesn’t cut the mustard, it actually undermines the latter, which is able to take votes from the real opposition.

  81. Macart says:

    Devo max is a nonsense. Much like Federalism really.

    Both are an unattainable pipedream in reality and mainly because they are completely incompatible with the Westminster party political system. I’d also be particularly wary/sceptical of both the intent and the intelligence of those proposing such a gambit given the veritable mountain of evidence which suggests just how undeliverable both have proven to be historically.

    Case in point. If this onion (not a spelling error) is truly an onion of equals. Why don’t they exist already?

    Answers on a postcard etc…. 😎

    • Macart says:

      Dang it! Intended as a reply to Alex’s earlier post. 🙄

    • grizebard says:

      “Devo max” is nonsense, whereas federalism is factorial{nonsense} [or some other such function].

      Not that it makes any difference, since func{diddlysquit} is still diddlysquit.

  82. Alex Clark says:

    Scot goes Pop has gone through the looking glass in order for to justify support for the Alba Party in this election. Instead of using actual data, he now makes up his own and presents it as “analysis”.

    Deary deary me.

    • Terence Callachan says:

      Deary deary me Alex if only you knew what you were talking about.
      But you dont do you

      • grizebard says:

        Politeness mandates that I simply suggest waiting until 07.May to see, in the cold light of day, who exactly knows what. But do have your excuses ready, won’t you? We promise not to mock. (Well, not too much. But try to be inventive. We’ll give marks for the various efforts that surface.)

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Here’s another conceptual resujlt for him to consider:

      Result C:

      SNP: 16 seats (9 constituency, 7 list)
      Conservatives: 0 seats (0 constituency, 0 list)
      Labour: 0 seats (0 constituency, 0 list)
      Liberal Democrats: 0 seat (0 constituency, 0 list)
      Alba: 0 seats (0 constituency, 0 list)

      Pro-independence parties: 16 seats
      Anti-independence parties: 0 seats

      Vote SNP 1 and 2!

      • grizebard says:

        Oh, that one definitely wins the conceptual stakes for me. So it must be true. It’s quantum mechanics – collapsing of wave equations, or somesuch. I might not even need to vote, it’s already in the bag. (Innit?)

  83. Dr Jim says:

    I found some folk on twitter who think Anas Sarwar is the leader of the Labour party in Scotland
    It’s 2021 and folk are still falling for this Unionist nonsense of there being separate parties in Scotland from England

    That would be like saying SNP MPs in England are a separate party from MSPs in Scotland and Nicola Sturgeon isn’t the leader

    If Sir Kier Starmer says bend down Anas I want to pee down your neck, Anas will bend down and smile dutifully while he does it

    • jfngw says:

      We should always remember:

      Anas Sarwar is SIR Keir Starmer’s Scottish functionary
      D.Ross is Boris Johnson’s Scottish functionary
      Willie Rennie is (who is the LibDem leader he is more invisible than Rennie) and this stretching the word to the limits, the Scottish LibDem functionary (perfunctory would probably fit him better).

      The only true Scottish party leaders at Holyrood are from the SNP and the Greens, the rest as I say are mere functionaries for a party based in another country.

  84. Hamish100 says:

    I wish you chose a different visual.

  85. Hamish100 says:

    Scot goes pop. “How the Alba Party are running a self-sacrificing campaign in the best interests of the independence cause”
    Who says comedy is dead!

    The wee self sacrificing Alba party whose plan is not to persuade voters from labour, Lib Dem’s to vote pro Indy but to take from the snp, greens.
    Self sacrificing the wee souls. Pity for them is it ain’t working. We await their excuses.

  86. Terence Callachan says:

    There is no argument really with these conclusions

    https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2021/04/how-alba-party-are-running-self.html

    • yesindyref2 says:

      There are 8 regions in Scotland for the Holyrood election.

      None of them is called “hypothetical”. You can’t argue with figments of the imagination.

    • grizebard says:

      Only if you have a closed mind, Terence, and a tendency to confuse wishes with political reality. A previous error from which one might expect everyone would have learnt something by now. (But apparently not everyone.)

      Oh, and here’s a gentle hint: we think JK@SGP has totally lost his marbles over this, so quoting him as your “authority” may mildly amuse us, but other than that it’s just not going to work.

      • yesindyref2 says:

        James Kelly himself has said in the past, that if the regional vote for the SNP was high enough they could win all the regional seats even if they won all the constituences.

        For instance region “hypothetical” SNP 9 constituency seats, so starting divisor 10.

        Regional votes
        SNP 80%
        Cpn 4%
        Lab 4%
        Lib 4%
        Grn 4%
        Other 4%

        SNP 80 / 10 = 8% win seat 1
        SNP 80 / 11 = 7.3% win seat 1
        SNP 80 / 12 = 6.6% win seat 1
        SNP 80 / 13 = 6.1% win seat 1
        SNP 80 / 14 = 5.7% win seat 1
        SNP 80 / 15 = 5.3% win seat 1
        SNP 80 / 16 = 5% win seat 7

        All the other parties lose because they only have 4%.

        It’s not rocket science to run even a “concept” with illustrative percentages.

        • yesindyref2 says:

          Ah well seats 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 uoui know what I meanszs

        • grizebard says:

          I have said myself in the past that the “supermajority” notion is fundamentally defensive, flotsam from a past phase – another manifestation of the cringe, actually – and if people instead got on the front foot, the SNP could obtain list MSPs on top of constituency ones and seal the deal. As Prof Poultice himself once correctly said, once you can garner more than 50% of the votes, there’s no electoral scheme in the world that can beat you.

          That’s what we should be doing right now, garnering more votes in the one place. Unlike our opponents (of all sorts).

    • Dr Jim says:

      James Kelly never used to say things like *let’s assume* when talking about numbers, come to think about it nobody who deals in numbers or absolutes says things like *let’s assume*

      How about *let’s not assume* and stick to the facts as he always said before he decided to reject his own advice

  87. Colin Alexander says:

    The voting system for the Scottish Parliament election explained:

    Vote for Scotland:

    Vote for Alba in the Regional list x

    vote SNP in the constituency x

    • Statgeek says:

      This was a PPB from the Alba Party.

      Your vote is your own. Vote as you see fit, and beware all political parties making claims.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      The voting system for the Scottish Parliament election

      The voting system for the Scottish Parliament election turned into Alba propaganda which is endorsed by Wormtongue, and that will show you how unrelaistic it is and effectively biassed against Independence.

    • grizebard says:

      Nota Bene: Dear reader, this is the recommendation of a known long-term devious anti-indy operator (if you haven’t already encountered any of the many webs he has tried to spin over the years) so this promo alone should be enough to convince you it’s a Very Bad Idea and to do the very opposite, Don’t waste your vote on a last-minute dog-and-pony show whose only serious policy is to parasitise off the SNP and Greens, and which will achieve nothing. Don’t waste your vote, as this election really matters.

      Oh, and if you haven’t registered to vote already, DO IT online NOW.

    • Dr Jim says:

      If I thought for one Nano second that any of this was genuine I’d vote for it, but I know Alex Salmond is a liar and a fraud who lost my party a referendum in 2014 either through incompetence or design then got caught misbehaving around women and got lucky in getting away with it, so why in the hell would anybody vote for this again, he can’t be trusted

  88. Golfnut says:

    From 1951 to 1960 conservative governments were in power during the nuclear tests at Christmas island, 4 atomic bombs were detonated. Many serviceman were exposed to radiation poisoning.
    Labour isn’t innocent in this matter, complicit in denying justice to the serviceman and their families who suffered enormously because of the callous disregard by successive UK gov.

    https://pacificnukes.wordpress.com/uk-vets/

    Interesting article, remember these same people parked these abominations next to our largest city.
    SNP 1&2.

    • Golfnut, just imagine how much the West Coast of Scotland will open up when we drive these WMD’s from our shores.

      Sarwar Rennie and Ross are mere puppets aping the behaviours and set messages of their London masters.
      We are not their colony, we are Scotland.
      18 days and counting.

  89. Golfnut says:

    Bbc news headlines new Indian variant found in England and Scotland. The report was, of course, all about England and no further mention of Scotland. Curious, I searched for news, only one headline.

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/covid-scotland-live-national-lockdown-20407120.amp

    Only the headline mentions the new variant, absolutely no mention in the article.
    Has anyone heard of the variant has indeed been reported in Scotland.

  90. Colin Alexander says:

    The deadline to register to vote is Monday 19 April 2021.
    Make sure you are registered to vote. ( Too late to register for a postal vote).

    Vote Alba on the Regional List if you support independence.

  91. yesindyref2 says:

    As a reminder, in Dec 2020 sitting MSP Kenneth Gibson was selected as the SNP candidate for Cunninghame North ahead of candidates Osama Bhutta and Corri Wilson (who has since joined Alba). Patricia Gibson was selected as North Ayrshire and Arran SNP candidate in 2015 ahead of Malcolm Kerr, who made allegations of bullying in 2020 against her husband, Kenneth Gibson. Just to provide some context.

    https://www.ardrossanherald.com/news/18793045.kenneth-gibson-centre-furore-two-resign-rival-suspends-campaign/ Skip survey worked for me!

    I was a member for 3 years from 2014 to 2017, voted for Patricia, and would have for Kenneth if still a member.

  92. ALASTAIR says:

    We have just sent postal vote. Off to do some leafleting
    Both of us SNP 1 & 2

  93. Dr Jim says:

    I decided to listen to “Call Kaye” for half an hour and I’m left once again stunned by the attitude of the callers who either understand nothing of history or have no memory or are just deliberate Unionist trolls beating out their loyalist policy of working their little cotton socks of trying to remain serfs of England

    Still to this day in the year of 2021 there are people in Scotland who believe Tory Labour and Liberal Democrat political parties in Scotland are actually here to represent Scotland, because they’re not, these parties are here in Scotland to represent the authority of England’s dominance and control of the Union and they cannot, no matter what they say make any decisions on anything without permission of their parent party in England, because they’re just not allowed to do that!

    When the three Unionist parties unveil their manifesto promises not one of these parties actually have to implement one word of what they say for two reasons, 1 they will never be in government in Scotland, and 2 even if they were their parent party in England has the authority to override or change every word they say

    Folk considering voting for political parties should not look at anything these three Unionist parties say in their manifestos instead they should look at their behaviour in Westminster because that’s who’s in charge and what you will end up with if you vote for any one of them

    As for the SNPs manifesto promises these should be looked upon as targets they would like to fulfill and not as absolutes to be criticised if they don’t manage all of them because remember the three Unionist parties job in our parliament in Holyrood is to stop the SNP doing just that, that’s why they almost always vote against the policies the SNP attempt to progress because their parent parties in England don’t support them and want to have something to criticise when the SNP can’t manage to complete their promises

    “I’m voting Labour” they say because “they’re the party of devolution” well sorry folks but they’re not and never were, that’s a well formed lying distortion of the truth as to why we have devolution, the only reason Scotland ever got devolution was because the then forming EU insisted that England become a democracy by devolving authority to the other “Countries” of the UK before they could be allowed to sign up to being members of the EU which was and is a democratic organisation, the Labour party only saw this as a win for them because they already controlled Scotland voter wise and jumped for joy because they believed their power base could be cemented for all time which turned out to be a mistake as we know, and that’s why the Labour party to this day hate the SNP a damn sight more than they hate the Tories who in fact by their actions cemented Labour’s place in Scotland because the Tories were even worse than Labour and Scotland’s voters finally sussed that and voted them out

    If you really want to vote for a Scottish political party there are only two of those because the other three just aren’t, they represent staying exactly as we are, controlled by England, does anyone really seriously believe that Scotland left to any of these Union parties would have ever introduced free prescriptions, free University education or the whole panoply of stuff the SNP have over the last few years, of course they wouldn’t, Scotland would have the same policies as England and Labour Tory and Liberal Democrats would be standing here today defending their reasons for not being different to England that’s why they don’t for the most vote with anything the SNP propose because the more the SNP succeeds in the worse it gets for the Unionist parties to try to reverse and demonstrates clearly that the gulf between England and Scotland is massive once Scots get the chance to see the difference

    What Scots who aren’t sure of how to vote must ask themselves is, who do you want running stuff in Scotland, because it wouldn’t be Anas Sarwar, it would be Sir Kier Starmer, not Douglas Ross, because that would be Boris Johnson, and it’s not Willie Rennie, that would be a guy called Ed Davey, heard of him have you? probably not, but that’s what you’re voting for, branch offices of England’s three main political parties, if you don’t believe me look up former leader of Labour in Scotland Johaan Lamont who clearly stated that Labour in Scotland are a branch office of the main UK party, and remember nothing these parties have to say do they have to do or even try to do because none of it is their decision

    So the three Union parties could offer you free chocolate biscuits for life a trip to the Moon and total disarmament of Nuclear weapons by next Tuesday afternoon and they don’t have to do any of it, and they know it

    Whereas the SNP has by law to attempt to accomplish everything they say despite the opposition of the three Union parties out to try and stop them
    So when the SNP don’t hit the target on everything remember who it is who doesn’t want them to, they’re the guys NOT to vote for

    Use your noggins voters

  94. Macart says:

    A question. Is the YES movement inclusive? That is to say, do we all accept that we’re all different and have different opinions based on our lives and experiences? Y’know, like a population. Different skin colours, cultural origins and religious beliefs, social strata, educational achievement/abilities, preference of life partner etc.

    Just curious like, but the last time I checked ‘all of us together’ didn’t draw any distinctions. It didn’t state ‘my form of self government is bestest no one else need apply’. It didn’t define ‘my route to independence, or the game’s a bogey’ either. Simple premise:- You’re either a population, or you’re not.

    Some folk apparently find it hard to take this on board. They seem bound and determined to dominate a conversation intended for all. It’s a big interwebs. It’s a big world for that matter. There are forums to match every taste and shade. Every nuance of a debate. Every ability. Every character from yer ackchul political activist to the philosophically interested or merely approving.

    All we need do is agree on one thing at the end of the day.

    Winding each other up because ‘I hate… fill in as appropriate’ only helps one ideology. Pretty much the one that dropped us in our current predicament.

    Probably worth a thought.

    • Capella says:

      It certainly is – so worth discussing that it would make a brilliant starting question for a new thread 🙂

      I think the YES movement is essentially inclusive and will be again when a campaign proper starts. We are all after the same thing. However, the long Covid lockdown has caused a great deal of frustration, aided by dark forces determined to stir division, amplified by idiots who take the bait and oblige.

      Keep calm and carry on is my approach, steering clear of as many bear traps as possible – oh, and SNP 1 & 2.

      • Macart says:

        Our greatest danger Capella (it’s a theory) is that each camp takes the others vote or dedication to self government for granted. That they ignore simple human nature.

        People don’t tend to take kindly to feeling insulted or marginalised. When they feel fearful, threatened, angered, uncertain, frustrated, (any negative emotion really). They either kick back or retreat from the source of their discomfort (fight or flight). In this case..? Political engagement. Even social engagement. That vote. That commitment to each other may fail when it’s needed most. Tbf, that’s kinda what some folk would hope for. 🙄

        For myself. Well. I’ve always been comfortable with varied approaches, tactics and opinions toward self government. Mind you, I’ve always been into the gradualist approach. Winning folk over with reason, a kind word here, a helping hand there…. 🙂

        Bottom line is folk aren’t all cast from the same mould. Some have forgotten that reality and some would exploit it.

    • Valkyrie says:

      “Is the YES movement inclusive?”
      Honestly wish I could say “yes” to that question more confidently than I can nowadays. If you’d asked me that back before the 2014 referendum, I’d have said “yeah, mostly”.

      Got my doubts if it really is nowadays.
      Some folks are more obvious about it than others, such as Stu “if Indy means LGBT+ people are more accepted, then I’ll do my best to ruin it” Campbell.

      Seems to be a fact of the modern world that people have become a lot less willing to compromise on issues where their own personal prejudices get in the way.
      (I have a long-suffering friend in America who keeps me updated on things over there who’s practically living proof of this).

    • Sam, as per, you hit the nail on the head.

      All Under One Banner does what it says on the tin. The banner reads Independence, Self Governance.

      Not Federalism, not a ‘union’ of unequal states.

      Scotland is a nation, now, the ‘normal’ position for all countries in the 21st Century.

      Matthew 25:40

      “And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

      There can be little argument that the glue which binds us together includes freedom for ‘the least of my brothers (sic), the poor, the sick, the psychologically damaged, the frail, the elderly, the lonely, the victims of greed capitalism and corruption.

      It is an affront to God that there are Scots citizens in this extraordinarily resource wealthy country of ours living in penury, in state engineered poverty, the victims of political systems and a class hierarchy designed to benefit an elite few, in a social system which rewards and ensures survival in perpetuity throughout the generations, a professional class, and moneyed class, a land owning ‘noble’ class, headed by an unelected monarchy, and tacitly supported by the clergy, backed up by Law Lords, Armed Forces, and a Civil Service whose mandarins and guardians are drawn from the same public school and Oxbridge bastions of England’s Oligarchy.

      Yet AUOB includes members of the professional class, devout followers of religion, many from a broad range of political beliefs, from capitalist free marketeers, to rabid Marxists who would pay a heart surgeon the same wage as a taxi driver.

      The LCD, the lowest common denominator (that takes me back to Primary VI) is the movement dedicated to the return of a Scottish Government, made up of members drawn from the people of Scotland, elected by the people of Scotland, accountable to the people of Scotland, in a free nation in the global family of democratic nations.

      We have 3 sets of Unionist Leaders Up Here who are attempting to offer the electorate three distinct options to govern Scotland. Left, Right, and Willie Rennie.

      Notwithstanding the falsehood that they brand themselves as ‘Scottish’, which they clearly are not, since their UK parties are registered and based in, and funded by, English based organisations, they tacitly gather All Under One English Banner.
      Better Together.

      Sarwar does what Starmer orders him to do. Boris Johnson, womaniser, racist, Greed is Good corrupt liar has Ross’ back, and Willie Rennie ploughs a lone furrow, ignored by Carmichael, Davey, and the rest of the Free World.

      The choices are stark.
      Independence or another 300 years of being crushed underfoot.

      We are Capitalists, Socialists, Christians Muslims Jews Nihilists Atheists rich poor Just Getting By landowners owner occupiers renters some even support Clydebank Football Club.

      We are a vast rich soup of diversity, the diversity being our strength, not the weakness exploited by ego driven bloggers who exist merely to feed their own egos.

      We’ve had enough of GRA Hate Crime Bill SNP a cult drivel from the sad fringe.

      “And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

      There is broad consensus that we strive for a socially just prosperous Scotland, and that this cannot be achieved while we are welded to England.

      Let’s begin by closing every food bank in the first year of Independence.

      Our hungry children are among ‘the least of these’.

      When Rennie Sarwar and Ross campaign to continue with the present Brit system, it is they who are doing it to the least of these, and by association, are doing it to me, and their fellow Scots.

      Labour Toty and Lib Demm are standing on a single issue Better Together Paltform.
      They demand that we Scots continue to be oppressed and ruled over by their London Imperial Masters.

      All Under One Iron Heel.

  95. Petra says:

    He doesn’t want another referendum, so that’s that then. Forget it 😀.

    ‘What happens if that’s what happens?’ Colin Mackay valiantly attempts to figure out Douglas Ross’s political world – where you might get what you vote for but it doesn’t matter because you voted 7 years ago.” https://mobile.twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1382610386906710016

    ……………………………………

    ”Value of Scotland’s oil surging again.”

    ..”I was reminded of the above report in the FT, just over two weeks ago, warning us several times that the fall in oil prices was a major factor in weakening the economic case for independence. Today, in finance research website, Daily FX, I read: Oil Prices continue to Surge after EIA report confirms shrinking supply.”..

    https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2021/04/18/value-of-scotlands-oil-surging-again/

    • grizebard says:

      If you can’t change things given a change in circumstances and a change in public opinion, you’re (fairly obviously) not living in a democracy.

  96. Petra says:

    ”This is a tad worrying, particularly in D&G.” Plus a statement from Fiona Lees the Returning Officer. https://mobile.twitter.com/Balr0g/status/1383816461483868164

    ……………………………

    ”Half of UK thinks Scotland should be allowed second independence referendum. Poll reveals less than a quarter of people think UK will exist in current form a decade from now.”

    http://www.ft.com/content/48c70d0a-2d11-4117-8185-933d9f6bdbaa

    • Capella says:

      I saw on twitter recently that some voting forms don’t have the instruction to put your date of birth in the date box. So some people are entering the current date. That makes the vote invalid.

      Struggling not to go down the conspiracy path since the firm responsible for printing the forms is IDOX, Peter Lilly’s company. PL the former Tory minister who “has a little list” (of single parents claiming benefit).

      ENTER YOUR DATE OF BIRTH IN THE DATE BOX.

    • grizebard says:

      Yes, and the secret is to persuade the Manyanas who expect it to happen but aren’t yet signed up, that now’s the day and now’s the hour, and to procrastinate is only to make matters harder when it does happen after we’ve been further depleted of resources and people.

      And if the figure is less than a quarter, even some of the Unionist diehards evidently believe it’s going to happen.

  97. Petra says:

    Richard Murphy:- ”Me, and others, in The National yesterday: Another Indy Myths video, this week focusing on EU re-entry and GERs 😊 Enjoy!”

    http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2021/04/18/indy-myths-2/

    …………………………………

    Anas Sarwar telling porkies.

    ”Tuesday’s Covid briefing isn’t unscheduled (last Tuesday’s was). It has been scheduled for weeks – indeed, those watching the briefing I did on 6 April would have heard me signal it.” https://mobile.twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1383760430565265424

  98. Petra says:

    MSM Monitor:- ”BBC Scotland has re-launched its care home smear attack on Nicola Sturgeon. The attack was suspended following the death of Prince Philip. The broadcaster will not report information that exposes Unionist hypocrisy on the issue. Read our thread below to find out the truth. The video is from March 2020. It shows Labour and Tory MSPs demanding elderly patients be discharged from Scottish hospitals to free up beds. The pandemic was in its infancy and there were concerns that Scotland might not have enough hospital beds to cope with Covid victims.” https://mobile.twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1383726238150262785

    ………………………………

    ”BBC campaigns to blame the SNP and hide far higher death rate in private /corporate care homes.”

    ”Having misquoted the First Minister on hospital discharges into care homes, where outbreaks have been shown in 5 research reports to have been caused inadvertently by agency staff and not by the discharges, BBC Scotland headlines newly published details so as to again imply Scottish Government responsibility, just over two weeks before the election. Note the link to a Glenn Campbell piece misinterpreting deliberately the words of the Health Secretary on the 8th April.”..

    https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2021/04/19/bbc-campaigns-to-blame-the-snp-and-hide-far-higher-death-rate-in-private-corporate-care-homes/

    • Ah, Petra, you can always rely on Glenn Campbell to do his master’s bidding.
      This from the Courier on the Bad SNP ‘bed blocking’ scandal, as pictures of Italy’s Covid crisis flooding their hospital capacity:-

      “Labour health spokeswoman Monica Lennon said: “Time and time again the SNP has promised to end delayed discharge and yet the numbers of patients stuck in hospital is continuing to increase.

      “Delayed discharge is very distressing for patients and their families and is putting the NHS under serious pressure.

      “It is deeply disappointing that the SNP has failed to provide social care with the funding it needs to tackle delayed discharge at this year’s budget.

      “Scottish Labour would invest in a Scottish Care Service to provide the joined-up service we need to end delayed discharge.”

      Alex Cole-Hamilton.
      Liberal Democrat health spokesman Alex Cole-Hamilton said there was “now a record number of people stuck in hospital because of avoidable health and social care delays”.

      He added: “No-one wants to be stuck in hospital when they are well enough to return home or be cared for in the community.

      “People can be stranded there for months after medical staff have declared them well enough to leave.

      “We are seeing this bottleneck because too often community care just doesn’t exist, causing hospitals to become congested right up to critical care units.

      “The SNP promised to eradicate this problem years ago but now we see it is actually worse than ever.”

      They are pond life.

      In other words, the Brit Nats wanted to chuck them all out last March.

      I just received my TV Licence renewal. There is an insert exhorting me to ‘Make Your Paper Licence magically disappear! ‘

      They are tempting fate. But for my Everlovin’s determined stance on paying our dues, I’d magically stop payment right now.

      God, what are the BBC Brigade going to do when we regain independence?

      Perhaps Campbell will get a free lance gig with the Islay Reporter damning the English Government’s Brexit con which destroyed his fellow Islanders’ shellfish industry?

  99. Petra says:

    ”Nicola Sturgeon does not intend to hold referendum on EU membership if Scotland becomes independent.”

    http://www.holyrood.com/news/view,nicola-sturgeon-does-not-intend-to-hold-separate-referendum-on-eu-membership-if-scotland-become-independent

    ………………………………………….

    ”Small independent country buys the same maritime patrol aircraft as UK. How is that possible without Westminster’s economic might.” https://mobile.twitter.com/DickWinchester/status/1383689798901067781

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Ah well, Norway already has 15 F-35 and will have 52 by 2025 when they retire their F-16s. Denmark igot their first F-35 a week or two ago, and plan to have 27 by 2026. The equivalent for Scotland taking into account our GDP would be about 20. Though I’d probably still prefer Gripens, 32 or so of them.

      Scotland is of course too small and too poor to be able to afford 11 aircraft carriers like the Yanks.

  100. Dr Jim says:

    The Greens are at times a strange political party, on the one hand they talk about all the Green stuff they want to do, and that’s all fine, yet on the other hand they forget to mention that in order to achieve the Green things they want Independence from England’s rule must come first because England wouldn’t allow them to do the stuff they want even if they won the election because no Scottish devolved government whoever it may be has the powers to do it

    As an example the Greens say they would abolish Trident using the existing powers of the Scottish parliament, well no they wouldn’t nor couldn’t, because that’s defence policy and is reserved to Westminster control who wouldn’t give permission for that in the next thousand years, so Greens shouldn’t be trying to fool people with that kind of stuff without saying Scotland would need to be Independent first

    The Greens make other statements that demand scrutiny when they credit themselves with achievements they didn’t make, “we pushed the SNP to do something” well again no they didn’t, what they did was to threaten not to support the SNP over something else or to threaten not to back a budget, which is exactly how the Unionists behave, the difference with the Greens, to give them credit is that they are prepared to negotiate to a position that is acceptable to both parties so they can move on with the governing bit that they’re supposed to do, unlike the three Union parties who seem to never want to negotiate on anything until Westminster gives them permission to because they’ve thought up a political wheeze to thwart it later like taking the Scottish government to court over adopting the UN position on the rights of the child bill, crafty bunch the Union eh

    That’s how governing is supposed to function, by co operation, and that’s what you don’t get by voting Union

  101. Petra says:

    ‘Andrew Tickell: Devolution is over. It’s time to face up to a new reality.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19240571.andrew-tickell-devolution—time-face-new-reality/

    ……………………………..

    Too bad, eh? Boris isn’t coming to Scotland before the election.

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19242437.douglas-ross-makes-nonsense-excuse-boris-johnson-avoiding-scotland/

    • Legerwood says:

      Petra,
      Now that he has cancelled his trip to India he has a gap in his diary so he might come, maybe, possibly, perhaps.

      • Petra says:

        I reckon that the penny has dropped now Legerwood in that he knows that the vast majority of Scots can’t stand him and a visit prior to the Election would see support for the SNP rise. So instead of visiting India or Scotland the lazy article will just lie back, quaff champagne and stuff his face with caviar. You know the norm for him.

  102. Petra says:

    ‘Is Scotland heading for a Catalonia-style constitutional meltdown?’

    ..”The SNP leader’s plan B will be to pass an independence referendum bill in the Scottish parliament to hold a vote without consent from Downing Street. This would likely spark a legal challenge from Johnson’s government.”..

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-referendum-snp-catalonia-b1833023.html

    …………………………………

    ‘United Nations experts condemn ‘shocking’ race report and call for Commission to be scrapped.’

    “In 2021, it is stunning to read a report on race and ethnicity that repackages racist tropes and stereotypes into fact, twisting data and misapplying statistics and studies,” say experts from the UN Human Rights Council.”..

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/race-report-un-boris-johnson-commission-b1833671.html

  103. Dr Jim says:

    In 2014 Anas Sarwas held a meeting of immigrants who at that time had no vote and told Muslims that the SNP intended to deport Muslims after Independence

    Anas Sarwar is working his socks off to sound like a reasonable nice guy but folk should look up his record and then you will see that Anas Sarwar is an inveterate liar and always was

    Alba party statement: “The SNP are not interested in Independence so they should work with us to achieve Independence” OK so what’s wrong with that statement? it doesn’t need the brain of Britain to either work it out or figure out it wasn’t the brain of Britain who thought out that statement in the first place

  104. Hamish100 says:

    In alba’s strategic mind set. If the SNP or Greens don’t work with ALBA proves that they don’t want Independence. Still, if ALBA end up with 1 or 2 seats they will be ignored anyway. Depending on who, if any are elected they will ask to join a bigger party thereafter.

    • Dr Jim says:

      The thing is if those in the Alba party don’t get elected who’s going to ever want any of them in the future, they can’t be trusted not to jump ship on any party and they’ve shown their true colours as to how they behave if they’re rejected

  105. Clydebuilt says:

    Compared to England,

    1. Scotland has had less deaths due to Covid per head of population.
    2. Scotland has had less deaths per service user in care homes

    Source Talkingupscotlandtwo, prof. J. Robertson

  106. Alex Clark says:

    Petra/Capella

    The Dumfries and Galloway twitter account that supposedly posted a “misprinted” ballot paper is a fake, the official council twitter account is here.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/dgcouncil

    Also, the ballot papers issued by D&G council look like this and I suspect that the photo is also a fake and not “misprinted” at all.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Balr0g/status/1383891473725157382/photo/1

    It is true that the returning officer for D&G has “been made aware that a very small number of postal vote packs issued for the Scottish Parliament 2021 election, did not include the text “My date of birth is” on the postal vote statement.”

    However, she may not have seen them herself and has been made aware through the fake twiiter account having been reported to her.

    If you do a search for Dumfries and Galloway on twitter then like me you will likely only find the official account as the fake account probably doesn’t even exist or has now been deleted.

    • Capella says:

      Thx Alex – interesting! I wonder who would bother to circulate a fake photo of the ballot paper, and why (other than a complete bampot, of course).

    • Capella says:

      Actually, it may be the old Microsoft trick of sowing Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. In olden times, if you installed non Microsoft software on a MSDos PC, error messages would pop up warning about all sorts of dire consequences. Completely fake, but prompted people to uninstall the software and install a Microsoft equivalent – with a price tag of course.
      Be afraid. Be very afraid. Elections are super scary 😱

      • Alex Clark says:

        The photograph of the ballot paper was from the Dumfries and Galloway Facebook page and not a fake twitter account as I thought so it might well be a genuine misprinted ballot, my mistake.

  107. Dr Jim says:

    Alistair Carmichael says a brick was thrown through the Lib Dems office window, but the photo in the National doesn’t show a broken window, you’d think the Lib Dems would want to show that if they’re going to blame the monsters who support the SNP

    Maybe the FM herself did it but had a secret conversation with the French ambassador beforehand about which window they preferred, well we know the FM and the French ambassador are always up to secret stuff, eh Alistair?

    • grizebard says:

      Isn’t that the same neck of the woods where not that long ago a war memorial was desecrated by SNP slogans that weren’t painted by SNP supporters…?

  108. Colin Alexander says:

    “…there was never any possibility that the many hundreds of thousands of SNP list votes would ever help elect anyone OTHER than Unionist MP’s.

    People in these regions voting both votes SNP could take a match to the ballot paper and achieve the same effect”.

    https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/04/01/the-both-votes-snp-argument-2/

    • Dr Jim says:

      Keep trying by insulting voters as to their legitimate choices and you’ll keep being insulted for lying to them, another actual Independence party might have been acceptable to voters if Alex Salmond hadn’t been the one fronting it, he and the candidates selected by him are the problem, not a new actual real Independence party

      If there were such a party who knows maybe more people would vote for it but if you can’t see or refuse to see the problem then you’re part of the problem

      Salmond is toxic and will remain so

    • Hamish100 says:

      One of my daughters voted today. Dad I decided to vote snp 1& 2.
      Sorry Colin, It’s not working.
      Ps She would never vote for Salmond. Her words not mine.

      • Colin Alexander says:

        List voters don’t vote for candidates; they vote for a party. (Unless there are independents standing).

        You, your daughter and everyone else is free to vote for whoever they like. I’ve no problem with that. It’s just a shame that it’s likely to be wasted List votes, unless youse live in South Scotland region (assuming it was SNP List vote).

        • Hamish100 says:

          Not wasted. She voted. Most of her friends are SNP too. The look at ALBA and see. An “old man” in charge. The new generation are moving on.

        • grizebard says:

          Yes, and they vote for a party that has already achieved something and will achieve something even better, otherwise it really is a wasted vote. But you know that. You want people to waste their vote. That’s the name of your game.

    • grizebard says:

      It’s amazing how dim people can be once they’re possessed by Notions, and in your quest for confusion you are always very happy to find and quote them. Unionist MPs [sic] are elected by people who vote Unionist. Nobody else. It’s staringly obvious really: in order to beat Unionists, it’s necessary and sufficient to convince people to stop voting for them and vote for an independence-supporting party instead. But your choice-du-jour doesn’t do that, it shamelessly parasitises off its (supposed) own side instead. And doing it too late and very badly besides. A recipe for its own insignificance, but if voters are sensible and not led astray by operators like you, its upcoming public failure won’t harm anyone but itself (though it will no doubt bring some heartache to those who were fooled).

  109. Dr Jim says:

    Another puzzle today is the UK government’s vehement objections to commercial businesses carrying out their commercial plans
    Some football clubs in England have decided they want to be part of some other football clubs in Europe’s new venture in a new Euro league and the UK Tories are particularly animated about this claiming they’re supporting the fans of these commercial clubs yet in the past when any commercial business takes decisions on what they want or have to do the UK Guv always says it’s none of the UK Guvs business, so what’s changed from when British steel for example said they were done and the UK Guv said “It’s not our concern they’re a commercial company” or Debenhams or John Lewis or British Home stores or Woolworths or any number of commercial business decisions by other private companies

    So why do the UK Guv want to prevent and manipulate private companies now doing what they want for their own commercial gain, and why this pretence of standing up for *the fans*

    So no I don’t buy it, either the UK Guv loses money or doesn’t gain money by this process because on past performance *people* don’t matter a damn to them

    • Dr Jim, JP Morgan is sinking £6 billion in to this New Elite.
      I’d venture that quite a few Tories, and Labour, and LDs already have one or two of their fingers in to this juicy pie, and many more will be forwarding their CV’s to JP Morgan when the time is right to step down and make some real money…if you see what I mean.

      The commercial companies now own the MPs; in England democracy is dead.
      Blair works for Morgan?
      Johnson is just an idiot.
      He is Ross’ boss.
      Ross takes his orders from a buffoon.

      It’s the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party.

      • Dr Jim says:

        Like the media in Scotland Jack, people in Scotland see the name BBC Scotland or Scottish television or Radio Scotland and automatically think that’s our media when it’s patently not, it’s England’s version of media and the only thing Scottish about it is the weather forecast

        Like the Bank of Scotland isn’t a Scottish bank it’s just a bank with the name Scotland stuck on it in the same way as a wee Teddy bear with a set of bagpipes in an Edinburgh shop is usually made somewhere in China none of it’s real

        The only time we’ll get a Scottish media that reports on all things properly Scottish and local will be when Scotland becomes Independent and our own government will then have the power to licence broadcasters, a power denied to us at the moment so Westminster can control all media output while at the same time complaining that they refuse to devolve broadcasting to Scotland because the SNP will use it for propaganda purposes, only Westminster who actually uses media for propaganda would accuse another of doing what they already do

        If casual voters only knew what Westminster actually gets up to then doesn’t even have to work hard to cover it up because their media does it for them

        Mad Hatters tea party right enough

  110. Eilidh says:

    Just had the misfortune of watching Misreporting Scotland for the first in ages. Basically I have been avoiding news programmes particularly BBC ones since the Duke of Edinburgh died as the saccharine sweet news coverage made me feel like projectile vomiting. Anyway back to Misreporting Scotland. As usual it was full of blatantly biased anti Snp guff. We had that obnoxious twerp Sarwar of Labour fame saying the Scottish Govt and FM took their eye of the ball re Care Home deaths and it was only common sense that elderly patients were not sent back to Care Homes untested for Covid. Really Anas glad to know your crystal ball was working overtime because you seem to know much more than scientists did at that time of the start of the pandemic and let’s remember all govts in Uk sent people back to care homes untested at the beginning of the pandemic. Then we had wee Willie Winkie talking crap as usual We then had two portions of Douglas Ross on the show I lasted 10 seconds of that before hitting the mute button and then to top it all BBC political reporter Douglas Fraser saying Bojo the idiot won’t allow a legal referendum no matter how many vote for Indy supporting parties. They should just call that show BBC Scotland propaganda Most sci-fi shows I watch represent reality better than BBC shortbread To make my day even less fun. I got a leaflet through the door from that new Indy party. I took one look at the picture of him of the huge ego and dumped it unread into my recycling bin. I haven’t had much election literature from the Snp yet but my area was dumped into Clydebank and Milngavie constituency due to 2011 boundary changes so it feels as if we get forgotten about sometimes but I am sure we will get more stuff from them eventually. Ho hum only 17 days to go to the election

    • Bob Lamont says:

      At the risk of repetition mobile.twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1380884014521802753
      should be circulated far and wide… Perhaps even to Sarwar who appears to have forgotten what his predecessor said…

  111. Dr Jim says:

    At the beginning of the pandemic all three Union British parties were demanding that elderly hospital patients be removed to care homes to clear beds for Covid patients and to protect the elderly from Covid all before anyone knew of the dangers and rate of transmissibility, but as we all know the public in general are supposed to have the memories of goldfish and won’t remember this stuff thinks the Unionists, well some of us do and if others don’t or weren’t paying attention we’ll remind them

    The worst offenders of this behaviour were of course Labour, just like Sarwar’s memory of when the Covid briefing was scheduled that he claimed was a surprise to thwart his manifesto launch, liar

    Anas Sarwar the inveterate liar without a conscience, that’s Labour, no different to the Tories when it comes to thieving and lying to Scotland

    • Petra says:

      ”The video is from March 2020. It shows Labour and Tory MSPs demanding elderly patients be discharged from Scottish hospitals to free up beds. The pandemic was in its infancy and there were concerns that Scotland might not have enough hospital beds to cope with Covid victims.” https://mobile.twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1383726238150262785

      ……………………………………………..

      ‘Labour leaders ‘out of touch’ as poll shows their voters back Indyref2.’

      http://www.thenational.scot/news/19242886.labour-leaders-out-touch-poll-shows-voters-back-indyref2/

    • See my post at 1.17 pm above.

      This was from the Courier 4/3/2020; Monica Lennon and Neil Coal Shuttle were demanding that the Bad SNP unblock NHS beds and send the elderly back home or to Care Homes…Italy was building Field hospitals as their hospitals were overwhelmed with patients.

      Palnatation Quay the BBC Stockade Up Here is in turbo Brit Nat propaganda drive now.

      I never tire of resurrecting the Jock List of hacks and broadcasters Up Here who are in the pay of a foreign government, England, whose job is to subvert from within, a Fourth Estate Fifth Column, who have been bred from birth, brainwashed like Manchurian Candidates,sleeepers, fully activated now, when England is under its greatest threat, about to lose their Golden Goose colony, and face Brexit descent into being an insignificant little third country, no longer on the World Stage as a Big Player.

      Brian Taylor
      Gordon Brewer
      Andrew Kerr
      Glenn Campbell
      Sally Magnusson
      Douglas Fraser
      John McKay
      Colin Mackay
      David Henderson
      Andrew Kerr
      The Hon Sarah Smith
      Gary Robertson
      Hayley Millar
      Gillian Marles
      Martin Geissler
      Ken MacQuarrie
      Donalda MacKinnon
      Tom Harris
      Magnus Linklater
      Catriona Shearer
      Sally McNair
      Andrew Marr
      Alex Massie
      Severin Carrell
      Tom Gordon
      Paul Hutcheon
      Andrew Neil
      Kirsty Wark
      Laura Kuennsberg
      Paris Gouteratis
      David Clegg
      Iain Macwhirter
      Alison Rowat
      Alan Cochrane

      They are all from the same ‘background’, and upbringing.
      British First, Scottish by geographical accident or colonial settlement.

      We could add more of the new recruits to this list…

      How to get on in MSM Jockland? Include SNP Bad in the key sentence of your opening paragraph.

      Roll on Independence.

      • Capella says:

        I think Colin Mackay has been much better than the others, at least in the clips I’ve seen. He may be an endangered species, like Derek Bateman, Eamon O’Neil, Isobel Fraser, Ken MacDonald and maybe a few others.
        I would add Kevin Face-Aw-Roon McKenna to your list. He has abandoned his seat on the fence for a front row pew and Nicola ate my hamster mode.

        • McKenna referred to our hard pressed Police as the SNP’s ‘private army’.
          That did it for me.

          The man’s a dusty old Red Tory who has pined in print for a return to the Good Old Labour Days….when leaders were caught up in cocaine and alcohol addiction, caught having sex in a public car park, or caught on camera verbally lusting after a young girl in the Holyrood Public Gallery.
          Ah, good old Labour, where a Council can run up an £11 million taxi bill to a private hire company in one year.

          Where are they now?
          McKenna and Macwhirter are hanging on by the skin of their teeth and their brass necks.
          Rain off; weeds to weed, and not metaphorically.

    • Legerwood says:

      He did not come across well did he? LOL

      • Dr Jim says:

        This clown just keeps right on ignoring everybody and everything and displaying his apprentice objectionable Tory set of non values in the hope that one day his superiors in England will thank him for his loyalty by putting on display their belief in their own superiority of exceptionalism

        There is no such thing in democracy as an illegal referendum if a democratically elected parliament of and by the people demand it, there can be no such thing as a wildcat referendum because that would imply nobody knew it was going to happen so it’s a statement of stupidity by a stupid moron who thinks the public don’t know what the word wildcat means

        If a country is part of a Union then as in any Union that country can leave the said Union if the people want to, and to deny that as a possibility is to say said country is not in a Union but is owned by a dictator regime, so to quote the Mel Gibson movie which I wouldn’t normally do but

        “slaves are made in such ways”

        Don’t let the Tories scare a single one of Scotland’s people with such talk of failure if we want to vote for what we want, this is 2021 not 300 years ago when they bayonetted and murdered Scots for answering back, sure they’ll kick up a fuss what does anyone expect them to do, but they’ll do nothing more because they can do nothing more, the world is watching this and the world has nothing but contempt for England and it’s leaders, and this time the World won’t be silent

        Nobody gave England permission to change the rules of democracy, Scotland is fighting back, Northern Ireland is fighting back and now even Wales is fighting back, democracy is a human right

        • Ross declares that he is going to invest £600 million in the NHS Covid Backlog, that unlike other parties,his Blue Tories have a fully costed manifesto; no he hasn’t.
          We’re back to Maggie Thatcherism.
          Ross will ‘find’ the £600 million from ‘efficiencies’ in the existing NHS budget, which is of course 1990’s ‘Consultant Speak’, for cuts in services elsewhere.
          The Thatcher model of ‘efficiencies and savings’, was:- ‘Do the same with a smaller budget’ or more with the same budget’.
          Cuts in services, and jobs, with those who survive the cull expected to take on more duties left undone by sackings, with less equipment, buildings and with the heat turned down.
          That’s what they meant by ‘efficiencies and savings’.
          Poor service understaffed, and underpaid, just like 21st Century England, where they cut the Police Force by 20,000, the Armed Forces by 10%, and nurses are being offered a 1% wage rise while the English NHS needs 50,000 more nurses…Economics 101, Dross. Supply and demand..to attract more nurses, HMG has to pay more, not less.
          Unless of course they have no intention of beefing up the NHS prior to selling it of to US Private Health Care consortiums?
          Dross is a bumbling fool, and comes across as an incredibly dim individual, which is probably why he got the job as ‘leader’ of the Branch Office.
          He actually believes that if we have a majority of Pro Independence MSPs returned, that his Boss Johnson can still ‘refuse’ to accept the democratic decision of the People of Scotland.
          Does this man not have one ounce of Scottish blood or heritage in his increasingly bloated body..or is he just that dense?

          He now accepts 4% raise for Scots nurses, does he?

          But it will be paid for by ‘efficiencies and savings’? He’ll cut nurse posts by 4% to pay for it?
          The man is a cardboard cut out.

          Remember Danny Alexander sliding in to his Ministerial limousine clutching papers which set out the sacking of 500,000 public servants as part of Willie Rennie’s party’s Coalition with the Blue Tories?
          He was Chief Secretary to The Treasury. He got a knighthood and a Brown Paper Bag banking job in Hong Kong out of it.
          That was even more efficiencies and savings.
          Cut, cut, cut, ’til there’s nothing left to ‘save’, including patients’ lives.

          Jenkins was clearly more softly softly in his questioning and tone with this stupid wee man.

          Even the Brit Nats hacks must be straining every sinew to refrain from bursting into fits of laughter at some of the idiotic logic Yoons like Ross attempt to apply to their warped logic of what constitutes democracy.
          Ross is still declaring to anyone who will listen that we voted in 2014, and that’s final.
          Bed

          • grizebard says:

            “He actually believes that if we have a majority of Pro Independence MSPs returned, that his Boss Johnson can still ‘refuse’ to accept the democratic decision of the People of Scotland.” I don’t think he does believe it, Jack, which is why he doggedly refuses to answer any question about it. As to be fair, STV’s Colin Mackay at least persisted in asking him about. Hence JM‘s fun little sketch downthread.

            But it will be interesting to see how he is forced to deal with the horrible (for him) unavoidable reality when his ridiculous stonewalling is given a righteous two-finger salute by the people of Scotland exercising their precious democracy in just over two weeks’ time.

            • grizebard, I have tremendous admiration for your resilient even handedness is affording this little man the benefit of the doubt. That he knows what he is doing, that his indefensible stance is merely Fabian tactics, to delay the inevitable, at which time he will ‘come clean’, and accept the democratic bidding of his fellow citizens, is a stretch, I fear.

              Like Baillie, or Rennie, or Sarwar or Davidson, this man shows nothing but contempt for the people, and must believe that he has the licence to,well just lie, as merely playing ‘politics’, the defence gambit which Liar Carmichael tried in the Frenchgate scandal.

              It’s just ‘politics’, to these hoary old tub thumpers.

              Lives don’t matter, getting in enough votes to crawl back on to the Opposition Gravy Train for a further five indecently paid years, is all that matters.

              That”s what Salmond’s after…a backbench seat at the Roman orgy of Brit vanities..

    • Statgeek says:

      Now if Ch4 are really independent from UKGov, they will put that guy forward for future interviews. Funny that Scottish journos can’t seem to manage that.

      • grizebard says:

        Maybe he’s just trying to make up for the hatchet job he tried to do on Nicola the other day, though I doubt it from his passing reference to her. Or possibly just because he’s a signed-up Red Tory. He starts this one by puncturing the “Scottish” Tories fatuous claims to be able to stop indyref2, but seems to think that BoJo can and will prevail.

        Poor DRoss, I wonder why he’s actually standing for election now after a mere 5 years, since he seems to firmly believe that the results of older ones are immutable. (But only when they happen to deliver results he likes.)

  112. James Mills says:

    Interviewer : Mr Ross , what would you like for your birthday ?

    DRoss : I don’t want to see another divisive Independence referendum in Scotland and the people don’t want that .

    Interviewer : Can I get you a drink ?

    DRoss : We had a divisive referendum in 2014 and the Scottish people do not want another one .

    Interviewer : Mr Ross , your jacket is on fire !

    DRoss : I am adamant that I will stop another divisive Independence referendum. I don’t want it and so the people of Scotland won’t get one .

  113. Hamish100 says:

    Jamie Green Tory on bbc GMS stated that the NHS and services will not have cuts. He obviously didn’t see his boss state on Channel 4 state that £500m savings will need to made. He just didn’t say where. Who not to believe Green or Ross? Ok . Both cannot be believed.

    • Hamish, the Cuts Mantra was posted on the walls of every public service institution from DHSS to Land Registry, and adopted by LA services throughout the land, including my own LA, Glasgow, the Red Tories from Thatcher onwards.

      Managers were threatened with adverse Annual Appraisals, indeed budget cuts were woven in to their Key Work Objectives, and it was plain that, if ‘efficiencies and savings’ were not ‘achieved’, then heads would roll.

      ‘More (services) with the same (money), or the same(service) with less (money)’.

      This savage cuts nonsense was adopted by Blair and Brown’s Red Tories, then Cameron’s Big Society, during which sacked civil servants and public services were replaced by a burgeoning Third Sector, which gave rise to Red Nose Day, and foodbanks.

      Today, the Red Blue and Yellow Brit Nat Tory diktat still lives on in their Begging Bowl Big Society, 1/3 of a million Scots children are doing more than their bit so that Jamie Greene can give Filthy Rich JK Rowling and her pal Lord Darling of Flipper a bigger tax cut.

      Need a wheel chair or a disabled ramp outside your home? Tune in to Lenny Henry’s Big Night tonight!

      We are on the verge of a Revolution.

      MORE WITH THE SAME. THE SAME WITH LESS.

      SLAVERY IS FREEDOM.

      WHO WILL WIN BIG BROTHER?

      To any Duggers working in the public sector, have you been ‘downsized or rightsized in the past 30 years?

      • Gariochquine says:

        I remember my experience of working in an English hospital in the nineties. My colleagues and I were reduced to stumbling around in the dark, struggling to see to do our work, because the management had hit on the brilliant wheeze of removing every other lightbulb in the name of ‘efficiency savings’.

  114. And for news no longer published or broadcast by the Brit Nat media, below is the Update as of yesterday:-

    Scottish numbers: 19 April 2021
    Summary
    232 new cases of COVID-19 reported
    10,649 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
    2.5% of these were positive
    0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)
    14 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
    104 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
    2,747,694 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 757,115 have received their second dose.

    We are beating this terrible affliction.

    I cannot imagine more ‘efficient’ Health and Support services in our wonderful wee country, can you?
    Yet Jaime Greene would sack nurses, ambulance crews, hospital porters, and doctors, because public service bad, private profit good.

  115. Petra says:

    ‘The red, white and blue cage.’

    https://newsnet.scot/news-analysis/the-red-white-and-blue-cage/

    ……………………………………………….

    ‘NHS: ‘Centralised and secretive’ medical industrial complex being constructed.’

    https://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/nhs-centralised-and-secretive-medical-industrial-complex-being-constructed/

  116. Petra says:

    ‘Their Scottish Lordships Report 2021.’

    ..”Despite 81% of Scottish MPs reflecting a pro-independence voice, not one Scottish Lord has given voice to, or reflected support for, Scotland’s right to choose its future.”..

    http://www.tommysheppardmp.scot/their-scottish-lordships-2/

    ………………………………….

    ‘Their Scottish Lordships: How the House of Lords fails to represent Scotland.’

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hNNCA8kJV-T8B3Qpi3jU1bkrIvIcyHHC/view

    • WE owe you a continuing and immeasurable thanks for your work in ferreting out these articles, Petra.

      England’s publicly owned Health Service is dead.
      Blair and Brown merely continued Thatcherism. The scandal of PFI hospitals still costs us billions, wasted vital NHS cash siphoned away to offshore tax havens, for example.

      We are on the verge of a Major Crisis in Scotland.

      As we have witnessed in Norn Irn, Johnson Gove and Rees Mogg don’t give dozen oyster shells about the ‘unrest’ in Ireland…if the Irish were burning buses in Kensington High Street again, then they’d sit up.

      It was JFK who observed :-
      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
      Perhaps it is appropriate to repeat Tommy Shepperd’s Summary of Red Blue and Yellow Jock Lairds here:-

      “Their Scottish Lordships Report 2021

      This week I published my 2021 report into the Scottish Lords. The report – titled “Their Scottish Lordships” highlights just how unrepresentative the Scottish member of the Lords are, the widening democratic deficit and the extortionate cost to the public purse.

      In its findings the report reveals:

      A breakdown of party numbers: The Tory party has just 10% of Scottish MPs but make up a staggering 45% of Scottish Lords. Labour holds only one of Scotland’s 59 Commons seats, yet the party accounts for 32% of Scotland’s peers. And the Lib Dems hold 7% of Scotland’s Commons seats, but account for 11% of Scotland’s peers.

      Constitution: Despite 81% of Scottish MPs reflecting a pro-independence voice, not one Scottish Lord has given voice to, or reflected support for, Scotland’s right to choose its future.

      Expenses: In total, the expenses bill of Scotland’s 83 peers for the most recent financial year at the time of research (Apr 2019 to Mar 2020) was £2,292,563 – including 139 “away days”.

      Total cost to the tax payer: Each year, taxpayers are forced to stump up over an eye-watering £100 million for the continued existence of the unelected Lords.

      Hereditary peers: Out of Scotland’s 21 hereditary peers, 11 of them (52%) are Conservatives, a further 8 (38%) are crossbenchers and the remaining 2 (10%) are Lib Dems. Of those with party affiliation (that is excluding crossbenchers), a staggering 85% are Tories.
      Representation: 69% of Scottish Lords are aged 65 or over, only 17% of Scotland’s peers are women, and over half (55%) attended a private school.”

      What a disgusting little Union it is.

      • Petra says:

        ”WE owe you a continuing and immeasurable thanks for your work in ferreting out these articles, Petra.”

        Thanks? Not to me Jack. I get most of these articles from the Indyref2 site where Ann works her backside off, 7 days a week, on our behalf. I just attempt to spread the word further afield 😀.

  117. Petra says:

    Well done Sophie E. Hill.

    ‘MY LITTLE CRONY.’

    https://www.sophie-e-hill.com/slides/my-little-crony/

    ………………………………

    Well done to Nicola too.

    ‘Nicola Sturgeon to say SNP childcare plans are ‘transformational’.’

    ..”A re-elected SNP government will build a system of wraparound childcare, for which the least well-off families will pay nothing. This will be truly transformational in opening up employment opportunities for parents – benefiting both the families themselves and the wider economy.”..

    http://www.holyrood.com/news/view,nicola-sturgeon-to-say-snp-childcare-plans-are-transformational

  118. Petra says:

    Why beat about the bush using terms such as, “consistent failure to be honest”? Get right down to the nitty gritty and vote on BoJo being a corrupt, compulsive liar …. or not. Anyone who says that he isn’t a liar is in effect telling porkies themselves.

    ”Six opposition parties in the Commons are today urging the Speaker, Sir Lindsay Hoyle, to allow a vote on an inquiry into Boris Johnson’s “consistent failure to be honest” in statements to MPs.” https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1384120270621790215

    ……………………………………..

    ‘Can Northern Ireland survive Brexit?’

    ..”He (John Bruton) doubts, too, whether the Republic could cope with the security threat if the referendum narrowly passed in the face of Protestant opposition. That community includes more than 10,000 members of outlawed “loyalist” paramilitary groups that once massacred Catholics, and occasionally bombed the Republic, in attempts to outdo the IRA. “My nightmare would be if we had a border poll, and it was carried in either direction, much like Brexit was carried, by 51 to 49,” Bruton said. “If it was in the direction of a united Ireland, do you think that would be accepted in East Belfast?”..

    http://www.politico.eu/article/northern-ireland-brexit-border-protocol-unionists-nationalists-poll/

    • bringiton says:

      The biggest threat to the protestant enclave in Ireland is Scottish independence.
      I remember the coachloads of Orange people descending on our Capitol the Saturday before the 2014 vote.
      Brexit represents a threat to their tenuous links with the UK but would completely terminate them upon Scottish independence.
      At that juncture,Scotland and Ireland would need to give the NI protestant community guarantees about safety and representation,in the same way as EU membership did and hopefully will again.

    • John Bruton is from a wealthy landed background and was a Fine Gael politician, a Tory, in other words.

      Project O’Fear set in motion I think.

      The South of Ireland would have massive change too following reunification.
      A Publicly owned HS for example.

      Most young people in the North see themselves as European, not British.

      Bruton has more in common with Arlene and Boris than he has with the ordinary working fold on the Emerald Isle.

  119. Petra says:

    All eyes on Scotland 😀. Get out there and vote SNP x 2 in May and put the wind right up them 😉 .

    ‘A first glimpse of post-Brexit politics? England’s May 2021 elections.’

    ..”Taken together, the range of elections in England on May 8th can be expected to be provide a first glimpse of the shape England’s politics might take now that Brexit has taken place. But, rather unusually, the election which seems likely have the most lasting impact on the course of English politics (and that of the wider UK) will be that in Scotland. With Nicola Sturgeon’s SNP government seeking to secure a mandate to demand a second independence referendum, it may well be the Holyrood results that Johnson and Starmer are monitoring most anxiously when the ballot boxes are opened, and the outcome of that election rather than any of the English contests that dominates political and media discussion in the following weeks and months.”..

    http://www.centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/news-and-opinion/first-glimpse-post-brexit-politics-englands-may-2021-elections

    ……………………………..

    The only one talking sense. Close the borders!

    Devi Sridhar:- “This is going to be the year of the variant”. Professor of Public Health at Edinburgh University, speaks to #BBCBreakfast as a new covid variant has been discovered.” https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1384046138848727041

  120. Petra says:

    Sarah Smith’s daddy involved! And to think that many of us were duped by the Labour Party charlatans over decades 🙄. Next time Anas Sarwar blames the SNP for child poverty in Scotland throw this back in his face.

    ‘Labour Ministers launched ‘propaganda’ unit to fight independence, document reveals.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19244832.labour-ministers-launched-propaganda-unit-fight-independence-documents-reveal/

    ……………………………………..

    From the wee fly man, “No I don’t even wish to be in government again.”

    ‘Salmond rules out return to power but has ‘unfinished business’ of independence.’

    ..”Some commentators have speculated Salmond still harbours ambitions to be First Minister, possibly to seek revenge on his one-time ally and successor as SNP leader and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon. The two have not spoken since he successfully took her government to court more than two years ago. Asked if he wished at some point to be First Minister again, Salmond said: “No I don’t even wish to be in government again.”..

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19244359.my-unfinished-business-independence/

    • Statgeek says:

      It’s amazing how many tactics and schemes they have to prevent Indy and keep their grubby little protuberances on the oil wealth.

      And to think it’s not worth anything. 😀

  121. Petra says:

    Paul I hope that you and Peter are keeping well X. Just 16 days to go until the election and then, maybe then, things will settle down and we can all pull together to achieve our objective …. Freedom 😀.

    ……………

    Excellent article Paul.

    ‘Wee Ginger Dug: Scots face a choice of indy or a new hyper-Unionism.’

    ..”It’s clear Westminster cannot continue to say no to Scottish demands for another referendum without destroying the traditional understanding of the UK as a voluntary union of nations. One way or another, the old understanding of the UK is dead, killed by those Conservatives who claimed to love it the most. What takes its place will depend on who wins the battle of wills between Holyrood and Westminster which will define the Scottish political landscape following that crucial election on May 6.”..

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19244310.choice-either-indy—new-hyper-unionism/

    …………………………….

    All International travellers entering Scotland go into quarantine but with travel right across the UK opening up now Boris Johnson and England continue to be a threat to Scotland in more ways than one ☹.

    ”India will be added to the government’s travel-ban red list from Friday 23 April. It came after Boris Johnson cancelled his planned trip to the country because of the Covid situation there. India has been reporting more than 200,000 cases daily since 15 April. But Pakistan and Bangladesh have both been on the red list since 9 April.”..

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56801288

  122. Petra says:

    Check out Professor John Robertson’s articles.

    https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/blog-feed/

    And Ann’s latest links on the Indyref2 site.

    https://indyref2.space/forum/topic/links-tuesday-20-april-2021/

  123. yesindyref2 says:

    So, the Believe in Scotland poll had a sample size of 1002, and this IS the same sample size as the Wings questions have. Those are about Alba, with explanations of what Alba is, so if they were asked BEFORE the Believe in Scotland Q5, Q6 and Q7 it would have influenced the poll result that gave Alba 6% rather than the usual 3% or 2.1%. That is an IF, they could have been asked after the Believe ones. The two on that Wings article are called W6 and W5.

    https://www.drg.global/wp-content/uploads/Believe-in-Scotland-Tables-for-Publication-140421 .pdf

    (remove space) for Q5, Q6 and Q7. Hopefully the whole data tables will appear soon and show the actual order.

    It will be interesting to see the next poll that asks the voting intention question fairly and squarely without prior influence. My feeling is support is less than 3%, and the Panelbase polls are irregular. UKIP showed 6% in some polls in 2016, got 2% on the list – 46,426 votes – and got ZERO seats of course.

  124. Dr Jim says:

    Just watched the Coburn English politics show and Kate Forbes was on with Tory mickey Mouse Andrew Bowie pulling the same stunts as DRoss, everything Kate Forbes said Bowie replied by inventing something she didn’t say then we had the Tory line of *we won’t let Scotland use our £”

    It doesn’t seem to have dawned on England that the £ doesn’t belong to them it belongs to whoever wants to use it just like the $ or any other form of money that any country uses, Scotland does not need to be in a currency union as do none of the countries around the world who use the American $ to trade in like the entire middle east uses for oil, a currency is a currency and any country can use it

    England seems to have forgotten that when they used to travel to other countries they used other countries money and the Spanish never objected when we used their Peseta or the Italians the Lire, the EU never objected when we used the Euro and how do these people think we trade with our next door neighbours in Ireland

    This shit scares nobody just like their *illegal wildcat* garbage, like Kate says they’re terrified of losing

    Oh yeah a Labour woman did what Labour do *we’ll talk about it in five years when the pandemic is over* bit Mystic Meg that statement eh, because it’s the same answer as the Tories * we’ll say when not you* y’see we don’t count, only England decides what’s best for them, Ooops I mean us

    • grizebard says:

      Did Bowie actually say “our pound”? That said by a Scot? The thing is, it’s perfectly believable that he ventured beyond the normally cretinous and into the treasonous. Though if people like him freely chose to keep his precious pound after independence by becoming English and permanently removing himself furth of Bonnie Scotland, that would be a big win. For us, that is.

      • Dr Jim says:

        I took it as meaning they’re the real people of Scotland and England and Britain and UK and precious and patriotic and faithful, and we’re the separatist wrong uns who don’t deserve to live let alone be entitled to lay hands upon their £

  125. James Mills says:

    If it looks like sh*t , smells like sh*t and acts like sh*t then it probably IS Tory Policy towards Scotland !

  126. Dr Jim says:

    Aw naw, the baw heided twat, the self appointed grand Mufti of the Banzai website of Strike now for Salmond the loser has just written the most embarrassing of Ass licking suck up sycophantic drivel about Salmond and how the known universe of England is so terrified of the most fearsome politician of all time in an effort to draw attention away from the truth that actually the only politician who’s put the wind up the Westminster government lately is unfortunately for the woman hating wee self appointed Grand Mufti, the current FM of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon

    And I’m not just saying that to play point scoring, no one in England set up whole bureaus of Salmond fighting Tories containing secret ways of undermining the guy who lost, because they fully expected and knew he was going to lose the 2014 referendum was designed that way and it was only luck that Scotland came close to winning, because it certainly wasn’t down to Salmond who’d had his Arse publicly and nationally kicked all over the TV because he was unprepared by Labour dunce Alistair Darling, a man who my dog Scooby Doo could best in a debate

    Why does the Mufti make this stuff up? because the Salmond party has become crazed with panic, not only are their numbers so low as to be bordering on the cringingly embarrassing but Salmond opened his mouth and declared that he was not a democrat and saying he would not have a referendum on Scotland’s Independence, he would just *take* Independence if people voted for his party, I guess in his mind he thinks this might push the actual FM of Scotland to be as stupid as he is, well it won’t and it’s why she’s the FM and has the respect of the International community and it will never be him because the International community don’t even know who Salmond and his crew are

    Maybe if he’d done the job correctly in the first place when he was FM it might have dawned on him that there’s a big world out there and everybody needs friends, that’s what Nicola Sturgeon did, the actual job of cultivating the EU and the Nordic countries along with our friends in Ireland next door and not just some blowhard buffoonery swanning about TV studios and George Square talking big but doing nothing

    We need serious people to do serious work for Independence not Internet foul mouthed threatening big mouths and past it blawhards who can’t get through a door for their own ego

    • Petra says:

      It IS totally embarrassing, Dr Jim, pathetic in fact, but he’s got to try something taking into account that he sold this idea, the return of big Eck … the Messiah, to his acolytes as part of his ploy to destroy Nicola Sturgeon and in fact to scupper independence altogether.

      Somehow or another most people don’t agree with him with polls showing that Alex Salmond is the most unpopular party leader in Scotland (-51%) with, for example, Sarwar on +2% and Rennie -7% Worst still he’s even more unpopular than the despicable Boris Johnson himself (-28%). Salmond is 70 points behind Nicola Sturgeon (+20%), so yeah he will be a great big threat 🤣🤣.

      Two thirds of those surveyed believed that Salmond was untrustworthy, dishonest and disingenuous with 63% (of the two thirds) stating that he was unfit for public office, but don’t let that get in the way of them hoping to get their massive egos massaged and keeping them both in a lucrative job.

      It just makes you think about the so-called Wings party that they were all bleating on about. Where would that be now? How popular would the leader of that party be with normal, half-decent people? The mind boggles 🤬.

      • grizebard says:

        If there’s anyone among the gold fever sufferers I’m genuinely sorry for, it’s JK@SGP. He seems to have “lost the heid” by a toxic mixture of a dislike of some of the SNP’s recent internal shenanigans (not entirely without reason) and an absurd faith in a political figure who, as you say, now has seriously negative popularity ratings.

        How he (JK) can recover his previous reputation for sound analysis of actual data from this absurd spat of mindless naive boosterism I don’t know.

  127. jfngw says:

    The BritNat parties know remaining in the UK is the worst of both worlds, controlled by another country and excluded from the EU by another country, the only way they can defend their position is to deny the people of Scotland a choice.

    The best way to beat them is to ensure the SNP has a majority at Holyrood without relying on any other party. I posted my votes today, SNP on both ballot papers. I don’t trust the Green’s and I trust Alba even less (I can never vote for a party led by someone who shows no remorse for their behaviour)

  128. Colin Alexander says:

    The Unionists will appreciate the SNP List votes. Murdo Fraser will probably feel reassured that he has a career for life as a devolution MSP when he reads WeeGingerDug comments.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Yes but at least your family would likely be safe with Murdo Fraser, Salmond and Campbell however?
      When you attack people on the Internet in the names of others you should really check the characters of just who you think you’re supporting

      • Colin Alexander says:

        You do realise Paul K could be sued personally if his website publishes defamatory comments? Please think before you or others indulge in defamation.

        • James Mills says:

          If someone acts like a Pr*ck and talks like a Pr*ck and you call him a Pr*ck – is that defamation , or the beginning of a Party called Alba ?

        • Petra says:

          Defamation? Strange that I’ve never noticed you have the cahunas to post anything like that on a site that’s defaming people practically every day of the week, Colin.

          • grizebard says:

            Oh, his real name isn’t Colin, BTW. He is a complete construct. Is that defamatory, Mr. Construct? (If you cared to post your real name, I would of course be happy to use it.)

        • Eilidh says:

          Colin or whatever your real name is stop threatening people here and accusing them of defamation. People are entitled to their own opinions so it is not up to you to police this blog It is you that is winding people up here whilst you know the blog owner is ill. You barely posted here if at all prior to Paul stepping away from his blog for a while. I haven’t been on Wings for over a year and not much for the year before that but even I remember your posts there. We don’t need your adverts for Alba people will vote for that party if they so wish. You have shown yourself up to be someone with an agenda which is precious little to do with Scottish Independence and a nasty conniving troll so if you don’t like what is being said then just don’t post here

    • grizebard says:

      You keep peddling this easy-soundbite but dangerous lie (how very unsurprising!) that Murdo can somehow be kept out of Holyrood by splitting the pro-indy vote. The likes of Murdo are there because of the Tory list vote, as you know very well. And the only way of changing that is by convincing people who tend to vote Tory that such a continuing vote is going to be seriously harmful to their own personal future (as it actually will be). And that’s only going to happen by dint of good example and cool persuasion, and is never going to be achieved in a month of Sundays by a posturing political has-been whom they never liked and who has only token support from anyone anyway.

      Keep on with your slithering messaging if you must, but all you are achieving is making it ever more obvious to ever more readers exactly what a devious game you are playing, and that you should be soundly ignored.

      • Colin Alexander says:

        Voting SNP 1 and 2 has never kept Murdo out of Holyrood.

        • grizebard says:

          Only because operators like you have been working your damnedest to deprive the SNP of votes. Your very evident antipathy to the SNP has been the only constant in all your years of trying.

          But ignore the reality in favour of your fairy tales all you like, no-one takes you seriously these days anyway, Wormtongue.

        • James Mills says:

          True – but the SNP didn’t LIE and claim that a vote on the List would keep the Tory out .
          Alba’s message has been basically dishonest in ”suggesting ”that a vote for them would deny a Tory a seat .
          UNLESS you reduce the Tory/Unionist vote they will ALWAYS get some joy on the List .

          Be a man and tell the truth !

  129. Alex Clark says:

    This is his level

    Colin Alexander says:
    17 April, 2021 at 4:12 pm
    A voter was asking me what do I know about the candidates in the South of Scotland.

    I told them Joan McAlpine likes cock.

    They responded using the words of the late Bobby Ball:

    “That’s good enough for me, cock. What else do you know about Joan McAlpine? the voter asked.

    I told them Nicola Sturgeon hates her guts cos Joan McAlpine disnae believe putting on a dress makes a man a woman.

    “That’s all I know I need to know, the voter said. I’ll vote for her in the constituency and Alba on the Regional List”.

    • Colin Alexander says:

      Alex Clark, I thought Cannon and Ball were funny. Did you not like them, cock? They’re good enough for me, cock. Rock on Alba Party !

  130. Colin Alexander says:

    The petty childish jibes are one thing but, making defamatory allegations crosses the line; it could get Paul K into trouble, so jist gonnae no dae that.

    • P Harvey says:

      Don’t reply to Colin it’s a complete waste of time & effort.Keep focused on the prize
      SNP 1 & 2 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

    • grizebard says:

      Where your insidious messaging falls flat, you resort to another sort of deviation instead. The childish kind. Boo-hoo. How pathetic. But you don’t have to stay anyway. There’s nothing you can post here that’s of any interest to anyone anyway. Alas for you, your reputation has preceded you, and that’s your real problem, sonny.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Coco, you are like a cock and bull story, but without the cock.

  131. Capella says:

    Labour ministers launched ‘propaganda’ unit to fight independence, documents reveal

    NEWLY published documents from the 1970s reveal Labour ministers discussed bringing North Sea oil into “English waters” in an effort to undermine Scottish independence support.

    Papers opened at the National Archives in Kew show James Callaghan’s government launched a secretive “publicity and propaganda” unit to deal with the SNP amid fears around the party’s campaigning on the issue.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19244832.labour-ministers-launched-propaganda-unit-fight-independence-documents-reveal/

  132. Alex Clark says:

    Some are not as up to speed as they pretend to be on the law in Scotland.

    The Defamation and Malicious Publication (Scotland) Bill passed its final stage unaminously at the start of March and will be incorporated into Scots law on receiving Royal assent.

    A blogger will be treated as a “secondary publisher” and is not responsible for any comments made by someone else unless he modifies the content of the original author. For anybody interested then you might want to read Sec. 3 of the new Bill “Restriction on proceedings against secondary publishers” rather than take my word for it.

    https://www.parliament.scot/bills-and-laws/bills/defamation-and-malicious-publication-scotland-bill

    • Colin Alexander says:

      Alex Clark, thank you for reminding people the law on defamation has not yet been reformed until the Holyrood Bill receives Royal Assent.

    • P Harvey says:

      That’s Colin telt!
      😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  133. Colin Alexander says:

    Some people’s gold prize may be an SNP-led colonial administration for another five years, which is fair enough. Each to their own.

    But, devolution power / colonial administration by the SNP is fools’ gold.

    The prize I and many other SNP and Alba supporters are aiming for is the restoration of Scottish national sovereignty by resiling the Treaty of Union and creating an independent democratic Scottish state where the people of Scotland are sovereign.

    • grizebard says:

      “SNP-led colonial administration” {guffaw}

      So it’s Catalan-style (ie. futile self-destructive) open revolution for the “real believers”, eh?

      You’re getting way too obvious now, Mr. Construct.

      • Colin Alexander says:

        Scotland’s independence would be done lawfully, by resiling the international treaty called the Treaty of Union, following the democratic self-determination of the people of Scotland in accordance with international law.

        NOT based on: Boris says no to a s30 Order, so that’s that then: Maybe one day England’s MPs will give us permission to exercise self-determination.

        • grizebard says:

          Oh, resile away somewhere else. Your playbook is worn out and you’re getting past boring now.

        • Petra says:

          ”NOT based on: Boris says no to a s30 Order, so that’s that then.”

          You’re like a stuck record Colin. Do you actually know that’s what Nicola Sturgeon plans to do? An S30 order? That and only that? You come across as another who’s been gaslighted ”elsewhere” or are you just a wind-up merchant?

          • Colin Alexander says:

            How come the politicians decide we can hold an election during a pandemic but, we can’t hold an indyref until there’s no pandemic?

            Is the Coronavirus a colonialist Unionist? I will only smit people during an indyref but no a Holyrood election?

            “Scottish numbers: 20 April 2021
            Summary

            178 new cases of COVID-19 reported
            14,868 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results
            1.4% of these were positive
            2 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive
            13 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
            106 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
            2,750,052 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 797,267 have received their second dose”

            • Hamish100 says:

              CA I can see why you are trying to ingratiate with this blog.

              Your host blog is increasingly concerned over phallic symbolism. Has it totally lost the plot? It is getting embarrassing.

              Still can’t say I agree with you but at least we talk about independence.

              • Colin Alexander says:

                I’d like to see the SNP win EVERY constituency seat and Alba picking up the pro-indy vote on the List.

                So, I support Max the Yes by voting SNP (constituency) Alba ( List) for Scotland’s sake.

                This isn’t about who loves Nicola or Alex, WingsoverScotland or WeeGingerdug.

                This election is about the future of our nation: Scotland and her people. The decisions we make now will affect our children and our children’s children, long after Alex and Nicola, Wings and WGD are long gone and forgotten about.

                I want Scotland’s people to be empowered to decide what’s best for them, not having those decisions imposed on them by London Govts who care nothing for them and never will.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Many Alba supporters? Aye right, many! 2% and falling

  134. Pogmothon says:

    You just can’t Colin.

  135. grizebard says:

    Wanted to catch up on the well-signalled Covid briefing today, but nothing on the ghetto channel but the usual video loop (is that all it’s fit for, if even the broadcaster won’t use it for anything actually purposeful when the need arises?) while on the servile channel a quick cutaway from press questions of the three professionals who truly know the score to a series of mini-PPBs from a bunch of truly useless know-nothings. What a waste of time & money from our state broadcaster.

    What price actual public service broadcasting, BBC?

    • grizebard says:

      Oh, will the BBC at least be pleased? (Since they’re not into that kind of thing anyway these days, it seems.)

  136. Petra says:

    Check out Gordon Ross / Davy McGuiness videos.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+IndyCar+Gordon+Ross+-+IndyTruck+Davy+McGuinness

    ……………………………………….

    ‘WATCH: Kate Forbes teaches Andrew Bowie a lesson about democracy.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19245982.watch-kate-forbes-teaches-andrew-bowie-lesson-democracy/

  137. Petra says:

    Tell that to the BBC (as if they didnae know already).

    ‘COVID-19 care home deaths in UK ‘hugely underestimated’.’

    ..”Official estimates from England and Wales have reported aggregated excess deaths by place of occurrence, however, they do not account for care home residents dying in other settings, such as in hospitals.”..

    http://www.healtheuropa.eu/covid-19-care-home-deaths-in-uk-hugely-underestimated/103989/

    ……………………………………

    ‘Scotland’s EU charm offensive.’

    http://www.politico.eu/article/scotland-eu-lobbying-push/

  138. Petra says:

    What’s Sarwar got to say about that?

    ‘Labour plotted to take Scotland’s North Sea oil.’

    ..”It was also suggested that Shetland’s leaders could be persuaded to stay with the remainder of the UK, along with their plentiful oil assets.”..

    ..”Further documents suggest John Smith, the future Labour leader, was a key figure in the covert campaign.”

    https://archive.ph/kfQVK

    ………………………………

    ‘Anas Sarwar shamed by Welsh Labour over independence referendum stance, SNP say.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19246126.anas-sarwar-shamed-welsh-labour-independence-referendum-stance-snp-say/

  139. Petra says:

    ‘BBC hit by flood of complaints over anti-indy bias in Leaders’ Debate.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19246941.bbc-leaders-debate-hit-flood-complaints/

    ………………………………

    ‘Alex Salmond’s plan for indy Scotland to join Efta is ‘fantasy’, says Alyn Smith.’

    ..”But Smith said the EU membership was the “best option”. He said: “Foreign policy is too important to bluff on or gamble with, and anyone proposing Efta or EEA membership needs to be honest about what those options, even if they were on the table, entail. They’re not halfway houses or available to join with a few tokens from a Frosties box, they are every bit as onerous to accede into as the EU but without all the advantages.”..

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19246935.alex-salmonds-plan-indy-scotland-join-efta-fantasy-says-alyn-smith/

  140. Petra says:

    ‘Divided Britain: North and south more estranged than Scotland and England.’

    http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/university-of-oxford-research-britain-divisions-7910034

    ………………………………

    ‘Northern Independence Party seeks to ‘have a voice like the SNP’.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19246895.scottish-yes-majority-massive-help-north-england-indy-party/

  141. Petra says:

    ‘South of Scotland marginals and reverse targeting.’

    ”We thought we would take a look at what is happening in the South of Scotland and what needs to be done to break that blue line along the border. So we will take it constituency by constituency. We have uncovered data that voters might find helpful in their decision to cast their votes in the days remaining as postal votes land on the doormat.”..

    https://newsnet.scot/commentary/south-of-scotland-marginals-and-reverse-targeting/

    ……………………………………………………

    Peter Bell’s bailing out.

    https://peterabell.scot/2021/04/20/betrayed/

    • Clydebuilt says:

      Petra @ 9.44am

      Another sleeper surfaces at a cruical time for the Union.

      Yesterday in the National we had another Winifred McArtney, explaining at length why it makes sense not to vote for the SNP at this time, hoping to make others do likewise.

      The National gave her letter prominence in their selection of articles of interest.

      Yeah we can wait till there’s another leader of the SNP, Boris Jonson won’t introduce laws making it impossible for Scotland to become independent, Holyrood won’t loose any more powers

      We’ll just wait another 5 years or whatever . . . . nothing bad will happen.

      • Petra says:

        Winifred McArtney? A WoS acolyte. A big fan of a man aged 53 who has lived in Bath, England for 30 years now. That alone should tell you something.

      • grizebard says:

        Makes you wonder what on earth The National is up to. Another token of its own ultra-left leanings, I fear, with the same-old same-old Nirvana-esque purity agenda to impotent insignificance. The rest of us don’t have that luxury.

      • Petra says:

        Oh and Peter Bell, Clydebuilt, the man who constantly demanded that everyone should support Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP whilst running them down to the ground on a daily basis in an attempt to turn everyone against them. Using a slightly different tactic from daftie from Baftie. So what’s changed now 15 days before one of the most crucial junctures in Scottish history? Nothing’s changed but he’s throwing in the towel. Aye right. Get it. Get you.

        • grizebard says:

          It has been quite a dual-personality experience from him for a while now. (I finally gave up when he began entertaining scurrilous btl comments that were entirely without substance. From whom exactly we can but wonder.) But to purloin an old saying:

          “S/he who persists wins”

          This has always been about who can most stand their ground, marshal the evidence, rally popular support and thereby prevail. This was never a game for lightweights. Reminds me of the motto of the Gordon Highlanders: “Bydand”. (“Abiding” = “Standfast” might be the nearest modern equivalents in English.)

    • Capella says:

      This confirms my suspicion that much of the rage directed at Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP is fueled by depression. We all understand the dire situation Scotland is in because of the very bad decision made 300 years ago by a few bribed lords. But impotent rage isn’t the answer IMO.
      Of course, the timing – a couple of weeks before a crucial election – is most likely engineered by unionist trolls.
      Stand up for your right to choose or be steamrollered by Westminster. Nothing dispels depression like meaningful action.

      • grizebard says:

        Isn’t it ironic that the ones now apparently giving up, or arguing that we shouldn’t vote for the only party who can move things forward and instead be content with another 5 years of mitigation hell, are formerly the most gung-ho, insisting that everything should happen instantly? Which does rather hint at some degree of personal instability, if nothing more organised.

        • Capella says:

          Quite – faulty thinking divorced from reality is an ideal breeding ground for manipulators. A majority for the SNP in May will dispel much of the gloom.

          • Ah, here we go.

            Bell is baring his soul, and is giving up.

            He bemoans the fact that life must go on while we head towards the UK Exit door.

            Bins must be emptied, speeding motorists pulled over and given a ticket, children must be educated, hospitals managed and staffed, folk must go to holes in the wall, and, as if by magic, and four numbers punched, money pops out of the machine, when a window smashes downstairs in the middle of the night, the police will come and make sure everyone’s safe, the stores will open, there will be food on the shelves, and worshippers of all faiths feel free and safe to gather and worship their supreme being.

            In short, even during these magnificent and life changing days on the road to independence, life goes on.

            There will be no storming of the Bastille moment, there will be no marching on the Winter Palace, there will be no 30 years and 3500 deaths of ‘The Troubles’, in Scotland’s fight for the right of Self Governance.

            Whether Bell, and Grouse Moor, and Campbell, and Barrhead Boy, and the rest, like it or not, the SNP has governed Scotland for the past 14 years, doing all the heavy lifting, facing up to attacks from all sides, not least of all the persistently nakedly vicious attack from the Brit Establishment, of all Tory hues, Blue Red and Yellow, and in Scotland itself, from an elite Jock Branch of the English Oligarchy in the shape of our Lairds, Banks, Commerce, the Esatblished Churches ( holler, ye may, but it’s true) and their propaganda Wing, the DeadTree Scrolls and the broadcasters, especially the BBC Stockade in Glasgow.

            We have had to live through Iraq, Blair’s Cool Britannia, PFI, sex scandals, corruption, nepotism, and threats, dragged out of the EU against our will, held under House arrest by an English Government, had the borders of 27 countries in our continent Europe closed to us more finally than a Berlin Wall, and lived through Brown, Farage, Cameron May and Johnson lying to us, threatening us, and stealing our rights, by implied threats and with the whole hearted support of the upper tiers of Scottish Oligarchy.

            Nicola Sturgeon, and the Scottish Government has to ‘keep the shop open’, actually govern Scotland as best they can, while steadily moving forward towards the inevitable now, independence.
            It is comin’ yet for a’ that.
            I wonder how many soft Nos and switherers would vote SNP 1 if the manifesto consisted of one lien, vote for me, and we’ll declare Independence tomorrow?

            None of these bloggers have been involved in the day to day business of running a country..but they all seem to know better than the rest of us how to transition from a Union to Independence..

            We are to take part in a Scottish General Election. Some Scots want to know what’s being promised by the Parties standing.

            Food shelter heat a job a future for our children are more important in the immediate days to all of us no matter our political persuasion.
            But not apparently to Robespierre Bell.

            The SNP is the only party which covers all aspects of governing a country, from Finance to Trident.
            We are voting on issues that affect every strand of government.

            Bell seems to wallow in his own self importance.

            He is merely one man who declares that he has given up, that he has left the SNP, and that by announcing this, he is so influential that the Independence Movement will falter and crumble to dust, on his say so.
            It takes quite an ego to believe that.
            In May, we shall vote. In May all this nonsense shall cease. we’ll know for certain where we stand…

            SNP 1 and SNP 2

            • iusedtobeenglish says:

              Good points!

              Plus, I’m not quite sure what he’s mourning. If, as seems the case, he recognises that YES is more than just the SNP, surely it’s the case that:
              1) Even with a majority, the SNP has a duty to provide for the needs of all Scotland including those who didn’t vote for them.
              2) To get Independence, IMNSHO, it needs to be in a form that takes everybody (preferably) with it.

              I do sympathise with his feeling that the fervour, the cut and thrust of the early days is missing. It must be for many of the long term members. In which case I can see why they perceive what’s happening at present as being too tame.

              OTOH, I don’t see any point in wasting all the energy, passion and effort of early campaigners, who got us where we are, to be wasted by getting the referendum but losing the vote. That’s my understanding of what NS has been saying.

              I’d say that this next stage requires a different tactic. I think it’s so sad that so many long-term campaigners seem to feel they have no place in the party they helped to build.

              Then again, I’m not affiliated to any party. So apologies if any of the waffle offends.

              • I too am not a member of the SNP, or any other party for that matter, ever.

                iutbe, we’ll get nowhere unless we take ‘sensible Scotland’ with us.
                The fringe groups from Marxists Leninists to Free Trade Market Forces Capitalists who are all represented in AUOB, will have their day once independence is realised, not before.
                I have observed before that the SNP party will declare ‘job done’ on Independence Day, and disband, or morph into a Scottish Democratic Party, or some such, probably left of centre, with the extreme wings to the left and right joining the newly formed ‘Labour Tory or Lib Dem’ Scottish Parties.
                Then the games begin.
                The first independent General Election will decide the make up of our first government in Free Scotland.

                Until then, as Lady Astor commented about sex, we should state but moderately our personal hope for Jock Nirvana ‘as long as it doesn’t frighten the horses’.

                The btl comments of the born again Salmond for President blogs tells us all we need to know…Sturgeon bashing Yoon trolls unmoderated by blog owners..

                they are doing the Brits job for them..and it seems inconceivable that they are not doing it deliberately…
                They have gone from being part of the solution to becoming part of the problem.
                That we are wasting energy here on The Doomed illustrates that the Brits must be more than happy to divertout attention from the fight.

    • Alec Lomax says:

      My conclusion is that he’s happy with Johnson in charge.

  142. Petra says:

    Adam Price:- ”We get ignored. At best treated with contempt. That changes the day that we elect a pro-independence Government because they will then realise that the terms of trade between Wales and Westminster have changed.” https://mobile.twitter.com/Adamprice/status/1384231194930286594

    …………………………………..

    ”That’s you telt too Ireland! Boris Johnson: No Border poll for ‘very long time to come’.”

    ”Boris Johnson has declared there will be no referendum on the reunification of Ireland for “a very, very long time to come”.”..
    https://mobile.twitter.com/weehalfpintt/status/1384284334522200064

  143. Petra says:

    ‘Brexit news – live: Boris Johnson told James Dyson he would ‘fix’ tax, as NI ‘would vote to stay’ in UK.’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-today-b1834930.html

    ………………………………….

    ‘Genocide and torture allegations excluded from new protections for overseas troops, in major U-turn.’

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/overseas-troops-uk-genocide-torture-b1834521.html

  144. Petra says:

    Check out Professor John Robertson’s latest articles.

    https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/blog-feed/

    And Ann’s latest links on the Indyref2 site.

    https://indyref2.space/forum/topic/links-wednesday-21-april-2021/

  145. Colin Alexander says:

    Today at 11 am ALBA Party Leader Alex Salmond will launch the ALBA Party #Manifesto in a speech from Ellon, Aberdeenshire.

    Watch from 11 am on:

    • Facebook.com/AlbaParty
    • YouTube.com/c/AlbaParty
    • Twitter.com/AlbaParty

    • Dr Jim says:

      I think pretty much every Scottish woman knows what Alex Salmond “stands for” and what ” I’m no angel sleepy cuddles” he lies down for, and who he *demands* be out of their jobs

      Facebook YouTube and Twitter that to women voters around the country

    • Petra says:

      It’ll be interesting to see what he’s done a U-turn on now. EU or EFTA, sterling or a new currency for Scotland, wanting independence negotiations to begin with Westminster in ‘week one’ of new parliament or not, it’ll all be a doddle but if not people should take to the streets to force BoJo to act (aye right), concerned about women’s rights (what a laugh) and complaining about the SNP’s 11 point plan when he authored a 649 page White Paper … to name but a few wee ‘anomalies’.

      He also waited for the SNP to release their manifesto and will no doubt just take a look at it, being the fly, lazy git that he is, and tweak it here and there to meet his own agenda.

      http://www.snp.org/manifesto/

      • Dr Jim says:

        A ringing endorsement by Bath’s Grand Mufti of the contents of Salmond’s manifesto as a document he might have written himself is an absolute guarantee that nobody will ever read it that doesn’t have to then force back the laughter once they have

        60% of Scotland made it very clear they wanted to rejoin the EU and made it abundantly clear they want the SNP to try to deliver that with an Independence referendum but genius Salmond and his cut price crew of National Socialists now tell those people in Scotland who voted against Brexit that he and his *party* have no intention of doing what the people want, so Salmond’s position is exactly the same as Boris Johnson’s, no backsies on Brexit because Salmond says no

        So Boris Johnson, Alex Salmond, what’s the difference? oh yeah Salmond says Scotland should be an Independent country with no say in Europe even though those good folks have invited us to have one, can you believe this guy?

        Of course that means the Grand Mufti of Bathistan has reversed his position on the EU an organisation he until recently extolled the virtues of

        Difficult to keep up with all these changes of positions from these fake people with their fake parties
        it’s no wonder they’re having difficulty getting above 2% in the polls

  146. Dr Jim says:

    Let’s talk about the SFP, who’s that when it’s at home you ask, well the SFP is the Scottish Family Party who have a rented office space in Bath street Glasgow but are actually a party, parties, or I think fake chancers from Southend on Sea where they get their leaflets printed and that you can’t seem to get in touch with, and they don’t seem to have a leader either, because what their information says is that a Mr David Brestwick is the person promoting this party with the very similar sounding SFP name to SNP with no email and no phone number that anybody answers, basically no nothing except a leaflet that will at some point fall though your door, I’ve been trying to contact Mr Bestwick for around half an hour this morning and he doesn’t seem to either exist or he’s hiding

    The Scottish Family party say there is a “Void in Scottish politics” which they’re here to fill, because as we probably all know the talk of the steamy in Southend on Sea (which is in Essex in England) is their deep concern over the “Void in Scottish politics”

    I’ve seen programmes on the Telly about Essex and the folk who live there, and with the greatest of respect to the residents of that place I’ve also seen and heard its most famous resident Joey Essex who thinks Wales is somewhere in Russia

    Beware folks the fake parties are on the move and it’s worth any amount of money to the Tories if they can remove any legitimate votes from Scottish parties ( we only have two) diluting the volume of votes cast for Scotland

    • Clydebuilt says:

      “Beware folks the fake parties are on the move”

      so are the fake supporters of Independence, Bell and McArtney.

  147. Dr Jim says:

    You know why I not only like and respect FM Nicola Sturgeon, because she’s not only accountable to Scotland’s voters and the most scrutinised public figure in Britain, she’s also accountable to her very well known family Mum Dad and nieces and nephews something that anybody who knows real Scottish women knows they would never embarrass or shame by wrong actions or bad behaviour

  148. Dr Jim says:

    Tory Adam Tomkins MSP wants his bosses in Westminster to use the same methods on Scotland that Madrid did to Catalonia

    Even if you’re not a supporter of Scottish Independence you should be very concerned about the kind of behaviour Westminster parties are exhibiting to tighten their grip on Scotland’s assets

    • raineach says:

      Madrid was in charge of the police, but London is not. London would have to use the army and I suspect that would give London more problems than solutions

    • grizebard says:

      A curious mirror-image world, since the Albanistas apparently also want to emulate Catalan premature self-extraction. Funny-peculiar how these supposed opponents do seem to agree!

    • Petra says:

      Tomkins conveniently forgets to mention that both Spain and the US have written constitutions. The UK, one of few countries in the world, has no such thing. The UK also managed to leave the EU so what on earth is he going on about?

      ‘Tory MSP says Scotland should be legally forced to stay in the Union.’

      ..”Tomkins, a law professor at the University of Glasgow, cited the example of Spain, where courts ruled it was unlawful for Catalonia to hold a vote on independence.”..

      ..”Tomkins also highlighted “even stricter” rules in the US.”..

      ..“Nationalists will howl with rage at this proposal. In response to them I would just gently point out that their beloved EU includes within its treaties a like provision.”

      http://www.thenational.scot/news/19249360.tory-msp-says-scotland-legally-forced-stay-union/

      ……………………..

      I’m also wondering what he’s planning to do next? What Westminster has lined up for him, because there’s no way that he’s going to disappear into obscurity.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Tomkins

      • Lord Tomkins of We Arra Peeple?

        He’s not stood down for nothing.
        This tiresome man stood in our constituency the last time, came in fourth, yet there he was, front and centre for five years….Why is this allowed?

        Because we are an occupied colony of England…

      • grizebard says:

        I wasn’t aware that the EU rigged its rules to prevent members leaving. I stand corrected by the Tory academic.

        So Brexit never happened, then. It was all just an SNP-inspired bad dream from which I shall wake up soon and find that everything is back just as it should be.

        (Is Tomkins taking big sniffs of the same fumes as Jack?)

    • yesindyref2 says:

      One of the things I like to do is turn things on their head.

      So Tomkins, a law professor and a constitutionalist a la “Notes from North Britain”, always an interesting read, asys this:

      For the last century the United Kingdom has regarded itself as a voluntary union of four home nations. Consent, rather than the force of law, has been the glue that has held us together.

      Which means he reaslises that the UK is held together by consent.

      The UK needs a new Act of Union to set out, authoritatively, the rare circumstances in which one part of the country can seek lawfully to secede.

      Which means there is nothing in the current Act of Union that PREVENTS Scotland “seceding”. So what hs is saying effectively, is that nothing in Law holds Scotland in the Union.

      Thanks for that opinion Prof Tomkins, I daresay you will be quoted if neccessary …

      • Petra says:

        I’m sure that Tomkins would prefer to have a written Constitution, yesindyref, but as that’s not going to happen, due in part to the differing legal systems, he’s opted to tinkering with the Acts of Union. But hey that’s not going to happen either 😀.

      • grizebard says:

        You’re right, but he’s saying more than that, he’s aiming to forge new “legal” chains that would keep us tied against our will.

        Who would decide, though, to impose these new constitutional shackles? The existing HoC can’t legitimately remove our inherent right to self-determination unilaterally. That would be a travesty. To be legitimate, it would require our explicit say-so, which means a referendum. Which in effect could also mean an indyref by default.

        This is the problem for Unionist theoretical constitutionalists. Any such attempt at monkeying to “improve” the “British” constitutional house of cards might only succeed in bringing the whole shoddy structure crashing down, and thereby destroy their precious Union. Which is why actual politicians are afraid to even touch the damned thing with a bargepole, relying instead on continued bluff and gaslighting, and never ever pushing their luck too far. But now we’ve pulled away the curtain, and we can see that it’s all a sham. Which is why those grumblers who persist in believing that Boris can keep “just saying no” are so fundamentally mistaken.

        As for Prof. Back-to-One-Job, he might rightly perceive the steadily-increasing danger to the Union, but there’s not a damn thing he can do about it. That’s democracy for you.

  149. Colin Alexander says:

    Alba Party manifesto: https://www.albaparty.org/where_we_stand

    • grizebard says:

      Yawn.

      It’s interesting though that while all the other recent passing trade has waned away, you persist. Which does at least reveal exactly how increasingly-desperately invested you are in trying to hinder the SNP.

      And there’s only one possible reason for that, Mr. Construct, as we all well know.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Jesus.

      I didn’t get past the third “ ‘A bit more’“.

      • grizebard says:

        Well, you know what is famously said, “less is more”, and Alba seem set to prove that saying in the limit…

        … of vanishingly less.

  150. Capella says:

    Delegates at STUC Congress have backed a motion stating that the Scottish Parliament should have the power to hold a referendum on Scotland’s future and should not require UK Government consent. https://twitter.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1384831145397866497?s=20

    • They’ll be withold donations to Sarwar’s Red Tory’s the.
      Thought not.
      If I were a TU member supporting Independence I’d demand that the STUC stop funding an English Party.

      • Tam the Bam says:

        You been on the wacky backy the nicht Jack..lol..take a look at yer first sentence.

        • Tam, I’ve been painting and plastering all day long. Had just popped on while the links grilled.

          Paint fumes and too much sun, I fear.

          • Tam the Bam says:

            ….all together now Duggers…” We believe you Jack!”

            • Then again, Tam, I sat through the Morton game the other night….
              Kinda felt obligated ‘cos you’re a Dugger..and me a Paper Hankie!

              I was repairing the water damage from my roof leak, and touching up the woodwork in my gang hut today, without a bunnet or mask.

              I had an Airfix glue giddy moment out in the sun, my nose two inches from the paint brush,as I painted the edging of my sanctum sanctorum free hand.

              Jack of all trades, by necessity.

              I vaguely recall a Sci Fi short story..probably Asimov, where a Super Computer is defeated as it attempts to take over the world, by the hero who keys in the message:

              ” I always lie, do not believe a word I say.”

              Enough to blow a person’s gasket, non?

              I missed Salmond’s Leap today.

              I was harvesting my belly button fluff, which I am storing in an acid Jar, until I have enough to weave into yarn, to knit a scarf for the coming Winter of discontent.

              Clearly I am delirious.
              Later.

              • malkymcblain says:

                Delirious and hilarious. How many can fit in the gang hut Jack?

                • AS many as poss once we’ve got the 11 gallon keg of Guinness and a gantry of spirits installed for the Euros, Malky.
                  I’m hoping for at least dry weather when we hump the Auld Enemy, so in the hope that social distancing has been scrapped in June, there should be quite a few.
                  All welcome, if you can get over.
                  I’ve got a wee Z bed for overnighters.

                  MY Everlovin’ insists on referring to MY gang hut as HER Summer House, but not when it comes to touch up maintenance jobs.

                  Grounds, don’t you think?
                  Keep safe, sir.

                  • malkymcblain says:

                    That Z bed Guinness and the ‘summer house’ sounds inviting Jack but unless Independence Day comes at the same time as the certain defeat of the auld enemy in the euros then I’d have to decline the kind offer. I’m saving the dollars for the Independence Day trip I’m hoping it’s late next year but once the referendum date’s announced then the tickets booked.

                    Grounds?? indeed it sounds like no contest however in this circumstance I would council to give some leeway and concur with your ever loving that it’s her summer house. The potential brownie points earned may be usefully redeemed during the euros celebrations and a decent portion of Guinness has been consumed.

                    All the best 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

      • grizebard says:

        The STUC as a body has always had a much more neutral view of independence, because it’s located in Scotland and seems to be fairly representative of the spectrum of the views of its membership. If only the Labour Party Northern Twig-not-Branch were to take the STUC as an examplar, and shed its self-destructive Unionist dogmatism, we would surely all be a lot better off.

    • Clydebuilt says:

      Unfortunately they will happily accept a 3rd option on the ballot. That greatly reduces the chances of a Yes win.

      • grizebard says:

        That’s the Labour ploy-du-jour. They still hanker for “devo-max”, though nobody actually knows what it means (since its real purpose, as you rightly observe, is mere deflection), and you can bet it would stay conveniently vague and eminently dispensible were we foolish enough to let it pollute the ballot.

        But we won’t. One dastardly Vow was already one too many. But I reckon that when it comes to the crunch, the STUC are decent enough to concede that.

  151. Capella says:

    Only two weeks to go to secure Scotland’s future.

  152. Alex Clark says:

    Even his own ministers know what Johnson and his government are all about.

    Ex veterans minister Johnny Mercer today blasted Boris Johnson’s Government as “the most distrustful, awful environment” where “almost nobody tells the truth”.

    Mercer was reportedly sacked by text after being summoned to see the Chief Whip, Mark Spencer, last night.

    Spencer told Mercer he had to resign there and then so as not to create any more fuss, and he’d “get a nice letter” from the PM if he did. Mercer told the Chief Whip to “f*** off”, and walked out.

    Ten minutes later, the Chief Whip texted Mercer to inform him that he had been relieved of his duties. The PM wrote him a nice letter anyway.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/johnny-mercer-government-army-ben-wallace-people-b930998.html

    • Macart says:

      The normalisation of the unacceptable. They’re kinda hoping that people become so jaded, so cynical, so inured to the practices of the political class, that they simply won’t give a wossiname. Not so long as the wheeze du jour doesn’t concern them directly.

      ‘Course there’s a flaw in that cunning plan.

  153. Dr Jim says:

    “In three weeks time we’ll be tabling a motion in the Scottish parliament”
    “I’ve no patience with people who say they want to wait until the pandemic subsides to get Independence, the pandemic could last for years”

    What’s wrong with both of those statements that Salmond just made?
    1 The Salmond party has no seats in the Scottish parliament to table so much as his breakfast at the moment, so that’s a large bucketful of typical Salmond arrogance, something most Scots dislike

    2 Once again the arrogance of not being in government means you can say whatever you like and never have to be responsible for the things you say unlike the current responsible FM who if she said any different to what she has said about the timescale ( first half of the next term of government) there’s every chance the public would turn on her plus every British media outlet would front page that as a statement of her arrogance by predicting herself as the winner and not caring about what people think until they’re asked

    One other little thing Salmond is crediting himself with, the filming of over 100,000 people outside the Scottish parliament was not in any way whatsoever down to anything he did, Salmond lost in 2014 and left Scotland with a broken and downhearted SNP and country, Nicola Sturgeon was the one left to rebuild and add 100,000 new members to what he crapped up, where was he in those years, did he offer to help then, no he didn’t and why not? well that one we know the legal answer to or could it be Nicola Sturgeon has now put Scotland on the verge of Independence and Salmond’s arrogance conceit and self publicising attitude mixed with his maniacal revenge to blame others for his own bad behaviour that he still refuses to apologise for demands to be a part of it

    I was merely annoyed with his fakery up till now, now I can’t stand the sight or sound of the man over this behaviour
    If Salmond really and truly wanted another Independence party to succeed he would have kept himself out of it

    Oh BTW the STUC support FM Nicola Sturgeon’s approach to Scottish Independence and have stated they don’t like Salmond or his methods

    • yesindyref2 says:

      I watched the STUC during Indy Ref 1, as a bellwether of how it could go with the Ref. They were sympathetic but critical. Basically they wanted more powers – Devo-Max – but were aware that was unlikely to happen, so weren’t far from Indy support. Their paper on Indy basically accepted sterlingisation for a few years, like 3 or 4, but that we couldn’t move on properly without our own currency.

      Their support for the SNP’s Indy Ref plan is important, and it doesn’t surprise me they don’t like Salmond, or his plans to demand negotiations start immediately on his say so. Clueless, and since he knows from the first Ref that the UK gov was not prepared then to pre-negotiate, cynically dishonest hoping we don’t remember how it was in the real world. Surely his supporters have better memories?

      Well, that was a rhetorical question, as some of his supporters are already crowing about how that would put the SNP on the spot, having to vote against a (pathetically ridiculous) motion by Alba.

      Meanwhile Salmond seems to be hands-on with the maniffesto, the launch and the PPB. That’s Handy.

    • Tam the Bam says:

      Methinks the Dr Jim doth protest too much.
      Allow the people to decide.

    • Petra says:

      I watched his PPB earlier and immediately thought that he looked totally jaded, more so debauched looking. He wasn’t popular with many women previously and I reckon that with polling results showing that he’s even more unpopular than the despicable BoJo, he’s not exactly in vogue with anyone at all now. Yesterday’s man.

      His attitude demanding independence right now, whilst this pandemic is ongoing, won’t go down well either and of course, par for the course, he has changed his tune once again taking into account that his final words outside of the High Court were along the lines of, ”I’ve got more to say about my case but that can wait due to the pandemic. God be with you all.” Pathetic, wee, self-serving hypocrite.

      AS held court throughout the PPB and then Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh stepped in to cover Women’s Rights, no doubt due to AS himself realising that it would be a step too far, would turn many a stomach, for him to bleat on about safe spaces for women.

      And yeah he used an AUOB march in an attempt to con people. Alex’s army 🤣. Remember people on WoS going on about NS not attending any of the marches? I don’t remember him attending any either. In fact as you say Dr Jim where has he been over the last 6 years plus? What has he done to further the independence cause? Nought.

      ”If Salmond really and truly wanted another Independence party to succeed he would have kept himself out of it.”

      And yet when asked if he wished to be First Minister again, he’s repeatedly said: “No I don’t even wish to be in government again.” So what’s that all about?

      The last straw for me was realising that he had hitched his wagon to the abominable Stu Campbell of all people. Is that a case of birds of a feather …, an obnoxious symbiotic relationship or of AS using the Reverend 👹 through sheer desperation to get himself out of an even greater black hole and that he’ll ultimately dump the gnaff from Bath when he no longer needs him? Whatever the case I’m afraid that my bubble has been burst between one thing and another. He’s, Alex Salmond, gone from hero to less than zero in my book.

      • grizebard says:

        “…where has he been over the last 6 years plus?” Well, indeed. Belatedly out of a tainted nowhere he jumps in with an off-the-peg outfit and suddenly demands our allegiance. Just because he’s him, it would seem. Unfortunately there are some, alas, who still believe the sun shines out of his posterior, but the vast majority of voters will remain unmoved by his attempt at electoral sleight-of-hand, and for exactly the reason you give.

        What has he actually done for me?

        As for that toxic nexus, I believe it’s actually Salmond who was making the running here, not the other way round. The SoB changed after they met up for that interview of his on Russia Today. And the SoB wasn’t the only blogger who was getting the conspiracy-theory Big Spin either, I reckon, and too many of them (our host being an honourable exception) were right saps for it.

        But the electorate are not so easily fooled, I reckon. In a fortnight we’ll see. But he’s no doubt already honing his excuses.

        • Petra says:

          ”And the SoB wasn’t the only blogger who was getting the conspiracy-theory Big Spin either, I reckon, and too many of them (our host being an honourable exception) were right saps for it.”

          The biggy of course was Campbell and Murray making out that they had inside information to the effect that Nicola Sturgeon was part of a female cabal out to get Eck jailed and then Eck himself quashed that myth after he (or a lackey) had used them 😀. Meanwhile the ”saps” or nasty, lying bastwards went on to gaslight as many independence supporters as possible in an attempt to turn them against Nicola Sturgeon / the SNP and in fact to scupper Indyref2. In the process they must have made Nicola Sturgeon’s life an absolute misery. A living hell because she wasn’t in a position to deal with the cowardly, bully boys and they knew it. But hey do they care? They should because they may find that their chickens will most definitely be coming home to roost in the very near future.

          Aye you have to feel heart sorry for Paul, between one thing and another, and that includes seeing other blog owners going off their bl**dy heads. I’m just hoping that Paul is getting a much needed rest and making great progress with his mobility and well-being overall. I was thinking of him and Peter today as I sat in the garden with the sun beating down and gazing up at a blue sky. Hoping that they were enjoying the day as much as I was. We’ve got 14 days to go now until the election (thank God) and I would reckon that following that some of the vindictive frenzy will abate, as there will be nothing more that anyone can do to get rid of Nicola Sturgeon then. On the other hand Nicola Sturgeon will, at that point in time, find herself in a position to ”do” something about ”them”. You know deal with all of the lies and defamatory statements that have been made about her over the last couple of years or so..

  154. Petra says:

    Ah canny count Baillie doesn’t know what’s reserved or devolved either OR she’s doing her usual lying and conning act.

    ‘Jackie Baillie accused of misleading voters on free TV licences for over-75s.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19248515.jackie-baillie-accused-misleading-voters-free-tv-licences-75s/

    ……………………………………………

    ‘BBC Reporting Scotland unable to rule IN a link with Covid outbreaks.’

    ”Headlining on Reporting Scotland today: A new report on patients discharged from hospitals into care homes at the start of the pandemic says it can’t rule out a link with Covid outbreaks. This is the sixth official report, to my knowledge, from such as the ONS and the health services in Scotland, England and Wales, to find no evidence that hospital discharges caused outbreaks in care homes and thus triggered the mass deaths there.”..

    https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2021/04/21/bbc-reporting-scotland-unable-to-rule-in-a-link-with-covid-outbreaks/

    ……………………………………………..

    I just watched Nicola Sturgeon being interviewed by Peston. On the ball and brilliant as usual. Roll on the 7th May when she can hopefully get a break … at long last.

    • grizebard says:

      Bailey knows fine. It’s a well-used Labour bluff to further confuse a public that was never too sure of the differences in the first place. It’s even those vile SNP upstarts’ fault that the Tory Party is in charge in London, innit?

      But of course they know what is reserved. During the Smith Commission negotiations, it was the VowMeisters themselves who insisted that all those nice shiny powers remained reserved. Even the FibDems and the Tories (yes, even the Tories back then!) were willing to concede more. But Labour badly needed to hold those back in order to harangue the SNP for not using them, didn’t they…?

  155. Petra says:

    Yeah it would make you sick grizebard, especially when you hear people like Sarwar, when being interviewed (last night), saying that NS should use the powers that she has to do something about the 25% of Scottish children living in poverty. In fact, he said it’s worse than that. One in two children in Nicola Sturgeon’s constituency are actually living in poverty. I turned the TV off then because I couldn’t bear to listen to him. if I’d been there I would have asked him about the powers that the Scottish Government doesn’t have to alleviate the situation, what he thought of the Labour party being complicit in hiding Scotland’s MASSIVE oil wealth and ensuring that as much as power as possible was left under the control of Westminster during the SC negotiations, including employment law and broadcasting (remember the wee phone calls to London and / or Brown). As you say the Labour Party showed their true colours then when they insisted that Scotland was left totally shackled to Westminster even more so than the Tories and LibDems demanded at that time. And they wonder why they, Labour, went right down the drain after that and yet they are still at it 🙄.

  156. Petra says:

    James Kelly should have stuck to dealing in analysis / facts. That’s where he made a reputable name for himself within the independence movement. What happened to his: ”a party led by a renowned individual like Salmond would do well.” That would make for Salmond having a ”big advantage”, would it not? But NO. Stop making excuses for him James. Worse still promoting him like the erse on WoS. Another blogger bites the dust, imo.

    ‘YouGov poll points to big pro-independence majority in the new Scottish Parliament.’

    ..”Alba 2% (+2).”

    ..”Unlike Alba, the Greens have had the big advantage of being included in the TV debates, and Patrick Harvie did particularly well in the STV debate and may have won over some new converts.”

    https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2021/04/yougov-poll-points-to-big-pro.html

    • yesindyref2 says:

      James will be back to normal after the election – as will we all! Well, most of us anyway. He makes an interesting and good point on his second-last blog post:

      Why do election campaigns boost No? It’s probably because the opposition parties come after the SNP on independence, but the SNP don’t respond in kind – they instead try to win on bread and butter issues. So the anti-independence vote gets fired up but the pro-independence vote does not.

      You can even see that on the Herald forum, where the Unionists are getting away with making ridiculous assertions unchallenged, as pro-indy posters are either too busy campaigning, or battering lumps out of each other 🙂

      • grizebard says:

        I see though James is still “whistling Dixie” over Alba’s latest dud rating of 2%. He seems to be hanging on to the fond hope that Salmond himself might outrate the average. (He would have to shift some!) Clearly Alba, even by JK’s reckoning, is a dog-and-pony show for the sole benefit of a single individual at best who hopes to use an evenly-balanced outcome of the election, if it happens, to his personal advantage. The rest of the party is basically cannon-fodder, there just to provide political cover, and eminently disposible.

        Maybe though the electorate in the region will also regard the individual concerned as eminently surplus to requirements.

        • yesindyref2 says:

          This is a very quick and dirty way of doing things, but looking at Greens in 2016m they cot 6.6% for the whole of Scotland regional vote, which breaks down:

          Central 4,7%, Glasgow 9.4%, H&I 7.2%, Lothian 10.6%, Mid & Fife 6.1%, NE 4.9%, South 4.7% and West 5.3%.

          So for that 6.6% average, you get Lothian at 10.6% as the highest. To get a regional seat you need 5% bare minimum, so that would be Alba at that sort of distribution, needing 6.6 * 5 / 10.6 = 3.1% for just 1 seat.. Nearest then is 9.4% = 6.6 * 5 / 9.4 = 3.5% overall needed for 2 seats – somewhere. After that it’s 7,2 so for a third it’s 6.6 * 5 / 7.2 = 4.6% needed overall.

          Only 2 polls – both Panelbase – put them above 3%, and that was for one, with a preliminary explanation “Salmond’s party”, and the second with questions first about Salmond. So neither of them straight VI polls.The current one is 2%, and the highest of the others rounded up was 3%.

          In the words of Private Frazer, if that keeps up, “They’re dooomed, doomed”.

          • grizebard says:

            This is a dynamic situation besides. As ordinary people note those persisting 2-3% results, they begin to realise that it’s a pig that just won’t fly, and grasp the real meaning of a “wasted vote”. And thus it all implodes. “Anti-momentum”, if you like.

            There will always be the dedicated fans who will vote regardless, not least with this particular adventure, but if that’s how things develop, 2% will be looking more like a past high water mark, and they might be lucky to end up with a few hundred votes in any region.

            The “David Owen Exit” then beckons…

      • Statgeek says:

        Simply put? Because the parties have uninterrupted support from the national broadcaster. Pick a day. Any day. Scan the Scottish politics news articles. Almost never SNP-good, and if there is, it’s gone in hours, while SNP-bad ones stay for days.

  157. malkymcblain says:

    If someone’s already shared this then apologies. However if you haven’t seen it yet…it’s a beezer!

  158. Alex Clark says:

    The Times article with the Yougov poll showing a majority of two for the SNP.

    https://archive.ph/unD4S

    The Scotsman Poll by Savanta Comres has the SNP two short of a majority.

    https://archive.ph/KzxVr

  159. Alex Clark says:

    Nicola Sturgeon’s interview from last night with Robert Peston as referred to by Petra earlier.
    Starts at 23:15 and lasts around 8 mins. You don’t need a twitter account to watch.

  160. Petra says:

    Andrew Learmonth:- ”However, they’ve (STUC) rejected “the pursuit of a super-majority for independence in the next Parliament through tactical manoeuvring.” They say this would “undermine the sovereignty of the Scottish people who remain broadly divided on the question of independence.” https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewlearmonth/status/1384831145397866497

    ………………………………..

    ”ALBA: 0 (=).”

    ”Election Maps UK:- ”Holyrood Nowcast (21st April):” https://mobile.twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1384887853033865219

  161. Petra says:

    Worth a read.

    ‘Alba : Quo Vadis?’

    ..”Not soon afterwards Mr Salmond had changed his mind about “helping the SNP” and stated Alba’s job in the next Holyrood Parliament “would be to hold the SNP’s feet to the fire”. In most normal people’s minds that looks a pretty aggressive statement for a party whose initial line was “helping the SNP”…

    ..”Then there is the small issue of where is Alba getting its funding from?”..

    http://tarffadvertiser.blogspot.com/2021/04/alba-quo-vadis.html

    ………………………………

    Tomkins in the Spectator.

    ‘Why we need a new Act of Union — and what to put in it.’

    ..”The United Kingdom is perfectly entitled to take to the law to defend itself.”..

    https://archive.ph/qohWo#selection-307.0-307.78

    • grizebard says:

      Tompkins inadvertedly exposing in the Tory house journal the reality of the Union and the Scottish Conservatives part in it – a rump of privileged unrepresentative ne’er-do-wells who are utterly dependent on England for any and all their undeserved influence here. It will be quite a shock for these false democrats when they come up against the will of the people of Scotland and the ultimate indifference to their plight of their would-be masters in England.

      After independence they will finally have to live up to their own professed beliefs and sink or swim by their own efforts alone.

  162. Jacksg says:

    Afternoon folks,

    I don’t give a rats arse anymore about Alex Salmond and his Scottish version of UKIP. Any brain melts who vote for that mess needs their head looked at.

    Anyway, its a lovely sunny day and I am off to the post box to send my postal vote for both votes SNP 😀

    Come on Nicola YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU.

  163. Petra says:

    Some brass neck, eh?

    ‘Labour’s women’s manifesto branded ‘shabby’ in row over equal pay pledge.’

    The council leader (Susan Aitken) added: “Now, don’t get me wrong, raising the funds for the settlement was challenging, and it’s not finished yet… but to try and deflect from the role and the injustice that was done by Labour in Glasgow, by trying to say that it’s somehow the Scottish Government’s responsibility or the rest of Scotland’s responsibility to pick up the bill, is a bit shabby.”..

    http://www.holyrood.com/news/view,labours-womens-manifesto-branded-shabby-in-row-over-equal-pay-pledge

    ………………………………

    Dr Philippa Whitford:- ”As Chair of @APPGVaccination I asked PM to promise to honour UK Gov’s funding commitment to Global #PolioEradication Initiative. Spoiler alert – he didn’t! Any resurgence of this hideous disease would be tragic.” https://mobile.twitter.com/Dr_PhilippaW/status/1384843006969319428

  164. Petra says:

    I hope that wee Ingerland has been working on a roadmap in relation to standing on it’s own two feet for once. Maybe Tompkins could help them out with that?

    ‘A roadmap for a United Ireland.’

    ”A new paper setting out a detailed roadmap for achieving a united Ireland has been unveiled this week at Cambridge University.”

    http://www.politics.co.uk/video/2021/04/21/a-roadmap-for-a-united-ireland/

    ………………………………………..

    ‘Here’s who is on the BBC Question Time election special tonight.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19251700.bbc-question-time-election-special-tonight/

  165. Petra says:

    ‘Two new polls predict pro-independence majority at Holyrood election.’

    ”Only 1% of voters said they plan to vote for Alex Salmond’s Alba Party, which would leave it without a single MSP elected.”

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19250696.new-poll-predicts-snp-lose-majority-holyrood-election/

    …………………………………

    ‘Lesley Riddoch: Independence is our escape route from elections like this one.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19249838.lesley-riddoch-indyref2-way-past-election-limbo-scotland/

  166. Petra says:

    Check out Professor John Robertson’s articles on:- https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/blog-feed/

    And Ann’s latest links on the indyref2 site:- https://indyref2.space/forum/topic/links-thursday-22-april-2021/

  167. Dr Jim says:

    This Salmond party super majority nonsense is just that, nonsense, but it’s also sleekit bad politics, and the main reason for not voting for such a thing is that there may be thousands of people who like the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon’s governance but may not want their vote used for Independence fraudulently as that would deny them their right to vote for or against in a legitimate referendum on the subject, so for Nicola Sturgeon to embrace Salmond’s plan would not be democratic and in fact just be as bad as Boris Johnson’s dictatorship which is what Salmond seems to be suggesting he wants to do, the result possibly being not only do you not win the election because people might be afraid of casting their vote for something other than normal governance thereby eliminating your own chances of holding a referendum because you didn’t win enough votes

    Why has Salmond gone down this road of denying people a fair referendum by pursuing his plan?
    could it be that he hopes enough people *think* the SNP would adopt this plan and not vote for them at all thus reducing their popular vote even more than his already unpopular attempt at political trickery that appears like bulldozer politics

    Call me cynical or call the super majority plan crooked politics, but what it isn’t is a plan to win a referendum on Independence, people for the most part aren’t stupid, it’s sleekit and I hope the electorate see through it and kick this guy to the kerb so we can get on with doing the thing fairly and properly so the international community recognise Independence to be achieved by true democracy and not some back door con trick which they wouldn’t support and Westminster would without doubt mount a legal challenge on and most likely win scuppering any hopes of a future referendum by giving them time to demolish Scotland under piles of new legislation that they’d be bound to cook up lasting an eternity

    Again call me cynical but could it be that Salmond does not want Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP to win the election at all? My belief is that that is a lot closer to the truth than this convoluted drivel he’s trying to sell under the guise of *helping*

    One wonders just what character of a person thought up a scheme like this, I reckon it just won’t **Fly** no matter how big its *wings* stretch

    • Petra says:

      ”One wonders just what character of a person thought up a scheme like this.”

      Sleekit, as you say.

    • jfngw says:

      Not only a bad plan but a dangerous plan, it has opened the ‘super majority’ can of worms that the unionist will try and jump on. I can see them pushing the Alba independence super majority as the requirement for a referendum. ‘Political genius’ or ‘political arsehole’, take your pick.

  168. grizebard says:

    I see JK@SGP doubling down on his fond hope that Alex Salmond can save Alba from total ignominy. It’s gone from a “supermajority” to “if there’s just one I’ll have been vindicated”. Well, James, you don’t save independence by squeaking a single MSP, if that’s your highest ambition.

    At least he hasn’t gone off the deep end though about making it SNP in the constituencies. Like him, I can see Glasgow Kelvin going to Labour as Patrick Harvey splits the anti-Unionist vote, just like Alison Johnstone did for Ruthie last time. If that happens we can at least in part thank those shouty Albanistas who have clearly given up on their once-professed aim to “support the SNP”.

    The constituencies are elected on the highly-unstable FPTP just like WM, and cannot be taken for granted, as the “supermajority” lie pretends. Consequently, I don’t think I can in good conscience vote Green in the Glasgow list as I had previously intended.

    • Petra says:

      Experiment? That’s exactly what this is, or worse still (based on revenge), and could lose us an SNP majority. One that looked as though it was a shoo-in, as per all forecasts, before Salmond appeared on the scene following his 6 year stint in the wilderness. Some people, that I previously admired, seem to have lost the bleeding plot 🙄 .

      ‘Alba affirmed.’

      ..”The reality is that the Alba experiment will have been a success if there’s at least one Alba seat in the new parliament.”..

      https://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2021/04/alba-affirmed.html

      • Alex Clark says:

        Such a view can only be described as “deluded”, the reality is very different when you’re not looking at it through rose tinted glasses.

      • grizebard says:

        Yes. Those are the very comments that also caught my attention. The Salmond interventions (plural) have done nothing but cause harm to the cause of independence. Easy meat for the BritNat media to latch on to, even if it wasn’t the decapitation they were all so very desperate to get. And all so stupid when a tangible success was right within grasp, and all because of the insatiable egotism of one man and a bunch of starry-eyed camp followers.

        Now I worry at the next piece of Salmond-inspired harm that may ensue from the mutual finger-pointing that could well follow the result.

      • Clydebuilt says:

        the reality is that the “Alba Experiment ” will have been a success if there’s at least one Alba seat in tye the parliament,

        and there is not a majority for independence.

        • yesindyref2 says:

          Mmm, it is bringing unionists and Indy supporters together in perfect harmony, in increasing outrage at Salmond’s efforts to get special treatment, for instance as a leader of a new unknown minority list only party, when there are another 20 or more such parties scattered around Scotland with, democratically just the same rights as Alba to be on TV in a “Leader’s debate”.

          • Petra says:

            I see that’s being covered on ”another site”, yesindyref2, and includes the following comment: ”However, they are no longer a law unto themselves and I am grateful to Ofcom for convening an emergency meeting (23rd May) of their Election Committee to consider BBC coverage or more accurately, lack of coverage of ALBA. It is much appreciated that Ofcom have responded so quickly in fulfilling their responsibilities to ensure fair and balanced coverage of the Scottish campaign.”…

            i wonder who enabled this meeting to be held tomorrow? And as you say why should Alex Salmond and Alba be treated any differently from countless other list parties? His arrogance and sense of entitlement knows no bounds. Then again desperation must be setting in as he considers the polling results. Little does he know that the more one sees of him the less likely it’ll be for viewers to support him.

        • grizebard says:

          And there you touch on the Achilles heel of the “get indy quick gold-rush mentality”. Even if you could distort the electoral system somehow – and that’s extremely doubtful – to win a majority of pro-indy seats in Holyrood, the very nature of that win virtually guarantees that there is no natural majority for indy in a referendum thus so recklessly achieved.

          If you have to fix the votes to get a referendum, what possible chance of winning the referendum itself?

          I have consistently argued that with the BritNat stranglehold over the media, it is only with a referendum campaign that the case for independence can be fairly made and gains achieved. I have never signed up with the “60-percenters” who would apparently wait forever. But this Gadarene rush is taking things too far, and diverting precious effort and attention besides. Whatever background issues may be driving this counterproductive madness can wait. And I say this as a member of no party.

          On the other hand, if the country is truly getting ready to take history by the scruff of its scrawny neck, it should be possible for the SNP on all our behalf, by dint of commanding the support of over half the voters, not only to win an election resoundingly for all to see both at home and abroad, but also to launch a referendum in fairly quick order thereafter that we have every prospect of winning. Which is supposedly what we all want, no…?

      • Legerwood says:

        Petra,
        His ‘years in the wilderness’ were his choice and it was a choice that pretty well ensured that any way back would be long and obstacle strewn.

        In 2017 he lost his seat as an MP that he won in 2015. If his knowledge and political acumen was all that his followers claimed for him then he should have known that there would be another general election along within a short space of time. Mrs May had called an unnecessary election, lost the Tory majority which meant cosying up to the DUP and shown herself to be a woeful campaigner. Anyone with an ounce of political nous would have known the Tories would get rid of her, elect a new leader and call an election.

        At that point in 2017 he could have chosen to write his autobiography then toured the studios etc promoting it thus keeping himself in the public eye ready for the next election.

        Instead he authored his own political demise by his association with RT. This has already been an issue when he is interviewed in this election. Not one he has handled well.

        Posted my votes – SNP 1&2.

  169. Jacksg says:

    My postal vote has now been sent.

    I also swithered about giving my vote to the Greens but I wanted the candidate on the constituency list to represent us and also want Nicola as FM. So it was a no brainer both votes SNP. 😀

  170. uno mas says:

    An article I read in The National today raised a wry smile.

    Apparently the Old Firm are to be “welcomed” in to any new British super league now that Boris has championed the nation´s footy fans and has prohibited any fanciful notions of a European Super League which is strange as Rangers and Celtic have been treated as social pariahs by the English football establishment for the past fifty years.

    Whether the story is true or not is a moot point however if so then you can guess that the establishment has had a word in the ear of representatives of the F.A. in England and they have been told that a new British League which includes the top two Scottish clubs would be looked on favourably by the powers that be.

    The aim of this new British competition would of course be to Britishify (a real word!) Scotland’s top two teams and therefore create another impediment should any separation of Scotland from RUK occur.

    This is similar to the argument that the Spanish use against the fans of Barcelona F.C. that in the event of Catalan independence then La Barca would be forbidden from taking part in La Liga and instead would have to compete in a Liga Catalan.

    Fanciful nonsense of course as the sponsorship cash and prestige they would take with them would cripple La Liga.

    Still in doesn´t stop them repeating the claim ad infinitum and likewise I don´t think there is any likelihood that the English would relish the arrival of the Old Firm in their league.

    You´ve got to hand it to the Brits though, they’re up to all the dodges as my old gran used to say.

    • raineach says:

      I suspect when as a result neither old firm side wins any trophies at all, coming at best 6th in the league they’ll change their minds

    • Petra says:

      ‘Boris Johnson ‘backs British Super League to stop Scottish independence’.’

      ..”The paper reports: “And while PM Boris Johnson launched into the Super League debate by insisting he would throw every possible obstacle in the way of the changes, the prospect of including Rangers and Celtic in a cross-border UK league would be a potential factor in the fight against the proposed second Scottish independence referendum. “Ibrox and Parkhead supporters, excited at the prospect of locking horns with England’s big guns, might be tempted to strengthen resistance against the SNP-led breakaway plans.”..

      http://www.thenational.scot/news/19252741.boris-johnson-backs-british-super-league-stop-scottish-independence/

  171. Rab1942 says:

    Independence #7:

  172. Hamish100 says:

    Thanks.

    Very good -again.

    Ot – On another site. Independence has been taken over by “pronouns”! How weird life can be. Personally, I’m a verb type of person. Is that an adjective? I’m away for ma tea. I voted last week.
    SNP 1 & 2.

  173. Petra says:

    Thanks for the link Rab. Jamie Jauncy is a REAL credit to the independence movement.

    I see that he’s not too keen on Alba. Surprise, surprise.

    https://donrobertoandme.com/

    https://donrobertoandme.com/the-back-story/

  174. Clydebuilt says:

    Greens standing in Constituencies

    It isn’t just Patrick Harvie standing in Glasgow, there’s 10 or 12 standing in other Constituencies.

  175. Dr Jim says:

    George Galloway PPB made a great case for Scottish Independence by pointing out all our shipbuilding was gone by stupidly trying to blame the SNP and for other industries that have disappeared, funny thing about his slogan though, Galloway says he wants to *supercharge* Scotland’s parliament while Salmond wants to *supermajority* it

    I await with baited breath the next Unionist party who wants to do something *Super* to Scotland while blaming Nicola Sturgeon for not trying to *super* Scotland, again the funny thing about accusing the SNP of trying to do harm to Scotland when that makes no political sense whatsoever, because if you’re a political party who is sure to win the election surely you have to try to do what you said you would or nobody would vote for you again unlike those who are going to lose can say any damn thing they want because they already know they’re not going to have to even try

    I received my quota of SNP leaflets to be delivered tomorrow from my buddy an SNP councillor today and asked him about the Salmond and Galloway super shenanigans and I can tell you that everything that people suspect about these goings on is right, it’s scabby nasty and let’s just say pretty vile from these people who most thinkers can’t separate the two from each other, they’re both on a mission to bring down the FM

  176. Capella says:

    Great links Petra as usual/thonking about Adam Tomkins assertion:

    Tomkins in the Spectator.

    ‘Why we need a new Act of Union — and what to put in it.’

    ..”The United Kingdom is perfectly entitled to take to the law to defend itself.”..

    https://archive.ph/qohWo#selection-307.0-307.78

    The real problem is the age old problem – he uses “UK” when what he really means is “England”.

    ”England is perfectly entitled to take to the law to defend itself.”

    There – much clearer.

    • Petra says:

      ”England is perfectly entitled to take to the law to defend itself.”

      That’s it in a nutshell, Capella.

  177. Alex Clark says:

    I have just downloaded the latest poll results from the Savanta/Comres poll. You will not believe this but this poll has 11 pages of questions in the contents section and in total it is…wait for it.

    The released poll results are 574 pages long!!!

    Hahaha a cynical bloke might think they were trying to hide something 🙂

    https://comresglobal.com/polls/scottish-elections-tracker-21-april/

  178. Legerwood says:

    CH4 news tonight. It was Anas Sarwar’s turn for the hot seat and it was hot. I think Ciaran Jenkins is really enjoying himself

    Will post the link once CH4 news puts the interview on their web site.

    • James Mills says:

      Yes ! Jenkins basically called Sarwar a liar after he ‘fact-checked’ one of his answers – Care Home Deaths – which Sarwar claimed to have warned the SG about when transferring patients back to their Care Homes from hospital .
      About time someone checked Sarwar’s ”facts”!

    • Petra says:

      Sarwar in fact shown to be an out and out liar, Legerwood 😀.

      On the other hand he’s never off of the television now and isn’t given such a hard time elsewhere. I just wonder if it’s got something to do with him challenging Nicola Sturgeon in Glasgow Southside. BBC etc giving him a wee helping hand.

      He’s on Question Time right now but I can’t be bothered watching, as he’s there along with Keith Brown, DRoss, Rennie, Lorna Slater and of course Fiona Bruce. Keith Brown will no doubt be attacked from all sides, as I’ve noticed Lorna Slater going for the SNP jugular recently.

  179. grizebard says:

    O/T After another of these pesky near-weekly systematic glitches back up, the number of people in hospital with Covid has finally dropped under the 100 mark (for the first time since end-September last year), and the steady rate of decline remains a halving every ~17 days. In this period of public service abdication from the BBC, is it so soon already that we have forgotten that this blessed recovery is down to the good stewardship of the Scottish Government under the leadership of Nicola Sturgeon, and no-one else?

    Deserving of due recognition, wouldn’t you say? For all the industrial-strength media diversionism, who else can you possibly imagine doing the same?

  180. jfngw says:

    I would like to express my heartfelt apology, in the past I have referred to the similarity between George Galloway and Ronald Villiers, I can only hope Mr Villiers will accept this apology for the deformation of his character.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      🤣

    • grizebard says:

      He gave Sarwar a relatively easy ride, IMO.

      OK, at the tail end Jenkins stuck on a qualifier to declare that Sarwar was dissimulating (ie. lying) about his “statements” on care homes at the beginning of the pandemic, but the C4 not-so-diligent interviewer conveniently overlooked statements issued by others in Labour (Lennon?) at the time who were demanding the very reverse! LibLabCon are U-turn central on this among other matters, and Jenkins somehow hasn’t noticed?

      As for the Northern Twig-not-Branch “policy” on nukes (or anything else), any half-wit can see that Sarwar is pathetically claiming to have autonomy where he has none, as ex-manager Lamont revealed as she quit. Nothing has changed since, and – mind this well, folks! – it never will. It’s a shabby pretence, just like their devolution.

      The devolution that Sarwar admitted in passing was regarded by some as just a decoy tactic (though not him, honest, nosirree!). Some? Now, which party would they be in, d’ye think? Take a quick guess! Yet they have others (well, Federal Broon and Henry McLeish if no-one else) who are un-busily trying to sell us a souped-up version of the miserable thing.

      Sarwar is the ideal NorthBritLab leader; think of all the negative traits the party has exhibited over the last decade or so, and sure enough, he represents every single one of them.

    • Hamish100 says:

      Thanks. He doesn’t want nuclear weapons to move 300 miles south. Too dangerous no doubt. Let’s keep them 30 miles from Scotlands largest city and surrounding areas. Pity that a nuclear sub wasn’t coming out of its base as he was talking as it would have been a nice backdrop.
      Labour- keep nuclear weapons in Scotland, send your kids to fee paying schools like daddy ( applies to labour leaders only), lie over COVID stats and say I don’t want to make an issue of it. Of course not.
      Labour lies for the tories and keeps England rich and safe.Thanks Scotland.

  181. yesindyref2 says:

    Here is a data file of when, apparentlyh, each constsotuency can expect the result to be announced and who cares about smelling mishtooks?

    https://static.dwcdn.net/data/IOWIs.csv

    Basically Friday or Saturday!

  182. Petra says:

    If that was my constituency I would be delighted to vote for Mairi Allan 😀. Another Kate Forbes 😉.

    ‘SNP’s Mairi McAllan dismantles Unionist argument against indyref2.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19252408.snps-mairi-mcallan-dismantles-unionist-arguments-indyref2/

    ………………………………………..

    ‘Mairi McAllan: Meet the SNP Holyrood candidate for Clydesdale.’

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/18871198.mairi-mcallan-meet-snp-holyrood-candidate-clydesdale/

  183. Petra says:

    ‘Anas Sarwar hit with ‘hypocrisy’ claim over sons’ private schooling.’

    ”ANAS Sarwar has failed to deny he is a “humbug and hypocrite” for privately educating his children despite his party’s manifesto saying fee-paying schools exacerbate social injustice.”..

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19251907.anas-sarwar-hit-hypocrisy-claim-sons-private-schooling/

    …………………………….

    Fingers crossed that Nicola Sturgeon won’t have to form a coalition with the Greens at all.

    ‘Scottish Greens hint at red lines for potential coalition with SNP.’

    ..”The Scottish Greens would have to resolve “challenging issues” with the SNP if they are to enter into a formal coalition, Patrick Harvie has said.”..

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/19251265.scottish-greens-hint-red-lines-potential-coalition-snp/

    • Dr Jim says:

      Some people are fearful of voting SNP because of Salmond’s plan not to have a referendum and don’t want their votes used as a tool for Independence without any consultation

      I think it must be time for Nicola Sturgeon to tear Salmond apart publicly on this deliberate tactical smear by suggestion that she would agree to such a thing

      Pete Wishart says that Salmond’s numbers are going down but he doesn’t care about that as long as he can drag the SNP down because that’s what his plan has always been

  184. Petra says:

    ‘IndyCar Gordon Ross – Tory Tomkins wants to keep Scotland part of the Union by Force of Law.’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeAY84Yr53k

    ………………………………..

    ‘SHOCK: Scotland NOT lagging behind on vaccinations!’

    ”Scotland 98%.”

    https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2021/04/22/shock-scotland-not-lagging-behind-on-vaccinations/

  185. jfngw says:

    Is it about time we stop giving the BritNats the ‘splitting the union’ narrative. Maybe we should be talking about Democracy for Scotland rather than just independence, after all that is what we are really after, a government elected by the people of Scotland. Independence is the only way to achieve democracy, we should try and instil this idea on the waverers.

    I see my spell checker wants to change ‘Britnats’ to ‘Brickbats’, maybe that is a better description of them, nothing but critical remarks and comments.

  186. Dr Jim says:

    Keep an animal in a cage for all of its life then open the door, it’s too frightened to leave

  187. Clydebuilt says:

    Ch4 Ciaran Jenkins interviews Anas Sarwar”

    A must watch . . . . Sarwar states he spoke out at beginning of pandemic against moving patients from hospitals to care homes, Jenkins was suspicious “did you ” After interview CJ says he contacted Labour about this claim , they were unable to point to one single example to back up Sarwar’s claim.

    AS started off interview claiming that Scotland had worse care home death rate in whole of Europe, CJ points out excess date rates in 4 home nations, where Scotland were 3rd highest. . . . AS floundered , didn’t want to get into Stastistics / numbers.

    • Dr Jim says:

      All they’ve got is hindsight politics, then attempt to deny they were there yet insisting they were complaining about everything

      Anas Sarwar is a professional inveterate liar no different to Boris Johnson

  188. Dr Jim says:

    Remember over on Wings school for Trolls when he daily blamed the UK government for their biased media in Scotland, the same tactic is now used against the SNP, apparently it’s Nicola Sturgeon’s media and everything that was controlled by Westminster is run by Scotland’s FM to deny Scotland Independence, she’s the *Baddie* in the lessons in his school for Trolls

    I’ve been following politics very much longer than the clown from Bath but I have to say I’ve never come across someone this ugly before even right back in all my 72 years who employs the tactics of a Taliban style Jehadi to indoctrinate the followers then send them out into the Twitter sphere to commit social media bombing carnage

    Politics is a pretty cruel and fickle business at the best of times but what Campbell and Salmond are now engaged in, while not likely to be long lasting will have a reckoning to it
    MP Joe Cox was murdered using a similar type of people manipulation and we all remember that but I don’t see the folks of Scotland being fooled much into being so stupid as to behave like that, more likely the reckoning from the folks in our country will end up coming back on those who are behind this campaign of hate

    They hope to win politics using this, I think they will personally lose a lot more by the time this is over even if they think they’ve succeeded, you don’t get found out to be the enemy of a country and get away with it, there are angry people on the side of the *goodies* too

    • Old Pete says:

      Well written Dr Jim, I agree with all of your post.
      SNP 1 and 2 in Southern Scotland.

    • jfngw says:

      They insult you, they tell you, you are to stupid to understand the list vote system, they trash Scotland’s reputation, they have a tantrum the list vote ballot paper has ‘Vote for Nicola Sturgeon as FM’, the exact same wording as AS used in 2011. Their leader more or less stated Scotland was a failed state, obviously only since he stopped being, leader or was he just doing the groundwork.

      This is the Alba party and it’s supporters. I vote SNP 1 & 2 because that’s what I want to do, I won’t be fooled by some ‘supermajority’ pish so some failed leader can get his bum back in a seat and nose back in the trough.

      Unfortunately blogger JK has now lost all his credibility, he has become a mini-me wings type Alba promoter.

  189. Capella says:

    Prof Robertson has debunked this care home death smear for the “more than umpteenth time”.

    https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2021/04/22/the-death-of-truth-how-we-gave-up-on-facts-and-ended-up-with-the-herald/

    These attempts to undermine the Scottish government’s effort to protect us from this virus are despicable. This is the worst public health threat of our time. Thousands have died. We have to know the truth about how this virus is transmitted in order to prevent transmission. Lying about any aspect of the Covid 19 pandemic costs lives.

  190. Capella says:

    A letter from Mark Frankland, a New Scot living in Dumfries who runs a food bank. He wrote to Lisa Nandy last January following her outrageous statement that Westminster should deal with us Scots as Madrid dealt with the Catalans. Well worth a read a year on. https://twitter.com/babybropatto/status/1385183823072317446?s=20

    • Dr Jim says:

      I think they have a legal problem with trying this on Scotland because the Police in Scotland aren’t directly under the control of Westminster and police by consent so they might be stuck with using the military and that’s a very dangerous choice for them internationally, very bad optics there and a last straw very temporary reprieve even if they dared to try it

      It would for sure lead to all the stuff they really don’t want and probably cause Northern Ireland and even Wales to start jumping up and down as well

      • Capella says:

        Yes – Lisa Nandy obviously regards England and the UK as one and the same entity.

        WE are the UK. The UK is a union of two kingdoms, Scotland and England. If we decide to leave the union then the UK no longer exists.

        Robert Peffers spelt it all out.

    • Petra says:

      A great letter from Mark Frankland. I don’t suppose he received a reply? 😀

  191. Clydebuilt says: