Yesterday’s man with yesterday’s answer

The Gordosaur has been at the interventions again. That’s two in the space of a week, so he’s obviously getting as rattled as a pair of Maracas on ¡Mira Quien baila! which is the Spanish version of Strictly Come Dancing. It’s getting to the point where his friends and family will need to mount an intervention to help wean him off his intervening.

Things are definitely changing. Even the right wing Brexity Spectator magazine has published its first pro-Scottish independence article in its 190 year history meaning it has only taken it 190 years to write about an idea that has been around since about the year 840, when according to legend the king of Dalriada, Kenneth Mc Alpine, invited The Pictish nobility to dinner and served them a stabbing and not the tiramisu they’d been expecting for dessert, thus creating the independent Kingdom of Scotland. so it’s only taken the Tory current affairs magazine 1200 years to catch up. There’s that cutting edge Conservative thought for you.

Anyway,in his latest Broontervention Gordie warned that unless something drastic happened, the UK would be consigned to the history books within ten years, and he said that like it was a bad thing. Comments which were received by supporters of independence like what he said was a bad thing because we are all hoping that it will all be over in considerably fewer than ten years.

The drastic action that Gordie was referring to is the dead horse he keeps flogging about federalism and radical change to what passes for a British constitution. That would be the radical reform that he himself vowed to the people of Scotland would be introduced and implemented within two years of a no vote in the 2014 referendum.That was when Gordie swore that he personally was going to hold the feet of the leaders of Labour the Conservatives and the LibDems to the fire in order to ensure that the promise of federalism was kept.But the second that the no vote was delivered Gordie buggered off and couldn’t even be bothered to ensure that his own party honoured his promises, he sat back and said nothing while Labour and the Tories played devolution jenga in the Smith Commission, trying to remove as many of the promised powers as possible without bringing the entire process crashing to the ground.

Gordie now insists that the UK Government should hold citizens’ assemblies, and appoint a Constitutional Convention. Such a convention, Gordie says, should “examine what are not abstract questions of interest mainly to lawyers, but – as we can see from recent events – but also life and death matters that directly affect our daily lives.” So in other words he wants to kick the issue into the long grass, and after a few years a report can be published which will have heavily diluted all of Gordie’s promises of federalism, then a bill will be published, which the Tories and Labour will eviscerate as it passes through the various stages and committees in Parliament. And then finally after a process lasting years Scotland will end up with control over road signs on unlisted roads and a promise of future powers that will have a get out clause the size of a Brexit lorry park in Kent. And all that is assuming that Boris “devolution is a disaster” is prepared to countenance starting the process in the first place. Unfortunately for Gordie there is as much chance of that happening as there is of Gordie admitting that he bears some of the responsibility for the bad faith of the better together parties following the 2014 referendum.
he’s at it again in the Guardian today. Still touting the promises that he broke in 2014
It’s too late, The time for the delivery of Gordie’s UK constitutional convention was in the months after September 2014, but Gordie’s abject failure then means that no one is interested now. We’ve heard all this before and they didn’t follow through. Now there is no chance as the UK has a Prime minister who openly espouses right wing populist English nationalism and who has as much interest in deepening and extending devolution as he does in working for an entire month without skiving off. Worse than that he has a deep antipathy to the existing devolution settlement and presides over a government which has systematically cut the devolved governments out – not merely of decision making processes, but which has failed to ensure that Edinburgh and Cardiff are even kept informed about UK government policies which have a direct impact upon Scotland and Wales. The existing devolution settlement is under threat from this government and its devolution destroying internal markets bill. There is zero chance of federalism. There’s no chance of this scotophobic English nationalist Prime minister surrendering any of the power that he has coveted for so long just to placate Scotland. You’d be as well expecting Aberdeenshire Tory MP Andrew Bowie to stop being insufferably smug. It’s just not in his nature and it’s not in Johnson’s either. Johnson is going out of his way to make things worse . The Conservative Party’s insane, pathological inability to step back from Brexit is driving the breakup of the UK and there’s nothing in Gordie’s proposals that will tackle that issue. Johnson himself has no real interest in Brexit, for him it was only ever a cynical device to get him into power, but now he has got that power, like all autocrats he has no intention of diluting it. Gordon Brown is yesterday’s man peddling yesterday’s solution. Gordie has become a rather desperate old man as he sees the Union to which he has such an unfathomable loyalty unravel. – thanks in no small measure to his own bad faith and broken promises. The British media is equally desperate, so they will keep trotting him out although Scotland has long since ceased to listen. In truth Brown and Johnson share an important characteristic and are more alike than either would admit. Both expended all their energy getting into number10 then didn’t have much idea what to do once they got there. They are both products of a failed and broken political system which is incapable of reform. Scotland has moved on. Johnson Brexit and Covid are the triple toxins that have killed off the UK. The only question left is how long it will take. Certainly a lot less than ten years.

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525 comments on “Yesterday’s man with yesterday’s answer

  1. Movy says:

    His article in the Guardian today is incredible.
    He portrays himself as a proud and patriotic Scot while equating the nation, of which he is so proud, as the equivalent of Greater Manchester.
    His lack of self-awareness is extraordinary.
    Time for him to accept reality and either move to Greater Manchester or London or whatever BritNat region in which he feels at home, and leave the nation of which he clearly does not feel part.

    • Hugh Mcsween says:

      Broon told Scotland it was too poor to be independent but now he tells us that Scotland will do well in a federal system,a federal system in which we would have the same financial freedoms as independence.

    • Mocker says:

      Please tune in to the LoveFest going on between RepublicofScotand and a nutter calling himself “Cubby” on Craig Murray’s blog.

      Hilarious! Like a couple of old biddies!

  2. andyfromdunning says:

    In one simple word he is a baffoon. In another word an eejit.

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  4. Jim says:

    Spot on Paul.

    I read that piece in the Gaurdian about Johnson’s anti-Scottish attitude and the only thing Broon mentioned was ” A Scot should never be Prime Minister of the UK”.
    It just shows the vanity of the man, we have all seen the many anti-scots pieces Johnson has both written and/or sanctioned to be published, and this was the only one he mentions because it affected him personally.
    You are absolutely correct in saying they are out of the same jelly mold.

    Once bitten twice shy. They can roll him out as much as they like but he’ll just be laughed at now.

  5. smac1314 says:

    I thought the broonasaurus would have some connection with Johnson. They’re both liars after all.

  6. Republicofscotland says:

    The unions messiah Brown, has no power over Scotland anymore, whatever this failed ex-PM says on Scotland and Scottish independence is nothing more than his own personal opinion. Like Blair I think most Scots are now well aware that these men are pushing a unionist agenda, and that their ideas, if they can be called that, are not the will of the majority Scottish people.

    The British nationalist media can roll Brown and Blair out like Hannibal on his wheel barra (The Movie) any time they feel like it, for we are now immune to their unionist nonsense.

    The best way to shut these people up for good is for Scotland to become independent.

  7. gavinochiltree says:

    The search for the Ermine Robe goes on and on and on and o………………….!
    But it’s not just the Great North Brit Huckster!
    I’m pretty sure Boris referenced Sir Keir as privately SHARING his opinions.
    The future is either independence or direct rule.
    Anyone who believes otherwise—I have a bridge you might think of buying!

  8. Ken2 says:

    Yesterday’s man. Troughing on the public purse. Wasted £Trns of public money. Millions died. Illegal wars, tax evasion, financial fraud.

    The Barnett Formula. Scottish monies going south to waste. Leaving Scotland Devastated. Lived in London. In an alternative universe. Too much power corrupts. McCrone Report kept secret for 30 years. Under the Official Secrets Act.

    The Scottish Parliament was set up with too few powers. Set up to stop sanctions from the EU. The EU/UN support self determination and self governance. When people vote for it. Outvoted 10 to 1 at Westminster. Not democratic. Scotland is not being treated equally. Against International Law.

    • Melvin penman says:

      I agree entirely,if you just look at Goves complaint that Scotland is interfering in Brexit, it just makes my blood boil, the British think they own Scotland and we are their lower class servants, here to do what we are told. FCUK the British state, liars and cheats. Scotland stop bowing down to these assholes.

  9. Welsh Siôn says:

    Off topic, apologies.

    With sadness, let us record the passing of a great Welsh patriot who was never afraid to let others know of her love for Cymru and her hope that the country would be independent. That vision never dimmed.

    RIP Jan Morris.

    Tributes paid to author and journalist Jan Morris who has died age 94

    20th November 2020

    • diabloandco says:

      Acting in a Trumpian manner will win him crafty, anti democracy crown and no friends in Scotland – except in our hideous ,lying media.

  10. jfngw says:

    The only feet being warm by Brown was his own at the fire of British Nationalism.

    Remember when he introduced the pensioner winter fuel payment and tried to structure it so it was near impossible for Scottish pensioners to receive it, he is no Scottish patriot. If it was 1707 he would have taken the gold.

    • Pogmothon says:

      Lets face it £15 Million plus is not enough for an ex-pime number to live off he’s obviously angleing for some ermine and all the expences and trappings to go with it. It must really rancle that all the other rouges from the 2014 parcel. and even baroness Rape Case have state sponsered little dead animal coats. There’s a couple of lads who put it far better than me.

      • Melvin penman says:

        Excellent image of people bowing down to the British state.I am a Scot, I bow down to no British rule. Freedom only comes to those who take it, not the ones on their knees begging for it.

      • Kersky says:

        Brilliant. It says a lot.

  11. Maggie Batrie says:

    You are completely back on the ball, Paul. Hitting the nail right on the head. You are amazing! Keep up the great work, but no overdoing it, right?

  12. andyfromdunning says:

    Another off topic.

    Paul has kindly given me permission to put this link to a YouTube video on this blog.

    It lasts 30 minutes and explains GERS, the Scottish economy in the U.K., our Trade and resources. If you find it useful please pass it on. Thanks.

    • Capella says:

      Thx andyfrodunning – good summary of the facts and figures although I would have to go back to get the full picture as it s a lot of info to take in at once. The graphics could also be improved as it’s hard to read white ink on a pale blue background! Nevertheless – worth a view

  13. grizebard says:

    Och, don’t get me started again on Federal Broon. Of all the contemptible consequences of IR1, he is the undoubted nadir. He continues to shrug-off personal responsibility and shamelessly punt his shattered fantasies like a used-car salesman trying to shift a piece of scrap without even an engine. It’s positively Trumpian in its reality-denial.

    Tragically for him personally in the true Shakespearean sense, he apparently fails utterly to notice that his continuing promotion of a political mirage, in the face of outright Tory contempt and hostility for anything like it, is making him appear more and more, not as a person of substance as he undoubtedly imagines, but as a hopeless and pathetic dupe, a figure of derision.

  14. Bob Lamont says:

    Indeed a good summary, “They are both products of a failed and broken political system which is incapable of reform”.

    It is the “Scotland has moved on” both are desperate to ignore, made all the more prickly by recent moves to return to a more formal colonial footing.
    Broon is London’s emissary only because none are left who speak the native lingo and would not be run out of town, but with the 2014 wound still tender, Broon really is pushing his luck.
    It’s not 2014, the once trusted media platform on which he relied has lost all credibility, he’ll be talking to the void where Scotland used to be.
    London had it’s chance and blew it.

  15. Hamish100 says:

    Graham Stewart on bbc Rdio scotchland allows Peter Duncan Tory to say without the need to provide any evidence that Scotland covid measures have been as bad or worse than England.

    New look bbc? No just more of the same.

  16. Republicofscotland says:

    So Johnson will give a speech today to the branch office faithful during the Tory conference, he’s expected to give his commitment to devolution North of the border, though we all know that he loathes devolution and is desperate to roll it back.

    I fully expect the the Tory branch office faithful in Scotland to get behind their beloved leader, on outwardly supporting devolution but inwardly loathing it.

  17. Republicofscotland says:

    Douglas Ross, branch manager of the Tory office in Scotland has made a clarion call to the branch office of Labour in Scotland to help defeat the SNP at next years elections and stop Scottish independence for good.

    However if a recent Labour by-election where their vote share dropped by around twelve percentage points is anything to go by then, Richard whatshisname would do well to heed the writing on the wall, and back the Scottish peoples right to a independence referendum before he finds his party and indeed himself no longer required by the people of Scotland.

    • JMTaurus says:

      @ RepublicofScotland @ 10.41am

      A clarion call for tactical voting.

      It’s Dross conceding that he, as leader of his party in Scotland, cannot win against the SNP .

      He is not reaching out to Richard Leonard but to Labour voters in a ‘lend me your vote to oust the SNP’ plea.

      Why would he want to reach out to a party who are diminishing in the polls other than to take advantage for himself.

      Or perhaps this ‘news’ is just another branch office mission to deflect from the ongoing catastrophe that is being played out daily at Tory HQ .

      As it is quite funny how pre 2019 GE the Tories were dismissive of political alliances to oust them yet now, via DRoss, they see alliances as a political lifeline and tactical strategy to game the system to their advantage. Actually they always play the tactical card in Scotland it’s the only way they can try to get voters to switch their preferred party allegiance to another party, as in the Tories, to prevent an SNP candidate from gaining a seat. Running solely on the Unionist ticket as opposed to actual policies.

      I wish the media and DRoss would desist from treating Scots as idiots. Die hard Unionists votes are in the bag for the Tories but for us other Scots the manipulation and lies are becoming tiresome and unbearable.

      The DRoss over exposure on MSM is also becoming tiresome and unbearable and a tad too obvious. Every time he appears on yet another TV programme I hear Brenda from Bristol saying “Not another one”.

      Operation a*se , the sequel , needs to be deployed for the branch office leader and I am sure the Scottish public will succeed in implementing this unlike the Scottish Tories original doomed plot against their current HQ leader.

    • grizebard says:

      You would think that having been cynically used as Tory shills back in 2014 and paid the political price ever since, and even had their Orangist tendency poached from them by the “Queen’s Eleven” Tories on the principle “why pay for the monkey when you can pay for the organ-grinder?”, that Labour in Scotland would be extremely wary of any tender talk of partnership from the likes of DRoss.

      You would think, wouldn’t you…?

      • Republicofscotland says:

        I think there’s quite a few politicians in the Labour party who are all for a second indyref or at least the right to hold one, Richard Whatshisname however isn’t one of them sadly.

        • grizebard says:

          You surprise me there. Maybe you have connections that I don’t have, but I can’t think of more than one. The best you could say is that there are people like old Henry McLeish who are still desperately clinging to a federal myth to try to save their rapidly-eroding position, and would even cynically propose a referendum with a “third option” poison pill inserted. (Y’know, the one they rejected point blank when Alex Salmond offered it the first time around.)

          Back in 1979, we were diddled by a Labour poison pill. We’re not going to be shafted like that again. If there really are Labour politicians honestly willing to have a straight “yes/no” indyref (even if they will campaign for “no” as they likely all will), they should be coming out and saying it in public right now. Then we might just about accept some benign intent. Otherwise it’s all too-little-too-late, as per. Hiding in the shadow of Ricardo Limpheart just won’t hack it.

  18. Republicofscotland says:

    So how does Ross intend to dethrone the SNP at next years elections, well by campaigning to have the not proven verdict removed and the Community Investment Deals which could lead to business rates-free zones in town and city centres, an idea that the SNP put forward in 2019 but was rejected by yip, you guessed it the Tories.

  19. Dr Jim says:

    The media get themselves an argument going over Boris Johnson telling Scotland that basically we’re a big mistake and a disaster knowing perfectly well that most of Scotland will be annoyed about it while at the same time fully expecting that particular moron to say stuff like this so in yet another long line of insults to Scotland and it’s people they, the BBC, expect us to suck it up like we’ve done for the 300 years that these things have been happening then move on because well basically Scots are cowards and the Tories and Labour will in the long term get away with it as they’ve always done

    Gordon Brown however is a different matter when the BBC televise his *interventions* the attitude is always more reverential to this old faded burned out Labour rosette wearing Tory, and why? well he used to pretend to be Scottish so in the spirit of the great belief in Scots stupidity we’ll all pay more serious attention to this walking dead human being, problem is the BBC never report that Gordon Brown is as big a liar and nasty human being as Boris Johnson, in terms of their ideology you couldn’t wedge a keycard between the difference

    The BBC nor any of the media in Scotland ever report one of Gordon Brown’s biggest ever lies in history to Scotland when he insisted categorically informing his targeted audience of Scottish pensioners that there would be no more blood transfusions in an Independent Scotland, there would be no more organ transplants in an Independent Scotland when both of these things are rock solid international agreements not dependent on politicks, and that’s before we ever get into the lie about Scotland’s people’s pensions being denied to them

    Boris Johnson has only been personally lying and insulting to Scotland for a few years, Gordon Brown’s been doing it his entire life and likely will still be doing it after his death if he isn’t dead already, it’s hard to tell sometimes

    The Tories might have always owned the slaves but Labour have always been the ones wielding the Tories whips for them while sympathising with us over their impossible position of having to whip us poor souls, please vote for us and the whipping will stop said Labour, aye we did that and it didn’t

  20. Capella says:

    It baffles me that the media in London believe that Gordon Brown and Baroness Ruth Davidson have any political credibility north of the Border. Why did she get a gong BTW? Anyone know?
    Presumably Nicola was offered but turned it down. Only joking 🙂

    I’ve heard that Gordon can’t gt a gong till Tony Blair gets one and Tony Blair can’t get one because he’s a war criminal though, of course, Gordon Brown financed the war criminal.
    @ Pogmothon – I enjoyed that Proclaimers video with the rogues gallery of gong worthies. Sad to see Sean Connery there but, of course, he must have been.

    • grizebard says:

      For many of we older ones, the late Sean Connery included, our attitudes to BritDom have changed radically over the last several years. What was once widely perceived as perfectly normal – a Scot in an established British context – is now seen through very different eyes. That’s hardly surprising, though, when you actually think about it.

      What’s surely needed is to find ways of helping as many as possible of the remainder of older folks out of their grossly-outdated set of falsely-reassuring assumptions.

    • grizebard says:

      As for Baroness Boughtup, she was paid for her allegiance. Simple as that.

  21. Republicofscotland says:

    Well the usual Lillian Gish is now emanating from Downing street and conveyed to our eyes and ears North of the border by the British nationalist media, that Johnson’s devolution comments were reported on wrongly or it was taken out of context etc, etc, etc.

    However many times has a British PM, or Westminster politician said something very distasteful about Scots or Scotland and then at a later date claimed the above.

    • JMTaurus says:

      So where does Boris’s comment on devolution in Scotland being “Tony Blair’s biggest mistake’ fit into in this new Tory post interpretation i.e. supposedly but not defined at the time as “only being said in the context of SNP Government’s handling of devolution in Scotland” ?

      I think Michelle Ballantyne the Tory MSP got it right when she said on Debate night that Boris does not care about Scotland (and then she subsequently supported his Tory leadership bid). Most of us know that what she said is true irrespective of whether we are a devolved nation or not and most of us also know that the fact she said it and then supported him does make you wonder what it is that she cares about.

      • Dr Jim says:

        And there’s the language propaganda trap that is punted so often that everybody falls into it

        Scotland isn’t a devolved nation, only the governance of the nation is devolved to us but the people and the country of Scotland are not devolved, you can’t devolve a person but this language is designed to make us believe we’re less because of the use of the word

        • Republicofscotland says:

          Its typical Johnson propaganda, he loathes devolution, and the Good Friday Agreement.

          Here’s an eye opener for you.

        • JMTaurus says:

          @ Dr Jim @ 2.40pm

          Thanks for the diplomatic way you responded to my ‘obvious’ use of language propaganda.

          As a new poster on here it’s very welcoming to get feedback in a civil and non abrupt way.

          But really that was me telt was it not.

          Apologies if I have misread the tone in your response to my comment .

          Please do not go down the snowflake route if you do decide to respond to this comment.

          • Bob Lamont says:

            Priceless, despite “Thanks for the diplomatic way you responded to my ‘obvious’ use of language propaganda” you sign off using the term “snowflake” 🤣

            • JMTaurus says:

              Hi Bob, I did not sign off using “term snowflake” as you state .

              I meant not be called a snowflake in any response from Dr. Jim.

              I also apologised to him if I had misread the tone in his feedback but then that obviously was not worth you mentioning .

              But you go ahead and laugh if it makes you feel a big man .

              Apologies to Dr Jim for thinking that he would resort to saying I was being a snowflake and I concede that was petty of me. I apologise to Dr Jim for the tone in my response to him as was made on impulse and badly judged.

              I thought as a new poster that this site was the best as seemed friendlier than some others .

              Anyway enough from me as I am sure that Paul does not want arguments on here so I will respect that and bow out gracefully.

              • Dr Jim says:

                This is a friendlier site JMTaurus you won’t find many here looking for rows

              • Bob Lamont says:

                Ooft, where did all that come from ?
                It was using the term “snowflake” in context of “use of language propaganda” which amused me, obviously not shared.

          • Dr Jim says:

            Not having a go at you and never would for what’s a common expression that folks don’t usually notice, merely pointing out how easily all of us through the repetitive style of mind acceptance training accept direction from the trainers


            • Golfnut says:

              Yep, I’m a bit lost with that one. I thought you were agreeing with him, emphasising how certain words are used repeatedly to undermine.
              Some have been in use for decades, eg, block grant and unfortunately many more.

              • Dr Jim says:

                I guess he/she just misread my intentions because of a past bad experience when posting elsewhere so might’ve been defensive, it’s a shame if he/she was someone new, and I’m sorry about that

  22. Dr Jim says:

    A BBC Sky or any other media question always posed to the SNP goes like this:

    “Will you work with the UK government” the answer always comes back from the SNP “Of course we will whenever we can”
    The follow up question from the media goes “Yes but Boris Johnson is doing *something* will you do the same and if not why not” the SNP answer again is co-operative by saying “wherever possible yes”
    Next follow up from the media is “But that’s not a four nations approach if you’re not doing the same thing” the implication being that Scotland is not co-operating if Scotland is not doing as it’s told, because preconditioning of the English mindset is that co-operation means taking instructions, obeying, being subservient, knowing your place

    Y’see in Scotland the word co-operation means something different when we say it, we tend to follow the dictionary interpretation of words whereas in England the meanings of words are what they say they are in whatever circumstances they say them to be, then later redefined to mean something else, as applicable

    Scotland and England separated by a commonly used language, how do you communicate with a country who refuses to speak or understand its own language

    • grizebard says:

      Unfortunately, for too many here it’s preconditioning instead of the Scottish mindset. Not least among those who feel their advantaged positions are dependent on English backing.

      I don’t think many ordinary people in England have a strong view on our situation either way. In fact, I think many there (and elsewhere too) would respect us far more if we grew a pair and (finally!) did our own thing.

  23. Hamish100 says:

    On bbc Shereen radio this morning all the participants said for covid we HAD to have a 1 nation approach. Of course ( that’s 4 into 1 for them) that is what suits London and the South east England. I’m happy of us being a nation dealing with covid is it affects Scotland. So if Shetland , Orkney and the Western Isles have a lower tier good for them.

    • Dr Jim says:

      We’re four great nations, then we’re the precious Union, then we’re one nation and very often we’re *the country* it’s no wonder folk get confused over where they live, I’m changing my name to Patrick McGoohan number 6, he didn’t know where he was either

  24. Golfnut says:

    Tory and labrat, 2 cheeks of the same bahookie.

    Remember this when they demand support for business.

  25. Ken2 says:

    Scotland only voted Labour to keep the Tories out. The worse of two evils. Now people can vote SNP to be protected from Westminster unionist appalling policies and mismanagement. The only reason for Westminster unionists lining their pockets. Brexit.

  26. Ken2 says:

    The Bain principle still in existent. Still operating. Tory and Labour united against any relevant, advantageous policy suggested by the SNP. Tory and Labour in cahoots to destroy the economy. Then try and blame the SNP.

  27. robert alexander harrison says:

    Everyone remember how labour to win elections always promises to tax the rich or abolish the house of lords never happened just like English nationalists south of the border always crying they want rid of us scots it never happens its why i will always say Englands word is basically dogshit they will talk the talk but never walk the walk and dont get me started on the conservatives oh how i hate them with a vengeance as they dont even hide they look down on others.

  28. Republicofscotland says:

    So Auld Queen Lizzie had a plan to thwart Scottish independence if we voted yes in 2014.

    “As the Scottish National Party, under the leadership of Alex Salmond at the time, prepared its bid to break away from the Union in a 2014 vote, the Queen is said to have prepared an intervention. Lionel Barber, a Financial Times’ former editor, claims the Queen’s son Prince Andrew told him of his mother’s plans during lunch – one week before the referendum.”

    • Welsh Siôn says:

      Just pinching your graphic, RoS:

    • Golfnut says:

      I hope you realise the Queens intervention story is total bollocks, the question is why they decided to put this out at this time.

      • Republicofscotland says:

        I suppose this was total bollocks as well.

        “Scotland should declare independence if Britain votes to leave the European Union on June 23, Nicola Sturgeon has said.

        The Scottish First Minister said that it would “be best for Scotland to be in the EU as an independent member state”.”

        • Golfnut says:

          Yep, you were hooked.

        • Alex Clark says:

          Eh? she never said that at all, the Torygraph said that but that suits your agenda I guess.

          Nicola Sturgeon actually said: “best for Scotland to be in the EU as an independent member state”.

          That is not the same thing as the Torygraph claimed, “Scotland should declare independence if Britain votes to leave the European Union” Nicola Sturgeon said.

          She actually didn’t say any such thing but that didn’t stop you from claiming such.

          I would have expected you to be a bit more discerning in your quoting of right wing rags such as the Torygraph in order to make such a poor effort to score an SNP/Sturgeon bad point.

          • Republicofscotland says:

            “Nicola Sturgeon actually said: “best for Scotland to be in the EU as an independent member state”.”

            Splitting hairs aren’t we.

            • grizebard says:

              Talking of splitting hairs, don’t you think that “Scotland” deserves an initial capital letter? Sufficient respect and all that. Even an English county deserves better. Could its absence possibly be a telling Freudian slip…?

              • Republicofscotland says:

                I first decided to use it as one word, and just kept it that way, there was no disrespect intended.

                • Republicofscotland says:

                  Oh I should’ve added that, that was over a decade ago, and I’ve had maybe two or three comments on the negative side about it in that decade.

        • Alex Clark says:

          The quote from Nicola Sturgeon in context.

          “It’s not a perfect institution – and while I believe it would be best for Scotland to be in the EU as an independent member state, I believe it is better for us in all circumstances to stay in. Of course, this referendum has, all along, been driven by the Tory Party’s longstanding internal divisions on Europe and the challenge to the Conservatives from Ukip, rather than by the specifics of David Cameron’s renegotiation.

          We made it clear to the Prime Minister that we were opposed to a June 23rd referendum, given the overlap with our own Scottish election – but now that that date has been named we will get on with the job of campaigning for an ‘in’ vote. It’s important that the campaign to remain in the EU learns the lessons of Scotland’s independence referendum, so that it does not lapse into scaremongering and fear – that is why the SNP will be a leading voice in the weeks and months ahead in making the positive case for Scotland and the rest of the UK remaining in Europe.”

          I couldn’t find anywhere there, the part where she says in her speech “Scotland should declare independence if Britain votes to leave the European Union on June 23″.

          Since it was the Torygraph and you claiming she said that I’m not that surprised to discover that she never said it at all. The media have form when it comes to lying about what SNP leaders say.

          • Republicofscotland says:

            Thank you for clearing the matter up.

            “and while I believe it would be best for Scotland to be in the EU as an independent member state, ”

            I agree wholeheartedly with that sentence, lets hope it happens.

  29. Republicofscotland says:

    Christ those clowns running Scottish rugby need a word in their ears as the Scotland v France rugby match is on Amazon Prime and not on any terrestrial channel.

    The same can be said of the Hampden mob running the footballing national team.

    We must be the only country in the world that doesn’t have access to its national sides fixtures on tv.

    • Indeed RoS… And I think we were lied to about it being free to watch Scotland v Slovakia online.. I spent half an hour trying get the mentioned channels / Sites up, before giving up… I don’t have a tv, and yet I’m informed yesterday that the bbc intend to visit on 3rd December. Let them Come.

  30. Dr Jim says:

    The 2014 referendum was designed organised and run by Westminster, every aspect of it was controlled by them, they were never concerned about losing it at any time except when a fluke poll suggested the Scottish people might vote for it, that’s why and when the problems for the SNP internally began when Nicola Sturgeon became FM and said pointedly “I don’t want to just hold a referendum I want to win one” certain figures within the party were very unhappy with that statement and still are, they saw it as disloyal, she saw it as telling the truth about a mishandled botched up referendum that lacked preparation and Scotland lost as a result of it

    Nicola Sturgeon’s determination to do the job right is what scares Westminster, they know she won’t compromise over who and how the next referendum will be run, they know the UN regulations on referendums will be adhered to, they know Westminster will not be allowed to use their control of the British media to control the agenda of timings of debates, so called experts media statements, and they know she fully intends to win

    They never worried about any of that in 2014 because they were in charge

    I know some folk find this sort of analysis disturbing it’s like saying William Wallace was a great guy but c’mon he made an Arse of it, nobody really wants to hear that, but he did

    2014 is history now and it shouldn’t be about preferences as to which FM people like more than the other, the overly nostalgic amongst us will rerun 2014 in their heads and keep trying to win it if only we had, if only they had, if only, it’s today now, history is gone and not returning nor are the people from that time so we learn from it and go again when we get the chance to not make the mistakes previously made, the only people who benefit from disagreement within ourselves in Scotland are Unionists and those they employ to foment that disagreement

    It makes little difference what leader is in charge of the SNP because whoever it happens to be is only in charge of style and policy direction not people’s opinions, the people of Scotland have decided they are quite sure they want Independence now so it’ll happen because of that, some argue that Nicola Sturgeon doesn’t press enough for Independence, I would argue that every day she demonstrates to Scotland why they should have it without bluster and grand statements and now Scotland feels confident about the way she’s going about her business so believes in her where they didn’t believe and weren’t confident in 2014

    • andyfromdunning says:


    • Bob Lamont says:


    • Republicofscotland says:

      Nothing new in that comment that we don’t already know I’m afraid, what’s worrying though is that you like so many others feel that Sturgeon is taking it slow and steady on the indyfront because she wants to win the next one. Well it cannot be won if Johnson doesn’t agree to the S30, well not in that particular route anyway.

      So where does that leave us, with time running out due to to the likes of the Internal Market bill which will surely curtail the Scottish governments ability to govern. Do we put all our eggs in one basket and hope that Johnson, suddenly becomes a reasonable man and grants the S30, is that even likely, or do we pray that like Trump somehow Johnson is forced to stand down sometime in the near distant future, and replaced by a mild mannered Tory who’ll see reason on the indyfront and issue the S30.

      Or better still a non Tory PM in the future such as the millionaire Knight of the Realm, Sir Keir Starmer, who’s as socialist as J.D Rockefeller was, will grant us the S30. It would also appear that the possibility of a Plan B has been rejected by the SNP, in life and in business the need for a Plan B is seen as good planning so why not in politics as well.

      Sturgeon is playing a very dangerous game with all our hopes and dreams, and the dreams of our children and grandchildren for that matter.

      • Alex Clark says:

        “So where does that leave us, with time running out due to to the likes of the Internal Market bill which will surely curtail the Scottish governments ability to govern.”

        Hahaha that is so pathetic, pure amateur trolling.

        We can’t get a Section 30, we’re doomed, the Tories won’t allow it. They will close Holyrood, time is running out, where’s Plan B, we need a Plan B! Wah! Wah! Wah!

        You really are getting desperate, nobody here is falling for your bullshit. You’d be better off posting your pathetic drivel where it might have an audience, it’s not here.

        • Republicofscotland says:

          Well it appears you didn’t address any of the points, however I’m not surprised by that.

      • grizebard says:

        You really don’t seem to get it. The SNP (not merely your very tell-tale “Sturgeon”) is clearly embarking on a strategy to have a referendum anyway, provided only – and crucially – that the SNP receives sufficient backing by the electorate this coming May. That demonstrated popular backing is the sine qua non. BritNats are against a referendum which they are now convinced they will lose and consequently are desperately trying to undermine this strategy by aiming to repeat what happened in 2017, but unlike Ruthie back then, who is a dead-ender now, they are forced to try it by the back door.

        Whether you are actively complicit in this counter-strategy – as we might suspect – or are merely another dupe of it is irrelevant, this is actually what you are assiduously striving to achieve in your efforts here and elsewhere.

        • Alex Clark says:

          It’s as plain as the nose on the end of your face that there is a concerted effort to attempt to discredit the leadership of the SNP for a “failure” to have a plan B. There is a plan and it’s working and that’s why the Unionists are frothing at the mouth.

          Then the pathetic attempt to create a deadline, “there’s no time Holyrood will be shutdown!” Let them try it and you will have 75% voting for Independence.

          We are knocking on the door and it’s this strategy that has worked to increase support since 2014, no point in trying to run before you can walk, first we needed to persuade No supporters to come over to Yes. We have made progress.

          Any vote prior to this year had more chance of losing than succeeding, that is not the case now and any vote in the near future, Covid permitting will surely see us Independent. If a prize is worth having then it’s worth waiting for and the more you will enjoy its delivery. Another defeat was always out of the question.

          • Republicofscotland says:

            “There is a plan and it’s working .”

            Could you be kind enough to expand on this, and explain what the plan is and how in your opinion its working.

            • Alex Clark says:

              See when you show me your plan I’ll show you mine LOL

            • Pogmothon says:

              Haw RoS

              Here’s yur intitlement to plan (what ever it is) access
              It’s now gone past just getting on my tits and I do not wish to hear any more whining about it. Initially it was of interest and seemed to be a ligitimate question to which I and many others would have loved to hear the answer. Supposing that it would place the cabal at westminster under more pressure.
              However it has now got to the stage where YOU ARE NOW DOING THE unionists JOB FOR THEM by causing disent and disruption in the ranks and disaffecting possible converts.
              All, ALL the people irrispective of their position. Espeshally the ones who are supposidly smarter than me. Need to consider very carfully how their actions and demands effect the prospect of Scotland reasserting its Nationhood.
              Not just that, but they need to accept that the answer to their constant demands for a plan “B” or more detailed Knowlege of plan “A” is reserved to the First Minister and her selected team.

              And whether they like it or not the answer is quite simple “IT’S ABOVE YOUR PAY GRADE”.

              So stop wi the terrier dug act, an leave it the fuck alone!!!!
              At the appropriate time and when it is neccessary for you to know in order to further Scottish Independance. I have no doubt you along with the rest of us will be made aware of the next stage of the plan.
              Or is it your desire to lend more of a hand to the unoinists and perhaps give succor to the enemy, and a stick to beat us with. or perhaps you’d like to start a new Independance Party. Have you even asked your self why none of the unionist are doing these things or asking these questions. IMO it’s because you are all doing such a good job of it.

              Why do you think these demands are only made of Hollyrood and the SNP.
              Where are the incessant demands for plan “B”, from LBJ on the Good Friday Agreement, Covid Approach, Any Trade Deal, NHS protection Etc…Etc.

              So jist gees a breck.
              All the energy you are expending on demands for plan “B” and or access to plan “A” would be better spent trying to futher the Independance Cause.
              Rather than quisling the elected leadership who are operating in the real world. Not the “what if”, “suppose” that you all seem to inhabit. Nor the “sunny uplands” of the union brigade.

              Get a grip, Hae a word wi yursel, keep yur mooth shut, an be thowt an edjit, rither than open it and confirm it.

        • Republicofscotland says:

          Pray tell when will this referendum be held, we have Ian Blackford saying that we’ll have one next year, but he’s not the party leader, infact he’s not even an MSP for that matter. i know its become a cliche to say that is their even enough time to hold an indyref next year, as Blackford has said, however I’m not convinced yet that there is.

          • grizebard says:

            Well, TBH, we don’t really care whether you’re convinced or not.

            That’s the inevitable fate of persistent nay-sayers.

            • Republicofscotland says:

              That’s not very helpful now is it, its our duty to question is it not.

              • Alex Clark says:

                It’s not your duty to lie about what the First Minister says, or is it?

              • grizebard says:

                Backstabbing the SG, frantic doom-mongering, crocked crystal-ball gazing, and disrespectful naming may be a “duty”, but only for those working against independence.

                If you have any concern about how the SNP/SG is taking us towards independence, it might be thought your prime duty to first ensure that they are in a position to take the crucial next step forward by winning (and the decisively the better) the actual upcoming election, and reserve your judgement for the subsequent actual performance.

                Please spare us your pomposity and disingenuousness. You’re no true friend of independence and the more you write, the more it shows.

          • Alex Clark says:

            Why do you spread lies about what the leader of the SNP has said 4 years ago, quoting the Torygraph too? Why do you undermine the SNP at every opportunity here and on other blogs?

            Which party do you see leading Scotland to her Independence, who do you support and should I be voting for them instead of the SNP? If so, then why?

            Should be easy enough questions for someone, seemingly with all the answers.

            • Republicofscotland says:

              “and while I believe it would be best for Scotland to be in the EU as an independent member state, ”

              Well Alex you yourself wrote the above which I assume is from four years ago, yet there’s been no movement on the indyfront since. If questioning the leadership is spreading lies about the SNP then I’m guilty as charged.

              I see the SNP as the driving vehicle to independence, but not necessarily with Sturgeon and Murrell at the helm.

              • Alex Clark says:

                Now you’re at it again. Why would you drag up an article from the Daily Telegraph that was over 4 years old for no reason at all and then imply that:

                “Scotland should declare independence if Britain votes to leave the European Union on June 23, Nicola Sturgeon has said.

                That was a lie, no denying it, yet you wanted to make a point. To me that stinks, a bit iffy, know what I mean. Any stick to beat the SNP with even an old Torygrapf article totally off topic from 4 years ago. Do you a have a wee book of such spin for use when needed?

                Now you claiming that “yet there’s been no movement on the indyfront since” which is more disingenuous bullshit that I’ve become accustomed to reading in your posts.

                Everything necessary to hold a referendum in 2021 is being put in place, the Referendums Scotland Act has already been passed and a draft referendum bill specific to a 2nd Independence referendum will be published setting out the timing and question for a new referendum before the end of this parliament. The electoral commission have already been tasked with testing the question for the referendum, that question will be the same as the first referendum.

                This is not “nothing” as you claim. Oh, and did I mention that support has been reported as being as high as 58% for Yes in a 2nd referendum?

                I’d call that something but I can clearly see why YOU would like to call it nothing being done. Purely in order to undermine support for the SNP, that’s your role.

                • Republicofscotland says:

                  oh I don’t know Alex maybe I’m a bit sceptical because of all prior mandates that the SNP government has let slip on independence. or the promise and it can only be described as a promise, that Scotland wouldn’t stand for being dragged out of the EU, but we did.

                  Or the lack of any movement on the currency front or the the setting up of a central bank, very important issues such as these have been replaced by the GRA bill and the Hate Crime bill, but I suppose me illustrating these policies, is in your eyes trolling, and lying and hating the SNP.

                  Alex we must question and question again, and hold them accountable.

                  • Alex Clark says:

                    Independence is not about the GRA bill and the Hate Crime bill, they are single issues that mean little in the grand scheme of things so why focus on them? To hold the SNP accountable?

                    For what, proposing law? Pull the other one.

                  • grizebard says:

                    Hold them accountable for their performance then after their win, not assiduously flit from one empty issue to another with the self-evident aim of finding something – anything – to frustrate it beforehand. You’re so obvious. Clearly looking for a way to thwart the anticipated win, hence the timing. Thankfully you’re as effective at your voter suppression as Trump is in overturning the US election.

  31. bringiton says:

    The Covid19 crisis has made it absolutely crystal clear to Scots that Westminster is England’s government and acts in the interest of England whereas Holyrood looks after our interests.
    All we have to do now is sort out who controls our finances.

  32. Dr Jim says:

    I’ve got my back up about this expression “The settled will of the people” that the enemies of the people trot out constantly, we voted in 2014 and that was the “settled will of the people”

    I’ve never in my life heard such absolute tosh and drivel spoken and held up as the banner of truth in my life as this pile of DRoss cowpat, or any other clown who repeats this projectile spew

    Scotland is the most emigrated part of the British isles, we leave Scotland and travel all over the damn world, we’re known for it, we founded and lived in countries and colonies on it in every corner of the globe, we move house how many times in our lives from town to town, we change jobs countless times depending on opportunity or expediency, we marry we get divorced we marry again, we are the perfect example of the human condition of *NOT* demonstrating the characteristic of *the settled will* of anything, we grow, we change our minds, we require freedom of choice, we do not settle our will on anything or we’d just never bother voting at all

    And that’s what our enemies pray for every night, that Scottish people have no will at all

    • grizebard says:

      For a “settled will”, it seems curiously fluid at the moment, changing more and more in favour of independence as these Tory blunderers blunder on and casually and deliberately break more and more of the promises they made back when the phrase made sense.

      In 2014, Scotland gave the BritNats a last chance to make good on their fancy promises. “Nearest thing to federalism”, “position anchored in law”, etc, etc. That was our true settled will. And now that its clear that the opportunity has been grossly and arrogantly squandered, our will is going to re-assert itself in the only possible way it can. To show these lying fakes the door and take permanent charge of our own affairs.

  33. jfngw says:

    I see reports that D.Ross will only be on the list in May, too scared to sit for a constituency seat?

    It seems just like his boss sneaking out the back door of Bute House he intends to sneak in the back door of Holyrood.

    I’ll wait with baited breath (I couldn’t give a toss about him in reality) if he is up front or a sneak thief.

    • Dr Jim says:

      It displays the lack of confidence the Tories have in themselves that their so called leader is too afraid to put his leadership to the test and present his case to the actual voters of a constituency in Scotland and so takes the sneaks route by inveigling himself into a seat using the guile and deception of the proportional representation system that the Tories actually oppose in their own parliament of Westminster where they can control their one party state system

      There are those who would argue England is not a one party state I would ask them to prove that Labour Lib Dem and Tories do not have one and the same motive, total dominance and ownership of the three other countries under their control, for if they were not a one party state the House Of Lords would not exist as each party for all of our lifetime has promised to reform or abolish that place yet never do they in fact increase the numbers of that rewards for services chamber of unelected holders of power

    • grizebard says:

      “bated breath”. {sigh}

      Or are you just trying to bait me…? {grin}

      • Welsh Siôn says:

        Do we have to repeat the joke?

        cat – cheese – eating – mousehole – waiting outside


        • Welsh Siôn says:

          grizebard and myself – the grammar police.

          No one escapes grizebard and myself … things like this are clickbate [sic.] to us … 🙂

          • Bob Lamont says:

            Perhaps you may be amused by this if you haven’t seen it already.

            • Dr Jim says:

              The headline should maybe read something like

              *BBC demand no staff in their employ have an opinion, even secretly*

              Job requirements include stupidity lack of awareness and faithful servitude to the decisions and aims of the Reich, Oops! correction BBC, people with minds of their own need not apply

              We should go into the programmable robot building business Bob there’s definitely a future in it

              • grizebard says:

                This is how they do it. There’s no need to send (ultimately discoverable) partisan directives to staff, it’s enough to exclusively employ those who are “one of us”, and the communal groupthink sweetly does the rest. Each of them probably believes that they are being honest and fair, despite the fact that these days their output manifestly (to anyone else) only represents under half of the population.

                • Dr Jim says:

                  Can you imagine any other job where the employer demands that employees have no political interests, I’m thinking that might be something any employee or prospective job applicant might want to seek advice on whether that’s even legal or not on human rights grounds

                  I’ll bet the police fire service or medical staff aren’t subjected to that sort of question or condition of employment, perhaps there’ll be BBC staff right at this moment asking questions of their union reps on this one, and how could the BBC even find out if they did have political affiliations or views and would they dare sack them for it if they did find out, sounds like tribunal territory to me, but then again Hitler did it this way didn’t he, they took over the public services then invaded their own country

                  I thought for a second I’d gone too far there I’ll delete that, then thought, well maybe not

              • Bob Lamont says:

                Programming a machine even to self-harm is easy, programming a sentient human to do so is a considerably more difficult but not impossible as Brexit amply demonstrated.

                The *BBC demand no staff in their employ have an opinion, even secretly* is probably true,but less a point that staff hold no opinion than they suppress expression of it even privately on penalty of losing their job, in short a culture of professional fear, doubtless reinforced by NDAs.

                Yet it is the particular arrogance of BBC Scotland John highlights in his contrasts, in this particular case with BBC Wales, Pacific Quay’s output is uniquely anti-indy thereby anti-SG/SNP, and always highlighting the individual as the target for distrust.
                eg – Their recent contrived scandals over nosocomial infections and care-home admissions serve no useful public purpose, indeed they are gauged to agitate. In platforming opposition politicians as a bulwark against these contrived “disasters”, the objective is obviously political.
                That’s no more journalism than perma-angry Chris Musson posturing as “holding government to account” while demanding the FM admit “you’ve failed”, it’s blatant propaganda.

          • Drew Anderson says:

            Your comment is pedant bait I’m afraid. Using the wrong homophone isn’t a grammatical error. “Baited” rather than “bated” may have offended the eye, but it was used in a grammatically correct sentence.

        • grizebard says:

          No, we have de-bated this too much already! {grin}

      • jfngw says:

        No, my spelling seems to be deteriorating with my age, so if the spell checker doesn’t flag it up as I type the likelihood is I’ll not spot it (sometimes I do but after it is posted). I also have a tendency to modify something I’ve written and forget to remove all the parts I want replaced, ends up gibberish, or a cryptic post requiring decoding.

  34. Ken2 says:

    The unionist (Leslie Evans) mucked up the electoral system in Scotland. So they would always get it. First preference votes go in the bin. To let third rate losers in. Voters cannot get rid of them. Then they go into the HoL. Unelected.

    • grizebard says:

      Oh, don’t be silly. The decision in any event was not taken by Leslie Evans, or any other individual. Wales is soon to adopt the same system as us for its local elections, and Ireland (both sides) has been using it for years.

      Try visiting the website of the Electoral Reform Society for enlightenment. (A forlorn hope in your case, maybe, but you never know…)

  35. Pogmothon says:

    I’ll give it another go the last attempt went to moderation. I would suppose because of the earthier language, so attempt to self moderate whitout removing the creative spelling.

    It’s now gone past just getting on my t*!s and I do not wish to hear any more whining about it.
    Initially it was of interest and seemed to be a ligitimate question to which I and many others would have loved to hear the answer. Supposing that it would place the cabal at westminster under more pressure.
    However it has now got to the stage where YOU ARE NOW DOING THE unionists JOB FOR THEM by causing disent and disruption in the ranks and disaffecting possible converts.

    ALL, All the people irrispective of their position. Espeshally the ones who are supposidly smarter than me. Need to consider very carfully how their actions and demands effect the prospect of Scotland reasserting its Nationhood.
    Not just that, but they need to accept that the answer to their constant demands for a plan “B” or more detailed Knowlege of plan “A” is reserved to the First Minister and her selected team.

    And whether they like it or not the answer is quite simple “IT’S ABOVE YOUR PAY GRADE”.

    So stop wi the terrier dug act, an leave it the F alone!!!!
    At the appropriate time and when it is neccessary for you to know in order to further Scottish Independance. I have no doubt you along with the rest of us will be made aware of the next stage of the plan. (If indeed there is one?)
    Or is it your desire to lend more of a hand to the unoinists and perhaps give succor to the enemy, and a stick to beat us with. or perhaps you’d like to start a new Independance Party. Have you even asked your self why none of the unionist are doing these things or asking these questions.
    IMO it’s because you are all doing such a good job of it.
    Why do you think these demands are only made of Hollyrood and the SNP.
    Where are the incessant demands for plan “B”, from LBJ on the Good Friday Agreement, Covid Approach, Any Trade Deal, NHS protection Etc…Etc.
    So jist gees a breck.
    All the energy you are expending on demands for plan “B” and or access to plan “A” would be better spent trying to futher the Independance Cause.
    Rather than quisling the elected leadership who are operating in the real world. Not the “what if”, “suppose” that you all seem to inhabit. Nor the “sunny uplands” of the union brigade.
    Get a grip, Hae a word wi yursel, keep yur mooth shut, an be thowt an edjit, rither than open it and confirm it.

  36. Petra says:

    How did that happen?

    ‘Tories increase vote share in by-election win in Scotland.’


    ‘Pro-indy parties make progress in Clackmannanshire East by-election.’

  37. Petra says:

    ‘Understanding The D’Hondt Voting System. A very simple and real example of the Holyrood D’Hondt voting system using Glasgow Region as a live example.’



    Philip Sim:- ”Boris Johnson’s speech to the Scottish Tory conference this morning – seeks to clarify that he was attacking the SNP, not devolution itself, then pivots to thanking ScotGov for cooperation during pandemic and says this should continue. Getting to that softer approach, eventually?”

  38. Petra says:

    ‘Douglas Ross is the subject of a SECOND FIFA investigation. He has been accused of using his football connections” to win votes.The Tories shared an interview with FourFourTwo magazine on their social media. It featured a photo of him in his with SFA logo. Which breaks FIFA rules.”


    ‘Scotland’s Dirty Secret.’

  39. Petra says:

    By-passing Holyrood.

    ”Scottish Conservatives. It’s about time Scottish councils got the resources they need. Fair funding for local authorities will strengthen local government and deliver for residents.”


    Helping the Scottish councils as the English councils go down the stank? Strange 😀.

    ”English Conservatives. Eight out of 10 English councils at risk of bankruptcy (June 2020).”

  40. Petra says:



    Check out Ann’s latest links on the Indyref2 site.

  41. Petra says:

    Rifkind joining the Panic Club 😀.

    ‘Union: Tories in ‘deep panic mode’ with federalism calls.’

    ..”Sir Malcolm Rifkind spent three years as Margaret Thatcher’s man in Scotland and once made a bid for leadership of the party. Now the former Edinburgh Pentlands MP, who also served under John Major, has called for a new federal UK to save the Union.”..

  42. jfngw says:

    I see the National are reporting the Welsh and Scottish governments are not signed up, as the BBC have been widely reporting, to the Boris Johnson panto season easing of restrictions. Is this more propaganda being put in place to undermine the SG when they reveal they are not going to follow Santa Johnson and his death wish rules. I can see the MSM getting the headlines ready now ‘ Nicola Cancels Xmas’.

  43. Ken2 says:

    The illegal Barnett Formula. Rifkind was part of the cover up. Kept it secret. Thatcher’s henchman. Illegal wars, financial fraud and tax evasion.

    These people are coming out of the woodwork to try and save themselves. To keep troughing on public monies. They do not care about anyone else and never will. They are a complete and utter disgrace. Their time is over. Vote them out for a better world and prosperity.

    ‘Save the world’. All they care about is saving themselves. Their day is over. The deceit and lies. It is a disgusting disgrace The way they have treated people.

  44. Ken2 says:

    The Tories cut all council funding. Cut £Billion from NHS, Education, Welfare. £13Billion+ a year. From 2015 to 2020. On average UK tax revenues £666Billion+.

    Cut the Scottish block grant (illegally) 10% a year. When Scottish tax revenues had increased. From £63Billion+to £66Billion+ last year, Scottish tax revenues pays for all (UK) Gov pensions/benefits, £15Billion+ a year.

    The SNP Scottish Gov have to mitigate the cuts. Austerity. Causing hardship and misery.

  45. Ken2 says:

    What on Earth. Matt Hancock’s dept billed the taxpayers £50K on takeaway’s.

    It is disgraceful the corruption in Westminster accounts. Non accountable, unscrutinised illegal contracts. For the Tories and their associates.

  46. Old Pete says:

    Notice Shite over Scotland still attacking the SNP from distant Bath. Since the Kezia Dugdale incident he has never forgiven Nicola and the SNP for criticising his remarks on Oliver Mundell.
    Infiltrate then disrupt, divide and defeat has always been the English way of controlling its colonies. You have to wonder ?

    • Hamish100 says:

      Yeh I have also noticed the tendency as in many right wing or even very left wing sites to “out” individuals on site. A disturbing tendency that many of us should rethink. Look at the USA as an example.
      It’s well over a year since the site concerned has turned to work with the unionists.
      We are well on the path to our dream. Hold fast with pro independence sites.

    • Dr Jim says:

      The Scottish Taliban leader and author of the Bathistan Chronicle with every sense of irony coupled with the total belief that enough Scottish people are stupid enough not to notice that he uses factionalism to boldly fight what he calls factionalism in attempts to fulfill his destiny which is the subversion of democracy the way normal people see it to be replaced by his correct definition of democracy

      This is a person who refers to himself as *we* Nuff said?

    • Petra says:

      Westminster’s right hand man for quite some time now which explains why he didn’t like anyone mentioning ”a parcel of rogues” on his site. Blocked people from mentioning it in fact. Too close to home for his liking, eh?

  47. The Linesman’s Tale :- Part One

    This may take some time so I’ll break it down in to sizable attention spanning chunks.

    I’ve just caught up with Sunday through the wonders of I Player Youtube and Irish French German and Italian newspapers.

    It looks like Wee Andra Kerr has landed the anchor spot for the ‘Politics Scotland’ bulletins.

    In the week end of the no such thing as a Scottish Conservative Party virtual Conference, I tuned in, certain that, given the ‘iter sabbati’ through which the Blue Meanies have gone, then Wee Andra would have several big juicy bones to ‘Yes But, Hang On A Minute, Just To Be Clear, So What You’re Saying Is’ sink his teeth into .

    Johnson declaring Devolution North of the Border (so we are a separate country then?) as a disaster, Tony Blair’s biggest mistake.

    Priti Patel shouting swearing bullying harassing civil servants ‘unintentionally’ whitewash, the PPE ‘chumocracy’ scandal, where a Spanish spiv gets £19 million for phoning China, and another friend of the Blue Meanies makes enough to buy a £1.5 million Tudor Mansion, and pay himself and his wife hundreds of thousands to procure PPE .

    Look up the details, Duggers, this is getting too long already..

    The Indyref polls, and Approval Ratings of Johnson/ Sturgeon, and the 4 Governments’ handling of the Covid crisis made for drastically sad reading if you were a Jock Blue Meanie this week.

    Brown was dragged out into his back garden again, and Malcolm Rifkind (remember the Chinese cash for influence sting?) joining the Clunking Fist in arguing for a Convention and Federalism.

    Like ancient Rome upon which the Brit Empire was modelled, Johnson’s Empire 2 was crumbling to dust by the minute, and that’s before we reach the Brexit No Deal buffers.

    And as sure as it don’t rain in Minneapolis in the summer time, the Linesman got a ten minute spot on BBC Scotland Sunday Bollocktics, doubtless pumping with adrenalin in anticipation of the Andrew Neill level grilling tieless Kerr was about to subject him.

    Och, don’t be silly. It’s the new improved culled BBC Northern Stockade.

    I’ll stop now. Back later with the Exocet missile deadly barrage of questions fired mercilessly at the Linesman by Kerr.

  48. The Linesman’s Tale Part Two

    The interview was pre recorded, but with skilful editing, it was broadcast as though live.

    It matters, but, later.

    It was clear from the get go that Kerr was merely acting as a teleprompt for Dross.

    The questions were asked, The Linesman gave his answers peppered with SNP Bad 13 1/2 years ‘schools, hospitals jobs the economy, devolve decisions to LA’s funded by WM…the usual unchallenged guff.’

    Question One.

    ‘The PM says this week that Devolution is a disaster. What difference will your plans to local communities?’

    ‘Well this has been the central theme of my speech this week…blah de blah SNP Bad…

    Question Two

    Big Focus in your speech on towns and villages. Is that where your base is? Have you given up on the cities?’

    No, not at all but when the Bad SNP concentrate on the Central Belt…ya de yah.

    Question Three

    ‘Let’s stick with Devolution . Of course the Prime Minister , his speech at your virtual conference was talking about his controversial comments this week. He was still reported to having been saying it was Tony Blair’s biggest mistake . He really doesn’t like it does he?’

    The Linesman corrects Kerr. ‘He does’.

    Mayor of London twice blah de blah…Bad SNP Holyrood schools hospitals law and order want to separate Scotland from the UK…

    Question Four

    ‘What was the Prime Minister up to in that speech to ‘Northern’ (my parenthesis) MPs? Was he playing to the gallery, do you think? Have you spoken to the Prime Minister this week?’

    The Linesman reassures us all that he has spoken to the PM, texted him, been in discussions with Number 10, and was going to have a ‘sit down’ with ‘the Prime Minister’ (neither man mentioned ‘the Prime Minister’ by name. Perhaps his very name, Boris Johnson, is already too toxic.) last Wednesday but it was cancelled ‘cos Johnson had to self isolate.

    ‘But I’m in regular contact with number 10 and the PM, to ensure that Scotland’s is very well heard.’


    Sounds like Dross has more access to Johnson that B-Lister Jack?
    Or the FM?

    Aye, richt.

  49. The Linesman’s Tale :- Part Three

    Question Five

    ‘So you as Leader of the Scottish Conservatives, you had your first Conference speech yesterday, do you feel that you are doing this job with one hand tied behind your back ? Even two hands tied behind your back? That’s the message I’ve been getting from Scottish Conservatives I’ve been speaking to this week’.

    I quote Dross’ mock indignant response verbatim.

    “Well anyone who saw yesterday’s speech will see I am absolutely up for the fight. So if anyone thinks that I have one or two hands tied behind my back, I can assure them that I am absolutely determined to continue fighting hard for every single person, family, and community across Scotland.” (This drivel is meaningless of course. Ed.)

    Question Six

    ‘Now in your speech you said you would be fighting this election on the SNP’s record in power, not about Independence, but this is an election about what the people want it to be about and Professor Sir John Curtice was pointing out that actually it does seem that people want it to be about independence.’

    The Linesman, chary of slagging the Prof murmurs:- ‘Well, far be it for me to criticise Sir John Curtice BUT….’ Then the usual garbage about opinion poll not wanting Indyref for 5 years and that ‘we were told this was settled 6 years ago’.

    Question Seven

    ‘But that’s perhaps a different strand (whit ! Ed.) to the argument.
    It’s about the strategy for this election. You don’t want it to be about independence but if you want to look for a new strategy what is the positive case for the Union?’

    The Linesman is wilting by now. Rishi Sunak furlough million jobs saved vaccine and a message of ‘hope’ going forward.

    Question Eight

    ‘ Do you actually think that be First Minister?
    ‘In it to win it’ etc., etc.,

    And that was it.
    A ten minute free ride courtesy of Planation Quay.

    This man thinks that he can become FM.

    I checked on Youtube. Surely not?

    But there he was, miraculously transposed to Ibrox park running the line, 12.00 o’clock kick off.

    So even during the Blue Meanies Jock Conference week end, this wee carpetbagger was off on his toes from Plantation Quay to Ibrox picking up pin money; so much for him being ‘absolutely up for the fight’.

    If the PM phoned between 12.00 and 14.00 hrs yesterday, would Dross have answered?
    Of course not.

    How can even the most die hard Jock Blue Meanie take this man seriously?

    He obviously doesn’t see anything wrong with moonlighting with the SFA while lying to us all that neither of his hands are tied behind his back and that he is ‘fighting for ‘every single person, family, and community across Scotland.’

    This BBC Plantation Quay slice of Blue Tory Propaganda may be a sample of what we can expect.

    A prerecorded PPB with 8 tepid pre-notified questions from Kerr, with no interruptions or challenges to Dross’ lies, spliced into the ‘live’ broadcast to fool us mugs into thinking that the Linesman was actually there, being spontaneous, actually in the studio, doing his day job.
    Wag The Dog.

    Not one ‘Yes but’, not one, ‘Hang On a Minute’

    Nothing about Brexit.

    They could have replaced Kerr with a Ham shank and nobody would have noticed.


    • Alex Clark says:

      Excellent report and thanks for writing it up, brought a few laughs but part three and the questions. Total disgrace what passes for “unbiased” media political coverage in Scotland.

      Scunnered, you should be!

  50. Dr Jim says:

    No matter what the government in Westminster say or do the British media still treat the institution of that government with respect because they are no matter how they behave, (hushed tones) the government

    In Scotland our government are treated with the respect the Westminster government tells the media to have for them. which is none, no hushed tones for our lot, no acceptance to the fact that they decide what happens within Scotland, no, the media in Scotland considers (spit out tones) the *Scottish government* to be an imposition placed upon them personally that they, the media, don’t want to be bothered with as it’s beneath their imaginary stature that got in the way from them interviewing the real government, when they deigned to come to Scotland that is, so now the Scottish media invented the job for themselves as the opposition party that nobody voted for, and how much better is that than actually standing for parliament

    It seems that everyone and his bag of sweeties from far wide and other countries are insisting that Scotland’s government and its people desperately need their uninvited help, and that would be fine if the countries the *help* is being offered from were the good sensible countries but it’s not is it, we keep getting the real mad loony brigade from mental ex Scots who live in England

    I know what you’re thinking and you’re right but I’m going to mention Andrew Neil Andrew Marr Michael Gove George Galloway as a small example of ex Scots who within what seems minutes of taking up residence in England imagine they’ve become superior and more clevererer than the rest of us

    Must be the Cocaine in the unfiltered sewage water supply that the Calgon can’t destroy

  51. Jacksg says:

    I have just seen the PM recent announcement on COVID in the Guardian. What a bloody shitshow.

    They have spent three weeks in lockdown to fix their laughable test and trace and what have they achieved. Precisely Hee haw.

    Now all the shops and Gyms can open, and 4000 fans can attend a football match. Absolute lunacy 😠

    • Alex Clark says:

      It’s beyond belief, the BBC even describing them as “tougher tiers”. It won’t end well if there is another u-turn and another total lockdown brought in.

      You never see much of Professor Chris Whitty the Chief Medical Officer these days, nor come to think of it, his sidekick Sir Patrick Vallance, the Chief Scientific Advisor.

      They’re probably too busy right now dealing with Covid to make TV appearances.

      • Legerwood says:

        I noticed their absence too and wondered if they were in splendid isolation after getting too close to some Tory MPs

  52. vivianoblivian7 says:

    Latest YouGov, Westminster voting intentions, Scottish sub-sample (field work 17 – 18 Nov).
    Con 18%, Lab 18%, LibDem 3%, SNP 55%, Green 4%.
    It’s just a sub-sample, just a bit of fun, but this is the only time I’ve seen the Greens out poll the LibDems.
    More plausibly, sum the last 8 sub-samples to create a full size population sample (1,000+) and average. This actually works (to a degree). Figures and trend.
    Con 19.75% down, Lab 17.0% level, LibDem 4.6% down, SNP 51.25% up.

  53. Republicofscotland says:

    One has to wonder, I we haven’t seen Sturgeon reiterate Blackford’s claim that they’ll be an indyref next year, maybe she has, of course it doesn’t cost anything and garners goodwill from the indy faithful to have an independence pledge in next years manifesto, and to have bills passed to pave the way for it.

    All very convincing if you ask me, but are the usual suspects Sturgeon, Wishart, Blackford etc just in early campaigning mode to draw voters in with dreams of an independent Scotland, via an indyref next year.

    With no Plan B to fall back on, it looks like if there were to be an indyref next year (I think its very unlikely) we’d need to rely on Johnson agreeing to an S30, which he has stated that he will not issue. Martin Keating’s hearing on whether we need an S30 or not will take place on the 21st and 22nd of January next year, despite the Scottish government and the Lord Advocates failed attempts to block Mr Keating from finding out whether we need an S30 or not.

    One must surely ask themselves why the Scottish government and the Lord Advocate wanted to block Mr Keating, surely it should’ve been the SNP governments job to find this out, and let to a private citizen to crowd fund it.

    • douglasclark says:

      I have, financially supported Martin Keatings action. In retrospect I’d still do it!

    • grizebard says:

      There you go again on your “no plan B” mantra. It’s getting to be an infestation. You seem to believe that if you simply ignore all the responses you’ve had so far it will somehow make a difference anyway, but actually we’re bored, bored, bored by its utter futility.

      • Welsh Siôn says:


        You know that to repeat something often enough is a means by which language teachers try to instil learning into their students? It’s called a drill.

        Consequently, we can say a drill is a boring tool used by language teachers.


  54. douglasclark says:

    I have found it easiest, over a good few years, to take anything the Gordon Brown says as inspired (?) by self interest. At one stage, early on in his regieme, folk supported him. I did not. I found it easier on the mind to assume that everything he said had a counterpoint. And that, usually, the counterpoint was more convincing than his narrative. Words were never followed by actions that left the UK in a better position than he started with.

    Fortunately, for him, he will go down in history as the interregnum between a right wing conservative, Blair, and yet another right wing conservative, Cameron. That transfer of power was enabled by Gordon Brown. Historians will hardly care.

    That is all he brought to the table.

    So, I have no idea why anyone is listening to him now. Quite why he is not standing on the rooftops screaming about his, ‘personal’ vow being disrespected, suggest that he has an inner and outer surface and neither of them are consistent.

    Take it from me, dear reader, it is my default position that whatever Gordon Brown says he believes in, is the opposite of the word ‘achievable’. Or in his case, desireable.

    • grizebard says:

      I know. What actually motivates him now puzzles me.

      If he were an honest man, he would long ago have made it clear that the promises he made back when were not only not honoured, they were grossly traduced (not least by his own party, the biggest renegers of the Smith Commission). Then he might have deserved and recovered at least some respect. He should have had the humility to admit that he was offering assurances that were based on nothing more than wishful thinking, but humility was obviously never his thing.

      However doing it all again now, in circumstances where it isn’t even wishful thinking but downright near-impossible, is crossing a line, even for a politician. A line of no return. It’s plain disrespectful of the people of Scotland, and as such is thoroughly contemptible.

  55. Alex Clark says:

    We need all pull together in one final push to the spring when we defeat this nasty virus. Says the clown in charge of the UK.

    Meanwhile, the scientists in SAGE who are watching live on telly are all shaking their heads and wishing they’d never signed up to “advise” this government in the first place.

  56. Dr Jim says:

    It’s a dangerous politician who weighs up the balance between trying to create more popularity for himself by allowing more people the freedom of choice whether to kill themselves or to risk people realising that politician is just trying to make himself more popular
    The people of England may decide to empty their heads of basic common sense and deliberately ignore the truth or they may use their intelligence and do what they know to be the right thing to keep themselves alive, in either case the dangerous politician juggling popularity and risk to human life will get the blame if and when it goes wrong, and there’s every likely hood that by the middle of January the people of England won’t be blaming themselves if and when it does

    Maybe nobody told Boris Johnson that the politician always always gets the blame because the people always always say: But he/she said! which absolves all human beings from self blame

    • Legerwood says:

      He has just done the same thing that he did in the summer which was basically: everything is open go and enjoy yourself. He has not learned anything from what happened the last time.

  57. Republicofscotland says:

    An interesting explanation from Pete Wishart as to which route we’d take if Johnson keeps on sayin nog to the S30 order. I found this paragraph worth a mention, as it conflicts with current SNP policy of a no Plan B approach.

    “But just say those who profoundly believe ‘he will never agree’ are right and we are in a situation where even with a majority a referendum is ‘refused’. What happens next? Well something would have to give. It would be intolerable for any Government to forbid a nation to progress to a new constitutional arrangement if a majority desire it. ”

    “At this stage we would face two choices. We could either embark on a series of measures to ‘make’ the UK face up to its democratic responsibilities or we determine a process that would no longer involve the UK as a partner and hope that any outcome would be respected by the international community and continue to carry the support of the Scottish people.”

    • Alex Clark says:

      There is only one plan and it doesn’t have a letter after the word plan.

      Who is it that is currently panicking over support for Independence?

    • Dr Jim says:

      The assumption that there is a no plan B policy is incorrect, the policy is there will be no talking about a plan B policy, which is an entirely different policy, no one is saying there are or aren’t contingencies and it would be foolish to talk about them if there were

      I seem to remember the UK government adopted a similar position over Brexit to which all interested parties attempted constantly to extract information as to what plans ABC and so forth were

      • Alex Clark says:

        A “plan” doesn’t have a single focus, such that if it falls at the first hurdle then the “plan” is over and we need to go back and rewrite a new plan. How ridiculous is that?

        A plan, like a game of chess, considers all the possible opponent’s moves that they can see based on the current situation. A good plan considers the next step for every possible response from their opponent. As the position changes and evolves, then so too does the plan.

        Plan A, then Plan B, then Plan C is an infantile way of looking at any serious strategy for gaining Independence. This has been nothing but a diversion and a good method of attacking the SNP.

        Who would want to do that most?

        • Golfnut says:

          The SNP don’t have a plan, they have a strategy. That strategy will be both proactive and passive and if the Strategy and sub strategies are good you probably won’t be able to tell the difference.

    • grizebard says:

      Oh, do yourself and us a favour and take your noisome propaganda back to where it came from. There’s no useful debate to be had on this matter until events unfold after the election. (Though one suspects that by then you will have vanished as suddenly as you appeared.)

  58. jfngw says:

    BBC pushing hard an EIS survey quoting figures percentage figures, but the one they missed is what percentage of teachers took part in this survey. It is disingenuous to claim 30% of teachers support a certain position if only a small percentage actually took the voluntary survey.

    The EIS are coming across as another Anti-SNP positioned organisation, they seem to be politically positioned in the same area as Labour, how strange.

    Also the head of Labour in Scotland, at lunchtime, demanding only those tested should be allowed back into care homes. From this I deduce he wants either forced testing of those at end of life or that they be made to die in hospital, there is no middle ground on this one.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Yep, there are elderly people with assorted complications of illnesses involved who for reasons of reasonable care both mentally and physically cannot tolerate a 6 inch swab in their throat and nose that can in some cases induce sheer terror, that’s always been the clinical policy when releasing elderly patients into care homes providing the homes pursue the correct disciplines of infection control on arrival, the opposition never want to talk about those circumstances and never want to mention the staff or visitor responsibilities as causes of infection, they just want to imply the FM or SG don’t care, it’s low and it’s nasty but quite expected, cue Neil Findlay pretendy choking up as if he doesn’t understand how the FM can be so evil in her Independenceness

    • Petra says:

      ”The EIS are coming across as another Anti-SNP positioned organisation, they seem to be politically positioned in the same area as Labour, how strange.”..

      ”Larry Flanagan (born Scotland 1955) is a Scottish trade union leader (EIS) and former politician. Flanagan attended the University of Stirling before becoming a teacher at Blantyre High School. He also became active in the Militant Tendency and in the Labour Party.”..

      And the last I heard his brother was heavily involved with the EIS too.

      ‘Aberdeenshire maths teacher is new EIS vice-president.’

    • Bob Lamont says:

      The GCC Labour fiasco over equal pay was eventually resolved under the new SNP administration, but payment wasn’t been made fast enough so far as the Union and Labour were concerned so they organised a march to protest..

      Where SNP are concerned it is not just DRoss and Davidson who are two-faced hypocrites and opportunists…

    • grizebard says:

      Oh indeed. It’s pathetic last-gasp Bouncing Man rescue strategy for the elections. The Labour moan escalated into putative strike action during a crisis, FGS, as if that will help anyone. Not even their woebegone “leader”. They even had the nerve to accuse the SG of “being political”! Projection, nothing else. The two-faced shit-stirrers, they’re already fully involved in the decision-making over schools. If they have any reasonable issues to discuss, the SG door is always wide open to them, as well they know, but they run for help from the right-wing rags instead.

      This coming election is going to decimate the NorthBritLab Whiner Party. Deservedly. And the sooner the better for everyone’s sake.

  59. Tam the Bam says:

    BBC Misreporting Scotland has devoted all of 30 secs. covering the opening of the new Scottish Investment Bank.
    They allocate 5 Minutes to yet another meandering non-story concerning care homes.

    • Stephen McKenzie says:

      Tam, its been s sham of a news programme for years. Anything and everything to try and run down Scotland for its masters is all it cares about.

      Did they quote Scotlands Covid statistics today? I never heard it.

      But then of course it was EIS day.. as tomorrow’s main story will be “Sturgeon bans visiting your Granny at New Year” along with various voice pops demanding free black bun and extra helpings of Jackie Bird.

      • Petra says:

        The journalists at the briefing today, some, had moved on from Xmas and were focusing on Hogmanay.already primed to rip Spoiler Sturgeon apart.

  60. Alex Clark says:

    Prof Chris Whitty due to make a rare appearance alongside the PM, should be interesting.

  61. Whitty and the guy from the vaccine lab both look frightened Whitty especially horror and fear in their eyes, Boris babbling throwing arms and hands forward punching the air and blethering nonsense when asked a question .
    He isn’t able so he babbles on , fake advice fake information winging it .

    Poor old England , you gave the job of Prime minister to a buffoon

  62. Ken2 says:

    When the time comes. The time is right for the Scottish Gov to go to Court. It can be legitimately funded by Scottish taxpayers. It would be a simpler process.

    Or not needed or necessary if another IndyRef is conceded. It could go ahead without the Court process or action. It is just an ongoing process. When the voters vote for it.

  63. Petra says:

    ‘Revealed: Boris Johnson’s controversial policy chief leading secretive NHS task force.’

    ..”Boris Johnson’s government has for the first time confirmed the existence of a prime ministerial task force which is reportedly planning a “radical shake-up of the NHS”.”..

    ..”Mirza, a political appointee who previously worked for Johnson when he was London mayor, has no background or policy experience in health. The disclosures also reveal that whilst some Department of Health officials do attend the task force, it is led by four senior civil servants based at the Treasury, and none of whom are from the Department of Health.”..

    ..”What today’s disclosures do show is that the task force’s civil service policy lead is Adrian Masters. An alumnus of the management consultancy McKinsey, Masters played a key role in shaping the last major piece of NHS legislation, the 2012 Health and Social Care Act.”..

    ..”Boris Johnson has faced criticism for appointing political allies with no health experience to key roles in the COVID-19 response. Test and Trace head Dido Harding, another former McKinsey employee and Tory peer, is in the process of taking over a large portion of the soon-to-be-abolished Public Health England’s remit, the government announced in August. She has also been tipped as favourite to take over as chief executive of the English NHS from the current incumbent, Simon Stevens, next year.”..

    • Welsh Siôn says:

      This from Petra’s article, too:

      The task force also includes William Warr: Johnson’s health advisor and a former lobbyist at the firm of Lynton Crosby, who masterminded numerous Conservative Party election campaigns and Johnson’s successful 2008 London mayoral bid.

      Warr described the NHS as “outdated” in a Telegraph article [LINKED BELOW] penned shortly before he and Johnson entered Downing Street last year, suggesting that the incoming prime minister should ask himself: “If I created the NHS today from scratch, what would it look like?” Warr answered: “Nothing like the monolith we have today.”


      So …I just managed to sneak this out before the Telegraph drawbridge came crashing down:

      The Telegraph – 19 July 2019

      William Warr

      Our outdated health system is obsessed with treating diseases rather than preventing them in the first place

      The Tory leadership race is now coming to an end, after an extraordinary few months in which we’ve heard about citizens’ assemblies, the merits and demerits of proroguing Parliament and (literal) kippers. But what is perhaps most remarkable, given public sentiment, is that neither of the two remaining candidates has said much about the National Health Service. According to one recent poll, the public believe the NHS should be the next prime minister’s top spending priority. 

      When the next PM takes office, they should perform a simple thought experiment, and ask themselves the following question: “If I created the NHS today from scratch, what would it look like?” The answer would be – nothing like the monolith we have today.

      Our highly centralised healthcare model dates back to a different era of disease: a time of post-war rationing, long before obesity was an issue, before science showed how genes affect disease risk; before the advent of vaccines for major infectious diseases such as polio; before smartphones enabled a shift from episodic acute care in hospitals, characteristic of infectious diseases, to continuous management of chronic disease from the home. The NHS legacy system has failed to embrace these shifts and is hopelessly ill-equipped to deal with the chronic diseases threatening the public’s health today.

      But more money is not the solution. The ageing population is often touted as the reason health spending needs to increase faster than economic growth, but this is not the case. The NHS’s own chief economist has confirmed that ageing makes a very small difference to overall costs. 
      Over the last 20 years, funding has poured into healthcare in response to headlines warning of immediate crises, increasing in real terms from £60bn to over £150bn, even before the PM’s additional £20bn pledge last year. There are of course fundamental issues with the way funds have been deployed, not to mention serious problems with nurse training, junior doctor morale, pension taxation for senior clinicians and a fatal lack of integration with social care. Yet all too often, additional funding has merely been used to treat the symptoms of NHS pressure – waiting times, staff productivity – rather than the causes of pressure: the public health crisis.

      Traditional public health policies treat everyone the same regardless of their lifestyles or risk of disease. Although such interventions have been successful in the past, they also exacerbate inequalities and restrict personal freedoms – “sin taxes” like the levy on sugary drinks are regressive, while public health messaging campaigns resonate predominantly with the middle classes. 

      The only way to prevent is to predict. And DNA is the best predictor around. Today, through a genetic test costing £20 we can identify individuals with a 4-5 times greater risk of contracting every major chronic illness. Why would you spend limited government resources screening and treating the whole population the same, when you could focus on those most at risk, and not restrict the personal liberties of individuals whose protective genetic traits leave them at a very low risk?

      The average individual spends six hours each year in the NHS. The same person spends three hours a day on their phone. Smartphones can nudge and guide individuals towards healthier habits, shifting autonomy away from doctors and towards the individual. Yet the NHS’s digital efforts have been feeble, relying on clunky, crash-prone apps, while the technology industry has largely focused on getting people addicted to swiping right with their thumbs, rather than promoting physical activity. This is now changing, with many tech companies pivoting into healthcare ventures. The NHS of the future should engage patients using their mobile devices to encourage healthier lifestyles.

      Beyond technology, the NHS must prioritise prevention, though the politics of this are tricky. The poet Joseph Malins outlined this very dilemma in a work of 1895.

      “A fence may be useful or not, it is true,

      But each heart became brimful of pity
      For those who slipped over that dangerous cliff; 
      And the dwellers in highway and alley
      Gave pounds or gave pence, not to put up a fence, 
      But an ambulance down in the valley.”

      Astonishingly little has changed. To date, the NHS has invested in a system that prizes ambulances over fences, that is obsessed with treating diseases rather than preventing them in the first place. Just last week, I interviewed a GP who said he did not have time to guide patients to the most effective weight loss services because he needed to treat their diabetes. I pointed out that being obese increases your risk of type two diabetes 40-fold, to which he replied that there was no financial incentive to treat obesity.

      This not only demonstrates how staff have been brainwashed by the financial targets introduced under Blair, but also how the architects of those targets are failing to do that all-important thought experiment outlined above. It is easier to throw money at the most obvious manifestations of the problem than to start investing in the young and middle ages’ health with non-medical lifestyle interventions, but this is the only way health spending will come under control in the long run. 

      The challenge for the next Prime Minister will be to make the sirens of prevention ring louder than those of the ambulance and to direct interventions intelligently, towards those that need help, rather than mindlessly targeting everyone. You do not need to restrict someone with a fence who has no risk of going near the cliff edge.

      William Warr is a Doctoral Researcher at The University of Oxford

    • Golfnut says:

      The 2012 Health and social care Act, where the UK gov divested itself of the responsibility to provide Health care.

      • Golfnut says:

        Reads a bit like Genitics and eugenics are getting a bit of an airing.

      • Welsh Siôn says:

        This Act has special resonance in this household …

        The wife is an NHS Hearing Therapist (a post we believe that does not exist in Scotland). and is part of the frontline facing external competitive threats from the likes of Specsavers and others as the Tories salami-ise the NHS into the hands of ‘any competent provider’ (aka ‘our mates).

      • grizebard says:

        Oh, the late unlamented Con-Lab coalition. Shirley Williams, who of anyone in the world should have known better, disgraced herself in public by ridiculously claiming that “oh, dear, no, it isn’t backdoor privatisation”. (Just one of the ways the posh-boy Cameron Tories reduced their “pals” the FibDems to inconsequent jelly.) Polly Toynbee excoriated her righteously over it in an article in the Guardian (to which I used to subscribe).

        • grizebard says:

          Sorry, that obviously should be the “Con-Lib” coalition. (Sometimes they all seem to blend into one single multi-headed hydra.)

  64. Tam the Bam says:

    Off Topic:
    Just watched the second part of a documentary entitled ‘Making Scotland’s Landscape’ hosted by Prof. Iain Stewart.
    …. its a good watch.

  65. Republicofscotland says:

    Well this is interesting, Johnson and Gove now blaming Sturgeon for low Brexit deal, Sturgeon has made mistakes but this isn’t one of them, infact its a bonus for Scotland I think.

  66. jfngw says:

    How do you know the BBC is in retain the union mode. Well my radar is telling me that D.Ross has had more air time in Scotland than Keir Starmer. Then there is Reporting Scotland, a stream of stories telling us how bad the Scottish government is tailed with story about the great UK vaccine, the best vaccine in the world, it Trump’s all the others.

    • Welsh Siôn says:

      … the great UK vaccine, the best vaccine in the world, it Trump’s all the others.



    • Republicofscotland says:

      Ah yes the Oxford vaccine, which started off as 70% effective at Lunchtime, and by tea time it had reached 90% effectiveness. The staggering of doses, to reach the 90% caveat was quietly dialled down by the British nationalist media, to make it appear more impressive.

      • jfngw says:

        Yes, they say the golden years of BBC comedy is behind us, but every night there is Reporting Scotland, knocks spots of Spitting Image, isn’t quit as good as The Day Today.

      • Tam the Bam says:

        Oh for heavens sake….read the report:
        1) Trials were carried out vaccinating with 2x high dose.
        2) Trials were carried out vaccinating with half dose + high dose.
        The ‘staggering’ result to which you refer denotes the half dose+ high dose innoculation.
        #happy to help

    • Julia Gibb says:

      Reporting Scotland always reminds me of the movie “Trainspotting”.
      “We are shite……………!”

  67. Alex Clark says:

    I like to follow the news using the website I’m have a look more often than is probably healthy but have it on UK news all the time.

    I’ve used the same site for many months but what sticks out a mile during this second wave of Covis-19 is the headlines from the BBC that proclaim along the lines of:

    “Six residents die in Covid outbreak at care home”

    There have been quite a few in recent weeks that even I in my fleeting visits have seen, every one of them is from BBC Scotland. They must have someone specially tasked with Scottish Government Bad.

    I have never seen a single headline from any source that reveals the number of deaths in any other care home in the UK apart from Scotland. This media we have are utterly disgusting and we will be well rid of them on our Independence. There is such a thing as overkill and they are well past that stage, now only the truly ignorant fail to see the bias and propaganda being pumped out by the BBC.

    I’ll spit on the BBC’s grave.

    • grizebard says:

      The trouble is, it could take the whole notion of free and fair public-service broadcasting down with it.

      (Despite everything, there is a case in this opinion-bubble world to maintain a genuinely-trusted shared source of news and programming. To have any hope of surviving, though, it needs to be communally funded well away from the purse-strings of any government, and properly responsive to the public it exists to serve.)

      • Alex Clark says:

        I agree, I don’t want broadcasting in the hands of the billionaires like Murdoch either.

        However, the BBC is “communally funded” as if you by law if you want to watch it then you must pay the governement a fee for a license. Doesn’t help as since they are controlled totally bt=y the government then so to is the output that will support that government.

        It’s a conundrum.

        • grizebard says:

          I think it’s possible, by means (say) of a non-profit mutual owned by the public and run by a board of governors elected by the public. After all, it’s we the licence-payers who really fund the existing BBC, not the government, which just gets in the way. Get rid of the middle-man!

  68. Tam the Bam says:


    The GSA (General Services Agreement….USA) have just annouced they are commencing transitioning with incoming new President!

  69. Hamish100 says:

    I see Flanagan of the EIS is pushing for strike action for teachers. How low can you get? A pandemic and the EIS tries to take advantage.

    Low paid local government workers and nhs and private healthcare earn a pittance compared to them.

    If they go on strike will EIS members wanting to strike volunteer to work in care homes and put up with 20 days annual leave?

    I know 2 incidents of infection occurring in schools because teachers didn’t social distance during breaks.

    Flanagan has a minority of a minority voting for action.

    Thankfully the majority of teachers are trying their best to educate their pupils.

    This smells of labourite politics.

  70. Julia Gibb says:

    Flanagan is out of touch with teachers, parents, politicians and above all….reality.
    It is not the first time.

    • Dr Jim says:

      It’s got Labour written all over it…….again!

    • grizebard says:

      What these heavy-handed Labourite union types fail to realise is that their would-be disruptive antics during a truly historical crisis can only serve to bring themselves into disrepute, not the SG. They’re an unwelcome throwback to the 1970s.

    • Legerwood says:

      Mr Flanagan represents the EIS on the Covid-19 Education Recovery Group set up by the Scottish Government.

      Full details of the make-up of the group, links to the minutes of their meetings and a link to the dashboard giving details of absences in schools can be found here

      It is worth a read. The dashboard in particular contains useful information. From Mr Flanagan’s statements so faithfully recorded in the Herald you would never know he was part of this group and thus party to the information and research findings that inform its advice to the SG

  71. yesindyref2 says:

    Teachers would NOT be striking for more pay.

    Mr Flanagan continued, “Although members hold a range of opinions on the best means of keeping pupils and teachers safe, there is clear support for moving to industrial action in higher risk areas to protest where teachers feel that the measures required to keep schools safe have not been delivered.”

    Anyone who thinks that unions should not represent their members on the issue of safety at work is Margaret Thatcher and I claim my £5.

    • “”Disappointing @ScotNational repeats @BBCScotlandNews line that “majority of teachers back strike action on level 4 virus risk”. This is majority of 18k teachers who completed the survey (18k of 54k), so under 1 in 4, with very large % with health issues. Please report accurately”

      So, 33% responded.

      What fucking 1960’s planet are you people on?
      Planet Flanagan, Mighty Ming of the Commie Militants?

      Hatred of the SNP is the motive here.
      No one in their right minds believes this guff.
      Hot news..we’re all feeling a bit scared at the moment.
      The vast majority of us are doing out bit to beat this plague, unlike the Larry Flanagans and Neil Findlays of the Red Menace…
      Industrial action? For Feck’s sake.

    • Hamish100 says:

      Should the teachers breaking social distancing rules, meeting their teaching pals out of work and bringing COVID into school get disciplined?

      • Should the 2/3rds who didn’t even respond to Flanagan’s Strike Call just vote the wee agitator out of office?

        What’s his take home pay btw? Six figures plus a big fat earnings related index linked pension?

  72. Capella says:

    Good news, Paul’s article in The National saying he and Peter have bought their new house:

    EXCLUSIVELY for Sunday National readers, Wee Ginger Dug author Paul Kavanagh provides the latest

  73. diabloandco says:

    Delighted to hear the news that you are up and off to Ayrshire.
    Hope Peter likes gardening!

  74. Alex Clark says:

    O/T This is an excellent article from Nature magazine on the Oxford vaccine, looks to me like the government have been over egging the good news again and that a good deal more research will be required before this vaccine obtains regulatory approval.

    Why Oxford’s positive COVID vaccine results are puzzling scientists

    • Bob Lamont says:

      There’s hope and there’s hype, and no-hoper Johnson can’t arrest his fondness for the latter.

  75. Petra says:

    ‘What will it take for Westminster to give Holyrood a second referendum?’

    ..”Meanwhile, Joanna Cherry said: “If next year’s Scottish election is won by the SNP on the back of a clear commitment in our manifesto to hold a second independence referendum, then for the UK government to prevent such a referendum from proceeding would be a truly Trumpian breach of democracy.”



    ..”You would think with all of this that the Yes movement would be ecstatic and even thinking of that first dram celebrating the impending death of the union, but not a bit of it. There are some, particularly on social media, who have become consumed with the view that there will never be an agreed referendum and a strange gloom and fatalism has taken hold.”..

    ..”The EU have always said that they would welcome an independent Scotland back into its ranks but only if independence was pursued constitutionally, legally and in their view, correctly. An uncontested plebiscite and talk of UDI would simply appall them.”..

  76. Old Pete says:

    From Wikipedia

    ‘Larry Flanagan is a Scottish trade union leader and former politician. Flanagan attended the University of Stirling before becoming a teacher at Blantyre High School. He also became active in the Militant Tendency and in the Labour Party. He was elected to Glasgow City Council where he called for the party to oppose the Poll Tax with a campaign of non-payment He hoped to stand in the 1988 Glasgow Govan by-election, but was not considered as a candidate due to his involvement with Militant’

    Might hazard a guess that he is no lover of the SNP or Independence for Scotland.
    In my personal experience a large number of active union members in the Education sector are solid Labour and Britnats. They take any opportunity to push against the SNP government they can.

  77. Petra says:

    Gordon MacIntyre-Kemp:- ‘Is federalism a workable solution for Scotland?’

    …”As a matter of fact, federalism is nearly impossible to implement, as it would be heavily rejected by English voters, especially with only 10% of Conservative voters supporting the idea. As a concept, it falls well short of the powers Scotland would possess as an independent country and thus, would not work as a political alternative to independence. Federalism is often confused with the term “devo-max” which we discuss in another FAQ.”


    ‘Federalism is a trap we should not be lured in to.’

    ”What unites Thatcher’s man in Scotland Sir Malcolm Rifkind and left-wing, anti-Tory firebrand Labour MSP Neil Findlay? They’re both agreed – it’s time for a federal solution to the Scottish question.”..

  78. Petra says:

    How the liars lie and seem to get away with it!

    ‘The battle for Scotland and the language of apocalypse from Andrew Neil and the right.’

    ..”This tendency has been hugely accentuated on the right and pro-union circles, and this against a backdrop of worries, ill-heath, sickness and death over COVID-19. Step forward Andrew Neil who in a debate with SNP MP Alyn Smith said that ‘the level of poverty and deprivation in the East End of Glasgow is unrepeated anywhere in Western Europe’ and that ‘male longevity in parts of the East of Glasgow are on a par with sub-Saharan Africa’.

    Fraser Nelson used his own version of the above this week stating: ‘There are now parts of Glasgow where the life expectancy is worse than Mongolia, worse than Rwanda.’ To add to the groupthink on this Labour MP Ian Murray decided to make this claim even more sweeping saying without any hint of irony that ‘poverty in Glasgow is worse than parts of sub-Saharan Africa’ – taking Neil’s original words and making them into a statement utterly preposterous and insulting both to Glasgow and people living in poverty in Africa.

    Two major factors are at play in all this. One is how life expectancy is understood. In this the continual framing of Glasgow or parts of Glasgow as having levels equivalent to sub-Saharan Africa is totally grotesque and misleading. It is based on work by the Glasgow Centre for Population Health (GCPH), and figures for male life expectancy in the Glasgow East End ward of Carlton affected by the number of hostels and transient population, and a tiny postcode subset – and figures for 1998-2002.

    Neil continually quotes an out of date figure for Calton from nearly twenty years ago of 54 years for male life expectancy; a more recent figure for Calton and Bridgeton in 2012 showed 67.8 years life expectancy for men and 76.6 for women, and since then the area has been further transformed by investment. Yet, this has been made into an almost religious mantra by those on the right to try to prove that devolution and the SNP are not working for Scotland.”..

    • Petra, there is now a bubbling rage among us Scots which will never be quelled.
      Marr Neil Kuenssberg Flanagan Murray and the legions of pip squeak Brit Nat politicians Up Here and the Fourth Estate Fifth Column led by BBC /ITN and the US/ English owned Dead Tree Scrolls insult threaten and lie to the people of Scotland on a daily basis.
      I am threatened by whom? From whom must I seek permission to set in motion the democratic return to Self Determination?

      A Big Fat womanising racist Englishman? Lizzie II of England?
      Baroness Davidson of Rape Clause?
      WE start the process now, as the Brexit shambles unfolds..not next May, when Wishart argues that we ‘wear down’ English resistance.
      I would walk out of WM now, and declare a SGE to be held before Spring and let’s get on with it.

      I watched that mockery of an ‘interview’ between Andrew Kerr and Dross. See my post above.
      Who gives this minority cult the right to forbid us Scots from deciding our own destiny on our terms. The Filthy Rich? The Bankers? The Money Lenders? The Bloody Barons who live in splendid isolation in their huge estates? The Dark hidden power brokers in the organised religions? The British Army, Navy and Air Force, defenders of the Union, who would readily put down us rebellious Scots if ordered to by the Big White adulterer?

      I have had it up to here…

      Independence is inevitable now.
      For those who don’t like it, ‘live with it’, or feck of back to the Dark Star to the South.
      I am more than a little teed off.
      Distorting Scotland today was wall to wall Scotland is shite/ SNP Bad/ NHS a shambles…..with a six second item tucked away at the end, before the weather, that alcohol deaths in Scotland had reduced by 10%. So minimum pricing might be working? SNP good?

      It is about to erupt.

      • Petra says:

        ”I have had it up to here…”

        ME TOO 🤬

        • Petra says:

          And what’s doubly galling Jack is that during the period from 1998-2002 (from my last post) the Labour Party was calling the shots north (Lab – Libdem) and south of the border. NOT the SNP!

          • They were as corrupt as Johnson Ross Murray and Carmichael are today, Petra.
            There are dozens of very well off ‘socialists’ who lined their own pockets while lying to their fellow S for their English paymasters.
            The dam has burst. There is no turning back.
            We shall prevail, within months now.

      • Dr Jim says:

        I believe most of Scotland has *had it up to here* ( hand shoots up over head ) but I also believe that those of us here have a more heightened awareness of it because we pay more attention to what’s happening than most folk so it affects us in a more urgent way, however most folk not like us abroad wider in the country I think now have an acceptance that Scotland is on its way to it’s new destiny and when the opportunity arrives Scotland will grab it with both hands this time

        I’m like you Jack, there are moments of murderous rage just well up at the whole damn thing moving at the speed of sludge in a sewer and I want to get in there and hack the shit out of it to get the blockage broken up but like the rest of the country I’m only armed with one rotten crummy wee vote and I want more, I want banners billboards bloody sky writing folk demanding, but everything’s running a year late and folk like you and I hate every minute of the waiting

        As for the long list of anti Scottish TV *personalities* I guess between us they wouldn’t last long would they, we’d have a ready solution for the lot of them

        • If I were 30 years younger, Jim.

          We have a whole slew of Fifth Columnists selling off Scotland to our English neighbours, willingly, maliciously, and contributing to the needless deaths of their fellow citizens..for money.

          This is not a ‘political’ issue. They are attempting to kill Scotland by corrupt decree and the threat of force of arms now.
          IT is war. A cold war, but naked aggression from the Brits nonetheless.

          And Wishart would have us ‘wear them down’, like some sort of petulant child getting money for ice cream by repeatedly whinging and moaning to the point where their parent eventually ‘gives in’ just to stop the whining in their ear?

          WE just say No more. It stops now. Not in May ’21 or 2040.

          I cannot be alone is asserting this truth. Scotland is, was, and always will be a nation, not a region or vanquished colony of England.

  79. Tatu3 says:

    Congratulations on the purchase of your new abode. Maybole, and Ayrshire, are where a lot of my family are from. Beautiful part of Scotland. Hope you’ll be very happy there.

    • Petra says:

      Maybole Town 😀

      • Paul, well done. My Everlovin’ and I pass through Maybole on the way to Cairnryan many times a year.
        Consider yourself a,ahem, ‘P stop’, especially on Sundays..

        Get well, Pal. Plant some Ayrshire tatties.Mmm white fleshed creamy New Potatoes melting in butter, from your own garden…you lucky lucky man.
        Well done indeed.

      • Stephen McKenzie says:

        Very nice video. It’s pity the “Poor House” in the video looks even more down on its heels!

        I once stayed near Maybole in a caravan one summer for what seemed like a month and Maybole was the big town to visit by local bus!

    • cumoangerraff says:

      Great to see you’ve got a new home, delighted you’ve chosen to come to our wee town. You’ll be made most welcome in Maybole, another sensible voice. Just you and Peter take care coming out of your front door, some local drivers go far too fast up that wee narrow street!

  80. Petra says:

    ‘Around the corner.’ With a video from Phantom Power.

    ”This is an excellent video, made some months ago, that lays out what is ahead of Scotland unless it secures independence soon.”..


    What the BBC doesn’t tell you.

    ”So this is the actual picture of Covid infection rates. Devolved Celtic countries have performed much better than Westminster. I hope the 4 nation approach listens to the more sensible administrations.”

  81. Petra says:

    Tommy Sheridan:- ”Boris Defends Bully Patel but Not Pensioners – His Govt is Morally Repugnant.”–his-govt-is-morally-repugnant/?__twitter_impression=true


    Check out Ann’s latest links on the Indyref2 site.

  82. yesindyref2 says:

    Quite shocking to see such hatred of a trade unionist, and indeed Labour. There would be no Labour without trade unions and vice versa as far as history is concerned. Far from being “SNP Baaaad”, trade unions as far as the SNP are concerned are organisations they want to work with, and convince of the merits of Independence. It’s the Tories have tried to close down unions, so it’s doubly shocking to see Indy supporters taking the Tory Maggie Thatcher view of Unions.

    The SNP first started working with unions, not last year, not during Indy ref 1, not during the devoution campaign, 1997 or 1979, but in 1965, and I’m trebly shocked to see such ignorance of and implicit oppostion to – the SNP TUG. Do you not care about achieving Independence in pursuit of your hatred of Labour and one trade unionist?

    The SNP Trade Union Group (TUG) is an affiliated organisation of the Scottish National Party (SNP). They were formed in 1965 as the Association of Scottish Nationalist Trade Unionists (ASNTU) to persuade Scottish trade unionists of the virtues of Scottish independence and to ensure the SNP has an organised presence in the trade union movement.

    The TUG is allowed to send delegates to the SNP Annual National Conference and National Council meetings, and has one representative on the National Executive Committee (NEC).

    Stated Aims

    The stated aims of the SNP Trade Union Group are:

    Encourage SNP members to become active in their trade unions
    Advise SNP members on the best trade union for their industry
    Encourage SNP members to utilise the democratic trade union structures to build support for Independence
    Act as a major conduit between the party and the trade union movement, complemented by our Holyrood backbench TU Group meeting regularly with trade unions
    Encourage dialogue from all levels of the party with the trade union movement
    Help shape SNP policy with delegates to National Council, Conference and our own place on the party’s National Executive Committee
    Ensure that trade union members across Scotland are not funding the Labour party through their trade union subscriptions”

    and note the last one of these.

    When we get Independence it will be largely because, with the STUC being neutral but very supportive of workers in Scotland – that’s WORKERS which include TEACHERS – many previous and existing Labour supporters now support a YES vote – and there’s still round about 60% of Labour voters to persuade to YES.

    Forget ye not the purpose of blogs like this – to help persuade soft NOes and the undecided to vote YES. Hatred of a party or a trades unionist is not going to help.

    • Petra says:

      Cm’on yesindyre2 there’s loads of examples of key individuals within the Trade Unions working against the SNP. I used to be a Unison Convenor in Scotland and of course supported the Labour Party and heard and saw ”it” with my own ears and eyes. We don’t have to go down the route of hating Trade Unions rather just be aware of what can be and is in fact going on. Like a number of institutions it requires to be cleared out and of course with Independence they’ll be run from Scotland, not England.

      • Petra says:

        The EIS is of course Scottish. The only Union that I know of that’s Head Office is in Scotland.

        • JoMax says:

          The Scottish Secondary Teachers’ Association is still in existence as far as I know, Petra, based in Edinburgh. I was a member at one time, and they were considered even 40 years ago to be much less militant than the EIS who were actually not particularly militant then compared with some of the big British Trade Unions.

          I think what a lot of people here dread, and which yesindyref2 might not be aware of is what went on in the 1960’s and 1970’s. No one wants a return to the endless confrontation of those days. It ruined an awful lot of long-established, and once thriving industries. There was, of course, bad or poor management, but what was needed was huge modernisation across industry to keep pace with other industrialised nations at that time and I believe it was thwarted to a great degree by the attitude of some (and I emphasise some) of the biggest Unions. It’s a huge issue which requires study and understanding and too much to go into here.

          We want a thriving, modern, outward looking Scotland, a Scotland with everyone working together for the good of all, not endless confrontation between factions vying for power.

          • Petra says:

            Hi Jo Max thanks for that. You’re right of course. I forgot about the SSTA.


            There may even be others but the point that I’m trying to make to yesindyref2 is that the Unions in Scotland, in the main, are headquartered in England and some, not ALL, individuals within them have a ”wee Unionist agenda.” You only have to follow Unison in England versus Unison in Scotland, say in relation to teacher’s strikes, to see what’s going on.

            We need the Unions to support and fight for workers / employees rights. There’s no doubt about that, however we also have to keep an eye on what’s actually going on as ONE example with the Equal Pay cases in Scotland whereby Unison (for one), controlled by the Labour party in England
            showed their true colours to the point of lying / suppressing evidence to scupper the cases of hardworking women who had been treated like dirt (wages and conditions) as employees of Labour run Councils in Scotland. There’s loads of other examples and in fact I doubt that we’ll ever get to the bottom of the skull-duggery that been going on / goes on. Like everything else we are looking for honesty and transparency and the ability to hold key individuals to account. As I see it that won’t happen until all Unions in Scotland are independent of England and have their Head Offices located in Scotland. This applies to charities and so on too.

            Click on the Union name to see where their head office is located.


            • Petra says:

              Just to make a point has anyone noticed if NASUWT (TUC affiliated) or the NEU (TUC affiliated) is calling for a strike? No? Why not? Maybe the teachers in England aren’t affected by CV19 to the same extent as teachers in Scotland?

              And just to add a wee snippet. The Educational Institute of Scotland (EIS), founded in 1847, is the oldest teaching union in the world. The Scots too wee, poor and stupid? Aye right.

    • yesindyref2…trade unions are hollow organisations not what they used to be and you are correct it was thatcher the tories that did that with changes in the law about picketing and encouragement and influence of government on employers to make it difficult for union leaders to organise members.
      What we are left with are career union leaders who spend more time on facility time than actually working and are more aligned to the Labour Party than their members.
      Workers want help to deal with unfair practices at work they don’t want or need union leaders to help them decide their politics.
      Union leaders getting too close to a political party is a hindrance to workplace fairness and decent working conditions and pay.

      The Labour Party betrayed Scotland and working people teaming up with the tories , there is no excuse for the Labour Party teaming up with the tories the arch enemy of working people in the U.K.
      labour will never be forgiven in Scotland
      They are a dead duck

      After independence there will of course be a socialist political party but it won’t be the current Labour Party which is an English political party with representatives in Scotland.

    • ‘trebly shocked’.

    • grizebard says:

      It’s one thing for a trades unionist to do his/her bit to defend the proper interests of its membership, and quite another to engage in the deliberate politicisation of critical issues for obvious party-sectarian ends. This is not exactly new. We’ve seen it again and again and again since 2014. Take the ex-Labour Glasgow Council’s dastardly and longstanding exploitation of its female workers as just one example. The relevant unions actively conspired with the council leadership against their own members for years, then as soon as there was a change of control to the SNP, the self-same union leaders were suddenly the “virtuous defenders” of their members, leading their people onto the streets in protest for the sake of the TV cameras of a collaborationist BritNat media. It was a cynical abuse of office and their membership, deliberately done for party-political purposes.

      So come off it, don’t try to tell us that wasn’t and isn’t happening.

      It’s not the principle of trade unionism that anyone is against, it’s the contemptible betrayal of the interests of their own members by particular very obvious Labourite loyalist union leaders that we “hate”. As anyone of right mind ought.

      • Petra says:

        And then the Labour Party left the SNP to pick up the £tab following their abysmal treatment, over decades, of poor, female workers right across Scotland being treated like sh*t followed by (many, many) years of long drawn out court proceedings where they (Labour politicians and Unions) spent £millions in trying to ensure that the women lost their cases. They stink to high heavens. And hopefully that one issue alone will be investigated thoroughly one day with a light being shone on the whole disgusting saga.

  83. Hamish100 says:

    For the labour supporters of federalism. If we had federalism from the ‘80’s.

    It would still mean Scots would have died in Iraq looking for WMD that didn’t exist. We would have still been involved in Afghanistan.

    Nuclear weapons will still be imposed on Scotland

    Foreign affairs would remain at Westminster etcetera

    the EU or EFTA could not impose on us.

    • Petra says:

      Federalism is OUT Hamish and it’s not just me that’s saying it but most of England. That penny doesn’t seem to have dropped yet with people like Broon the Cloon.

      • grizebard says:

        I think the snake-oil merchant knows fine, damn his indefatigable bad faith. He can’t possibly be that delusional, can he?

        (History will judge him badly, and all the worse the more he persists.)

  84. Welsh Siôn says:

    Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland agree new Christmas Covid rules

    24th November 2020

    A broad set of UK-wide measures to help people come together with their loved ones during the festive period, in a way that is as safe as possible, have been agreed by the governments of the UK’s four nations.

    They agreed that:

    Travel restrictions across the four administrations and between tiers will be lifted to provide a window for households to come together between the 23rd and 27th of December.

    Up to three households can form an exclusive ‘bubble’ to meet at home during this period. When a bubble is formed it is fixed, and must not be changed or extended further at any point.

    Each Christmas bubble can meet at home, at a place of worship or an outdoor public place, but existing, more restrictive rules on hospitality and meeting in other venues will be maintained throughout this period.


    • Hamish100 says:

      My family meets on Hogmanay and Ne’reday. That’s our tradition out.

      In my day my old man worked Christmas as it was deemed an English holiday and the New Year was Scotland’s.

      • Alex Clark says:

        Hamish that will depend on what level of restrictions your local authority are in, hopefully, the numbers per 100k will continue to fall as they are now and we can all mix a bit more like normal.

      • grizebard says:

        In my day I did a shift on a production line right through Christmas morning. Not so long ago either. {cough} Mind you, went home to my Mam’s usual big family spread later on in the day.

    • Legerwood says:

      Certainly did not see that coming. Nearly choked on my coffee when I saw it on the news.

    • Alex Clark says:

      I’ll be glad to see the back of her.

      A woman with no empathy for others whatsoever. Good riddance.

      • Petra says:

        Say no more.

        ”Ballantyne has also been involved in other controversies, defending welfare cuts to families by saying those with low incomes “have to make decisions about the number of children they can have.”

  85. Hamish100 says:

    I see we can vote for the top 100 women in the world. Guess who is missing? 1 individual from Wales, United Kingdom. 7 other from U.K. 1 Baroness.

    • Petra says:

      Oh right Jackie Kay highlighted as being a ”top woman from the UK”, who is in fact a Scottish poet (Makar 2016) gets a mention but not Nicola Sturgeon. Bl**dywell pathetic. The BBC sinks ever deeper into the mire. Not long to go before it’s over and out too.

  86. Arthur Thomson says:

    The Labour Party in Scotland is the British Labour Party and is one hundred percent committed to maintaining the UK. The trade unions are British Trade Unions – politically and ideologically motivated first and representing the interests of their members a distant second at best – and equally committed to maintaining the UK.

    The terms , “Labour” and “Trade Union ” highlight just how anachronistic they are. Their original intent was undoubtedly sound but in my lifetime they have just USED the working class and demonised the undeserving poor. I can vividly remember how maintaining pay DIFFERENTIALS and trying to bring in closed shops was what they were all about. I remember going to trade union meetings only to find that the Labour Party had already decided what the outcomes were to be. I have watched the champagne socialists milking their power, the pseudo intellectuals preaching their irrelevant nineteenth century ideology and their grubby chancers puffed up and abusing their wee bit of power over the plebs.

    How long before Starmer is going to be extolled by some on here as not such a bad chap, just like Corbyn the plonker before him?

    What remains of the “Labour Movement ” is implacably opposed to Scottish independence because they oppose anything that would diminish their exploitation rights. They and the Tories are unquestionably two cheeks of the same grotty arse with the same goal of maintaining control over as many people as possible.

    A new Scotland, with a much better informed populace, will rise to the challenge of developing a modern political system rooted in the reality of today’s issues, not those of a mythical past. That will be part of the independence dividend.

    • grizebard says:

      Amen to that, Arthur, amen.

      The crying shame is that it’s the Labour leadership past and present, by its rank jealousy, craven failure of self-belief and implacable opposition to any kind of realistic appraisal of Scotland’s true situation, that is betraying and dividing its very own members. Eating away at itself from within. Even now at this late stage it has understood nothing and learnt nothing, and is still prepared to align with the Tories, its online fanboys still happy to parrot the talking points of its once-supposed enemies and sneer at all those who dare to hope for a happier, more-prosperous future in our own hands.

      If there ever was a deserving political candidate for a Darwin Award, it is the fossilised dead-end “Scottish” Labour Party. (Ceremony pencilled-in for this coming May.)

    • Petra says:

      Spot on Arthur.

  87. Ken2 says:

    Another one down, another one gone, The sinking ship. The Tories not nasty enough fo Michelle.

    • Alex Clark says:

      Well said Ken, I totally agree 🙂

    • Petra says:

      ”The Tories not nasty enough for Michelle.”

      That’s what I was just thinking about. An Independent now so will probably lose Tory votes and then what? Where will she go from there?

  88. JoMax says:

    Congratulations on finding your new wee hoose, Paul and Peter. It’ll be great to move into what my folks used to refer to as a ‘low door’, both having lived their early lives in tenements. When I read your news earlier, I had just had a look out the windae and thought “a barbecue”. Nah, not today, wet, grey, dreich and cold. Did spy a few thousand geese flying in various formations overhead, though, and that was braw.

    Lang may yer (new) lum reek.

  89. Welsh Siôn says:

    Maybe we deserve a wee chuckle, sometimes.

    Abolish the Assembly’s clown show is comedy gold – but don’t let them turn the Senedd into a circus

    24th November 2020

  90. Pogmothon says:

    Republicofscotland says: November 23, 2020 at 9:54 pm
    “Well this is interesting, Johnson and Gove now blaming Sturgeon for low Brexit deal, Sturgeon has made mistakes but this isn’t one of them, infact its a bonus for Scotland I think.”

    Having read the letter please find below a much simpler shorter version he could have written,

    You will see fom the contents of this letter the reason that none of the devolved governments have been allowed any positions on the negotiating teams, was simply to avoid you demonstrating a more effective negotiating capability or obtaining a better out come.

    This also allows me to generate letters such as this showing that you have been kept fully informed of everything that has been conducted and achieved by us, with a sprinkeling of dates to give to give creedence to that claim. The fact that these have all been after the fact “Like it or lump it” advisments is immiterial, they allow me to show you have been kept informed.

    It will also allow us to once again in due course sell out the fishermen and any others. Having first laid the blame at your door. This we will have to do if we are to achieve any deal now that international circumstances have changed so dramatically.

    I realise now that the PMs recent statements have been translated for you and your administration has been identified as a disaster. Government speek may be difficult for you to understand. So allow me to give you 1 or 2 examples below of translating to common parliance.

    Example 1) – (As you also know the UK Government is committed to reforming our Intergovernmental Relations and we very much hope that the Scottish Government will engage fully on this review so we can further improve the quality of our engagement.)
    – Translation – The Internal Market Bill is a stormer, and will be a brilliant set of Laws. So you will be back in your box, we have decided the future Scottish Government and it’s US you have no place in it.

    Example 2) – (May I also take this opportunity to thank your officials for their recent engagement regarding the possibility of UK Government officials attending the operational readiness meetings of the Scottish Government.)
    – Translation – Don’t matter what any of you say or do. Once the IMB is passed into law. You are all “excess to requirements” and as such do not require to be elected or re-elected, so canceling May 6th will save us a bob or two.

    Awe the Best Micky G.

    p.s. don’t plan anything from January through to April next year cos we’ll be haveing another lock down (with militery back up) in the event of no deal Eh! na Covid infection rate rise. Then we’ll go for mass inoculations military administered of course.

  91. Petra says:

    ‘Brexit festival’ and Queen’s jubilee handed millions by Tory Government.’

    ”Rishi Sunak and the UK Government will be allocating around £30 million to the “Festival of Brexit” when the spending review is announced tomorrow. The £29m for the Brexit party, officially “Festival UK”, is part of the £152m pot for post-Covid events, largely planned for 2022. This latest is just another instalment in the total £120m bill for the Brexit festival, which will be footed by the taxpayer. Officials say the festival will “boost national pride and celebrate what it means to be British”.”..


    What’s good, eh, Queen Bessie got to say about that? A great advert for remaining part of this horrendous Union?

    ‘Children are so hungry in one British town they are eating from bins.’

    ..”Siobhan Collingwood, a headteacher at a primary school in Morecambe in Lancashire, told the BBC that she has seen pupils arriving with nothing in their lunchboxes, and parents bursting into tears because they have no means of feeding their children. She reported that children at her school were reduced to taking fruit cores from bins. Unfortunately, her story is not unique. Other teachers have reported children who are thin, with “grey skin, poor teeth, poor hair”, tired by 9.30am because they haven’t eaten. The UK is the world’s fifth-biggest economy, with a GDP per capita four times the global average. Yet, UNICEF figures show 19% of children under 15 in the UK live with adults who struggle to buy food – among the worst rates in Europe, but on par with the United States.”..

    ..”The charity Child Poverty Action Group claims that 30% of children in the UK live in poverty – that’s 4.1 million children. Particularly surprising is their finding that 67% of children in poverty live in a household where someone works.”..

  92. yesindyref2 says:

    Sad. The comments here about Trade Unions are so out of date it would make your hair curl and your teeth start rattling. We’re long past the days of the Red Clydesiders, John Brown, Scott Lithgow, Kincaids, Polaroid, Singer, Hoover, Rolls Royce, Bathgate, Albion, Timex, Uniroyal, Chrysler, IBM, Compaq, Volvo, Hyster, HP, NatSemi, and a whole host of other names, we’re long past the management and unionism of those days.

    We’re past 2014 where most unions were neutral apart from some in CWU, the Prison Officers, RMT supporting YES, Aslef, USDAW, GMB at that time NO, and into the present times with Brexit, the Infernal market Bill and the pwoer grab, with GMB – the most opposed to Independence in Scotland having railed against the betrayal on the Clyde over 13 Type 26, and for GMB “Smith said the union would not intervene on Leonard’s behalf. The GMB has refused to support his tenure as leader or back the rebellion led by a group of party centrists. Smith indicated most GMB members voted for the Scottish National party

    “most GMB members voted for the Scottish National party” – and why wouldn’t they?”

    We’re now in 2020, not 1920, and the STUC which itself was quite close (I watched it) to supporting YES in 2012-14 and was certainly sympathetic (look up Graeme Smith e.g. Record in January), and from wiki: “With 40 affiliated unions as of 2020, the STUC represents over 540,000 trade unionists has many young members, as unions move with the times and attract young members, and indeed young shop stewards (I know some), and as The National says: “Scottish trade union movement set to back second independence referendum”. The young as everyone knows are three-quarters or more in favour of Independence – it’s a YES from them.

    My own hope, expressed quite a few times in different forums, is that Unions, Management and Government will move to a relationship similar to that of Germany when I worked there for 3 years – a relationship which protected workers, gave them in companies far better motivation that in those in the UK, with protection from Government when needed. and is contributory to Germany having had surpluses for many years compared to the UK deficits.

    We need to move with the times, not stay stuck in a bitter, grudge-filled, hateful past, muttering and pointing darkly and furtively in our dotage about betrayal and self-interest of others. We need to be inclusive, and welcome all to a YES vote. Think positive like the young optimistic folk. BE young, Young at heart. You’re so young at heart. (Bluebells)

    Join me in the future – an Independent future for Scotland. All aboard!

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Mmm, and when you do, don’t forget to close your italics.

    • grizebard says:

      Instead of responding to salient points above, you have dodged the issue by turning them into an absurd parody. Nobody, I think, takes any exception whatever to the statements you quote here, but your response rather misses the point. What we are condemning here are those particular leaders who are taking genuine concerns during a period of crisis and are deliberately amplifying them and “weaponising” them in a cynical attempt to sully the reputation of a decent hard-working government for partisan party-political reasons. And they are doing so as a deliberate ongoing wrecking strategy.

      These individuals are not serving their members, they are exploiting them.

  93. Dr Jim says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice to have a country that would have no need of unions because human and workers rights would be adhered to and upheld by whoever was elected to govern

    Could that ever happen in the union with England, you bet your life it couldn’t

  94. I note that The National has an ‘Exclusive’ from Henry McLeish headed ‘ Boris Johnson is waging a calculated war on Scotland’.
    Yet more Federalism from a tired old 72 year old who has been out of politics since 2001 when he had to resign from his 13 month stint as FM following a financial ‘muddle’.

    In other words, any one under 19 won’t even know who this freeloader is; strike that, any one under 30 would mutter ‘Henry Who?’ over their corn flakes..

    Why does this man keep getting a public forum, especially to churn out this New Labour crap?

    McLeish, Brown, Blair, Rifkind, …tired old Has Beens, still polluting our airwaves and newspaper columns with this ridiculous old crap.

    IT is not Johnson who is waging the is the whole Brit Nat Estblishment, some of whom I listed in my earlier ‘Cold War’ post.

    Henry McLeish is septuagenarian Nobody, with the same status and news worthiness as I, that is, none.

    Is it a ‘secret society’ thing that Brown McLeish and Rifkind get full metal jacket coverage?
    Tired old dinosaurs, long dead, but their body still gives off the familiar patronising Unionist stench.

    ‘Exclusive’, my erse.
    I’ll stop taking the National soon.

    • ArtyHetty says:

      Well said, totally correct there, it’s almost as if McLeish and Brown et al have direct lines to the media, must be busy bods on their phones, and tapping at the keyboards. I gave up on the National, it’s too Labour for me. They have I am sure the odd good article that’s doesn’t talk up the BritNats, and show them in soft focus, but the claim it makes to independence is rubbish.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      It was also deeply disturbing to read the slant of the piece Jack, implying McLeish supported Scots having a referendum when his actual comments were very much aimed at subverting it.

      • Bob, Henry is running out of fingers to shove into lucrative pies.

        This, from his Wiki entry.

        McLeish also holds the following positions and titles:
        Privy Counsellor
        Hartman Hotz Visiting Professor in Law and the Liberal Arts, jointly in the Fulbright College and Law School, University of Arkansas
        Visiting Professor at the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver
        Visiting lecturer at the United States Air Force Academy, Colorado Springs, Colorado
        Honorary Fellow at the College of Humanities and Social Science at Edinburgh University
        Honorary Fellow at the Cambridge Land Institute, Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge University
        Adviser, Consultant and Facilitator to the European Foundation for the Improvement of Living and Working Conditions and the European Monitoring Centre for Change, Dublin, Republic of Ireland
        Adviser and Consultant to the LEED Programme of the OECD in Paris, France, including visits to Austria, Italy, and Mexico
        Consultant, in partnership with Jeremy Harrison, Cambridge (Public Value Partnership, working on new project development and evaluation of existing projects in the community and voluntary sector)

        The Old Boys network……

      • Alex Clark says:

        The above link is to a later article in the National by McLeish, I think this is the one Jack refers too.

        • Alex, this, from the second article from McLeish which you kindly archived.

          “There seems little prospect of finding a unifying and consensual way forward. Some form of a progressive flexible federal framework (and possibly a form of confederation) for the total transformation of the Union and its four nations is the only alternative to independence.

          Time is running out. There is no “settled will” in Scotland about the best constitutional path to take. The country is divided and while recent opinion polls are giving independence the edge, nearly 50% of Scots remain undecided. But this is likely to change if Johnson’s assault on devolution continues. Independence is likely to gain in popularity as issues of competence, resilience, leadership, MEGA and the impact of Brexit strengthen Scotland’s resolve and weaken the lure of the Union.

          An out-of-touch Prime Minister, hell-bent on going his own way, needs to bring people and nations together, start to listen and build a platform for serious dialogue and constitutional reform involving the four nations, people and parliaments.

          What would that agenda for “constitutional renewal” look like?

          Stop saying no to a second referendum. It is going to happen and certainly within five years. Unless Westminster changes its mindset, Scotland could exit the Union within a decade. Saying no is not an alternative, a vision or a policy. It is a denial of democracy generated by a fear of failure. But the debate must be wider than independence and embrace the future of Scotland through the prism of different options.

          PROVIDE a workable, detailed alternative to independence. There is no alternative vision of what a reimagined union would look. Redefining Scotland in a new union makes sense and could bring people together. There is only one suggestion currently on the table and it’s absurd to attack one party for being good at promoting their own idea and dominating Scottish politics for nearly 14 years! Status quo Unionism and more “powers” without real “power” will not work.

          Some form of federalism is the only way forward, requiring a written constitution and respect for new ideas and shared power. The European Union provides one example of a different model. Nations come together and share power and sovereignty and opt in and out of policy. There would be a continuing process of self-determination for each of the nations and regions of the UK, developing at different times and reflecting the different circumstances and social and economic conditions in every part of the Union. Westminster would downsize accordingly. Scotland would retain the option of going further and faster than the rest in the spirit of a new settlement, including the possibility of independence. ”

          In other words, the tired old laughable F word yet again.

          This is a man who wants to kick the Indyref can off into the far distant future.

          His is the message which Brown Rifkind and all the other old codgers have been flogging now that more than 50%( ‘nearly 50% of Scots remain undecided’? Aye, richt.) consistently poll for Self Determination.
          We are done waiting.

          Henry quotes To a Louse in his overblown bag of wind.

          I can quote Burns too.

          “Thy wee-bit housie, too, in ruin!
          It’s silly wa’s the win’s are strewin!
          An’ naething, now, to big a new ane,
          O’ foggage green!
          An’ bleak December’s winds ensuin,
          Baith snell an’ keen!

          Thou saw the fields laid bare an’ waste,
          An’ weary Winter comin fast,
          An’ cozie here, beneath the blast,
          Thou thought to dwell,
          Till crash! the cruel coulter past
          Out thro’ thy cell.

          That wee-bit heap o’ leaves an’ stibble
          Has cost thee monie a weary nibble!
          Now thou’s turn’d out, for a’ thy trouble,
          But house or hald,
          To thole the Winter’s sleety dribble,
          An’ cranreuch cauld!

          But Mousie, thou art no thy-lane,
          In proving foresight may be vain:
          The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men
          Gang aft agley,”

          McLeish blames Johnson for the Fall of the Empire.

          Not Starmer, or Davey, or Murray or Carmichael, or Murphy, or Mc Connell, or Lords Reid, Robertson….

          For 21 years the Jock Brit Nats Up Here have devoted their entire time to destroying Scotland, sending our resources South to fill the coffers of their English Masters, and to this very day, scream lies and threats from the benches at Holyrood, to keep Scotland a subservient colony of the Mother Land.

          And for almost all of that time, McLeish has been nowhere to be seen.
          The Jock Brits’ wee bit housie is indeed in ruins, and bleak December when Brexit hits will be our Bastille Day, not 2025 or 2030.

          Our fields have been laid bare and waste, by the Brits…of whom McLeish certainly is a leading light.

          • Golfnut says:

            In other words he’s advocating a ‘ new act of Union ‘. No thanks. He also advocates a written constitution, guess who would write it.

            • For a £7000 a day consultancy fee, of course.

            • Welsh Siôn says:

              This seems to be flavour of the month with former First Ministers.

              Carwyn “let’s-relocate-Trident-next-to-Milford-Haven-oil-refinery” Jones is of the opinion that a new Act of Union would settle the hash of those pesky Welsh and Scottish seps.

              Ai dŵ knot thingk sô!

      • Alex, he floats the five years to a decade timescale for Indyref 2, and uses the curious phrase, ‘ambitious Scots losing their sense of Britishness’?

        He is a Brit Nat in Brit Nat clothing, when he is no visiting Unis and Think Tanks all over the place.
        He has no relevance or influence in 21st Century Scotland.

        Like Dugdale he appears to float about the ‘village’ adding titles to his name…

        • Alex Clark says:

          I read it and wasn’t impressed. Just more of the same old guff from McLeish, we are well past the point of considering “federalism”, no one would trust the Tories or Labour for that matter to deliver on their promises.

          McLeish would be better looking at Independence as the only serious way of ending Westminster control. Banging the federalism drum is wasting his and our time, that ship has sailed

          • Dr Jim says:

            Henry McLeish is the man who on leaving Alex Salmond’s office turned and said “If the Tories don’t change their ways I’ll be joining your lot” I guess Henry’s time scale for that is open ended because Tories never change their ways, they get worse, and as he admits this is the worst lot yet, but right through his piece his cowardice and subservience practically glows in the dark as he still defends the institution he belongs to by pretending to be *one of us* concerned about the future in the hope that his massaging of the polling percentages won’t be noticed in the middle of the other words he writes

            Undecided nearly 50%? Aye OK Henry we never spotted that, we’ll all just wait for the polling company who produced that number
            All of these tired boring ex Labour leaders talk to Scotland as though we’re still wearing flat caps and we live in the 1950s with no understanding of anything, I guess when they lift the lid on these guys coffins to let them out they didn’t notice time didn’t stop for the rest of us and we’ve armed ourselves with the stakes to stick through their damn blood sucking hearts now

          • grizebard says:

            I’ve given up on Henry, he’s evidently more concerned with trying to save his precious party of dead-heads from self-destruction than he is prepared to face up to the consequences of what he clearly sees is a turning of the tide of history. What a dilemma for him, to be trapped between failing reactionary negativism and fantastical never-never “federalism”. I fear he is a “nearly man” who will never make the necessary decisive break from a hopeless false dichotomy.

  95. Petra says:



    ‘Scottish and Welsh governments call on UK Government to replace EU funds in full.’,scottish-and-welsh-governments-call-on-uk-government-to-honour-commitment-to-replace-eu-funds

  96. Petra says:

    ”Tonight JRM misled his Twitter following re the vote on virtual participation of commons debates

    The motion was opposed because it:

    1) Only permitted those with a doctor’s note

    2) Overlooked those who can’t participate because their families are vulnerable

    Yet more #ToryLies.”


    Check out Ann’s latest links on the Indyref2 site.

  97. Republicofscotland says:

    Kenny MacAskill thinks big and I agree, Scotland should be removing itself from British embassies around the world and opening up its own just as Quebec has done.

    If we want to be an independent nation, we need to start acting like one and this is a good start.

    • grizebard says:

      Vacuous posturing about inessentials. Who gives a damn, one way or another?

      • Republicofscotland says:

        On the contrary, making contact with the International community via embassies, or should I say Scottish embassies is an important step. I get the feeling you might like the message, just not the message bearer.

        • Legerwood says:

          That has already been done by the FM and other ministers in her cabinet. Almost from the minute the result of the EU referendum was announced the FM embarked on a series of high level visits to Europe, the US eg Stanford Uni, the UN, Ireland – addressing the Senate, and Nordic countries. The aim: to lay the groundwork for Indyref2 by making sure countries knew what the SNP were about and networking with people to ensure they would be, if not actively onside, then not actively against Scottish Independence.

          In the process she behaved to all intents and purposes as if she was the leader of an independent Scotland. Westminster belatedly caught on to what she was doing and acting like a spoilt child stopped her from using official embassy transport on these visits. Too late because the networks had been established.

          The 62% pro-EU vote was the key that opened the right doors in Europe. Establishing trade hubs in Brussells, Paris and Berlin also gave Scotland a continuing presence in Europe that would help the cause of independence both economically and politically but also provide the makings of a consular presence when required.

          Seems the FM was pretty much ahead of the game in her preparations for the indyref2 campaign.

          Then using Brexit to good effect at home to show quite conclusively the asymmetrical nature of the Union ‘partnership’ and how it disadvantages Scotland. No surprise then that the polls started to move in January 2020 when it had been shown conclusively that Scotland’s wishes and the efforts of the SG fashion a solution had been comprehensively ignored.

          • Petra says:


          • Republicofscotland says:

            The polls moved this year in our favour not because Sturgeon did anything outstanding the polls have moved in our favour because Johnson is such a piss poor PM that soft noes that hadn’t previously moved over to the idea of independence have now.

            Visiting the States and other EU nations isn’t the same as setting up embassies in those countries.

            • Legerwood says:

              Remember the people of Scotland are Sovereign? Well those Sovereign people said in 2014 that they wanted to stay in the UK. This means that International matters such as Foreign Affairs and all its accoutrements such as Embassies are reserved to Westminster.

              The UK is the internationally recognised state and as such can set up embassies. No foreign country would allow Scotland to set up embassies. The FM has cleverly circumvented this by taking an indirect route to get Scotland on the radar of organisations such as the UN and EU. It has been successful.

              The sovereign people of Scotland also said they wanted to stay in the EU. The SG worked hard to propose solutions – remain in single market and customs union – that would cause the least damage to Scotland, its people and economy, yet still honour the overall UK vote.

              The people of Scotland saw those efforts being rebuffed at every turn. The SG probably knew it would be rebuffed but still they did it because they knew it would bring home to people as nothing else would how little Scotland and its wishes and well being mattered to Westminster. By January 2020 people finally realised there would not be an 11th hour reprieve then the polls started to change. The hard work of the FM and SG started to pay off.

              • Alex Clark says:

                Bravo, spells out clearly the constraints the SG must work under and your earlier post what they have done within their power to alleviate the restrictions placed upon them by these restraints by dint of them not being an Independent country.

                We are getting there, keep up the good work informing people. That’s the job of blogs such as this.

        • grizebard says:

          Nobody is saying we shouldn’t have embassies. Duh.

        • grizebard says:

          Where they are housed, OTOH, is entirely secondary. Hardly part of anyone’s red lines, so for MacAskill to try to make some kind of issue out of it is simply pathetic, and why you should find it especially noteworthy is beyond me. (Merely another overspill of WaS splitterist effluent.)

          One can even argue that as part of the common UK stock, the existing embassies are as much ours as they are England’s.

          • Republicofscotland says:

            What would it say to the indy faithful if the SNP set up embassies in Europe and in the States, in my opinion it would be a huge bonus to the movement. British embassies don’t even promote Scottish produce, setting up those embassies would signal to the world that we intend to return to an independent nation, and who knows having them might even curry some favour and goodwill when the time comes for us to ditch this unfit for purpose union.

            • Petra says:

              RoS you just seem to pop in here constantly to promote the same old unsubstantiated guff that you pick up on another site and believe in unreservedly. Guff that’s always underpinned with doing your utmost to discredit the SNP. More than anything you don’t seem to be interested in informative responses that you receive from anyone on here, such as from Legerwood who has pointed out that, ” No foreign country would allow Scotland to set up embassies.” What about going back and pointing that out to your WoS ”educator”?

              We’ll get our embassies when we get our Independence and we’ll get our Independence when people like you stop trying to undermine the only political party capable of getting it for us.

    • Petra says:

      Kenny MacAskill is on a par with people like Sillars now, imo. A liability. And how you can say that he thinks ”big” is beyond me when he frequents a site where the blog owner and around 99% of the posters are running his own political party down to the ground, stating that they are resigning their membership from it, etc, and additionally we have seen him ”liking” a tweet whereby someone called the leader of his party, Nicola Sturgeon, a ‘narcissistic sociopath’. To my mind he’s shown a lack of judgement already, as one example when he previously co-authored ‘Global Scots – Voices From Afar’ with Labourite Henry McLeish, of all people. You should study his behaviour at the last SNP Conference that he attended before he ”disappeared” for a time, as it’s quite enlightening.

      • grizebard says:

        Indeed. He gives me the distinct impression he’s personally ambitious enough to want to lead a new party of his own but not courageous enough (or too realistic?) to actually try it. So now he lurks on the sidelines muttering inconsequentially. His various recent appearances on Wings against Scotland (“WaS”) sealed my plummeting appreciation of the man.

  98. Ken2 says:

    Some Trade unions financed the illegal wars, tax evasion and financial fraud and tax evasion. The Labour Party. McCluskey did not support Independence for Scotland. They were interfering in candidate choices for Scottish seats. Putting their placepeople in as candidates.

    Trade unions supported company hierarchy against the interest of f their members. Book have been written about. Bad management and bad trade union relationships.

    Recent refusal of the Labour control and trade unions to honour equal pay for woman in Glasgow. It was settled in other places years ago.

    Some Trade unionist representative are now being sued for the members losing out £thousands for listening to them. The members got a lower pay out.

  99. Republicofscotland says:

    The Festival of Brexit, and millions for the Queen’s jubilee, one wonder just how much of Scottish taxpayers cash will go to this.

  100. Golfnut says:

    This is a brief summary of how a Scots border should work. The actual paper isn’t yet released.

  101. Alex Clark says:

    I posted a link yesterday to an article in Nature about the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine and commented that as usual, I thought Johnson and his cabinet of sycophants were maybe getting ahead of themselves in the promises they were making. As usual, the calvary are always just about to ride to the rescue, and never do they sound a note of caution.

    Today his old paper the Torygraph has done just that though and sounded a note of caution, aimed I suspect at dampening expectations that it will all be back to normal by Easter.

    Oxford Covid vaccine ‘bottlenecks’ mean UK’s full order will not be ready until end of next year

    AstraZeneca is facing an uphill battle, having already fallen behind schedule. During the first wave, the company targeted 30 million doses ready for use in the UK by September, but now expects only four million by the end of the year. In total, the firm says it will have produced 20 million doses by the end of 2020 – but these shots will not yet have been poured into vials, which takes time.

    The total UK order for this vaccine is 100 million, yet they expected to have manufactured 30 million by September but in fact, by the end of this year, they are admitting there will only be 4 million available. That is just about enough to cover every health care worker in the UK with none left over for the residents of care homes.

    Be wary of those that tell you we could be back to normal by Easter, Johnson said that in the summer about being back to normal by Xmas and look how has that turned out for him and the rest of us.

  102. Dr Jim says:

    You gotta love the great British media *Give us a Christmas* *Give us a break* *Government cancels Christmas* and they squealed it all on the TV and filled pages of newspapers with ridiculous pictures and misery stories of the Scroogey governments not doing what the people of *the country* demanded, now the same great British press and TV are filling up the airwaves with experts telling us we’re all going to die because the governments went too far in relaxing the restrictions and why on earth would they take such risks with all of our lives

    The political party who don’t stand for election yet win every one of them because it’s easier to lie and dictate all of the time from that position without asking folks to vote for you , I give you the great British manipulating media

    • grizebard says:

      Well said.

      Stanley Baldwin once famously referred to the DeadTree Scrolls of the day as having “power without responsibility – the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages”. The underlying technology may have changed, but nothing else.

  103. yesindyref2 says:

    I don’t think anyone posted a link to this excellent article from Neil Mackay, one of the very few who put their head above the parapet in support of teachers, witih most people mindlessly condemning them for being extremely worried about their own safety in overcrowded maskless unprotected classroooms. On the grounds perhaps that they hate EIS because they dare to represent their membership, rather than bow down and worship Sturgeon’s statue as they do 23 hours out of 24, with time off for good behaviour.

    Mackay, previously of the erratic Sunday Herald, along with David Leask, has tried to convince cybernats who often operate in rat-packs to be less nasty, rude, inhuman, bad-mannered and hostile to views that don’t support their extreme echo-chamber, and would claim that they do nothing for support for Independence, quite the contrary.

    Sadly those attempts were actually ignored, as such abominable sneering unwelcoming behaviour continues to this day, though with less people involved as perhaps some of the rats have eaten each other up. Burp.

    “Neil Mackay: SNP’s mistreatment of teachers is a mark of our moral failure”

    • grizebard says:

      Oh, FFS. Try to address the actual issue here instead of indulging in continual distractions. The teachers are necessarily involved in a crisis that permeates the whole of society, there’s no denying it, but they’re not exactly in the same league as the workers of Chernobyl. They are not even in the same league as health workers, who have no notion of threatening industrial action. The EIS leadership is not “representing the teachers”, since it does not have majority support of its membership for provocations like strike action, it is only representing the partisan interests of the Labour Party. And it is by no means the first to do so in similar manner, as you should be able and willing to recognise.

      • Hamish100 says:

        I have more concern for care home and home care staff who no doubt look after some of the teaching professions family members.

        Can they strike for more money, more ppe.

        One highly cynical teacher spoke to me last night. One who puts his pupils first said he knows of 2 of his colleagues would love a shut down. They have WiFi in their respective holiday let’s in Espana. Blended learning to March works for them.

        • Golfnut says:

          Does your cynical teacher know if his 2 colleagues visited their holiday let’s this summer. I think about 80% of covid19 cases which tested positive carried the Spanish strain of the virus, linked entirely to those selfish idiots holidaying abroad.

      • Dr Jim says:

        Robert Leopard picks up the phone and asks whichever union reps he can to cause a fuss and they do, and that’s happened since before I was born 72 years ago, and my father before me who explained how it all worked when I was old enough to understand which was around age 4

        It’s the tried and tested to be continued method of pay attention to the Labour party or we’ll fabricate a strike and call it a political protest at the terrible bad government of whichever colour is in power this week then claim we fixed a problem that we ourselves usually created and round and round it goes

        If I’m not mistaken that was one of the reasons Scotland got rid of the Labour party, they’re not a very truthy lot

      • yesindyref2 says:

        grizebard, I’m not into wacko deranged phantasmagorical conspiracy theories, what I am into is the welfare of teachers – since I have them in the family.

        • Oh, give it a rest.

        • Petra says:

          ”what I am into is the welfare of teachers – since I have them in the family.”

          And do you think that you are the only one on here that’s in that position yesindyref2? I’ve got six relatives currently teaching in Scottish schools, two in Scottish Universities and others teaching abroad such as in areas in the US where the virus is rife. I’ve also got many friends and relatives who are nurses, doctors and carers who I’m extremely worried about too. What if they all just decided to down tools right now?

          Flanagan is notorious for pulling the strike stunts and it’s got nothing to do with him being concerned about the teachers either. He is in fact on the Covid-19 Education Recovery Group as Legerwood pointed out on here previously. A wee snippet of information that Mr Mackay seems loathe to mention anything about in his articles.

          Legerwood:- ”Mr Flanagan represents the EIS on the Covid-19 Education Recovery Group set up by the Scottish Government.

          Full details of the make-up of the group, links to the minutes of their meetings and a link to the dashboard giving details of absences in schools can be found here

          It is worth a read. The dashboard in particular contains useful information. From Mr Flanagan’s statements so faithfully recorded in the Herald you would never know he was part of this group and thus party to the information and research findings that inform its advice to the SG.”

        • Bob Lamont says:

          I wasn’t going to bother until you posted “I’m not into wacko deranged phantasmagorical conspiracy theories”, so lets’s examine your opening paragraph with that in mind –
          “I don’t think anyone posted a link to this excellent {1} article from Neil Mackay, one of the very few who put their head above the parapet in support of teachers {2} , witih most people mindlessly condemning them {3} for being extremely {4} worried about their own safety in overcrowded maskless unprotected classroooms {5}. On the grounds perhaps that they hate EIS {6} because they dare to represent their membership, rather than bow down and worship Sturgeon’s statue {7} as they do 23 hours out of 24 {8}, with time off for good behaviour {9}.

          I’d read Mackay’s short piece previously, an opinion pastiche with no source for his diatribe, the basis cannot be the EIS survey since he alleges “Right now, teachers in Scotland are terrified for their health and wellbeing…Quite simply teachers believe their lives are at risk”… TERRIFIED, LIVES AT RISK
          The EIS voluntary survey found a majority of the 1/3rd of the teachers who felt compelled to respond were worried over Covid arrangements in schools…. WORRIED.

          Teachers are working in an unique environment in which the best known precautions have been taken to keep schools running safely, coordinated via a Team in SG on which teachers are represented. If there are shortfalls why not raise them there ?
          It doesn’t exactly square with Mackay’s claim that “The Scottish Government has shown it just doesn’t care”

          Everybody is worried about Covid and how it affects every profession including teachers, to claim otherwise is hyperbolic nonsense.
          But there are sinister forces at play here politically, they are not in the Scottish Government and they are not teachers.

        • grizebard says:

          You would be considerably more convincing if you would actually engage with real facts instead of continually erecting straw men. The SG provides an open door to the EIS, and the union is part of the group that takes the decisions on teaching matters during the crisis. They sign off on all these measures then as soon as they are out of the door they are “nuthin’ to do with me, gov” dissidents deliberately trying to escalate tensions both within the teaching communiy and around the outside world. All of which is a pattern we’ve seen again and again with other unions.

          If you really think that the business of the Glasgow women workers, for example, was a “conspiracy theory”, I truly pity your naivety.

    • Petra says:

      And when you compare and contrast how the schools and teachers have been / are being ”mistreated” in England under the Tories to the way that they’ve been treated in Scotland by the SNP there is no comparison. MacKay is just another wee BritNat sh*t stirrer, imo.

  104. Hamish100 says:

    One more thing, pretend journalist MacKay says teachers are terrified to go to school. Really?

    Changed days. It used to be pupils who received collective punishments with “the Lochgelly”

    Most pupils these days seem to be glad to go to school and be educated.

  105. Petra says:

    Are you still going on about this yesindyref2? Most people on here didn’t ”mindlessly condemn them (teachers) for being extremely worried about their own safety in overcrowded maskless unprotected classrooms”, at all. We were pointing out that the figures being used in relation to the number of teachers supporting strike action were dodgy and it would seem that teacher’s unions in England are trying to resolve the issues, the same issues that we are encountering here in Scotland, without going on strike at the very time that we least need it. And just to add that many of us who post on this site are currently or have been teachers previously and have relatives that are teaching in schools right now.

    As for Neil Mackay, David Leask and the Herald trying to convince us cybernats ….? What’s that all about? No one has any idea who is posting what online but Mackay and Leask seem to know that it’s us nasty cybernats that are hounding innocent teachers online. Do you actually expect us to take you seriously?


    ..”Jump forward to the 2020s and we see those not really leftist teachers being led sheepishly into confrontations with an SNP Government, on behalf of the leadership’s old pals in Scottish Labour based on embarrassingly feckless opinion gathering, to support campaigns foisted on a membership which will then reject them in a proper vote. By that time, however, the publicity has been gained.”

  106. Dr Jim says:

    We’re making a *once in a generation* investment in our infrastructure, says Rishi Sunak

    So eh no more infrastructure for 25, 30, 40 years, how long is an infrastructure generation then, it’s all so complicated, I can’t even keep up with the Kardashians let alone this generations thing

  107. Dr Jim says:

    Jim Rogers of Bloomberg says “The UK has a AAA credit rating based on North Sea oil assets of $1.6 trillion dollars, Scotland becomes Independent they take those assets with them, I know which country I’d be investing in, post Brexit the UK £1 will be worth around $0.80cents

    Maybe Scotland’s currency should be wee shiny shirt buttons or mushrooms, they’ll be worth more

    Jim Rogers likes Scotland that means Jo Biden will like Scotland maybe almost as much as he likes his ancestral Irish home

  108. Republicofscotland says:

    When you’re in a hole stop digging.

    • Alex Clark says:

      Bring it on.

      Be interesting to see the result of any early election caused if the SNP lost such a vote.
      I doubt you’d be happy LOL

      • grizebard says:

        How true. I’ve even wondered if the SG would (or should) deliberately resign directly after Brexit Day in protest and thereby provoke a crisis and trigger an early election – despite the reservations about winter elections – but this would serve just as well! (Maybe even better, given the SNP’s notorious caution.)

      • Dr Jim says:

        The Brits are all determined to see the FMs phone and the texts she received, so the Greens probably won’t support this, no benefit in it for them

    • Petra says:

      No mention that they’re waiting on documents from Alex Salmond’s side too.

    • diabloandco says:

      Did the manny no mean ‘reeks’ as opposed to ‘wreaks’ or is that just another example of journalists no able to spell?

  109. yesindyref2 says:

    QED. And surprisingly fast.

    Anyways, good luck to the WGD who deserves it, I usually pass through Maybole 3 or 4 times a year, just not this one with the Covid-19. Lovely place, busy, and of course in Ayrshire, home of honest men and bonnie lasses. And Burns 🙂

  110. Hamish100 says:

    An early election call may gazump some individuals who have ambitions to run a new party. When is the closing date to form Hamish’s Young Team?

  111. Petra says:

    ‘EU would welcome Scotland in from ‘untrustworthy’ UK, report finds.’

    ”UNRELIABLE, unpredictable, and untrustworthy” – that’s the way Europe now views the UK, according to a new expert report. In a paper on EU views of the UK and the future relationship between the two, the Edinburgh-based Scottish Centre on European Relations (SCER) concludes the UK’s reputation has been “badly damaged” by Brexit. And it found there is a “broad openness to Scotland having a normal accession path to the EU” as an independent nation – as long as that follows a “legally and constitutionally sound” referendum carried out in agreement between London and Edinburgh.”..

    ..”It goes on: “A future accession to the EU of an independent Scotland is seen as considerably more straightforward than the current accession paths of the western Balkans candidate countries, not least as Scotland was in the EU, as part of the UK, for 47 years.”


    Absolutely horrendous but I see that no heads are rolling for this 🙄.

    ‘NHS to get millions (10) of pounds to help save babies’ lives.’

    …”In November last year, The Independent joined with the charity Baby Lifeline to call for a new fund to be set up after exposing the single largest maternity scandal in NHS history at Shrewsbury and Telford Hospitals Trust, where dozens of babies have died or been left with brain damage.

    ..”In January this year it emerged 138 babies at East Kent Hospitals University Trust had been starved of oxygen at birth, with dozens more deaths. Since then failings have emerged at hospitals in Basildon, Nottingham and across England with the care regulator the Care Quality Commission warning a third of units need to improve on safety.’..

    …..”The independent investigation into maternity care at Shrewsbury and Telford Hospitals Trust is looking at almost 1,900 cases of poor care. An initial report from the inquiry, looking at lessons from 250 cases, is due to report next month.”.

    • Dr Jim says:

      I saw the report on this when it was uncovered and am still amazed how this was *made to go away* for so long

  112. Petra says:

    Michael Matheson MSP:- ”If you had any doubt about the UKG power grab on devolved powers, have a look at the section below from the newly published UKG Infrastructure strategy. It boasts about ’changing how decisions are taken’ through the Internal Market bill for Scotland, Wales and NI.”


    ‘Scotland is the victim of Westminster’s constitutional doublethink.’

    ..”There isn’t a great deal of consistency, or principle, in the Westminster Government’s approach to the constitution. Time and again, Scotland has been told that it is in an “equal partnership,” part of a “precious union,” but there is scant evidence for the UK Government actually observing that. How can a union of four nations exist satisfactorily when its constitution is interpreted in a way that works only for one (the English) part? No “generosity of spirit” evident there. So it should not be so surprising if one party then takes the option of withdrawing from the union altogether.”

  113. Petra says:

    ‘Scottish renewables left behind due to lack of investment, MSPs told.’


    Check out Ann’s latest links.

  114. Petra says:

    ‘BBC: Laura Kuenssberg ‘promoting Tory austerity’ with ‘economic illiteracy’.’


    670,000 visits in July? But how many of these visitors are just checking out his latest claptrap, like me, or looking for a laugh at some of the imbecilic interactions between posters?

    ”Wings Over Scotland blogger hits back at SNP MP’s ‘Voldemort’ comments.’

    ”The blogger behind the Wings Over Scotland site has hit back at an MP who described him as a “busted flush” and the “SNP’s answer to Voldemort”.”..

    ..”He added: “There was a time when the Wings over Scotland site was a useful forum – when it actually wrote about independence.”..

    • grizebard says:

      Not to mention loads of BritNats now contributing to the communal jollity.

      How many though are actually donating anything these days? (Are compensatory contributions from MI5 and the Tories possibly now in prospect?)

    • Dr Jim says:

      All I read was *Ma website’s bigger than your website na na na na nah*

      Thousands of people by the Sun newspaper but the only do the crossword they pay no attention to the garbage inside it

  115. Welsh Siôn says:

    I don’t suppose Scottish farmers are happy bunnies, either:

    Furious Welsh farmers slam UK Government for ‘Brexit betrayal’ budget cut

    25th November 2020

    Welsh farmers have slammed the UK Government for slashing the agriculture budget in what they have branded a “Brexit betrayal.”

    Chancellor Rishi Sunak’s decision in the spending review to cut the money for farmers by at least £95 million has enraged the Farmers’ Union of Wales.

    It says the decision breaks the promise they were made in the Conservative election manifesto.

    Because of this promise, the FUW expected Wales’ agricultural and rural development budget to be in the region of £337 million. However, the 2021-2022 budget will now be £242 million, which equates to a cut of around 28 per cent.


  116. Republicofscotland says:

    The Treasury cuts Scotland’s Capital budget by 5% in cash terms, and there’s still no funds available to replace our lost EU cash, though talk, and that’s all it is, of a Shared Prosperity fund, has been mentioned by the Tory government.

    Of course we all know Scotland cannot borrow much whilst tied into this terrible union, while Westminster instructs the Bank of England to print cash continually to by bonds. This slight of hand by Westminster is wheeled out and used to to say that Scotland couldn’t afford to be independent on every occasion.

  117. Republicofscotland says:

    This is a bit disconcerting, a new major report by the Scottish Centre on European Relations, found that there’s a broad openness about Scotland joining the EU as long as it follows a legally and constitutionally sound referendum carried out in AGREEMENT BETWEEN LONDON AND EDINBURGH.

    Does anyone actually think Johnson will agree to an S30? No nor do I, we await with bated breath Mr Keatings court finding on the matter next year.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      It is NOT disconcerting in either the EU or S30 case when you think about it, both London and Edinburgh are bound to and obliged to comply with Law, AGREEMENT does not require the Charlatans to be happy about it, and it’s a racing certainty they won’t be on either.
      Martin’s case is a curious one – whereas I agree with the motives and potential judgement, I suspect it may throw a spanner in SNP’s original legal strategy, which may explain their reluctance. Time will tell…

      • Republicofscotland says:

        Bob, that all very well, but and its a monumental but, we’d need to wait until Westminster decides to agree, whenever that would be, and in the meantime Westminster will be doing all it can to roll back devolution.

        • Bob Lamont says:

          You really don’t seem to get it or are blocking it through some pre/misconceptions – The “Westminster decides to agree, whenever that would be”, or “Westminster will be doing all it can to roll back devolution” attributes relevance to inanities. Since when did their moves or the year or month form relevance to what Scots decide in terms of Indy?
          Democracy is not theirs to dictate (increasingly not in their favour), but here’s the fun part – the more the clown says “No” the higher the numbers for Indy are driven in Scotland (and curiously England also), whilst conversely his support from Conservative members plummets wanting rid of the “subsidy spongers” – Johnson is caught in the web of propaganda he and any who replace him helped construct, bluntly the Tories screwed themselves by their own deceit to support their buddies “in the City”, pardon my crocodile tears….
          Your “monumental but” is missing a T, and it’s name is Johnson….

          • grizebard says:

            He does get it – he’s not stupid – but he’s pushing an agenda so it’s not in his interest to admit it.

            With practice you begin to distinguish the misguided hotheads from the cool customers who know exactly what they’re doing.

            • Republicofscotland says:

              My agenda is to see an independent Scotland, and to see it flourish outside of this ghastly union. To see Scotland in the EU in one form or another EFTA full membership whatever we vote for after independence. To see nuclear weapons and nuclear subs removed from Scottish waters for good, to see Scotland’s 6000 miles of stolen seas returned to it.

              To see Scotland remain a mainly socialist country, I’d prefer not to remain in NATO however with our strategic position in the North Atlantic a makeweight around our necks, or a gift depending on who you ask, the USA will pester to remain in NATO.

              • Petra says:

                Give us all a break. Your agenda is to see the SNP being decimated to ensure that we don’t get our independence at all. Don’t forget that someone with your pseudonym posts on the Westminster Owns Scotland (WoS) site and if that’s you it’s clear what you’re up to.

          • Republicofscotland says:


            Westminster has been undemocratic towards Scotland for centuries the 1979 election on devolution where the dead counted as no voters, the Vow, EVEL the Poll tax in Scotland, the 6000 miles of stolen seas to name but a few, I’m sad that you haven’t even noticed just how undemocratic Westminster has been to your fellow Scots over the ages.

            What makes you think Westminster will suddenly change?

            • Bob Lamont says:

              I did you the courtesy of addressing the points you raised on the off-chance you misunderstood, clearly you didn’t by responding with whitabootery…

              • Republicofscotland says:

                “Democracy is not theirs to dictate”

                On the contrary Bob, I was responding to your point above.

          • Petra says:

            Spot on, Bob.

    • Golfnut says:

      Explain the relevance of this bollocks, which incidentally breaches any normal ( unbiased )interpretation of International law, UN resolutions and indeed the UK’s own submission to the ICJ regards Kosovo.

  118. Dr Jim says:

    There are various versions and interpretations of the word *legal*

  119. “our capital city, which is both the richest part of the UK and so close to the centre of politics that it is likeliest to have the most influence on it.”

    Brown’s ‘Four Pillars’ to save his country ‘Britain’, demands that we all share his insane thesis by accepting meekly that, London, England’s capital city, is also we Scots’ capital.

    He’s in the New Statesman, churning out the same guff as McLeish on federalism. Some of his haverings is almost word for word McLeish..

    The primary motive for these two hoary old carpetbaggers is of course to get their names in the ‘papers and on the telly, to resurrect their tired old faces/brand, so that they can tout their wares all over the New World Order, trousering fees and wages and ‘visiting professorships’, principally in the US.

    Their ramblings border on early onset doderiness…is that a word?

    My capital is of course the capital of Scotland, which is Edinburgh.

    • Dr Jim says:

      This morning Ian Duncan Smith was spouting the same stuff “We must get London back to full working order, London is the economic driver of the UK, without London thriving the rest of the UK cannot thrive”

      Now that there statement is an open acknowledgement that London only cares about London and only ever has cared about London, and what does it say about the government of a four nation union that it has become totally dependent on one town in the south of England so much so that it has placed all it’s eggs in that basket, or could it be that it’s much easier to conceal what you’re doing when you keep the money close to the distribution source

      Cardiff Edinburgh Belfast, now you know the position with the UK London government, we have no position we’re barely an afterthought

  120. Republicofscotland says:

    Well, well, well, they’ll be no S30 order transfer to Scotland, who’d have thought it.

    • Petra says:

      Well, well, well that doesn’t come as a surprise, does it? 😎. Let’s see what happens next 😀.

      • Dr Jim says:

        Well well well MP writes to PM gets a reply from MP and the Scottish Taliban gets excited because it looks like negative news for the SNP and rushes to post it on a website that is not supportive of the Scottish Taliban or it’s methods

        Commonly known as trolling

      • Legerwood says:

        No it does not come as a surprise which is why the plan, neither A,B,C …Z, just ‘the plan’ will have factored such a refusal into the plan. To draw up a plan for a route to independence without factoring in such a refusal would be very remiss of the SNP/FM/SG and I doubt that they have been in any way remiss.

        When you plan something as big and as important as an independence campaign it has to be all encompassing laying out the route and the steps along that route i.e. the groundwork. But also factoring in anything that might require a detour round any foreseen, or unforeseen, event en route. Preferably covering all eventualities so that course changes can be made before the obstacle derails the process.

        Under such a scenario Plan B is not required and calling for Plan B suggests that the person or persons do not understand what planning is about.

        Without the EU referendum and that result there would not be any material change that would trigger a second indyref. The opportunity the results presented at UK level and within Scotland have provided the opportunity for a second indyref. The SG and SNP leadership have taken full advantage of that opportunity presented by Brexit to demonstrate to the people of Scotland that the Union does not work for the Scotland they want and at the same time to establish Scotland’s singular identity within the UK to the international Community and how the Union disadvantages Scotland.

        • grizebard says:

          […] calling for Plan B suggests that the person or persons do not understand what planning is about.


          Oh, if I never see that damn expression again it’ll be too soon. Calling for such is in effect implying that the SNP leadership don’t have a clue. Which is exceeding unlikely. Some of us may be impatient with the apparent pace of progress, but that’s not the same thing, and we have a definite and extremely crucial step coming up soon now on which we must focus. To demonstrate to the whole world that we as a people really mean business. First things first.

        • Dr Jim says:

          The thing about this nonsense is it’s not Angus’s place nor does he posses the authority to request such a thing and he knows it, and that’s why the PM did not personally reply, because he doesn’t have to, it’s a childish wee stunt by Angus and he should’ve know better

          Having said that it could be Angus is just doing his job of keeping the profile high in the news, but I’m guessing the news won’t even mention it because Angus himself is not high enough profile to make any kind of fuss about

          • Republicofscotland says:

            Oh I think we know what Johnson thinks with regards to the transferring of the S30, its a non starter. Angus B. MacNeil is doing what the FM should be doing exploring options for when they will be needed, lets not forget Johnson has prorogued parliament, broken International Law and reneged on EU agreements, so saying no continually to the S30, won’t really be a problem for the man.

            • Petra says:

              Amazing how people like you profess to know what Nicola Sturgeon thinks or plans to do. Do you really think that she and her many constitutional experts have been standing around with a glazed eye look and with their fingers stuck up their backsides?

              You, the mindreader, seems to know what Johnson plans to do too. Many of his close mates, and I doubt that you are one of them (then again?), reckon that he’ll be doing a runner early next year.

              • Republicofscotland says:

                First point Petra, wouldn’t you agree that Sturgeon has backed herself into a corner by insisting that we get Johnson’s approval via an S30.

                Second point, even if Johnson does leave next year, what on earth makes you think his Tory successor will in any way grant an S30, especially when the polls are constantly in our favour.

                But on a more sombre note there’s no way Westminster will allow the UK to lose one third of its land mass and all the assets that go with it by risking a second indyref.

                • Petra says:

                  Sturgeon? Nicola Sturgeon you mean or the First Minister of Scotland has already stated, in January, that she would consider another route other than the S30 route. Her comments in fact at that time were lauded by Joanna Cherry. And don’t forget that it was Alex Salmond that set the S30 precedent and yet I don’t hear you mumping about him.

                  And on your 3rd point it won’t actually matter what we do then, as far as you’re (and your WOS boss) concerned, if Westminster refuses to let us go. Plan A, B, C to Z won’t work.

        • Alex Clark says:

          Exactly, a “plan” doesn’t end and require a new one if it, “the plan”, fallls at the first hurdle. An utterly ridiculous and childish concept for any strategy and especially one by a government.

          • Republicofscotland says:


            The hurdle (Johnson agreeing to the S30) looks to be unsurmountable, in all walks of life its good to have a back up plan. Is there even a consensus as to how long we’d actually give Johnson to agree, five years, ten years, longer.

            I’d like to think the Scottish government would, if Johnson keeps refusing, withdraw from Westminster and break more ties with the UK government in a whole host of fields.

            • Petra says:

              There probably is a backup plan but do you really think that Nicola Sturgeon is going to announce it to the world at large? If you lot got your way we’d see her sitting talking to Marr, Brewer, Andrew Neil, etc, like a wee toon gossip regaling us all over a cup of tea with, ”well I’m going to try that, twice in fact, and if that doesn’t work, I’ll try that by such and such a date and see how I get on and maybe I’ll even try that, but don’t tell Boris.” Time to get real FGS.

              • Republicofscotland says:

                Nice to see Petra that you think there’s a Plan B, you know it makes sense.

                • Petra says:

                  I know that keeping your gob shut, like Nicola Sturgeon, makes sense. Can you think of any leader that ever won a battle by letting the enemy know exactly what they were planning to do? No? Me neither.

                  You are being led up the garden path by someone who has no idea what Nicola Sturgeon is planning to do either. You are all being manipulated and brainwashed by someone who just makes assumptions in conjunction with lies, smears and innuendo.

            • grizebard says:

              Oh, give it a rest. You’re not nearly as stupid as you appear to be, and you insult our intelligence by this repetitious disingenuousness. I’m just glad it’s the SNP who are preparing for what is to come and not you, who very obviously don’t have any alternative way forward to offer. The reason why being fairly obvious: while you present yourself for consumption here as somewhat dim but reasonable and earnest, you are trying your hardest to distract and diminish support for any progress. Another apparent leftard acting as a contemptible Tory shill. Or just a contemptible Tory fake.

            • Alex Clark says:

              You completely miss the point. The “plan” already knows that a refusal of a Section 30 is possible and maybe likely. The Scottish government are just not going to reveal what they will then do in that event. To do so before it happens would be ridiculous.

              The plan anticipates refusal of a Section 30 otherwise it is not a plan. Don’t you get that?

        • Bob Lamont says:

          “Under such a scenario Plan B is not required and calling for Plan B suggests that the person or persons do not understand what planning is about”
          Or despite understanding it wish to deceive or manipulate others to doubt ?
          I saw this first play out well over a year ago possibly on Marr, and it was fairly obvious even then it was not public interest being served by the question (Plan B?) rather than to confirm to those planning against Indy their hunch was right so they could firm up on that particular defence. This was recycled time and again with SNP politicians on media where they were hilariously vague, much to the annoyance of the media/manipulators. I’m perfectly sure those behind the scenes are well informed, but that it should be played out before an audience (the public) implies they desperately need public support to defend else they’re screwed…
          Hence the chinese whispers campaign, it’s all a scam, etc…

          • Republicofscotland says:


            The House of Cards all falls down, the indy bills, naming a date, the mandates etc, if Johnson doesn’t issue the S30, for when you rigidly stick to a plan even if that plan doesn’t seem to be working then you’re doomed to fail.

        • Republicofscotland says:

          “The SG and SNP leadership have taken full advantage of that opportunity presented by Brexit to demonstrate to the people of Scotland that the Union does not work for the Scotland they want and at the same time to establish Scotland’s singular identity within the UK to the international Community and how the Union disadvantages Scotland.”


          Giving you the benefit of the doubt that the SNP government has indeed taken full advantage of the Brexit debacle, of which many would very much doubt that claim. It still leaves us no further forward, according your doctrine, as with many other folk in here, we need Johnson to transfer the S30 order, and today his man in Scotland said no.

        • Golfnut says:

          One other point worth mentioning, Westminster has to agree terms/S30 to remain legally relevant to the referendum process in Scotland.

      • Republicofscotland says:

        That’s the problem Petra, nothing will happen, the status quo will remain.

        • Petra says:

          What on earth are you going to do, more so where are you going to go, when a referendum is held next year? People like you and the Bam from Bath are going to be made redundant, RoS, in the very near future. Nothing surer 😀.

          • Republicofscotland says:

            Petra, I sincerely hope that the indyref is held next year, I’ll be delighted if it is, the disappointment of 2014 is still with me, the scenes in George Sq will live with me to the end. I don’t want to see a rerun of that.

            As for being redundant, I hope this time next year that I”ll be commenting on Scottish government policy in an independent Scotland.

            • Petra says:

              ”I hope this time next year that I”ll be commenting on Scottish government policy in an independent Scotland.”

              I sincerely hope not as your judgement seems to be severely impaired. Anyone who calls for the FM of Scotland to show her hand in relation to her Independence strategy, to all and sundry, needs their head looked at, imo, especially when we’re in the midst of a pandemic.

              • Alex Clark says:

                Anyone undermining the SNP at this time is also undermining the goal of Independence, for it is only with a majority SNP government that there will be a second Independence referendum.

                The Unionists know this and are doing their very very best to prevent such coming to pass.

                It’s not fecking rocket science.

                • Bob Lamont says:

                  Problem is the Tories have most of the rockets….
                  Doris, DRoss, Mogg-synthesiser, Unable-Seaman Bowie, Don’t know Jack, etc., with Turdo, the Baronless, Briggs-too-far, and Poisoned-Wells as acting/reserves…

        • Bob Lamont says:

          Thank you Sergeant Fraser, Doomed and Marooned it is then, that bundle of joy when the going gets tough, that black cloud however distant on a blue skied summers day, fan of 1970s “Songs to slit your wrists by” from Leonard Cohen, leaching positivity from every pore unlike Prince Andrew, a true inspiration to all…

  121. grizebard says:

    Watching FMQ’s today was a depressing experience. What a load of inconsequential dead-beat opposition whingers looking for mutually-incompatible instant actions that none of them have even a fraction of the capability to deal with, were they head of government instead (which thankfully they’re not). The problem with being incompetent is that everything looks amazingly easy from a safe distance.

    Baroness Boughtup though has apparently given up entirely on the virus crisis as a lost cause. (Which is sound judgement, I grant.) Her tawdry focus though looks uncommon like the guff echoed by the WaS overspill on here and elsewhere. People who seem to stick “scotland” in their moniker in the belief we’ll naively assume they’re supporters instead of Tory stooges.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Yep, we demand that you break the ministerial code, which is the law, we demand that you dae sumthin so people won’t die, we demand that you don’t have Christmas while at the same time have Christmas but stop saying you’re not happy about it because that’s confusing, then there was Willie Rennie borrowing Neil Findlay’s tactics of wiping a tear away as he mentally counts how many votes that might be worth

      Then we have a look at the newspaper and the Scottish Taliban leader is trolling posters on that complaining he’s not famous enough, sometimes I think maybe Scotland doesn’t deserve Independence when there are folk stupid enough to believe the Ego in Bathistan has any interest other than his own self aggrandisement

      • Petra says:

        Oh and don’t forget that over and above the egotistical narcissists focus on his own self-aggrandisement there’s also his fixation on attempting to scupper our chances of getting our Independence to ensure that he lines his own pocket.

        He has around 50 people posting on that site daily, at most, and many of them are more than likely BritNats who more than likely don’t even have a vote in Scotland either. I just wonder how many of the 670,000 people who visited his site in July can’t stand him or in fact may actually hate him. if I was him I wouldn’t be bragging about that number of visits if you take the latter into account, I would be getting ready to make a quick getaway.

        • grizebard says:

          Whatever is driving him these days, I’m not sure he’s still making money from it. More likely living off the stash he accumulated in the past, eg. to produce Wee Blue Book #2. If monetising the site is now the aim, he’s surely missing a prime opportunity for a plump donation from the Tories. They must just love how he’s turned WoS WaS right round.

  122. Jim says:

    The first positive step towards outlawing the barbaric sport of shooting defenseless birds.
    Scot Gov is to license the estates. Any raptor persecution you lose your license.
    Boy are the toffs miffed!

    • Dr Jim says:

      It’s a start, and the morons who kill stuff for fun will know where this goes, good job Scotguv

    • Petra says:

      I’m with the Greens on this. Not only would I want to see Scotland rid of grouse moors altogether, I would want to see all of the lands bequeathed by King whoever from the year dot rightfully returned to the Scottish people.

      ..”Meanwhile, the Scottish Greens environment spokesperson Mark Ruskell said his party was committed to ridding Scotland of grouse moors. He said it was “outrageous that up to a fifth of Scotland’s land is kept barren for a bloodsport which causes enormous damage, kills other species and burns valuable peatland”.”..

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      • Petra says:

        Apologies. TWO videos.

      • I may have mentioned this before….
        Time to drive them off our land..and it is our land.

        • Jim says:

          Absolutely Jack.
          Either that or arm the grouse with Uzi’s.

          • We could get Gary Larson, the genius behind the mad animals of The Far Side to dream up a suitable punishment for the psychopaths who derive sadistic pleasure from killing animals for fun.

            A grizzly bear’s cave with the heads of the chinless aristocrats adorning the walls?
            I repeat. Ban all blood sports, reducing the 18% of Scotland to worthless gorse and pay the Robber Barons and filthy rich tax evaders £1 an acre, by compulsory purchase orders.
            IT is an obscenity in the 21st century that we still have an Elite owning vast tracts of Scotland…

  123. Dr Jim says:

    Boris Johnson begins his speech talking about England then refers to it as the UK, he then goes on to talk about *all our friends around the world* who as we know aren’t our friends at all because Joe Biden has told Johnson and his government to get stuffed there’ll be no trade deal with America as long as England interferes in Ireland, the EU has publicly called Johnson and his government “untrustworthy” and nobody in the other three countries of the United Kingdom has a good word to say about him either, including, who would have thought it even the DUP who don’t trust him either

  124. Hamish100 says:

    I see the bbc web page is stating “.. Infection rates levelling in England, rising in Scotland..” I looked closely at the statement -in the smaller print it repeats the statement with the word “..apparently..”

  125. Petra says:

    ‘Nicola Sturgeon says indyref2 will come in ‘early part’ of next Holyrood term.’

    ..”Asked about whether Westminster may block a second independence vote, Sturgeon said: “If people vote for a referendum, there will be a referendum.”..


    Lead by Donkeys visit Scotland 😀.

    Led By Donkeys:- ”We know you’re finding it difficult to accept the election result so we projected it onto your golf course with some familiar music.”

    • Dr Jim says:

      The referendum was scheduled for this year but Covid19 wrecked any chance of that and that’s what the wee Nyaff seized on as proof of SNP badness and secret MI5ness of Nicola Sturgeon and her opportunistic gladness at Covid happening

      It’s all textbook Daily Mail and Daily Express rabble rousing

      The period poverty bill was passed in the Scottish parliament and the world sat up and paid attention once again to Scotland and congratulated our parliament for it’s progressive attitude, did any of these so called Scottish papers or supposed websites that purport to support Scotland utter a stutter? no they did not, did soaring over his own ego make a sound? not a Dicky bird

      These people don’t care about Scotland except to do everything they can to halt our progress

    • Tam the Bam says:

      ……still holding my sides Petra!…lol

  126. Petra says:

    Brilliant Paul. Just what we need. Informative and witty.

    Wee Ginger Dug: ‘As BritNats trash their own house the impotent howls grow louder.’

    ..”Gove is desperate to deflect blame (onto Nicola Sturgeon) because Andrew Bailey, the governor of the Bank of England, has warned that a No-Deal Brexit will cost the UK more in the long term than the economic damage caused by the Covid-19 pandemic. Most observers agree that the biggest obstacle to a deal is the intransigence of the Prime Malingerer himself, and his crazed desperation to keep his swivel-eyed crazed Brextremist back-benchers on board as his administration lurches from one self-inflicted crisis to another.”..


    BBC: Ofcom report shows corporation’s impartiality score at record low.’

    ”Fewer people believe the BBC to be an impartial broadcaster than ever before, with the corporation’s news output falling below Sky, ITV/STV, Channel 5, and Channel 4 in the latest Ofcom report.

    The results make the BBC the lowest-ranked channel in the UK, with just five in 10 Scots believing it succeeds in “providing impartial news and information to help people understand and engage with the world around them”.

    • Dr Jim says:

      The BBCs flagship news programme *The Nine* attracts less than 4000 viewers per night from a population of 5.4million, considering the BBC is a state broadcaster that nobody can actually delete channels from their TV and are forced by law to pay a UK government tax to fund it that is the most incredible amount of Scottish people proving categorically by not tuning in that Scotland isn’t interested until we get a SBC

      What other so called democratic countries in the world force unwanted broadcasting down their populations throats and make them pay for it, even North Korea doesn’t do that

  127. Arthur Thomson says:

    On BBC1 news tonight Nicola was baited by Sarah Smith that Johnson has said no to a section 30.

    Nicola pointed to the parallel with Trump, ultimately having to respect the result of an election.

    It was that brief and a very pointed conversation.


  128. Republicofscotland says:

    Right this isn’t Pete Wishart or Ian Blackford saying this, no its the FM herself Nicola Sturgeon, she’s made a commitment here to hold an indyref in the earlier part of her next tenure if she and her party are successful in 2021, possibly 2022 for the indyref.

    • grizebard says:

      The “earlier part” of her tenure starts in May 2021, so kindly GTF.

    • Nice try Republicofscotland .

      • Republicofscotland says:

        I’ve no idea what your on about.

        • grizebard says:

          “You’re” not “your”. And you know damn fine.

          You’re done here, just wasting your time.

          • Republicofscotland says:

            “And you know damn fine.”

            Is this cryptic clues week? Go on give me a clue then. and the only thing that’s done is that Sturgeon has made a commitment, not before time though, lets hope she sticks to it.

            • grizebard says:

              Please don’t insult us any more with this faux idiocy. You’re getting nowhere.

            • Petra says:

              Is there a cryptic clue involved in explaining why you are heavily involved in trying to destroy the only political party capable of getting us our Independence?

              • Republicofscotland says:

                Not destroying Petra, attempting to hold to account to carry out what we voted them into office for independence.

                • Drew Anderson says:

                  Who, exactly, are “we”?

                  Why do you presume everyone shares your particular motives? There are still people who are yet to be convinced of full Independence that are happy to have the SNP run devolved affairs; they’ll never vote Tory, but have lost faith in Labour. Some are still genuinely afraid of going it alone and need to be convinced.

                  Whether you like it or not, the SNP’s measured approach is winning the hearts and minds of the people who will tip the balance.

                  Your endless shite, for shite it is, is entirely irrelevant when trying to reach out to the people who will swing Iref2.

                  • Republicofscotland says:

                    Well, Drew, the last 14 or 15 polls have shown that the majority of folk in Scotland would like to see it become independent, so my WE is greater than YOUR PEOPLE for now at least.

                    Of course you can refer to my comments as shite if you wish its your opinion and that’s fair enough.

                    • grizebard says:

                      Don’t shamelessly try to put yourself on the same side as the people of Scotland, Mr. Reasonable, because you’re obviously not. You lost us all a long time ago but somehow you just can’t stop yourself digging away at the hole you’ve made for yourself. Just give us and yourself a break.

                      Go back to posting another wee round of neutral supportive comments again in the (forlorn!) hope we’ll forget what you’re really about.

                    • Republicofscotland says:


                      Well I can put myself on the same side as the majority of Scots who support independence because I support it too. Also I’m not commenting to lose or find people as you say I’m giving my opinion just as you are, we may clash on that, however like it or not, we’re on the same side, I want independence and so do you.

    • Alex Clark says:

      I think that she is handling this exactly right. I believe so too will the majority of the Scottish people who are not all foaming at the mouth demanding an Independence referendum next week.

      We will have it when the time is right and that is not in the middle of a pandemic. Despite your attempts to appear as a reasonable sort, you really have been losing it these past few days LOL

  129. Hamish100 says:

    Still on the other channel a follower states”. To win you must first know your enemies.”

    Yip a so called independence supporter talking about independence supporters.


  130. Dr Jim says:

    Now we have the idiots filling up the comments on the National sewing the argumentative seeds of the differences between the meanings of words “she said should” “that should be would” or *will* or *must* or she didn’t say what flavour of ice cream she likes so it must all be back pedaling or obfuscation or word twisting when the only people engaged in that pastime are the Unionists and their little helpers the SNP haters because they want the SNP to lose in May so they can gloat and begin their nasty wee process again

    • grizebard says:

      They want the SNP to lose so that they can offer the gullible their sweet nuthin’s instead. In the meantime they are merely a Tory echo box. Unionist little helpers indeed. Next May will see them gone-gone-gone, thankfully.

      Some it seems are currently leaking out from over the way because they’ve begun to realise that the place is now so full of fake alt-indy Tory shills (and who knows who else) that they’re mostly reaching all the wrong people!

    • Petra says:

      And do you see that there’s a large contingent from the Westminster owns Scotland site on there now? Spreading their boss’s muck around.

  131. Hamish100 says:

    Only the SNP can win for Independence as a party in the Scottish Election next year. Simple and factual.
    This will make some great pretender mighty annoyed.

  132. Arthur Thomson says:

    For years, WoS was my first port of call to keep abreast of thinking on indy. Each year I made a small donation to the site – always with the comment that it was in recognition of the work done during the past year, not in expectation of what would happen in the year ahead.

    When I concluded that it was all going pear shaped I left and never went back.I have no regrets and I have zero doubt that when it stopped being pro independence it ceased to have any relevance in this world.

    I am reminded of the rapper turned crapper, Loki. Saw and heard him gibbering dementedly on the Nine. Sad really but inconsequential.

    These two are not representative in any way of Scotland or the Scots. Scotland is neither immune to nor particularly susceptible to sad cases.

    The Brits, on the other hand ………..

    • Stephen McKenzie says:

      Arthur, I have to say like you I it was my “go to” web page for some brilliant analysis that the Stu put in backed up by figures, charts and quotes. It put the so called main stream investigative journalists to shame. I was also happy to dig into my pocket to support Stu and the site and his good work.

      However, when all the “Trans”, “Wokes” – still no idea what that is, and other pet subjects of Stu’s came along I baled out. I have looked a few times since but do not dwell too long.

      Great pity

  133. Hamish100 says:

    Arthur, spot on. We will fight the good fight as duggers!

    I do miss the weekly podcasts but hopefully our hosts health will continue to improve. Let’s get through Christmas and ratchet up.

  134. Alex Clark says:

    I’ve been on about this for a couple of days now after watching the flag waving and trumpet blowing by Johnson and his cabinet fully supported by the BBC on the news of the Oxford Coronavirus vaccine.

    I suggested that according to a report in Nature that I posted a link to here it looked like quite a bit more research might be required before this vaccine gained approval. Well the shit has hit the fan sooner than I expected.

    “One analyst in the US wrote in an investor note that “we believe that this product will never be licensed in the US” and alleged the company had tried to “embellish” the results.

    It comes after the headline figure for the vaccine’s overall efficacy was put at 70% – as announced by the company on Monday and discussed in a press briefing by the Oxford researchers. But a sub-set of fewer than 3,000 people in the UK was given a lower dose regime – originally by accident – where the efficacy rose to 90%. In most trial volunteers in Brazil and the UK, it was 62%.

    Sir Mene Pangalos, AstraZeneca’s head of biopharmaceuticals R&D, has confirmed that the low-dose trial included nobody over the age of 55. This led to concerns that younger age may have been a factor – particularly relevant given that vulnerable elderly people are most at risk from Covid-19.

    Researchers had no explanation for the 90% result in people given a half dose followed by a whole dose of the vaccine, instead of two whole doses in other arms of the trial.

    On Thursday AstraZeneca said it would undertake a new global trial using the lower-dose regimen. The timeline for regulatory approval and rollout of the vaccine in the UK and Europe should not be affected.”

    Will they ever learn not to build expectations only to have them fall down? I very much doubt it.

    • Petra says:

      It was sticking in their craw that someone beat them to it hence jumping the gun. They leave themselves looking like fools at every turn especially with everything that they’ve touched in relation to this virus. Westminster is the laughing stock of the World.

  135. Dr Jim says:

    I see Professor Sir John Curtice is having another go at his pet theory of pushing the notion that it’s all down to Boris Johnson that Scotland wants Independence, he should and does know better but probably hopes that if Johnson disappears it’ll all be alright in the morning, Boris Johnson is just the latest example of the British Nationalism that Scotland’s eyes have now been jammed wide open to see for themselves that Tory Labour Liberal Democrat, it makes no difference which colour rosette they pin on themselves they all read British Exceptionalist Party on them, Johnson is just another symptom not the cause

    Scotland is about to receive two vaccinations, one against Covid 19 and one against British Imperialism and all we have to do to secure our health in Scotland is put a cross in a couple of boxes in May next year

    The right wing will try to stop us, the left wing will try to stop us, people who say they’re on our side will try to stop us by sleakit deception (watch out for the fedora) we must be more resolute than ever and ignore the festering lot of them in their simmering bile, they won’t come with us, so leave them to it until they decide to catch up, and they will saying they were always on Scotland’s side anyway it wiz jist that y’no eh well em excuse excuse

    Aye right we’ll say nae mair aboot it

    • John Curtice is a Senior Research Fellow for “The National Centre for Social Research, a registered charity trading as NatCen Social Research and is the largest independent social research institute in the UK. The research charity was founded in 1969 by Sir Roger Jowell and Gerald Hoinville with the aim of carrying out rigorous social policy research to improve society.

      NatCen is best known for its annual British Social Attitudes Survey, founded by the organisation in 1983.

      The British Social Attitudes survey is Britain’s longest-running annual survey of public attitudes and can be accessed for research through the UK Data Service.

      It uses a random probability method and face to face interviews with more than 3,000 people to ensure that it achieves a sample that is representative of Britain. NatCen’s sister organisation, the Scottish Centre for Social Research (ScotCen), carries out an equivalent of the survey in Scotland, called the Scottish Social Attitudes survey.

      In addition to the British Social Attitudes survey, NatCen collects a number of statistics on behalf of the UK government and government bodies. These include the Health Survey for England,[the English Housing Survey, The National Diet and Nutrition Survey and the Study of Early Education and Development (SEED).

      The National Centre for Social Research is not just a survey organisation, however, it is also well regarded for its research using qualitative and evaluation methods.”(Wiki entry)

      Last time I looked 65% of this ‘charity’s’ donations came from the Brit Government.

      John Curtice knows the answers which WM demands beforehand, then fills in the ‘research’ to ‘prove’ it.
      Hence this nonsense that the rise in Yes polls is because we hate Johnson. Not Brexit, not because we yet again are ruled by a Government for whom we didn’t vote.

      He is paid to be a Brit apologist.
      That’s why he’s never off the BBC.
      That’s why he is now ‘Sir’ John.

      The fact that Johnson is an odious little gnaff is just the icing on the cake.

  136. Welsh Siôn says:

    Ok, Scotland. This is the deal. You sign our petition – We sign yours.

    Are you with us?

    New independence referendum petition surges to almost 6,000 signatures

    26th November 2020

    A petition calling on Westminster to grant a referendum on independence has gained almost 6,000 signatures.

    Carina Josephine Williams created the petition {LINK BELOW} called ‘Let there be a referendum for Welsh independence’, with the number of signatures jumping in the last 24 hours as it was shared on social media.

    Ms Williams said: “The IndyWales movement has gained many supporters and followers recently. Many people support an independent Wales. Let Welsh people have a referendum and make the choice.”

    If the petition gains 10,000 signatures the UK Government will respond to it, and if it reaches 100,000 signatures it will be considered for debate in the UK Parliament.

    The petition will run until 5 April 2021.



    That Petition:

    Get signing, Scotland! Thanks, muchly. 🙂

  137. Petra says:

    Prof. Devi Sridhar:- ”Keep being asked questions about meeting/travel over the holidays that people want to hear an emotionally reassuring & comforting answer. I can’t do that as a public health scientist right now & have to be straight, even if unpopular. COVID doesn’t care that it’s Christmas or Thanksgiving. It spreads in indoor, poorly ventilated settings esp households. If you want to safely see family, check local prevalence, get outside for walks, ventilate indoor settings & isolate for 2 weeks before seeing vulnerable ppl.”..



    ”UK Government ‘too busy’ for Scotland: Kate Forbes on struggles with Westminster.”..

  138. Petra says:

    Michael Dougan:- ”For anyone interested in the (justified) controversies surrounding the UK Internal Market Bill and its impact on devolution – here is the link to the recording, now online, of my Mitchell Lecture 2020… with renewed thanks to the Edinburgh Europa Institute!”



  139. Petra says:

    ‘Alison Thewliss expertly trolls Rishi Sunak over redacted document gaffe.’

    ..”The SNP MP shared what she had been sent by the Treasury – effectively nothing.That’s because virtually every line of the document had been redacted. It’s understood all opposition MPs received the same ultra-useful document.”..


    Check out Ann’s latest links on the Indyref2 site.

  140. Welsh Siôn says:

    Good to see that the First Minister of England is working with the other nations.

    The leaders of the four UK nations may have brought some festive cheer to people by relaxing social contact rules for five days over Christmas, but they have made clear they still want the public to be careful.



    Intriguing intro., don’t you think? 🙂

  141. Eilidh says:

    Just read an article in the National this morning by the blogger who shall not be named basically accusing Alyn Smith of misogyny because he referred to that blogger as Voldemort. Unbelievable!!. Him accusing Alyn Smith of misogyny is probably the funniest thing I have heard in months and misogyny is the very reason I stopped reading his blog and the comments of his acolyytes months ago. I have to admit I am getting increasingly dis satisfied with the National these days particularly my subscribtion paying for a comments section that is full of bile from unionist trolls and other nutcases

    • Dr Jim says:

      More and more people have *twigged* the blogger who *soars above his own ego* George Galloway without the hat

    • grizebard says:

      For the same reason as you give, with some regret I didn’t take up a subscription with the start of self-isolation back in the Spring, so maybe I’m the wrong person to pass judgement here and now, but it’s been my longstanding impression that the letters page has always attracted – even encouraged – a hard left element, whom I suspect now provides the main underpinning of alt-indy and its backstabbing attacks on the FM. They are characteristically far more energetic in public discourse than their support merits, as each and every election eventually demonstrates. Why The National persists in giving them so much succour as opposed to the mainstream of independence thought is beyond me, since it would seem to run contrary to sales expectations. A reflection of the personal preferences of the editorial staff, presumably. Maybe they reckon that they have cornered their market so well that indy supporters have nowhere else to turn. (Except to turn off entirely, of course.)

    • Republicofscotland says:


      I’m under the impression that the majority of commentors on wings are pro-women, as is its host, one can clearly see this by the lack of support for the GRA bill and the Self-ID proposals.

      • Eilidh says:

        Republic of Scotland why are you here you are clearly an agitator for that despicable poor excuse for a human being which I don’t mention by name as I won’t give him even more publicity which would only enhance his ego. I refer to him as the Bam from Bath or the blogger that shall not be named but you know who I mean. As I posted on the Nationals comments section yesterday I will not be lectured about Indy or womens rights by someone who has lived in a foreign country for years.In no way shape or form does that blogger or vast majority of his acolytes defend womens rights. His site is full of rank misogyny written by him and his followers one of which you appear to be. I am not near as rude as that blogger but you have been infesting this site with various conspiracy theories and anti Nicola Sturgeon propaganda for at least a couple of weeks now so time you jog on back to your bosses site. Paul has said this site is to promote a positive case for Scottish Independence judging by the amount of utter garbage you have posted here recently that is not something you are interested in doing

        • Republicofscotland says:

          “Paul has said this site is to promote a positive case for Scottish Independence judging by the amount of utter garbage you have posted here recently that is not something you are interested in doing”

          On the contrary Eilidh, I’m all for independence, infact it was me who posted the link to Sturgeon’s announcement that an independence referendum will be held, of course I’ll rest a bit easier when she names the date, which will remove any doubt. Infesting the site, well if offering an alternative opinion is now called infesting, then by all means continue to use that term.

          • grizebard says:

            There goes the “Sturgeon” tell again.

            Oh, Mr Reasonable, you are a caution.

          • Eilidh says:

            There are plenty of alternative opinions here ROS as can be seen in the many posts about trade unions in past few days. Unfortunatey your posts often regurgitate the teachings of the Bam from Bath and Paul has already said they are not welcome here.
            I note the interesting use of language in your post to me at 1.05pm where you say “one can clearly see …..” the use of one is not often used in that context in Scotland. Generally it is only used by Lords, stuck up Tory twats or members of the Royal family. I am guessing you are not a member of the Royal family although I have heard Prince Andrew is not busy these days

    • Petra says:

      Yeah he’s got some brass neck Eilidh when you take into account the names (filth) that he and cult followers call Nicola Sturgeon alone.

      I think Paul pointed out some time ago that they don’t have the money/staff to monitor the comments section effectively. Maybe we should all think of getting on there to counteract the BritNats or if it becomes counterproductive they should just shut the comments section down.

      • Dr Jim says:

        They’re not just going after the FM oh no they’ve decided that Kate Forbes is fair game for their bile now

  142. Jim says:

    Too many locals in various popular areas in Scotland are priced out of the property market due to investors, so the Scot Guv are devolving licensing powers to local councils in order to
    control the amount of Air B and B’s in all councils.
    Another positive step by a caring government.

    Not doing the day job Roothie?

    Away and plank your fat arse in the HOL and good riddance.

  143. Republicofscotland says:

    LBC radio news reporting that Johnson’s “Union unit” will be asking that every single vaccine dose of the Oxford Covid-19 vaccine has a Union Jack plastered on it.

  144. Hamish100 says:

    Reading Campbells greetin right of reply in the National. Should he not create his own newspaper to do so? His usual rebuff to critics – not that many as they seem to get bannedi is away and get your own blog this mines.

    He is a right winger though or is that whinger?

  145. Republicofscotland says:

    Check out the SNP GOODGUYS

  146. Jim says:

    Oh for god’s sake!

    How infantile is this.

    “No.10 Demands union flag is put on the oxford vaccine”

  147. Dr Jim says:

    The SNP by becoming so successful attracted all of the previously unsuccessful who flocked to the party in great numbers but they didn’t join the party or fund the party they just glued themselves on at the edges in the way that celebrities attract hangers on who bask in the success of their host like parasites

    These parasites enjoy the attention given to the party then attempt to become influencers of others around the party using the ideology that failed them in past attempts at creating themselves as political figures, once that’s achieved they begin to promote themselves as integral cogs in the machine of politics

    In Scotland now we are experiencing the same parasitical bunch of user no hopers that infested previous Labour parties the latest which of course was the Corbyn era and that lot were successful in destroying Labour for well, lets call it a generation just for fun

    I could rhyme off the names of most of these leeches most of you here will know those names and there are many, we see their names regularly on the internet, in the newspapers, in commentary sections on blogs where we never heard of these people previously, they form little think tank groups, they hold meetings using the banner of SNP Independence because that’s the popular politic in Scotland now, but they all have one thing in common, supporters who follow them and claim that they and only they have the political answers the rest of us need answered that are better than the actual political party they hung their coat on who without them they’d be nobody and nothing the way they were before they became SNP ticks

    They sometimes try to invent a party of their own, we’ve seen that several times in the last couple of years but each time these people fall flat on their faces because the general population of the country don’t and won’t support them so what do they do to maintain themselves, well they try to undermine the party they leeched on to in the first place in an attempt to supplant them by bombarding the public with various corruption smears or accuse them of lying to the public, and as we know the public does love bad news, it sells papers and attract even more zoomers to the cause

    The other thing it does is give the opposition, which in Scotland’s case are the unionists, the opportunity to join the cause of the destruction of their opponents by spreading money around to aid in that cause, and again as we know there are always plenty of people around prepared to take anybody’s money if it means either furthering their own cause and becoming more financially better off into the bargain, it’s all win win for the parasites

    Let’s see if the Scottish parasites manage to do to the SNP what they always do to the Labour party
    I have my doubts that they’ll manage this, but just remember this folks we know who they are, and if the SNP lose the May election by not winning enough votes that would secure support for Independence going forward we’ll know who cost Scotland that prize too

    And we’ll know exactly who to blame

    • Republicofscotland says:

      Interesting comment Dr Jim, on Corbyn, I can say this openly now that he’s gone, but he would have been great for England as PM, a real socialist PM in Downing Street, that thought frightened the living daylights out of the Tories the corporate media, big business and of course the Blairites within the Labour party itself.

      “I could rhyme off the names of most of these leeches most of you here will know those names and there are many”

      Could you please list a few Dr Jim just for clarity.


    • grizebard says:

      Yes, and alas we have a current infestation of one of the leeches right here.

      I fully expect next May will provide an all-round fumigation.

      • Dr Jim says:

        And if we win Independence those same parasites will claim it was their pressure wot dun it

        • A Bruce says:

          Ticks, parasites, leeches , infestation, fumigation. Have I strayed onto a Rentokil site? Thankfully no mention yet of vermin.
          I have been an independence supporter all my life, also a lapsed SNP member, who has just rejoined the party in an attempt to rid the NEC of opponents of transparency.
          I expect that Paul when he’s regained his health will eventually come to see that all is not as it should be. You don’t just have to take Campbells opinions on the matter; most of the YES for Indy bloggers, Iain Lawson, Barrhead Boy, Grousebeater, Gordon Ross, Peter A Bell, Craig Murray as well as others in the party are extremely dissatisfied.
          But it’s time now to leave this charming bubble of blinkered believers in St Nicola, who are not unlike brexiteers in respect of their unshakeable cognitive dissonance.

          • grizebard says:

            “opponents of transparency”? WOW, that will really bring out the voters for yes.

            (Where do these assiduous navel-gazers come from? We can guess… )

            • Bob Lamont says:

              It was the “…charming bubble of blinkered believers in St Nicola, who are not unlike brexiteers in respect of their unshakeable cognitive dissonance” that got me laughing.
              There does seem to be something gone awry within SNP which only the members can force to be addressed, but SNP remain the democratic vehicle by which we may achieve independence.
              What stuns me is the absurd notion that as outside observers, we must accept speculation as proof positive of that mechanism being derailed, else we’re suffering “cognitive dissonance”.

          • Republicofscotland says:

            Careful Mr Bruce, you’re treading close to borders of rationality with that comment, you might end up on the list that I’m on.

            • grizebard says:

              If you find it so unconvinced and uncongenial here, you don’t have to come. You’re not a masochist, so why the desperate need? WaS is always readily available.

    • Petra says:

      Spot on, Dr Jim.

  148. Welsh Siôn says:

    Fight the Really-smugg:

    ‘Westminster is coming for devolution’ warns YesCymru as Jacob Rees-Mogg pledges to ‘undo’ it

    27th November 2020

    YesCymru has warned “Westminster is coming for devolution” after Jacob Rees-Mogg pledged to “undo” it.

    The Conservative MP for North East Somerset, and Leader of the House of Commons, took a swipe at what he called “constitutional tinkering” that had “helped divide the United Kingdom” on the floor of the House of Commons.


    • grizebard says:

      The Tories just don’t seem to understand the fundamentals, and have it arse over elbow. The “constitutional tinkering” (as they have it) is a consequence of the failure of Unionism to modernise and adapt, not the cause of Unionism’s problems. It’s Unionist reactionary fossilised thinking and suffocating greed for centralised power that’s slowly killing their (incorrectly-) assumed unitary state.

      The tree that survives the storm is the tree that bends with the wind. The tree that breaks is the tree which cannot bend.

      Unionism is the protagonist of its own demise.

  149. yesindyref2 says:

    As a little bit of info for WGD about Ayrshire, here’s who was the last Tory MP for Cunninghame North from 1983 to 1987.

    What it doesn’t say, no idea if it can be found online, is that during his time as our MP, he represented his constituents by trying to “curry” favour with Thatcher for his own advancement, by, when he won the ballots for a private members bill to go forward, using them to do the standard cross-party motions about 1). the death sentence, and 2). hanging. Neither of them of special interest to his constituents.

    He was booted out in 1987, including by me, and the infamous Brian Wilson took the seat. In his time he brought in two private members bills that actually helped his constituents; 1), the families of victims of asbestosis and silicosis could continue their claims after the victim’s death, and I forget the second but it was similar. No idea if this can be confirmed online. Just goes to show Wilson isn’t all bad, even if he was Chairman of the No to devolution Labour breakaway group in 1979.

    Maybole isn’t in Cunninghame North of course, but we’re all Ayrshire, my address when I can is Ayrshire not this divisive union created North Ayrshire, and much of the mines were in South Ayrshire. Old-timers might remember those days.

    It would be interesting some time, to see an article “The decline and fall of Tories in Ayrshire” …

  150. Alex Clark says:

    Just another example it seems of Johnson’s government over promising and under delivering. This one will leave a mark.

    “Senior NHS figures said they felt under significant political pressure from Boris Johnson’s government to get the vaccination programme under way as soon as possible, not only to protect lives but also to help boost the public mood and create optimism after the grim nine months of the pandemic. “We are being led by the nose over this, because of the huge political imperative to start jabbing people before Christmas,” said one executive.”

  151. emegraGraeme says:

    @Welsh Sion

    Just signed your petition

    Come on Wales

  152. Hamish100 says:
    See another SNP win. This has to stop. After all Nicola Sturgeon is in charge!

    • Welsh Siôn says:

      It’s almost as if they’re doing this on purpose, Hamish!

      Stop the Sturgeon bandwagon! GSTQ!

    • Dr Jim says:

      A sure sign that the SNP honeymoon is over and Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership is in jeopardy

      • JoMax says:

        Personally, I blame the voters. They have absolutely no right to vote for a Party of neo-liberal, tartan tory, warmongering, feminist, pretendy-independence-but-really-a-crew-of-undercover unionists led by a wummin who hogs the TV channels every day and disnae give any other Party a chance to get a word in. Before you know it, Scotland will be a one-party state and it will all be the fault of they pesky voters.

  153. Hamish100 says:

    If one part of WoS I do appreciate is the weekly Chris Cairns art work.
    I think that today’s, showing Alex Salmond effigy pushing to get through the door to get to Nicola and Johnson trying to get to Davidson is not one of his best thought out pieces of artwork.
    Mysogeny at a subliminal level.

    Of course the usual motley crew come out with “tractors” etc just to show how they support women. They certainly don’t do irony.

  154. Alex Clark says:

    OK, you’re only allowed one guess. Who wrote this?

    “I was born British and as a British citizen I will live out my days. My nationality is a state of mind and I have no intention of changing either. I know who I am and what I love – and what I love is Britain, the whole place, every nook and cranny. This is my island.”

    I couldn’t read the whole piece without a dry boak, it is a torturous piece of writing from a master of the cringe who has few equals 🙂

  155. Republicofscotland says:

    Well if Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative Leader of the House, (The Tories have a huge majority) recent words on devolution are anything to go by, as soon as they’re done with the Brexit fiasco, their eye of Sauron will turn North to Scotland and devolution, or to be more precise the rolling back of devolution.

    Rees-Mogg called devolution an act of vandalism, so we have a fair idea of what to expect post the 31st of December, and the God awful Brexit Festival.

  156. Dr Jim says:

    Kate Forbes voices the new SNP PPB, lovely speaking voice and clear as a bell

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