Dugcast fae the dughoose – with James Dornan MSP (again!)

In this week’s edition of the dugcast, I am delighted to be joined online by James Dornan MSP, back by popular demand.  James chats about his decision not to resign from Holyrood after all, and how a major factor in his decision was the knowledge that the next Scottish Parliament will be the independence parliament.  He talks about how the Scottish Govt and the SNP realise that they must deliver on a referendum, and his confidence that Scotland will vote yes.  We also chat about the new leadership of the Conservatives in Scotland, the problems in the Labour branch office, and a lot more besides.

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93 comments on “Dugcast fae the dughoose – with James Dornan MSP (again!)

  1. Dr Jim says:

    Good to hear James Dornan echo what we’ve been thinking, very positive

  2. Bob Lamont says:

    Another excellent dugcast, easy going, down to earth, pragmatic, good humour leaking across, the “Although Douglas had a massive opinion of himself, it wasn’t shared by anybody else in the chamber” a particularly memorable quote as the back door got soaked with what was until then an enjoyable beer….

  3. John Muir says:

    Nice pod. Really like these interviews frae the Dughoose.

    I kinda wish you’d continued at the point when Westminster’s Section 30 refusal came up, though, instead of the understandable pivot to the lighthearted tale of musical chairs in the Northern British Tories regional office. That very point is where all the heat is focussed in the current squabbles between us Yessers. You’ve laid out your own case nicely of late—that we can only cross that bridge when we actually come to it, and bring the majority of the Scottish people over with us—and it would have been good to hear it aloud, as well as James’s reaction.

    But overall a great listen. I liked the part on leading SNP people’s retirements and the future of the parties after Indy in particular. There’s so much change coming, if we don’t mess up, that the changing of the guard is just the start of it.

    • weegingerdug says:

      Sorry. When I’m doing the podcast I’m always very aware of the constraints on time so can’t always go into all the detail that some folk might want.

      • Bob Lamont says:

        I suspect you would not have gotten very far into detail anyway, with every ear of the media and politicos frantic for clues what comes next, James left it vague whether he knew or not.
        We’re a long way from 2014, it’s no longer Unionists in control of the political game in Scotland…

      • John Muir says:

        Hey, no need to be sorry, as I also appreciate the pace you bring to the show. Some of us could prop up a bar on this topic all night, but would anyone listen!

        Thing is, there’s only so much useful talking anyone can do about strategies still to come. It’s all still so painfully *hypothetical* until it happens. When the time comes, the new rules will become clear. It’s no about saying “okay then” to a sneering refusal from Westminster, should they choose to dare. We’ll be in a different place by then.

  4. I plan to live forever………..so far so good 🙂

    • Republicofscotland says:

      Sure Clerkin can be a wee bit radical at times but these charges especially the offensive banner one, is surely over the top. Clerkin should be congratulated for some of his past campaigns holding Sturgeon to account over the lack of funding for homeless folk and for confronting Henry Jackson Society member Jim Murphy in 2014 over his lies.

      Ex-FM Jack McConnell called Clerkin a racist, for holding that banner, McConnell sold out Scotland handing back over a billion pounds to Westminster, claiming he didn’t know where to spend it, and in return he received his Ermine knighthood.

      “The protester said he was protesting to stop people coming to Scotland during the English school holidays to prevent the spread of covid-19 from England into Scotland.”


    • weegingerdug says:

      And no doubt there will be people along very shortly who blame it on Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP.

      • Republicofscotland says:

        Maybe we should as Manni Singh that one eh?

        • Petra says:

          Trying to figure out what Nicola Sturgeon’s got to do with Manni Singh, RoS?

          • Republicofscotland says:


            It was SNP councillors at Glasgow City Council that pursued the prosecution of Manni Singh, not Police Scotland, they were okay with the start time.

            • weegingerdug says:

              No it wasn’t. It was a council officer and the police. Councillors are not involved in those kinds of decisions. And then he pissed off the judge. I know Manny personally. He’s a fully paid up member of the awkward squad. Sometimes that bites you in the bum.

              • Republicofscotland says:

                Craig Murray says he’s a personal friend of Manni and he attended said march, and Manni informed him (real time) as to what was happening.

                “It was the SNP group on Glasgow City Council who insisted that council officers report Manni Singh to the police and demand action against him. It was not an initiative by the Police, who had been quite happy with the demonstration.”


                • weegingerdug says:

                  Craig has been pursuing a vendetta against the SNP for quite a long time. My information comes from both Manny himself and from people close to the council. It didn’t happen that way.

                  What actually happened was that Manny really infuriated a council officer. SNP councillors felt that they could not intervene to prevent a prosecution because then they’d have been accused of showing favouritism to a yes march.

                  • Republicofscotland says:

                    I’d have thought that a march for Scottish independence that took three hours to pass any one spot, would’ve been remembered for all the right reasons. In the opinion of many and not just mine that hasn’t been the case’ is Manni to blame for that? not in my book he isn’t.

                    As for who knows Manni best, I shall leave that particular debate to one side.

                • william purves says:

                  Kremlin calling, Kremlin calling.

        • weegingerdug says:

          I think what happened to Manny was grossly excessive, but it’s got bugger all to do with the SNP either, and everything to do with pissing off council officers, the polis, and a judge respectively.

    • Julia Gibb says:

      Considering that the “we hate the SNP” clique made up most of the posts that is quite a drop in the balance. Quite a downward spiral coming up.

      A great loss that all the energy and skill is now directed against fellow Indy supporters.

  5. Republicofscotland says:

    “and everything to do with pissing off council officers, the polis, and a judge respectively”

    Oh come on now, you know fine well what the AUOB marches are all about, a little leeway could easily have been shown by GCC. Afterall we’re all aiming for the same goal of independence are we not?

    • weegingerdug says:

      Can you imagine the shitshow in the media if SNP councillors had shown political favouritism and intervened to prevent the prosecution of a yes march organiser?

      • Republicofscotland says:

        Changing the start time when tens of thousands of folk were already on their way, would’ve been a heartless thing to do, and it could’ve seriously damaged the desire for those who seek independence to turn up when needed again.

        It would be akin to going to the movies only to be told the film you want to see has already started because they moved the viewing time backward.

        • weegingerdug says:

          That all may very well be true. But it’s irrelevant to the fact that Manny’s arrest, prosecution, and conviction was not instigated and pushed for by the SNP no matter how much you might wish to believe otherwise.

          I’m not going to debate this with you further. We’re just going round in circles.

          • Hamish100 says:

            Manny Singh plead guilty if I remember correctly.

            He then refused to accept his punishment. Any court system would look dimly on this.

            All Singh and Clerkin manage ( and dare I say it a pretend Reverend) is to provide click bait for the Britnat press who run 95% of the news media.

            To get independence we have to be cleverer. Seems unfair but that they way life is.

    • grizebard says:

      Never mind the atual facts, just keep on finger-pointing and griping, eh? We certainly can’t confuse you with a ray of sunshine, can we?

      • Bob Lamont says:

        Well, that evolution was fast, from joy to grievance in less than an hour, it has to be Scotchland on a Friday night?
        7 posts extended just out of Sean Clerkin getting nicked for being an erse wi teeth, is this a sign of things to come and should I try listening to Leonard Cohen’s early stuff again with open razors at the ready ? FFS, popcorn gone, cold beer exhausted and clean out of daylight, it’s an effin conspiracy….

        • If someone did the same thing in England I don’t think they would have been arrested it’s likely you would not have even heard about it.

          I guess if you have lived in Scotland all of your life you have the tendency to try and do the right thing so that the Scottish independence cause can’t be criticised for its behaviour

          Is criticism deserved though ?
          I see you
          You think you are
          Doing the right thing

          Meanwhile the other side…..England….and it is England….you can shout about the britnat Scots all you want but they are few compared to the English avalanche against Scotland
          And they’ve been brainwashed all their lives
          And there fathers too
          And their fathers fathers
          The other side wage a propaganda war against Scotland full of lies and deceit every single day and it’s not only politicians
          Never do you see a charge brought
          Never is anyone arrested

          If you think that playing the squeaky clean Indy YESSER is going to get you what you want you will be disappointed

          Unfurling a banner telling people travelling up to Edinburgh airport from England to go back and fly from their own airports during a pandemic is not a crime
          Manchester was in lockdown so people there decided to fly from Edinburgh airport
          People in Scotland are not happy about that
          Someone put up a banner to say so and they get arrested

          Then you defend the arrest

          Get a life stop being a weakling

          I don’t know the man but he has a good point and should be supported
          Yet people supposedly on the same side call it racist what a sleekit response
          Judgement deficit
          You think you look good when you criticise Indy yessers you think you are doing the “right thing”
          You’re not
          In the real world you have to fight dirty with those who fight dirty
          Even the courts do that
          The media in Scotland do that …Well 99% of them
          Those actually on our side don’t

    • william purves says:

      I don’t think independence is YOUR aim.

  6. Capella says:

    I really enjoyed listening to that interview. Last week’s dugcast with Richard Murphy was also excellent. When there is so little worth listening to on the MSM it is a real pleasure to have these alt indy digital programmes.

    I don’t know Sean Clerkin but what I have seen of him online doesn’t inspire me with confidence in his political nous. But he nay be delighted to have been arrested. Street cred is not easily won.

    I don’t understand the row about start times for AUOB marches. The last one I can see advertises a start time of 11.30 am in Glasgow, which is only 30 mins later than the time I thought the Council requested.


    I had to leave home about 5 am to go to the first Glasgow march which must have started early too.

    So it seemed to me that Manny Singh was playing the martyr game by refusing an earlier start, then refusing to draw up route plan (?) then refusing the option of a 72 day curfew.

    • grizebard says:

      Well, if Manny was playing the martyr game, he certainly succeeded. It works both ways, surely? If you set out to aggravate council officials and the police anywhere with an SNP majority, you will certainly manage to embarrass the party whatever happens. Not too smart, picking fights with your friends.

      But then there’s been a lot of that goin’ around lately.

    • Don’t think it’s street cred that he’s fighting for
      He may not do it the way you would
      Does that make him wrong and you right ?

      I wouldn’t do what he did but I understand why he did it
      Do I think he should be arrested ? Of course not for heavens sake that’s a political arrest
      Nothing to do with crime

  7. Dr Jim says:

    The use of certain circumstances to add to the original complaint which has nothing to do with the first, these are Unionist tactics being used by those within the Independence movement who dislike the SNP and wish to replace the FM with a new shiny socialist version that doesn’t exist or the charge of not talking about what they want to talk about when they want to talk about it, in other words no different to the Daily Mail or the Express reporting half of the information without the other half and implying the rest, but please get rid of her anyway no matter what, and the result of that tactic? Unionists win, which is how it all got started in the first place, but a great deal of those who urge these tactics haven’t as yet cottoned on to the fact they’re the ones who are being used for political and personal grudges

    That’s now why Wee Ginger Dug is being frequented by more and more Independence supporters but unfortunately with increasing popularity comes the drawbacks, as to the law nobody controls what the law does except the lawyers and judges, the law exists to serve itself not the people and certainly not the First Minister

    American TV is to blame for folk thinking the law means or returns justice, it doesn’t, it supplies judgements to questions that the politician lawmakers create, that’s why laws are continually challenged and why lawyering is such a good never ending career

  8. Hamish100 says:

    Diverted onto snp council fault. Sorry.

    Enjoyed the dugcast. I wonder if the quieter SNP or even Green MSP’s / MP’s around would provide a greater insight as to what is there thinking.

    Can we provide a question or 2?

    20p each or a bottle of ginger!

    • John Muir says:

      Great idea Hamish!

      Here’s my own unsolicited guest suggestions for Paul: I’d love to hear the Greens’ Andy Wightman on land reform. He literally wrote the book on the subject (The Poor Had No Lawyers). He makes a powerful case that land ownership underlies inequality in Scotland just as fundamentally as land itself lies beneath our feet! Just get him started on the Duke of Buccleuch…

      Another excellent guest would be Lesley Riddoch. She’s got a great weekly pod of her own, and I’d love to hear the two of you together. Her view is deeply rooted in what independence has done for a century in the Nordic nations, with a keen eye on their much more local setup for government than our awkward London-drawn councils.

      James Dornan’s welcome back any time by me, of course. I liked his point about some of the Labour and even Tory politicians he knows being perfectly good people, besides their politics. Maybe he could suggest a reasonable voice from the other side to have on for a different kind of conversation? It’d make for intriguing listening, as I’m sure even a Yes blogger like Paul would give them a fairer hearing than our perfectly neutral BBC ever gives any one of us!

  9. Petra says:

    That was a great interview with James Dornan, Paul, and especially good to hear him being so upbeat about the forthcoming IndyRef2, being positive about Nicola Sturgeon as (a fabulous FM) leader and saying that what he’s seen and heard tells him that Nicola Sturgeon is extremely serious about this. It’s game on now or words to that effect. He also has a great sense of humour and comes across as being someone that you could have a great night out with (not that I’m trying to proposition him 😉). Full of interesting little snippets of information about BritNat politicians too, such as he reckons that DRoss the political failure probably failed his referee exam and of Alex Cole-Hamilton referring to Scotland as a fledgling Nation 🤬. You know that Nation that’s around 100 years older than the Nation south of the border. Marco Biaggi was mentioned during the conversation. What was that about?


    Sean Clerkin? As Capella says, ”what I have seen of him online doesn’t inspire me with confidence in his political nous.” And I’d imagine that his behaviour won’t inspire others to join us either and isn’t that what this is supposed to be all about?

  10. Republicofscotland says:

    British nationalist, Labour’s Ian Murray, considered defecting to the Lib/Dems last year. One wonders if he laundered his Union Jack suit, in anticipation of the media interest it would bring.


  11. Petra says:

    Manny Singh comes across to me as being another key Indyref activist who has a massive ego, is a megalomaniac and is basically in it for himself (birds of a feather and all of that). The people that he was involved with in AUOB don’t seem to rate him highly either. In fact, I watched an interview where some of his ex-colleagues made some extremely serious and damning accusations about him that had my hair stand on end and if what they said wasn’t true he would have done something about it. He’s also a self-confessed liar which his nearest and dearest may gloss over but when it comes to lying, online, to thousands of individuals preparing to join a (Edinburgh) march, well that is something else: absolutely beyond the pale, imo, sinister and dangerous.

    Manny Singh:- ..”Oh by the way police never backed us. Small white lie. The person who represented them tried his hardest to make us go to parliament… When we went this morning many things could have happened. You may ask why the white lie. Because if we said we will go and set up on land without permission many people would have started crying and backing HES… this could affect numbers what they have always wanted to do. They were never going to budge. So we made a decision we would not bend a knee… Sorry for the lie but it was for the greater good. Me, Gary, Neil did what we did. Someone had to lead… I come from a long line of fighters. My ancestors were at war since the 7th century against the Islamic invasions.”

    Jason Michael:- ”No way would I bring toddlers, small children, or even teenagers to an event where there was even the remotest chance of a police standoff. Not everyone even agrees that standing off against the police is the right course of action. People came and people brought their children and animals because they trusted a statement that was an out and out deliberate lie designed to achieve the goal of a very small group of organisers.”..

    Jason Michael:- ”We are better than this. We are not a mob. We are not thugs. We are hundreds of thousands of ordinary decent Scottish people struggling together for the independence of our country – for a better future. Better futures do not start with idiotic bampot behaviour and bully tactics, and they do not start with lies and deception.”

    And a BTL comment, ”Looking at this man’s Facebook page, he comes across as very angry, and spewing anti-English, anti-Muslim bile, as bad as anything Glasgow produces in its tired Proddy-vs-Tim eternal sectarian battle. I do not trust this man. At all.”..



    And this!


    • Petra…” comes across to me as being another key Indyref activist who has a massive ego, ”

      Really ?
      How did you get to that conclusion ?

      I think you are wrong

      He’s trying to fight for Scottish independence , like you , WOS , WGD , etc etc makes mistakes or sometimes does things that “ are not mistakes”
      but other people would have done it differently

      And it’s sick to see people on the Indy side being first in line to be holyer than though putting the boot in

      Nobody gets it right all the time
      Sometimes things can be done differently but that doesn’t mean you’ve done it wrong

      I think the BIG names in the Indy camp are trading on their future reputation too much
      Teachers pet isn’t smart ….it’s sleekit
      Remember who your friends are
      And yes ….you should support your friends when they do things that you might not have done or might have done differently
      How do you do that ? Well you concentrate on the good and finish with what could have been done better
      Too many of you are trigger happy putting the boot in and forgetting or not mentioning the good bits
      Look in the mirror what do you see , are you able to be critical of your own performance or just others

      • John Muir says:

        Trouble is, the people we need to win to our cause (and we are winning them right now!) are more likely to be disgusted by English phobic signs than feel righteous about it. Winning independence is not about preaching to the choir. You don’t get a bigger cross in the box for Yes because you’re dressed up as a Braveheart and brought your Claymore. You win by being better than those we’re up against. We win by keeping our heid.

      • Petra says:

        ”And yes ….you should support your friends.”

        I do support my friends Terence, but it just so happens that Manny Singh isn’t one of them. I don’t see him as being an asset to the independence movement either, rather he’s more of a real liability; one that could’ve put an end to the marches altogether. He’s already, on the back of his ”celebrity” given interviews to the BritNat newspapers such as the Daily Rag that has reported that, ”he left the organisation last year amid bitter infighting and has now made extraordinary claims about why he quit, saying he was also a victim of racism within the group.” If you had any idea of what’s been going on there you’d know that’s a lie too.

        As Jason Michael says, ”I keep returning to the fact that we are an independence movement, and for good reason. Independence is not simply a political goal. It is a state of mind. We cannot hope to free Scotland if we are slavishly devoted to hiding bad behaviour, covering up misdeeds, and protecting toxic people for the sake of independence. If, for the sake of independence, we are prepared to dispense with the principles of openness and accountability the freedom we gain can and will only be slavery by another name. I can assure you, we have nothing to lose by exposing the truth. In fact, a movement committed to transparency can only be the better, the stronger, for it.”

  12. Robert Graham says:

    Reasonable Interview , very noticeable you body swerved digging deeper into the bit of unsavoury conduct at James’s branch commendable in my opinion because if you had pushed a bit harder one of two results either James would open up or Clam up a clever decision getting it just right I believe .

    Misguided and distant leadership have caused this current Rift because there is definitely a lot of friction even between friends who have a common purpose.

    The SNP have to get closer to the Independence movement not to control but engage with it , the arms length stuff has to stop sometimes it’s as if the management are embarrassed by YES marching etc ,

    The bills going through just now that are causing consternation we all know what they are , Drop them right now both of them these bills just now are causing greater harm than they are worth , just park them for the time being,

    And a honest plea to the FMs office get your act together and bring the independence movement together energy is being wasted in all this bickering

  13. Alex Clark says:

    James Dornan on Labour in Scotland.

    “They seem to think that this is all a dream and they’re gonna wake up in the shower.

    Class 🙂 thanks for that James. One of the good guys and someone I’ve always respected. I’m glad ypu have decided to remain James, I want people exactly like you in parliament. I tip my hat.

  14. yesindyref2 says:

    Umm, with the change of focus somewhere else, it leaves a gap in the Indy coverage.

    There used to be a very active and keen person who totally dissected the unionist media. So if for instance, the Morning Unionist said: “Sturgeon says independence is only a stupid fool’s game”, this person would look up the quote from Sturgeon which (this is made up) actually said: “Only a fool would say that Independence is a stupid game”.

    Well, with that resource having sadly disappeaered into its own woodwork, we all now need to be careful what and who (whom!) we quote – and to keep our beady beadity e’e on what others are saying she said when she said no such thing.

    I think I understood myself there …

  15. Dr Jim says:

    So the rumour now over the Jackpot Clamshell hatchet in the head job turns out to be not Boris Johnsons idea at all but Ruth Davidson herself appears to have come up with this deception and the participation of DRoss in the deal was the smokescreen for her return and her price was the ermine coat for the soon to be Baroness for services rendered in wielding the hatchet on Carplant

    You’d have to say if Davidson had put her super power of deviousness to work for the good of Scotland and not against it she might have redeemed herself as a human being, ach but being a Baroness is way better I suppose and F Scotland

    And still no lightening comes oot the sky to batter folk like her on the napper, it fair rips yer knittin

  16. Willie says:

    You can try and spin it anyway you want Police Scotland and the Crown Prosecution are now an instrument of political physical force in Scotland.

    The dawn raid on Friday morning by Police Scotland and the arrest of 59 year old Sean Clerkin at his Barrhead home for the crime of breaching the peace and local by law infringement for displaying a banner at Edinburgh Airport on the 20th of August 2020 declaring “ England Get Out of Scotland.” Is testimony to that.

    The gloves are now and well and truly off. And meanwhile it seems there were further arrests and Police intervention against demonstrators who attempted to protest outside Barlinnie Prison where Manny Singh is incarcerated for organising the last big 100k AOUB march is Glasgow.

    With all of this coming on top of the arrest and trial of Alex Salmond, the arrest and trial of Craig Murray, the arrest of Mark Hirst, the police interrogation of one of Aberdeen AUOB organisers no one should be under any doubt that Police Scotland is now an instrument of political physical force, and the Crown Office their their back up.

    All of our citizens who covet democracy and a rule of law should all be very afraid of the dark forces now in play.

    • Hamish100 says:

      Wuillie. It’s you that is spinning.

      Do you agree he was guilty of the charges brought?

      Yes is the correct response.

      If I drive with baldy tyres in my car, I tell the authorities and my passengers that I have new tyres then say after driving that I was telling a “white lie” I think my passengers would feel aggrieved and the Police would book me.

      No conspiracy. Stupidity.

      • Willie says:

        Hamish, I read your comments, but it is not just me who has concerns about the political nature of Police Scotland and the COPFS.

        The political arrests are piling up and there is a very sinister trend far beyond mere coincidence. That a regular blogger to this forum has just responded by stating that the prosecutions, are in his view, the result of the political leanings of those at the top of Police Scotland and the COPFS, this reinforces the fact that ordinary people realise that these organisations are acting with bias.

        State police acting on behalf of the leanings of the 1930s German leadership views were deeply damaging and then some. We therefore need to fear these developments.

        Quite who is instructing our police and prosecutors to act in the way that they are is therefore a very big question. It is clearly coordinated. That is without any doubt. Moreover in acting as a blunt instrument of physical force against political opponents they undermine utterly the rule of law and the basic fairness that a democracy owes to its citizens.

        Nicola Sturgeon should therefore, if she is a democrat at all, be very concerned about these developments. We all should.

        • Hamish100 says:

          Willie 1930’ s germany.?

          You didn’t answer my question over the fact he accepted he was guilty of an offence.

          By suggesting conspiracy theories everywhere do you not agree that if it does occur people will “cry wolf”. The fact there are some who share your views does not mean your view is accurate.

          It’s the police, it’s the FM, it’s the Mr Murrell, it is everybody

          I don’t know the guy manny but he did bring this on himself.

          Usually the most simplest answer is the most accurate.

    • Eilidh says:

      Willie I used to work as an Admin worker in Barlinnie Prison. I think if police were called re the protesters it would have been far more likely to be the prison authorities that called them as anyone hanging around there without a reason to be there is seen as a security threat. I think they have enough problems with people trying to chuck drugs over the walls as it is so protesters are not welcome
      I have never met Sean Clerkin but through work and other places I have heard and read lots about him and my opinion and I am entitled to my opinion is he is a bit of an erse and not helpful to Indy movement at all

  17. Willie says:

    And dare we say it Nicola Sturgeon is part of same dark cloud that descends on our country.

    Her part or otherwise in the Salmond affair remains hidden from sight as her government refuses to disclose documentation to Parliament. And it is the same dark cloud that causes her government to restrict data release by the public authorities into the levels of infection and test results.

    Her daily COVID floor show may be superficially popular but what kind of government that suppresses data to the public – and data going forward that is made publicly available, authority by authority area and contrasted to overall averages in England.

    Or an NEC that votes in secret or a party where the Chief Executive is the husband of the First Minister. But maybe this is the modern way. It certainly was the way in certain European countries in the middle of the last century.

    As a very long time supporter of independence and SNP member I truly fear the way we are going. These are dark times and they are getting darker.

    • Hamish100 says:

      The dark cloud blogs can be found elsewhere.

      Most of us here wish to prepare for next years election and likely referendum whether you are a SNP member or not.

      Independence comes first for us. The FM has to deal with CoVID or should she walk away like Johnson. She is more than “ superficially popular” to the public.

      I am sure Is she ignored CoVID MSM and others would have a field day and you will still want the FM to go. At least be honest about it.

    • Eilidh says:

      Nicola Sturgeon and her government have released far more data as regards Covid than the Uk govt but don’t let that get in the way of what you write. You clearly have an agenda and I don’t think Scottish Independence is at the top of it

    • Petra says:

      ..”Her part or otherwise in the Salmond affair remains hidden from sight.”..

      No worries Willie. Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond have both yet to have their say. I’ll wait for that rather than being influenced by a couple of people getting second or third hand information from someone else (if that’s the case). And if you want to run with conspiracy theories it could very well be that, the ”someone else” is conning (using) them. What I can’t get away with is that everyone is supportive of a highly intelligent man, Alex Salmond, who was seemingly duped big time by people he worked closely with and yet that’s not the case, for some, in relation to the woman, Nicola Sturgeon, who has been working closely with them too, as an example her CoS was previously Alex Salmond’s economic advisor. If there was something going on couldn’t it be the case that ”they” were (are) trying to get rid of two birds with one stone and a number of people in the independence movement are falling for it?

  18. Willie says:

    One last comment if I may opine.

    In your interview with Janes he says quite honestly that if at the other side of the election the SNP does not deliver on a referendum then the party is in trouble.

    I would put it a bit differently from that and say that if at the other side the party does not deliver then the country is in difficulty. Indeed, the country is in trouble just now if no one in government has noticed and that is why there is so much discontent about the one horse, and one horse only policy of a S30 referendum.

    Iain Lawson in his Yours For Scotland blog has set out a proposal whereby the election could be the mandate for independence. Ask for a S30 now, have it denied as Johnson says he will, and then use the election as the mandate.

    These are decisions, strategies that could have, should have been considered, implemented, and let us be quite clear Nicola Sturgeon and her coterie do not own the independence movement.

    As we exit Europe, as the UK Internal Market Bill serves to remove Scottish control over every aspect of our lives from farming to food production to the environment to worker protection, as an alternative Westminster civil service is set up in Scotland, as our Parliament itself is threatened, the time is now.

    Waking up some time in late 2021 to an SNP party in trouble is not how I see it, how I want it, and neither to so many others like me.

    The comment therefore James, and a honest comment at that, that the party could be in trouble the other side of an election, does I think crystallise why there is currently grave concern about policy and direction.

    So what do you think about Iain Lawson’s proposals? What does the Wee Ginger Dug think?

  19. Willie…..I don’t agree with you
    There is no evidence that Nicola Sturgeon supports these arrests , I can say for sure that Police Scotland and the COPFS can take these actions without the need for her support furthermore I’d say that even if she was absolutely against these arrests there is nothing she would do about them because the law has to be seen to be separate from government .

    You can rest assured that if Nicola Sturgeon started telling Police Scotland or COPFS what to do the BBC , Labour Lib Dem Conservative party all newspapers and many many others would be right in there screaming “ police state “

    NS is doing the correct thing staying out of it.

    The courts will do their job.

    As the arrests and charges of Scottish independence supporters pile up and the not guilty verdicts pile up so too the evidence that Police Scotland and COPFS are acting politically rather than legally piles up.
    Both know it
    We know it

    These actions against the names aforementioned , have a limited lifetime , what we are seeing is those involved at the top of police Scotland and COPFS who have a leaning in their political views allowing those political views to hinder their professional decision making which is supposed to be non political.

    It won’t last

    The courts can’t make the same moves and claim coincidence because coincidence is an important element of legal determination too much of it and the final conclusion changes

    • John Muir says:

      Agreed. There’s several huge bear traps laid out around the Scottish Government. One of them is daring to interfere against the prosecutions of prominent Yessers. Touch that one and lose your hand!
      For what it’s worth, I remember very clearly chatting with folk during the Edinburgh 2018 march, wondering aloud how AUOB had solved the problem of the refusal of Holyrood park’s denied permission to end our massive demonstration there. The answer? AUOB lied to us and said everything was hunky dorey, when it absolutely was not, as we found out later. Manni got away with it that time, but you try your luck enough and you’ll fall sure in the end.
      I also reckon Craig Murray is his own worst enemy. He should have taken that jigsaw ID dressed as Yes Minister parody down the moment the polis tapped his shoulder. Keep saying no enough times, and you’ll be doing so from inside the clink.
      Yes, the law should be fair. Why no prosecutions for the professional journalists who have published identifying information? That’s a far better question than why is Craig Murray looking at a vacation in the slammer. He broke the law, but so did they!

  20. Golfnut says:

    This is a disturbing read.


    The Care home inspectors report/s were damming, but they walked away with nearly a million pounds in the buy out, while at the same same time the private sector get oodles of time on air to criticise the SG.

    • Bob Lamont says:

      Indeed the Care Inspectorate findings were shocking, there was a transcript on John Robertson’s site in comments.
      However 900k might wrankle, it solves the immediate problem for the residents, NHS Highland and the Inspectorate, before this pandemic is over many such buyouts will be done as the private sector tries to divest themselves.
      Litigation is a very real possibility, and though Kilgour and Poison Pennington’s relentless efforts to pass the buck to SG are being faciltated by Propaganda Quay, nobody is being fooled.

  21. Hamish100 says:

    I see Henry McLeish ex FM is now touting for a referendum with multi-option questions.

    Yip federalism is back on his list. We await a bbc programme touting this.

    Labour leader flip,flops again. Can’t say Scotland should govern itself like any other nation.

    The reality is federalism means that nuclear weapons would remain in Scotland because England wishes to be seen as “Great”.

    It is also the case that Scots will continue to die in foreign countries such as being dragged into wars such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Federalism means this too.

    Even the EU can not force you to war.

    McLeish and his ilk do not understand Scotland.

    • Capella says:

      Federalism is a dead parrot. It is deceased and joined the choir invisibule. We had all this from Federal Broon. England will never agree to split up into semi-autonomous cantons.

      But it is a clever ploy to divert the movement towards independence down a blind alley whence we arrive back at the beginning. Here.

      • Eilidh says:

        Federalism seems to work well in Germany and to an extent in USA. However for it to work in Scotland/Uk Westminster would need to divest a lot of its powers to English regions as well Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland and there is no way that is going to happen. Look how much trouble English Public Health authorities have had getting data re local Covid cases from Uk govt.or their contracters.Scotland needs Independence and we need it as soon as possible.

        • Julia Gibb says:

          Federal Germany is a million miles from ANYTHING ever suggested for Scotland.

          If for 300 years they had dragged wealth and population into Bavaria and constantly referred to the country as Bavaria it would be quite different.

    • Willie says:

      The restoration of the Scottish Parliament was the settled will of the Scottish people and it is quite unbelievable that someone like Henry MacLeish fails to recognise that.

      But of course he comes from the sewer that is Labour, who stand for nothing and are but a slime patch on the political landscape, who at the next election are forecast to secure a miserly 14% vote.

      Indeed something like over sixty percent of the small remaining band of electors who support Labour now saying that they would accept independence this indicates how out utterly out of touch Labour now are from mainstream popular opinion.

      Taken as a percentage of a percentage this puts Labour’s electoral base of supporters who support the union at around 6%.

      • Hamish100 says:

        Tend to agree-( see I can)
        If you are anti illegal wars and against nuclear weapons you cannot agree with Federalism.

        Sad so many labour supporters supported nuclear weapons and illegal wars. The new U.K. labour leader supports all.

    • grizebard says:

      Back in 2014, the Unionists were offered an opportunity to formally include a concrete proposal for enhanced devolution, and arrogantly turned the offer down, preferring instead to have to offer sweet FA. As panic began to set in, what we got instead was the vacuous last-minute agreement-breaking “Vow”. This latest federalism / “third option” ploy is nothing more than a weaponised Vow Mk.2, an insincere and cynical poison pill intended to save their sorry lying necks.

      We have a precedent now, and we should insist upon it. Stay with an untrustworthy UK or go it alone for ourselves, there is no other deliverable option.

  22. Republicofscotland says:

    Dodgy £20 pounds notes with the spelling of the word pound as pooned have been doing the rounds in Cornwall, typically locals have poked fun at Scots by claiming that the dodgy notes might be Scots money.

  23. Republicofscotland says:

    Colonel Ruth (Rape clause) Davidson raging at the BBC for calling a spade a spade.


    • Julia Gibb says:

      A good time for #baroness I think

    • grizebard says:

      Baroness Boughtup objecting to being called “baroness” (which she soon will be), eh? Nicola’s parliamentary barbs about democratic accountability surely beginning to tell. Maybe though she should be equally concerned that her new-found fealty to BoJo would appear to have been bought by the promise of an ermine robe.

      There’s a parcel of rogues still, no?

      • Julia Gibb says:

        Baroness Blah-Blah
        Playground rule 1. Never let it be known you don’t like your nickname.

        It will now be widely used.

        • Welsh Sion says:

          Maybe she doesn’t like being associated with the wicked and scheming Baroness Elsa Schraeder of ‘The Sound of Music’.

          Well, Ruth. I’ve got news for you – you fill the role perfectly. No matter what plotting you pursued, you failed to woo both Captain von Trapp and his children. I believe you lost to the heroine in that film, too.


  24. JSM says:

    Reblogged this on Ramblings of a now 60+ Female and commented:
    Great podcast, Paul. Just a pity to read the divide and conquer comments which had nothing to do with what was discussed.

  25. Alex Clark says:

    So federalism is rearing its head again, I see. No real surprise, and it like a last gasp attempt at keeping the Union intact. Before 2014 they argued strongly to keep the option of federalism off the ballot paper and insisted on a question with just two answers Yes or No.

    I don’t think Alex Salmond was serious about having a third option for the people to choose from, I suspect it was a tactic that he could give up in return for other concessions. This time around this could be turned on its head with the UK government insisting that “Full Fiscal Autonomy” or some other piece of garbage made up by Cummings must be on the ballot paper.

    This I’d hope will be ignored by the Scottish government, the precedent has been set and a second referendum has to be the same question with a simple answer of Yes or No. Scotland in Union for a while now have been pushing for Remain or Leave, all just games. We can ignore them. the referendum will be held on our terms.

    It’s our referendum and this time we will deliver the right answer by saying YES!

    • Dr Jim says:

      Michael Russell was really clear on this when he told a Holyrood committee *You can’t have multiple polls over a period of years asking the question YES or NO to Independence then attempt to change that question to something else by referring it to the electoral commission on the grounds of electoral scrutiny of a tried and tested existing question which they themselves approved, it’s a nonsense”

  26. Dr Jim says:

    Rupert Lobotomy interim Labour branch manager in Scotland claims young people in Scotland are losing their Independence because of the SNP

    I’ll say no more except he wasn’t wearing funny clothes make up and great big yellow shoes when he said that

  27. Dr Jim says:

    It’s amazing the lengths Unionist Trolls go to in the hope of criticising anything they can think of but this morning I just burst out laughing

    The FM posted a picture of a wee pot of tomatoes she’s having some success in growing and the Unionists are now politicising tomatoes

    When you thought you couldn’t make it up, it actually happens

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