dead leg’s union units

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hat The Conservatives have realised that Scotland has decided that its future is as an independent country, and secondly that they don’t have the foggiest idea what to do about it. Over the weekend The Times newspaper reported that the big idea is to set up a ‘union unit’ headed by the dead leg of politics, Michael Gove we shouldn’t be surprised since we already knew that the Tories were a bunch of units. What is surprising however is the gobsmacking cluelessness of people who can only succeed in their declared goal of preventing Scottish independence by dint of persuading Scotland that they are more capable, intelligent and clued up than anything that we could provide for ourselves, instead they are delivering a political Masterclass in the dictum that it is far better to keep your mouth shut and risk being thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it. Michael Gove may be the insensate dead leg of politics. but he’s still quite capable of putting his foot in his mouth every time he oozes about saving the union. that takes a very special and particular talent for tone deaf stupidity, and unfortunately for th Conservatives it’s the only way in which they are at all outstanding when Better Together told us the UK punched above its weight they were quite right, it’s just that they neglected to tell us that they meant punching itself in the gob. Dead leg Michael has convinced himself that support for independence is on the rise because – get this – the Scottish media does nothing but uncritically pump out ‘SNP propaganda, by which he presumably means that he once witnessed an occasion on BBC Scotland when they actually allowed an independence supporter to speak in a discussion about independence featuring the usual three Tories and Jackie Baillie. But since no one else can recall such a singular event, it may well be that Dead leg’s memory was distorted by some Bolivian Marching powder.

Anyway, risible as it is, DEad leg’s plan to save the precioussss Union with some red white and blue press releases, telling us that the Tories are stealing food from children for their own good, it does at least have the relative merit of not being as far out there in the realms of batshittery as the suggestion from Tim montgomery, the editor of Conservative Home that the best way to get Scotland tofall back in love with the UK would be to set up a ‘Conservative Ministry of social Justice in Glasgow to be headed by baroness don’t call me baroness Rape Clause, Ruth Davidson. apparently Tim was being serious with this idea and wasn’t trying out some of that right wing comedy that we’ve heard so much about of late. although right wing comedy is very much like The positive case for the Union., we keep hearing British nationalists talking about it, but we never actually see it. A Conservative Ministry of social justice is one of those dystopian Ministries that George Orwell would have had in mind if he had lived long enough to write a sequel to 1984. Yesh sure, being lectured to about social justice by an unelected and unaccountable politician who has defended the morally bankrupt rape clause and who represents a party which has just quite literally stolen food from the mouths of hungry children is guaranteed to make Scots who are attracted to the idea of independence sit up and think again, although all it is likely to make them think again is that the Conservatives are vile and nasty hypocrites and the only way that Scotland can make progress to social justice is to put ourselves beyond their grasping clutches for good. The thing is that The Conservatives know full well what they need to do to reverse the rise in support for independence, they need to abandon their extreme Brexit and cease their attacks on th Devolution settlement. But they’re not prepared to do that. There is no place for anything other than a neutered and quiescent Scotland in the Tory vision of Brexit Britain , and because they’re not prepared to budge fom that, they will continue to insult our intelligence by blaming the rise in support for independence on everything except their own selfish and self serving behaviour. These are not political giants here, they are greedy little men and women with no vision, no plan, and no clue. increasingly panicking as they see Scotland slip inexorably out of their grasp. they have made their choices, and now Scotland is making its own. Scotland is choosing a future without the Tories in it, and no number of dead leg’s union units is going to prevent that from happening.

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113 comments on “dead leg’s union units

  1. gavinochiltree says:

    If “Ruthie” is the answer, then the question must be one of those rigged referendum questions they want to foist on us.
    I thought Micky Gove already had a Union Unit set up?

    Maybe he lost that one in “Peterburgh or Fraserhead”!

  2. Dr Jim says:

    The phrase “Punching above your weight” a commonly used phrase by the Britishers to mean aren’t we an awfully wonderful bunch can also in Scotland mean *That burd is far too good for you mate, you’re punching above your weight there* which in Scotland’s case looks like it means Scotland is a bit too good for you Tory lot, why not try somewhere less challenging to rule like Ascension Island where the wildlife would match up to it’s Britisher rulers, crabs and sharks

  3. Welsh Sion says:

    Here you go:

    Nice to know they’re up to speed on Cymru, too.

    The London Economic

    ‘Pro-union’ unit set up to battle Scottish independence ‘to be headed by Michael Gove’

    October 26, 2020

    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/pro-union-unit-set-up-to-battle-scottish-independence-to-be-headed-by-michael-gove/26/10/

    A Whitehall source told the Times that the new media roles would be “more of an explaining role than an attack unit” – amid fears the SNP narrative is “uncontested”.

    The insider added: “It also means that ministers shouldn’t be shy of explaining themselves to the Scottish Parliament or the Welsh Assembly if they are asked.

    “We need to listen and engage more.”

    ____________

    If you were half-way listening and engaging with the Welsh electorate, then they’d know that the ‘Welsh Assembly’ became the ‘Welsh Parliament’ (or Senedd) as of 6 May 2020.

    Do pay attention at the back, Fortescue-Huffington, and stop pulling the snot out of your nose. You might actually learn something.

    • Legerwood says:

      “”The insider added: “It also means that ministers shouldn’t be shy of explaining themselves to the Scottish Parliament or the Welsh Assembly””

      Well that would mean the ministers in the UK Gov turning up to speak to the MSPs etc and they do not have a very good record of doing that when invited to do so by committees in the Scottish Parliament. I assume the same applies in the Senedd.

      Quite a sea change if they turn up now when invited.

    • yesindyref2 says:

      Well, actually, here’s one for you Welsh Sion from Jan 2012:

      https://newsnet.scot/news-analysis/wales-reclassified-as-a-country-not-a-principality/

      But it’s really for us, you still get the occasional Indy supporter who posts something like “The UK is 2 countries, a principality and a province, according to the UN”. Which of course isn’t true after 2011.

      Perhaps with WGD having to write 3 articles a week for the National, he could dedicate one to this issue, and indeed, that it is through ISO, and Leanne Wood writing to the ISO organisation, that Wales got so designated.

      Cos there’s another thing that ISO do, and that’s assign 2 letter codes to countries, or at least, they used to, don’t know if they still do. It has other purposes, but for many people it would be the ccTLD (Country Code Top Level Domain) that would be of interest. .de for Germany, .ie for Ireland, .uk for the UK (the UK also has the unused .gb ccTLD), no idea what it would be for the rUK though I guess they’d get to keep .uk with our permission (and for a price), but what would it be for Scotland – or Wales? .ab is going spare still I think, for Scotland.

      I wonder if WGD could get a guest post from Leanne Wood about how she got the ISO to reclassify Wales …

      • Welsh Sion says:

        Diolch yn fawr, yesindyref2.

        All good points – and I still maintain contact with Leanne having met her first at SNP Annual Conference in Aberdeen (photos and video to prove) and later when I invited her to speak at London SNP Branch.

        (If you trawl Newsnet deep enough you’ll also find a few articles of mine there, too!)

        And, you’re right of course. Part of our mission as Cymry is to not only learn good practice from the Scots but also educate those willing to learn more about us, too. How many times have I had to crush the falsehoods that you can’t be a Member of SNP AND Plaid Cymru? Or that membership of YES Cymru and YES Scotland are not mutually exclusive? Or that SNP is older than Plaid? Or indeed that Cymru is not a Principality? Nor that it is in union with England – since 1994?

        Diolch unwaith eto.

  4. Gregory Nunn says:

    Centuries of “pay no mind” to Scotland has left them bewildered.
    They are really that detached, unconcerned, uncaring.
    They don’t give it a thought because they are void of thoughts.
    So extremely detached from the reality we call life, that they piss on the EU, then ask them to help sort out this Scotland place they keep hearing noises about. And see no conflict in that.
    By the way, the typos and things we see?
    Seasoning and spice, character and determination!
    If you can endure and keep flogging the dopey basterts, and still have a dose of humour to share, well then, high marks indeed.
    Thank you for doing what you do so well!

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  6. Bob Lamont says:

    Indeed well said, the SNP supporting Scottish media almost creased me up when I first read it, my immediate thought being what planet and illicit substance are these people on…
    Last few weeks have increasingly cried out about rescuing innocent Scots from those nasty “separatists”, fine for an England audience who have heard little else of the subsidy junkies, but what for Scots ? Send the goon squad in with snatch vans ?
    After years of constant yet failed propaganda, “Better Together fell flat on it’s face with EVEL on day one and every day since has rubbed it in.
    There is a day of reckoning coming and there’s nothing they can do but fart in the wind….

  7. I havent posted a get well soon yet and I apologise for that so I wish you a speedy recovery. Keep up the good work highlighting just how much these Tory people really have lost the plot. I know you wanted us to stay on topic so I won’t slide into a rant about the SNP getting the finger out but we really need to start ramping up. We need away from these heartless, soulless and ruthless lot, pronto

  8. Marybel Tracey says:

    I love you to bits. The fight and verve from you is amazing. Despite it all the cause still matters. I wish others had similar dedication and honesty. But I see Scotland from your viewpoint and that makes reading you such a pleasure. I am finding now the Scottish humour coming out in the new tier system and I think “I wish I was a born and bred Scot”. It’s aw braw, Crivens ,help me boab and Get Ben the house where else would you hear this but Scotland ? An ability to laugh and not take yourself seriously but at the same time knowing what it really means to be a good citizen. I hope you continue to improve and the care and support you are given strengthens you each day. But take care too rest is part of the healing process.

  9. Alex Clark says:

    Quote from the Times report.

    Whitehall sources say Gove believes robust action is needed to educate the Scottish electorate about the economic advantages of staying in the UK.

    There are also discussions about how to create an anti-independence group outside the government. It would use social media and traditional platforms to try to combat demands for a second independence referendum.

    https://archive.vn/GLSMy

    They really don’t get Scotland at all, do they?

    • stewartb says:

      ‘an anti-independence group outside the government’?

      Scotland in Union
      These Islands
      The Orange Order
      Scottish Business UK
      the Tory Party in Opposition in Scotland
      Scottish branch of the Liberal Democratic Party
      Scottish leadership of the Labour Party
      – all these same parties in England
      most of the Scottish press corp
      – almost all of England’s press corp
      the institution known as BBC Scotland.

      I’m sure there are more groups!

      So, ‘an anti-independence group outside the government’ – is not yet enough?

      • Golfnut says:

        Not to mention 77 Brigade, MI5, Special Branch, Facebook, Twitter, WIKI, the union Parliament, MOD, HMG Treasury, Civil service, Foreign Office, Home Office, Dark money, the Establishment, Cambridge Analytics and associates, HOL and they are still losing..

  10. Sheryl Hepworth says:

    Oh that is brilliant Paul!! Nail,hit, head. These supposed parliamentarians really need to read your incisive blogs and they might then have some idea of how they are viewed by Scots.

  11. Bill Hume says:

    “These are not political giants here”
    I was a trade union representative for many a weary year and the one thing I remember more than any other was that the management I spent so long negtiating with, was intellectualy rather poor.
    Much like the Tory party.

    • andyfromdunning says:

      Bill back in the day when I used to work, retired now, I also found that many managers were intellectually lacking as well as unsure of good practice in business and team building. I was one of them and spent many a frustrated day at work in various parts of the U.K.

      This deficit exists obviously in the general population as I am sure you know while trying to discuss indy issues.

  12. andyfromdunning says:

    I believe that they do not give a toss about us as a people. This is my take on why they are trying to thwart us.
    1. The UK will lose status, their seat on the UN Security Council and where to put the nukes.
    2. Our wealth and strategic position in NATO.
    3. Fear that they will be in history as the PM that lost and broke the Union.

    Like Paul has stated many time’s their actions are burying themselves in poo.

  13. Millsy says:

    So the Scottish media is , it appears , no more than a mouthpiece for the SNP according to Michael Gove .
    I must remember that if I ever again watch BBC Disparaging Scotland news as they brainwash us with their SNP propaganda or listen to Call Kaye ( call her a unionist t*at ! ) as she endlessly makes the case for independence .

    If this is the level of intelligence we face come from the unionist leaders in the battle for Scotland’s heart and soul – it’s in the bag !

  14. Tam the Bam says:

    Hope you are well on the way to a ‘guid mend’ Paul.
    In other news…..I’m getting the distinct impression another blog (no names….no pack drill as my Dad used to say)…is beginning to implode.
    I feel no gratification nor take any pleasure from that fact since the individual concerned was hugely influential in the dissemination of MSM publications pre &post Indy.
    Its not something I will celebrate.

  15. Macart says:

    He apparently believes that trashing the essenpee will crush the YES movement.

    He’s not really paying attention to Scottish politics is he?

    The YES movement is a great deal larger and more diverse in their political affiliations than the current party of government in Scotland. If they disappeared from the political landscape tomorrow, there’d be another centrist pro indy party by tea time. All that would happen is a further delay to inevitable self government and independence.

    A lot of people simply see the SNP as a party of convenience. Their natural day to day vote and inclinations lying elsewhere. They know what to expect from pro union parties and their practice of politics. They’ve witnessed the venality, the shameful and historic international behaviour, the callous and insulting self entitlement. The intimidation, brow beatng and misrepresentation. They’re pretty much tired of it now. Tired of being angry, frustrated and fearful. Tired of being treated as second class citizens. Second class human beings constantly having their vote abused and their opinion disregarded. Of having their emotions yanked from pillar to post every five years and their vote used as an excuse to demonise and cause harm to folk they’ve never even heard of.

    Never again and not in my name is becoming something of a theme amongst such people. Worth a thought.

    Soooo. No. No, I don’t think many would welcome the chance to vote Tory or Labour about now. (See under NONE!)

    Mr Gove might want to bear that in mind.

  16. bringiton says:

    The Tories appear to have concluded that the problem with Scots is that they are too far away from them and need to get up close and personal so that we can see the benefits of England’s Tory governments.
    What they don’t seem to realise is that it is only that distance and a modicum of devolution that has kept the Union on a shoogly peg in our country.
    Going to get interesting.

  17. Alba woman says:

    A jewel of a piece Paul ….so good that your intellectual ability is unscathed. Rest up …good for the body and mind.

    I have this image of Michael Gove in an over large Pith helmet wearing horrible shorts doing nothing for very skinny legs ,holding a bag of baubles and a big stick. Must go and rest to ease my troubled mind.

  18. Ken2 says:

    Gove will be out on his ear. He just does not what to hear what a absolute mess and shambles the Tories are making. He will not be in Gov. The Tories into oblivion. The electorate will tell them and see them off. Now on 16%? in Scotland? Can they go any lower. Yes they can. Tory voters disappearing faster than a sieve loses water. Swept asunder. A freak wave of psycho bastards. There own description. They are proud of it. The total mess.

    Scotland will have it’s Independence. People just have to vote for it.

  19. Dr Jim says:

    Scotland isn’t anti English we’re anti stupid and you can be that no matter where you’re from

    They’re wheeling out the anti English thing again, Scottish National*ist* party and how nobody in Scotland should support anything with the evil bad word National in it,,,,,, except for eh National Rugby team or National football team or National health service, you get the idea, what’s wrong with that imaginative bullshit is it was the *British* who brought in National Service, they never stuck an *ist* on that, wonder why not

    So the *ist* only applies in Scotland and nowhere else in the entire world

  20. yesindyref2 says:

    “Conservative Ministry of social Justice in Glasgow”

    First reaction is they’d be better setting up a Ministry of Silly Walks”, but I’m guessing “Walks” would quickly turn into “Wan..”.

    Anyways, I like the top graphic in the article, a simple message. But it’s also for YES voting Leave voters in Scotland, who could ask themselves “Which is the more important to me?”. Soon in a way it won’t make any difference so they can go back to just being YES voters. And of course, Remainers can look and not feel directly threatened by the message.

    Something I found / find, is that rather than tell people stuff it’s often better to ask a question and let them find an answer, maybe with a bit of gentle prompting when asked for. But with that graphic, it actually allows people to ask themselves the question. A more subtle approach while at the same time, staring you in the face.

    That’s possibly all insightful, but it might be a load of waffle, even my jury’s out on that!

  21. Doug says:

    British nationalists like liar Johnson and Gove haven’t a clue about Scotland. Who do they go for advice? Britnats in the Scottish media. What do the Scottish britnats tell britnats in Westminster? The same old lies which are then regurgitated by britnats everywhere yet again. No wonder more and more people in Scotland see britnat Westminster for what it is: a cesspit of lies and duplicity.

  22. Dr Jim says:

    Sky news today talking about Nationalism and *Identity politics* and of course Scotland is dragged into the discussion because it’s only British Nationalism and British Identity politics that’s legitimate, Scottish identity is bad and shouldn’t exist, and all done in black history month which is about identity with no sense of irony about that whatsoever and no mention of it because it’s neither PC or sensible to mention that, never an eyelid is raised if a black person says they’re Afro Caribbean because to complain about those folks having an identity is deemed racist yet not if you happen to be Scottish Welsh or Irish and white, eh? isn’t that in itself creating racism by separating people by colour, why are the elitist British not insisting that those black folks aren’t entitled to their identity stemming from their own origins

    So if you’re white and Scottish or Welsh or Northern Irish you can’t have an identity because that’s separatist nationalism of the wrong sort, however you can have an identity if you’re white and English Scottish Welsh or Irish if it’s the identity they’ve imposed upon you which is the fictional British one that they created, everybody in the world’s identity stems from the country they were named after or born in, a Frenchman is from France, a German is from Germany and yet the English who invented Britishness for political reasons insist that a Scotsman Welshman Irishman is British and can’t have the identity of their origins, so it’s really kinda them that has the identity problem, they just don’t like it that we don’t

    In the typically Westminster imperialistic manner the elitist inbred born to rule politicians in England decide when a word or Nationality is good or bad and who that term should be applied to to suit their excuse for whichever argument they seek to prosecute

    Oh and be careful not to say the word English because apparently that automatically means you’re an anti, even the FM is careful to choose her words when referencing the country that shall remain nameless in case the politicians of the nameless country decide to become outraged by a Scottish person saying the word that must remain unspoken

    Talk about touchy, phew!

    • It may be argued that it is a waste of stomach juices to rail at the moon, to get our rocks off calling the Blue Meanies heartless fascist genocidal imperial bastards.
      When Dross came over al dewy eyed on QT the other night describing how he would return to Moray later that evening, look down on his 18 month old son Alistair and swear that he would fight to keep Scotland in his Tory Union for him and his future, he really meant it.
      He doesn’t give a fuck about the 320,000 Scots kids living and dying in his party’s deliberate policies to drive the country into Victorian penury.

      There are give or take 15% of Scots citizens who are dyed in the wool unshakeable free market True Believer Tories.

      They genuinely believe that the Undeserving poor would trade in food vouchers for drink drugs or tobacco.
      They genuinely believe, and I’m sure it is still preached from pulpits in kirks and chapels the length and breadth of Scotland, that the poor will always be with us, and that the Great Unwashed Oi Polloi Lumpen Proletariat have only themselves to blame by not studying, not working hard enough, having too many children, spending their money on booze fags Sky TV and drugs, and having no ‘aspirations’ to climb the greasy pole into the next tier in the hierarchy above them and join the lower rungs of the ‘haves’.

      They listen while their vicar or priest recounts the parable of the Talents, but busy themselves in their purse or wallet for change for the collection plate when the Sermon on the Mount
      is re-visited.

      Blessed are the poor in spirit,
      for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
      Blessed are those who mourn,
      for they will be comforted.
      Blessed are the meek,
      for they will inherit the Earth.
      Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
      for they will be filled.
      Blessed are the merciful,
      for they will be shown mercy.
      Blessed are the pure in heart,
      for they will see God.
      Blessed are the peacemakers,
      for they will be called children of God.
      ¹Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
      for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
      ¹Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
      Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

      It has always been a nonsense for the Established Churches to justify free market capitalism colonialism, and frankly, the constant suppression of the Many by the Few.

      It was the Tudor martyr John Bradford who is credited with:- ‘There but for the grace of God go I.’, as he watched a fellow martyr being burnt at the stake.

      Modern Blue Tories, and indeed Red Tories like Murray or Yellow Tories like Liar Carmichael, look down from their lofty towers on foodbank queues, on the 400,000 English children starving this week, and attribute this wretched obscenity to the whim of their particular God’s will, or a shrug of the London centric shoulders if you worship at the feet of his Nihilism Steven Fry.

      They are killing thousands of our citizens for money.

      The Blue Tories success in the Red Wall seats in Labour heartlands in December ’19 was down to the racist xenophobe Brexit rhetoric of the ERG and Johnson.
      Those same ‘working class# bigots are targeted by Tories with the extreme ‘crack dens food vouchers’ rubbish put out there off piste on twitter by oafish zealots at arms length from number 10.
      The ‘Identity’ politics is still the old chestnut, Them and Us, the Haves, the Have Nots, the Ruling Classes and the Ruled.

      Brexit is the next event Horizon. We cannot stand back and be sucked in to the Black Hole which will be Olde England, the 51st Sate of the US.

      It is a measure of success to Neo liberal Tories that 5 million of us have to beg for food, health care, a roof over our head, and will work for peanuts in glorified slavery out of fear.

      Priests, ministers, vicars, rabbis, Imans, humanists, quo vadis?

    • grizebard says:

      Yes, it’s funny that. Those of us who’ve been around long enough will remember a time (and not that long ago either) when the name of the-country-which-mustn’t-be-mentioned was used virtually exclusively by those south of the border to stand for the entire UK, which would enervate those of us on the periphery (as they would see it) who were thereby marginalised. Things changed thereafter, not least driven by a need to “mind one’s p’s and q’s” as a result of the growing sentiment here for enhanced autonomy, but the change, as it turned out, was only superficial. What we got instead was “England-as-UK”, where the underlying mentality is just the same and we’re still marginalised, it’s simply less explicit.

      The only thing that’s genuinely “British” is the flag, and what its proponents seemingly fail to realise (including you, Morrisons) is that here it’s being increasingly regarded as a symbol not of unity but of oppression. Because that is the fundamental reality of a system of governance of an overbearing unitary UK which, as far as Scotland is concerned, may be democratic in name but is anything but in practice.

      • Welsh Sion says:

        Re; THAT flag as a symbol of unity.

        You and grizebard, and most posters here would confirm that piece of cloth is in itself a complete fiction, anyway. My country is not represented on it, yet we are deemed to be part of the ‘family of nations’ that constitute it’s parts (‘cf ‘the awesome foursome’). Neither of course is Kernow represented.

        And as for the ‘cross of St Patrick (itself a fiction), how can that represent a mainly Protestant in the north of Ireland – which itself will soon have separate status vis-a-vis the EU compared to the rest of this Disunited Kingdumb?

        Me – I’m sticking to ourr Red Dragon and the flag of Owain Glyn Dŵr.

        • grizebard says:

          Yes indeed. Even as a symbol it is representationally defective! In the end though nobody gives a damn. Those of us like yourself possess our own well-founded flags, while the BritNats see it as an untouchable totem. (Feel eg. DRoss’ mental agony as to what would happen to the damn thing if Scotland were to break free! Easy-peasy, just mentally bleach-out the blue from it, Dougie. But to such people that’s an unthinkable desecration.)

          The thing apparently even has a “right way up”. Incredible. It would be fun to invert it as a calculated insult except nobody but a flag obsessive would actually notice!

  23. yesindyref2 says:

    Jim Wallace appointed Moderator of the Church of Scotland? I can only think of a handful of people more divisive than him in that supposedly realtively neutral position – Darling, Brown, MacDougall, Cameron, Johnson. Bobbin Jack.

    Jim Wallace was part of the Conservative LibDem Coalition that killed off the LibDem party, but it’s even worse than that. He was the UK Government’s bought and paid for hatchet job Scotsman in Westminster, he was the Advocate General (for) Scotland, whose job was to put us in our place.

    And so it was that this guy who used to be a respectable sort of person in the early days of devolution, stood out in Glasgow in front of the cameras on 20th Jan 2012 with a big laugh on his face, to say that Salmond couldn’t hold a referendum without going down on bended knee to Cameron.

    https://newsnet.scot/archive/salmond-warns-wallace-dont-tell-scottish-people-what-they-can-do/

    In spite of our own Lord Advocate saying he could, and which prompted a paper then from Gavin Anderson et al on the 31st Jan 2012, to give the opinion that we could do our own one – very relevant to today’s stramash over the S30.

    https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2012/01/31/gavin-anderson-et-al-the-independence-referendum-legality-and-the-contested-constitution-widening-the-debate/

    This guy Wallace, a modern day disgrace to the name, was bought by Westminster’s gold – and he’a a fit moderator for the Church of Scotland?

    I don’t think so. But this isn’t 1706/7 when Scotland can be bought and sold by a few barons.

    • See my post above, Indyref2.

    • Alex Clark says:

      The Newsnet article was a good read, the last sentence is as relevant today as it was then.

      “Many observers have already pointed out that the real power of the ballot is not in its ability to legally bind either London or Edinburgh, it is its potential to become an unstoppable political force.”

    • yesindyref2 says:

      I don’t understand it. Either those who elected or appointed him are as thick as two short planks and twice as ignorant of his political history, or they’re openly hostile to the “settled will” of 58% of Scotland – and rising.

      Very disappointing considering their previous active part in getting Devolution.

      • It goes deeper than that, Indyref2.
        I am a member of no church but was raised in one of the Christian traditions; which one is irrelevant here because they lost ne at Jonah in the whale and Eve made out of a spare rib of Adam.
        But when Martin Luther attacked the papacy and pinned his famous condemnation of indulgences
        to the church door in Wittenberg, and John Knox was stirring it up with our very own
        Scottish Reformation, surely even John Calvin, John Wesley, and the legion of Reformers are spinning in their graves that the new Moderator is an ermine clad English ‘Lord’?

        Has the kirk come out on the side of unionism and food banks?

        • wullie says:

          I thought that the COS came out on the side of unionism circa 1707. They, I believe are the only church on the planet that dumped its entire flock for its own selfish ends in 1707. A typical Scottish institution, nothing has changed

        • yesindyref2 says:

          It’ll be interesting to see if Wallace can behave himself as moderator, and stay away from unionism.

  24. Hamish100 says:

    Had a U.K. covid test as part of a survey run by Oxford University.

    I could not be Scottish. Only white British, black British etcetera. I could be Irish, French, Australian, Danish even Maltese

  25. Welsh Sion says:

    I think FM Drakeford can see the writing on the wall. In any case, if not voted out in May 2021, he’s said he will retire not soon after – which will lead to a bun fight in ‘Welsh’ Labour and a vacancy for First Minister (unless Adam gets there first.)

    More popcorn, please.

    https://nation.cymru/news/first-minister-radical-reform-of-the-uk-needed-to-stop-westminster-centralising-power/

    First Minister: ‘Radical reform of the UK’ needed to stop Westminster ‘centralising power

    27th October 2020

    Wales’ First Minister has called for a “radical reform of the UK” in response to what he sees as the UK Government “centralising power” and “undermining devolution”.

    Mark Drakeford said that the UK should be made “authentically a voluntary association of nations where sovereignty is held by each nation and then pooled for common purposes”.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      For all Mark Drakeford’s long precious held principles on Labour and the Union, he’ll be acutely aware of the decline in democracy and living standards for the many under both red and blue governments over the decades, and I’ve very little doubt he’ll be voting PC after retirement.
      When the Labour Party thinks WM thrust and parry matter matters a damn, they’re already assimilated into the London bubble, a spent force, a new birth is inevitable because that’s what created Labour….
      Labour and Tory think they have control, they don’t…

  26. Ken2 says:

    The Churches are losing practising members. 32% in Scotland identify as Protestant/Church of Scotland. Even less regular Church goers. Elderly women. Women outlive men by five years, worldwide.

    Religion can be used as a form of state control. Royal head of the Church. The Masonics. Bigoted, racist, misogynist and unequal. Blackballing people. Out of order. The Christian Faith. Illegal wars. Supported by the Royal Head of the Church. Out of order.

    Many Church members do support Independence and oppose illegal wars. 50/50? or more. Young people definitely.

  27. Golfnut says:

    Story in today’s Herald. The so called ‘ smoking e-mail ‘ which proves the SG ( Nicola ) was up to her oxters in the conspiracy to get Salmond.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1081934212006008/permalink/1448539212012171/

    It’s not a link to the Herald just FB.
    If this is the empirical proof that the FM was involved its not so much a smoking gun more a damp squib. We’ve known about this e-mail for months, it came from Evans, not the FM. It’s been in the public domain for at least a year.

    • Hamish100 says:

      Some people elsewhere have already stated the fm is guilty of something. Don’t need a trial or any enquiry.
      A text message between a & b = NS Guilty as charged. They do not do irony.

      • Dr Jim says:

        They built themselves a molehill then set about gathering the slaves to build a mountain out of it
        Looks like they’ve run out of straw to make the bricks though, I doubt it will stop them, how much did the FM blink today apparently if her eyes move that’s a dead giveaway as well as looking right or left or up or down or straight ahead

  28. Dr Jim says:

    The Baroness of baloney bleats about Christmas in Holyrood today in the most ridiculous terms I’ve ever heard as she attempts to describe the missing out of the normality on one day in the year as a national disaster
    Ruth Davidson must live in an American movie or she watches too many of them if she thinks that Bing Crosby Danny Kaye or the Beverly sisters not coming round our houses on Christmas day to *let’s do the show right here* in a full technicolour widescreen golden turkey fun filled extravaganza of jollity and Figgy puddingness will depress the nation of Scotland to such a degree that we’ll never recover, so much so the suicide rates could go up because of it

    People in Scotland thank God are just not that stupid to fall for any of this blowhard woman’s Ermine cloaked faux concern for their welfare and mental health, they pretty much understand that the virus isn’t going to come to Parliament and discuss an amnesty for the day and agree not to kill or infect anybody until after Boxing day

    Rudyard Lapwing’s turn came round and he wanted to know which pubs had infected people and demanded the evidence as to why some closed and not others if they weren’t the infectors, Ripley Loneman should really get a job alongside DRoss in the dairy cow business because he certainly does speak the language of what comes out of the back of them

    Willie Rennie is such a disingenuous sniveling little Scrooge McDuck of a twisted individual, how anybody can bring themselves to vote for this *person* is deeply beyond my understanding

    Oh and Neil Findlay pleaded with the FM again in one of his usual pathetic attempts at doing nasty politics

    • I watched it, Dr Jim.
      They want televised endless pointless debates because it gets them on the telly, and a higher profile. I’d imagine that many of their ‘constituents’ area sking what the hell they do every day to pocket £1200 a week?
      Leonard is a babbling idiot, Davidson of Rape Clause wants my family to have an amnesty from Covid at Christmas and come visit this 73 year old and give me a big Covid Free hug, and Rennie rambled on like a man in the early stages of dotage.
      The Green Lass and others want an ‘exit strategy’, whatever that nonsense is.
      So, they jawed about noting for several hours while more of their ‘constituents’ got the plague, filled our hospitals to breaking point, or, fucking died.
      They really are a pointless waste of oxygen.

      • andyfromdunning says:

        They are all thick self serving twats not one bit interested in what wee the Scottish people want. They are all unionist brown noses. Shame on them.

    • Legerwood says:

      A lot of people seem to have forgotten, or don’t know, that Christmas Day was not a holiday in Scotland until 1958 and Boxing Day only became a holiday in the 1970s.

      At the moment with the current restrictions I am not able to see my son. I would dearly love to see him at Christmas but only if the case numbers are back down to low levels.

      • Bob Lamont says:

        I was a little immature to recognise that at the time, only at an immature 66 does this come as a surprise..
        Your own plight echoes thousands of others, that’s why the media/political pile-in on Leitch trying to dampen down expectations I found so infuriating.. There are people who have not seen or embraced family in over 6 months, but political point scoring over christmas is so much more important, good-schill to all men etc…
        This will be far removed from any previous christmas before thanks to this virus, all we can do is protect each other and look forward to better times and be thankful we are no longer completely reliant on the postal service…

  29. Eilidh says:

    I have been a member of the Church of Scotland for over 40 years. I have just read that Jim Wallace is the moderate designate for the church.I am utterly horrified to hear that. To elect a unionist better together supporting former politician Lord is sheer stupidity and will alienate a significant part of the membership including me. In all the years I have been a member the role has always been undertaken by a serving church minister. He is an elder a lay member and as far as I am concerned totally unsuitable for the role. The church is on its knees financially and losing members at a huge rate. Electing him will just alienate a large amount of the people of Scotland and will only make things worse for the church as it clearly shows it does not understand the modern Scotland at all

    • The gospel according to an unelected Lib Dem Lord. Eilidh?
      This is clearly a ‘political’ appointment.

    • Legerwood says:

      Eilidh,
      I share your dismay about the appointment of Jim Wallace – and I am not a member of the Church of Scotland. However, it is not always the case that the Moderator is a serving minister.

      Two examples:

      In 1567 George Buchanan, a layman and pre-eminent academic, was Moderator. He was a towering figure in many aspects of Scottish life. In 2004 the first woman to be Moderator was Dr Allison Elliot, a senior elder and academic theologian – she falls within your 40 year membership.

      By comparison Jim Wallace is a lightweight who does not bring any substantial or significant contribution to religious issues or processes.

      • Eilidh says:

        I am not quite old enough to remember 1567 😉 so didn’t know about that one and forgot about the theologian who was also a senior elder. Electing her made sense I know many good church elders who would fulfil that role as moderator much better than Jim Wallace. The moderator is elected by the General Assembly of the church which compromises ministers elders and deacons and of course the Assembly would have taken place digitally this year due to Covid. As far I am concerned electing a Lord of his political leaning is one of the most stupid things the church has ever done.

        • Legerwood says:

          I agree. I cannot understand why they ever thought it was a good idea. I think it is a committee of 15 who make the selection then the General Assembly rubber stamps it. It really would be something if they did not do so.

          PS Thought 1567 might have been before your time.

    • Golfnut says:

      The church is so establishment, a former bastion and supporter of Scottish Independence, now entrenched in unionism, or maybe not. Is that why Wallace has been selected for this post, they fear losing the church, losing its influence over congregations which statistically might now be more inclined to favour independence. We will know soon enough if Wallace’s profile is raised by the media. Is he part of Gove’s little cabal.

      • Hamish100 says:

        The Church of Scotland is conservative unionist and is dying. Look at its age profile. I speak as a church elder who is detested by the Tory Session Clerk. I know it’s all about love!

        The selection of the moderator ( not all bad) over the years is more about who knows who etc in George Street. I must admit I thought most Lib Dem’s were episcopalian. They like the flannels!

        I wonder what Jesus would think of a guy dressed up in ermine and who supported austerity which attacked the poor, the weak and the infirm most?

    • Correct .
      I have just ended my monthly direct debit to them which I’ve paid for over twenty years initially to help replace the roof of our local church but after that was done I just kept on paying but that’s it the last straw, Church of Scotland have made themselves a political group by giving him this position.
      Disgraceful

  30. Alba woman says:

    Congrats to Paul on walking with a stick today. Very good news Paul ….getting there big time!

  31. Skintybroko says:

    So it appears level 3 covidiots will be looking out the hip flasks so they can buy their mixers in the pub – how on earth are the public and supposed to manage that!

  32. Skintybroko says:

    Publicans – predictive text typo

  33. Ken2 says:

    They make money from the meals. Not from the drinks. The one that follow the guidelines will be ok. Booked out the door.

    The one’s who do not follow the guidelines and spread the virus will be shut down. Like they should be. Follow the rules keep safe. Test, track and trace. Keeps people safe. Alive and well.

    What is more important to people a drink, a meal, a trip away or people dying. People want to take care of their grannies and grandpa. They are more important to them.

  34. Ken2 says:

    Marcus Rushford has got universal credit increased by £20 a week. The Tories had cut it £100 a month. Not bad for a footballer. Scoring a goal against the Tories.

    1,000,000 people+ have signed a petition against the Tories starving children. Another campaign to reducing subsidised Westminster fine dining. The Tories caught off side and in the net. Out of play. Rats in a sack. Support going down.

    Another own goal. Johnson not long to go. The Brexit shambles unfolding will get rid of most them.

    The new moderator of the Church of Scotland will lose even more members. Some people never learn. Not very Christian or cohesive.

  35. Dr Jim says:

    Police Scotland had over 3000 call outs to attend house parties over the weekend with 450 parties having to be broken up resulting in fines being issued and a few arrests, even if there were only a dozen or so people attending these events that’s probably in excess of 5000 people deliberately and willfully breaking the restrictions and knowingly possibly spreading the virus causing the imposition of further restrictions being imposed on the areas these folk are having these parties

    It makes you wonder what the motives are of the people engaging in this behaviour, are they Covid deniers so don’t believe they can catch it, are they political opponents of the SNP Scottish government so want to spread the virus so that Scotland just looks bad for the sake of it, are they just a bunch of alcoholics who can’t manage to do without alcohol, are they just brainless arseholes unaware of the ramifications of what they do or could they be people who don’t give a damn about the rest of humanity and feel that no rule or law applies to them, one thing seems sure, a fine isn’t deterring them therefore the fine must be too small for them to worry about paying before they do it

    The Police being called out this many times costs the rest of us money and takes the Police away from what they might normally need to be available for plus putting the officers attending at risk of contracting Covid as well, so when you think about it there’s not really a big enough fine can be imposed on these people to compensate for the possible long term damage and disruption they’re causing to the rest of us and I kinda guess these will be the very same people who will create merry hell if they can’t have their Merry Christmas drink up because it was them who helped to create the
    continuing imposition of restrictions by their own actions

    I’d never make it as a politician, I think I’d be imposing something much more painful than a fine on these few thousand selfish Bastirts who’ve decided for one reason or another to drag the 5 and half million rest of us and our country down by making sure the virus spreads and we all suffer

    • diabloandco says:

      Agree , I am a bit barbaric myself and would consider meting out a painful, physical punishment.

      I was kinda hoping that Scots were a tad more sensible.

  36. Welsh Sion says:

    News from home and advice to Scotland: Beware of bots.

    https://nation.cymru/opinion/the-wave-of-bots-invading-welsh-politics-are-a-sure-sign-that-the-far-right-are-coming-for-devolution/

    The wave of bots invading Welsh politics are a sure sign that the far-right are coming for devolution

    27th October 2020

    This weekend saw Welsh Twitter explode with outrage following the Welsh Government’s policy not to allow non-essential shopping in supermarkets during the ‘fire break’ lockdown, designed to help tackle the exponential rise in Coronavirus cases and ultimately save lives.

    • Dr Jim says:

      Any sign of cohesion and or co-operation amongst the people of Wales will be a target to be broken down, Scotland’s had these kind of attacks for years, for Westminster to keep control of a country they must disrupt and fracture the confidence of the people in it

    • Alex Clark says:

      I must admit that when I read that “non essential” items were not to be allowed to be sold in supermarkets I thought it was a blunder by Drakeford. It was certain to be seized on by his opponents and used against both him and the imposition of restrictions as having gone too far.

      The reasoning behind the decision sounds reasonable enough, that it was intended to protect local shops that had to shut because they sold only those types of goods and not food. I suspect though that it wouldn’t have made much difference as if you needed a kettle you wouldn’t wait on the kettle shop rep[ening you would simply buy it on Amazon.

      So a bit of an own goal I think, same as yesterday when Nicola Sturgeon was outlining some of the changes to the new framework, one of them was to extend the curfew time from 22:00 to 22:30, honestly what is the point of that? How much of an impact on the spread of the virus is this decision likely to have in either direction?

      I suspect that what to many look like strange decisions has an effect of casting doubt on the more important restrictions, this just how I feel about. Obviously, there are all these different groups lobbying for their side. The hospitality sector might have thought they won something with an extra half hour of sales in some circumstances, the independent retail sector in Wales might have thought they won something by stopping supermarkets selling kettles.

      All these groups are fighting to protect their own interests and not those of society in general, that is a mistake as we should all be working together with the same goal in mind. Fat chance and that’s why this virus will be impacting on our lives for a lot longer and more severely than it might need be.

      In the end though, we are going to have to learn how to cooperate in dealing with the virus. The sooner the better.

      • Arthur Thomson says:

        There’s always going to be blunders Alex because of the complexity of the situation. The fundamental problem, in my view, is the rat pack of politicians, “journalists”,crackpots and malcontents exploiting mistakes to create bedlam. Ordinary sensible people understand and make allowance for unintended consequences. I am confident that a great deal of the media fuelled “confusion” is really just white noise. The populace in general are taking sensible steps to minimise their risk and know who to listen to ie Nicola Sturgeon. I live in Bedford and the few contacts I have here are quite obviously staying abreast of what she is doing. I had to laugh yesterday when a golfing chum felt obliged to comment “Nicola Sturgeon would have to have 5 tiers!” To which I sang back ” anything you can do ……… “. All good humoured and it underlines the reality that it is the behaviour of the common people that is our best hope of minimising the impact of the pandemic.

        We can live with honest mistakes but we surely won’t if we are ever daft enough to be influenced by the Brit nits.

        Paul, I hope you are feeling a bit better and stronger each day. We are all thinking of you and wishing you well.

        • Welsh Sion says:

          I live in Bedford and the few contacts I have here are quite obviously staying abreast of what she is doing.

          ____________

          Waves from the down the road in rainy Dunstable. Hello, near-ish neighbour!.

          • Arthur Thomson says:

            Well it’s surely raining here now WS but my son lives in Dunstable and his climate often seems a bit different from here and Luton seems to have a different climate again.

            I’m glad you can confirm that our English cousins are benefiting from Nicola ‘s pearls of wisdom. Maybe too they can see the levels of scrutiny to which she is being held compared to the Brits.

        • Golfnut says:

          ‘ is the rat pack of politicians, journalists’

          Had the misfortune of seeing a small segment of the Philip Schoffield program this morning. My head was turned by some well Kent face with a plummy accent promoting a 48 hour amnesty ( whit) over Christmas on Covid restrictions. The other person being asked, no idea who she was, also thought this should happen, in fact she thought the UK gov would announce this and that it would somehow apply to the devolved area’s. Schoffields blonde sidekick referenced Wales, Scotland and NI as other territories #####. The fact that a Chief Constable somewhere had stated he would breakup Christmas dinners if there were over six people was treated with incredulity by Schoffield.
          Prof Robertson has a couple of good articles on the media’s culpability in the rising death toll, worth reading.

  37. Alex Clark says:

    I can’t stand listening to the politicising of this pandemic by so called journalists during their questioning of the FM. I’m not objecting to the questions themselves, no matter how difficult they might be, I object strongly to the manner in which they are put and the disdain they show if the answer is not to their liking.

    These rags will all go extinct, ordinary punters watching these displays will be disgusted. They deserve no respect whatsoever but they are welcome to my contempt.

    • grizebard says:

      I don’t recall ever being so angry today at this gang of 5th columnist presstitutes. They are desperately striving in the face of an independent report to deny its informed conclusions with the obvious objective to destroy the reputation of the FM. They are like a pack of wild dogs that have been denied a longed-for meal.

      • Alex Clark says:

        They expose themselves with their actions, that the questioning is political in nature and is of no benefit at all as a service to the public. Nicola Sturgeon handles everything they throw at her with dignity and will answer every question as best she can, even the utterly ridiculous ones of which there are many.

        She is making utter fools of the most obnoxious ones without even losing her rag. They are an embarrassment to their so called profession and have clearly sold out to Tory ideology.

        As per most decisions by Tory leader Johnson, their actions will backfire on them, everyone loves an underdog and the personal attacks on the FM and Scottish government are plain to see for all that are watching. I look forward to these blowhards being out of a job, they serve no useful purpose and should be volunteering at foodbanks to repent for their sins 🙂

        • grizebard says:

          I am so impressed by how NS managed to keep her cool today, despite it all. (Though I thought she came very close a couple of times.)

          One of the most cheapskate tricks was the fella who had a crafty ploy to dodge the report conclusions. (You surely heard it.) He spoke to a bereaved relative, sold her his line on the infections, got her dumbfounded reaction, then quoted that to the FM. No science needed, story built from thin air, job done (he thought). New depth plummeted.

          I think you’re right though. People are seeing the partisan clockwork operate now, and don’t like what they see.

    • Eilidh says:

      Did you hear the bit where the cross line happenned where some guy could clearly be heard saying ” You took a good swipe at her there mate” obviously the her referred to was the First Minister. Disgraceful!!! I wonder which journalists colleague or mate that was

  38. Dr Jim says:

    Not only is the FM too clever for them that she sees the crap coming, she’s honest so doesn’t have to resort to political ambiguity style strategies to cover anything up no matter how much effort the so called journalists put into trying to pin blame on her for smears they invent then ask for her apologies over

    That won’t stop the press and others either just making headlines up or publishing some information and deliberately leaving out the rest of the truths for their own ends, we see it on the Internet every day, publish some truth then make up the smear to fit the information they don’t print for those who want to disbelieve or are uninformed

    Fortunately none of the attempts at disinformation and smears by the various sources are cutting any ice with the general population, folk in Scotland have gotten much better at spotting the disingenuous and in the words of the FM the “serial misleaders” or in her own words again ………

    “I think I’ll just manage to soldier on”

  39. stop press, Michael Sheen just followed Yes Cymru on twitter, account holder having kittens. I followed yes Cymru when they had less than 300 followers, now 36k 🙂 small acorns eh?

  40. pretty thin gruel served up by “shallow throat” to the ever decreasing sycophantic disciples on WOVS 🙂

  41. Elmac says:

    Woke up this morning to find myself whistling an old Pete Seegers number – Where has all the Money Gone.

  42. Arthur Thomson says:

    It must be excruciating for Nicola, having to deal with the disingenuous crap day after day. She is most certainly made of remarkable stuff. Her honesty is undoubtedly her great strength but it must make her task even more painful. I hope my fellow Scots are increasingly seeing and understanding her value.

    As I write this the LBC news states that the independent report on care home infections confirms that people with positive tests were sent back to care homes in Scotland – that was their take on the report. Staggering. The Brits have no moral compass. Slugs have higher levels of morality.

    • Alex Clark says:

      Disgusting, but absolutely typical of the standards they uphold. Precisely ZERO.

    • grizebard says:

      Just imagine for one wierd alt-universe moment that Nicola had insisted on deciding every case of hospital release to a care home, besides doing all her other first-ministerly duties. The rabid jackals of the press would have been queuing up in droves to accuse her of excessive micromanagement and dastardly dictatorial rule. Which would have been true, of course, but that seems to be the actual underlying assumption that these fake news peddlers are currently trying to sell.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      The opening salvo today from Peter McMahon of the Alister Jack Broadcasting Corporation replicated in shorter form what Shona Haslam for Borders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrzLC52J9sQ&t misrepresented earlier on GMS, not an attempted stitch up at all, och no, pure coincidence, aye, that’ll be it…
      @Arthur Thomson, please note no independent inquiry or investigation has been initiated in Scotland, yet, the story LB are feeding on is from that bastion of truth and straight bananas, the Telegraph, after all what are “chums” for, what ?

  43. Capella says:

    BBC R4 also misrepresenting the findings of the recent report on Care Home deaths. They fail to report the main finding i.e that the main driver of CH deaths was the size of the care home. The transfer of people from hospital was not statistically relevant.

    Surely the public needs to know what is relevant and what isn’t. Care homes are private businesses with shareholders being paid dividends, resident numbers as high as possible to bring in fees and staff costs controlled to increase profit.

    None of these relevant factors are mentioned in the media. They are deliberately putting lives at risk for political gain.

  44. Capella says:

    George Monbiot exposes the appalling situation in the privatised “track and trace” system in England. Teenagers are employed by SERCO. on the minimum wage, to make decisions that only trained clinicians should be making.

    https://archive.fo/dN8dP

    • Thepnr says:

      Sheesh… it really is worse than I could have imagined.

    • Stephen McKenzie says:

      I read the article and its horrifying as regards the English Track and Trace procedures.

      I have no issue with the low paid call centre staff, they need the money and are doing what they are told otherwise they are out. But to use the call centre workers in place of experienced clinicians dispensing advice during a pandemic is just asking for terrible outcomes.

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